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  • Cleanses and moisturises your hands within an instant
  • Calming lavender scent
  • Made in the UK
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Newbold15/03/2020 17:30

True - but this isn't soap so it's useless against Coronavirus.


This is BS. It doesn't matter what soap or handwash you use, they are ALL equally effective against Coronavirus. The most important thing people need to do is wash their hands properly (20 secs recommended and decent technique) - doesn't matter what soap or handwash you use.
Likesadeal2015/03/2020 18:12

If ur going to get it, your going to get it! Let's face it! Nothing is …If ur going to get it, your going to get it! Let's face it! Nothing is going to stop it however much hand cleaning and covering ya hands in antibacterial hand sanitizer.


This is not true, alot of people won't get it with decent precautions. Washing your hands properly will massively reduce the speed/spread of the virus, reduce the most vulnerable getting it and will reduce the number of people needing hospital treatment at any one time which will save millions of lives - preventing hospitals being overloaded is key to saving lives. Hospitals have very limited ability to deal with critical care patients.
tempt15/03/2020 15:31

Hope they don't deliver after it's all over.


Why? Are you one of those who didn't have washing hands part of standard daily routine?
pink_n_fluffy334415/03/2020 15:59

These aren't antibacterial?


It cleans ya hands that's what soap does, antibacterial or not its not gonna get rid of corona virus! Soap is soap!
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Hope they don't deliver after it's all over.
Soap from China, ironic that!
Pretty standard price.
compadre15/03/2020 15:36

Soap from China, ironic that!


Would be more ironic if it said made in China but actually came from a lab in the US
These aren't antibacterial?
pink_n_fluffy334415/03/2020 15:59

These aren't antibacterial?


It cleans ya hands that's what soap does, antibacterial or not its not gonna get rid of corona virus! Soap is soap!
Q: Is this anti-bacterial?

A: No, it is not. Find the anti-bacterial Baylis and Harding hand soap from the same sellers …
pinacolada12315/03/2020 16:10

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It's not just about corona though, I just prefer to use ones that get rid of bacteria
donny126615/03/2020 15:46

Would be more ironic if it said made in China but actually came from a lab …Would be more ironic if it said made in China but actually came from a lab in the US


You mean like the virus?
tempt15/03/2020 15:31

Hope they don't deliver after it's all over.


Why? Are you one of those who didn't have washing hands part of standard daily routine?
Excellent thank you for posting. Despite the ignorance on here about the importance of hand cleaning.
Great find, just ordered 300😄
Likesadeal2015/03/2020 16:07

It cleans ya hands that's what soap does, antibacterial or not its not …It cleans ya hands that's what soap does, antibacterial or not its not gonna get rid of corona virus! Soap is soap!


True - but this isn't soap so it's useless against Coronavirus.
Newbold15/03/2020 17:30

True - but this isn't soap so it's useless against Coronavirus.


If ur going to get it, your going to get it! Let's face it! Nothing is going to stop it however much hand cleaning and covering ya hands in antibacterial hand sanitizer.
Newbold15/03/2020 17:30

True - but this isn't soap so it's useless against Coronavirus.


This is BS. It doesn't matter what soap or handwash you use, they are ALL equally effective against Coronavirus. The most important thing people need to do is wash their hands properly (20 secs recommended and decent technique) - doesn't matter what soap or handwash you use.
Likesadeal2015/03/2020 18:12

If ur going to get it, your going to get it! Let's face it! Nothing is …If ur going to get it, your going to get it! Let's face it! Nothing is going to stop it however much hand cleaning and covering ya hands in antibacterial hand sanitizer.


This is not true, alot of people won't get it with decent precautions. Washing your hands properly will massively reduce the speed/spread of the virus, reduce the most vulnerable getting it and will reduce the number of people needing hospital treatment at any one time which will save millions of lives - preventing hospitals being overloaded is key to saving lives. Hospitals have very limited ability to deal with critical care patients.
Master_Yoda15/03/2020 18:15

This is BS. It doesn't matter what soap or handwash you use, they are ALL …This is BS. It doesn't matter what soap or handwash you use, they are ALL equally effective against Coronavirus. The most important thing people need to do is wash their hands properly (20 secs recommended and decent technique) - doesn't matter what soap or handwash you use.


ALL the government advice refers specifically to soap. Not to handwashes that aren't liquid soap. Your evidence?
Newbold15/03/2020 18:30

ALL the government advice refers specifically to soap. Not to handwashes …ALL the government advice refers specifically to soap. Not to handwashes that aren't liquid soap. Your evidence?


This is liquid soap. It's just not anti-bacterial. Being anti-bacterial makes no difference when washing your hands with Coronavirus. Plenty about this online.
Newbold15/03/2020 18:30

ALL the government advice refers specifically to soap. Not to handwashes …ALL the government advice refers specifically to soap. Not to handwashes that aren't liquid soap. Your evidence?


What's the ingredient that's in soap and not in handwash that kills covid?.
Master_Yoda15/03/2020 18:37

This is liquid soap. It's just not anti-bacterial. Being anti-bacterial …This is liquid soap. It's just not anti-bacterial. Being anti-bacterial makes no difference when washing your hands with Coronavirus. Plenty about this online.


Nothing to do with antibacterial. That's irrelevant with a virus. But if this is soap, please find that word on the packaging or their website. Soap is always described as such. Non-soap products can't be.
Found this to be interesting, as it seemed to simplistic to trot out the 'wash your hands' mantra, surely that's not all... turns out it's how soap works and breaks down the outer shell of the virus cell... who knew (well, experts I guess...)

theguardian.com/com…HrA

Not having a debate, just thought this was interesting...
shady15/03/2020 18:55

Found this to be interesting, as it seemed to simplistic to trot out the …Found this to be interesting, as it seemed to simplistic to trot out the 'wash your hands' mantra, surely that's not all... turns out it's how soap works and breaks down the outer shell of the virus cell... who knew (well, experts I guess...)https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/12/science-soap-kills-coronavirus-alcohol-based-disinfectants?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR3Rf3B_FKtUfI-nqAVYM10-F9q1FjFoxqTg1TkTJfz4HIqxB-8v34QyHrANot having a debate, just thought this was interesting...


This is nothing new and is basic knowledge - I've known this for over 20 years. I was taught this at Med School.
ScubaDudes15/03/2020 18:38

What's the ingredient that's in soap and not in handwash that kills covid?.



Newbold15/03/2020 18:52

Nothing to do with antibacterial. That's irrelevant with a virus. But if …Nothing to do with antibacterial. That's irrelevant with a virus. But if this is soap, please find that word on the packaging or their website. Soap is always described as such. Non-soap products can't be.


I like these two comments. You've hit the nail on the head. I've usually found bar soap to me more satisfying than liquid soap. Liquid soap usually leaves my hand with that "just moisturised" feeling. I understand that Dove intends this, but Coronavirus has a fatty outer layer. This means that if your hands feel dry, you can be sure the virus has been washed off. If they feel greasy/moisturised, then there is a chance the virus is still there (if it was on there).

You can only be sure what type of soap this is if you've used it. Personally, I will stick to non-dove bar soap.
MadeDixonsCry15/03/2020 19:17

I like these two comments. You've hit the nail on the head. I've usually …I like these two comments. You've hit the nail on the head. I've usually found bar soap to me more satisfying than liquid soap. Liquid soap usually leaves my hand with that "just moisturised" feeling. I understand that Dove intends this, but Coronavirus has a fatty outer layer. This means that if your hands feel dry, you can be sure the virus has been washed off. If they feel greasy/moisturised, then there is a chance the virus is still there (if it was on there).You can only be sure what type of soap this is if you've used it. Personally, I will stick to non-dove bar soap.


The fatty lipid layer in your skin protects you from all kinds of things and you don't want to be removing it... Removing this layer is not a good thing and will lead to dermatitis and infections. Alcohol hand gels destroy bacteria and viruses this way, but with handwash and water you are washing the virus off - it's a totally different mechanism of action - you are using a lubricant to remove it.
Newbold15/03/2020 17:30

True - but this isn't soap so it's useless against Coronavirus.


Dangerously stupid advice.
Master_Yoda15/03/2020 19:35

The fatty lipid layer in your skin protects you from all kinds of things …The fatty lipid layer in your skin protects you from all kinds of things and you don't want to be removing it... Removing this layer is not a good thing and will lead to dermatitis and infections. Alcohol hand gels destroy bacteria and viruses this way, but with handwash and water you are washing the virus off - it's a totally different mechanism of action - you are using a lubricant to remove it.


Soap (sodium palmitate, stearate or lauryl sulphate), being amphipatic, disrupts the glycolipid capsule of coronaviruses, killing them not just removing them.

Handwashes commonly tend to have sodium lauryl sulphate as the 'soap' component, hence do not need to be 'antibacterial' to kill coronaviruses. In fact, bactericidal agents such as triclosan (the most common 'antibacterial' additive in handwashes designated as such), do nothing to viruses.

marketwatch.com/sto…-08
Edited by: "hcc27" 15th Mar
hcc2715/03/2020 19:45

Soap (sodium palmitate or stearate), being amphipatic, disrupts the …Soap (sodium palmitate or stearate), being amphipatic, disrupts the glycolipid capsule of coronaviruses, killing them not just removing them.


It will also disrupt and remove the same lipids in your skin cells... (...) allowing pathogens to enter your skin and infect you etc. One of the main causes of dermatitis in hands is washing up liquid and people not using rubber gloves when washing their dishes as washing up liquid removes the lipids from your skin in exactly this way.

Using alcohol rubs /gels is not ideal and is not as good as just washing your hands. You should only use them when you don't have access to soap and water. You don't need to instantly destroy the virus if you've already removed it from your skin and washed it down a sink...
Edited by: "Master_Yoda" 15th Mar
tempt15/03/2020 15:31

Hope they don't deliver after it's all over.


People like you make me not want to shake hands regardless of the Coronavirus.
Master_Yoda15/03/2020 19:03

This is nothing new and is basic knowledge - I've known this for over 20 …This is nothing new and is basic knowledge - I've known this for over 20 years. I was taught this at Med School.


...we didn't all go to Med School though, and thought it would be interesting to share in this discussion which seemed to be going dangerously off track. Oddly enough, since I posted this, all the talk has been about lipids and capsules and stuff - so why didn't anyone speak up earlier... if it's that obvious...
Minstadave15/03/2020 19:40

Dangerously stupid advice.


More dangerous than thinking something's effective against a virus when it's not? Read every government announcement - soap. No references at all to handwashes.
hcc2715/03/2020 19:45

Soap (sodium palmitate or stearate), being amphipatic, disrupts the …Soap (sodium palmitate or stearate), being amphipatic, disrupts the glycolipid capsule of coronaviruses, killing them not just removing them.


A few stearates in this product's ingredients:

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Case closed?
MadeDixonsCry15/03/2020 20:12

A few stearates in this product's ingredients:[Image] Case closed?


Nope. Mainly water and salt, no stearates - just distearates, which aren't the same thing. This is not soap. If it were it would be called soap.

Aqua (Water), Sodium Chloride, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycerin, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, Parfum (Fragrance), Glycol Distearate, PEG-150 Distearate, Laureth-4, Benzophenone-4, Linalool, Tetrasodium Glutamate Diacetate, Citric Acid, Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Hydroxide, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Hexylene Glycol, CI 17200 (Red 33), CI 42090 (Blue 1)
Newbold15/03/2020 20:31

Nope. Mainly water and salt, no stearates - just distearates, which …Nope. Mainly water and salt, no stearates - just distearates, which aren't the same thing. This is not soap. If it were it would be called soap.Aqua (Water), Sodium Chloride, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycerin, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, Parfum (Fragrance), Glycol Distearate, PEG-150 Distearate, Laureth-4, Benzophenone-4, Linalool, Tetrasodium Glutamate Diacetate, Citric Acid, Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Hydroxide, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Hexylene Glycol, CI 17200 (Red 33), CI 42090 (Blue 1)



Sodium Laureth Sulfate is a detergent, it is both antiviral and antibacterial. It has proven efficacy against CoV, I can't get a link on my phone to work but there is an interim guideline for environmental decontamination that mentions it.

Another publication regarding antiviral efficacy:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/p…62/

I'm going to blow your mind - you won't find one bar of soap in a hospital.
Edited by: "Minstadave" 15th Mar
Sorry but I'm starting to find the daily HUKD soap opera fairly boring.

Oooooh - this won't kill Covid 19, oh yes it will, oh no it won't blah blah blah blah blah.

Any chance of giving it a rest?
Newbold15/03/2020 20:31

Nope. Mainly water and salt, no stearates - just distearates, which …Nope. Mainly water and salt, no stearates - just distearates, which aren't the same thing. This is not soap. If it were it would be called soap.Aqua (Water), Sodium Chloride, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycerin, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, Parfum (Fragrance), Glycol Distearate, PEG-150 Distearate, Laureth-4, Benzophenone-4, Linalool, Tetrasodium Glutamate Diacetate, Citric Acid, Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Hydroxide, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Hexylene Glycol, CI 17200 (Red 33), CI 42090 (Blue 1)


If your gripe is with it not being called soap, I would like like to point out that on that very label it is called soap in the other three languages.
Newbold15/03/2020 20:01

More dangerous than thinking something's effective against a virus when …More dangerous than thinking something's effective against a virus when it's not? Read every government announcement - soap. No references at all to handwashes.


'Soap' generally refers to sodium lauryl suphate (SLS), sodium palmitate or sodium stearate -these are amphipathic molecules with both a hydrophilic and hydrophobic part, which disrupt viral glycoprotein membranes and are 100% effective at killing enveloped viruses such as coronaviruses. Almost all cheap handwashes contain one of these components, just read the label - this particular handwash contains SLS and will therefore kill coronavirusus.

Only those handwashes clearly designated 'organic' handwashes, which contain ingredients such as manuka or lemon tree, do not usually contain SLS or other soap ingredients. While they may be gentle to your skin, they may not kill coronaviruses.
Minstadave15/03/2020 19:40

Dangerously stupid advice.


Indeed, this is the issue with any and all permitted to comment on these forums on matters of science they have no clue about!! See my comment or the many others below on the ingredients of 'soap'. Unfortunately some people associate 'soap' only with bars of soap used in the prehistoric past!!
Doods187515/03/2020 20:52

Sorry but I'm starting to find the daily HUKD soap opera fairly boring. …Sorry but I'm starting to find the daily HUKD soap opera fairly boring. Oooooh - this won't kill Covid 19, oh yes it will, oh no it won't blah blah blah blah blah.Any chance of giving it a rest?


This is true. Its very boring now.
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