Bianchi 2017 Via Nirone 7 105 Mens Road Bike £749 @ Start Fitness
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Bianchi 2017 Via Nirone 7 105 Mens Road Bike £749 @ Start Fitness

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Great bike and good specs for the price.
Would’ve snapped that up if it was in green - heat
Alloy frame for £800. Not great value. But it is Bianchi, so can't argue with that.

Still a bit funny to read the description, Alloy frame designed for riding long distances. Surely that's what carbon achieves with much less sophistication.
Can't do discount and finance....
At £800 you are much better off getting a high quality alloy frame than a cheap carbon frame.
basergorkobal1 h, 33 m ago

Alloy frame for £800. Not great value. But it is Bianchi, so can't argue …Alloy frame for £800. Not great value. But it is Bianchi, so can't argue with that.Still a bit funny to read the description, Alloy frame designed for riding long distances. Surely that's what carbon achieves with much less sophistication.

callumwaddell3 h, 51 m ago

At £800 you are much better off getting a high quality alloy frame than a …At £800 you are much better off getting a high quality alloy frame than a cheap carbon frame.


Why is that? There's nothing wrong with cheap carbon these days. It will be a little lighter than alloy and the ride quality and stiffness should be noticeably better.
For a couple hundred more you can get quality carbon if you shop aroind off season.
Frames aren't easy or cheap to upgrade so spending over £800 on a bike like this is a false economy in my opinion.
basergorkobal1 h, 11 m ago

Why is that? There's nothing wrong with cheap carbon these days. It will …Why is that? There's nothing wrong with cheap carbon these days. It will be a little lighter than alloy and the ride quality and stiffness should be noticeably better.For a couple hundred more you can get quality carbon if you shop aroind off season. Frames aren't easy or cheap to upgrade so spending over £800 on a bike like this is a false economy in my opinion.


Go buy a ribble r872 and wait for it to crack, or a PX which creaks all over...
Good price for this particular bike, although not a fan of the contoured top tube, especially on a AL bike.
Aquacadabra1 h, 54 m ago

Go buy a ribble r872 and wait for it to crack, or a PX which creaks all …Go buy a ribble r872 and wait for it to crack, or a PX which creaks all over...


Alloy bends on impact, carbon cracks.
It's a road bike not a dirt jump bike. If you crash badly either material will damage. Unless you plan on riding on a linked/bent frame makes no difference. Carbon generally has better impact resistance than alloy. Cheap carbon may compromise on weight but not strength. Otherwise it wouldn't be available for sale in the UK!
basergorkobal2 h, 21 m ago

Alloy bends on impact, carbon cracks.It's a road bike not a dirt jump …Alloy bends on impact, carbon cracks.It's a road bike not a dirt jump bike. If you crash badly either material will damage. Unless you plan on riding on a linked/bent frame makes no difference. Carbon generally has better impact resistance than alloy. Cheap carbon may compromise on weight but not strength. Otherwise it wouldn't be available for sale in the UK!


You've clearly not ridden many miles.
basergorkobal2 h, 26 m ago

Alloy bends on impact, carbon cracks.It's a road bike not a dirt jump …Alloy bends on impact, carbon cracks.It's a road bike not a dirt jump bike. If you crash badly either material will damage. Unless you plan on riding on a linked/bent frame makes no difference. Carbon generally has better impact resistance than alloy. Cheap carbon may compromise on weight but not strength. Otherwise it wouldn't be available for sale in the UK!


This article does better justice than I could in the comparision of cheap carbon to a good alloy:
bikeradar.com/roa…54/
Bertz998 h, 29 m ago

This article does better justice than I could in the comparision of cheap …This article does better justice than I could in the comparision of cheap carbon to a good alloy:https://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/carbon-vs-alloy-bike-51454/


Thanks for the link. Matt is making a good point there. However this is his opinion based on his experience. Which I appreciate is extensive.
Mine is different because my experience is different.
Having ridden a couple of alloy bikes I switched to cheap branded carbon. And couldn't be happier. The bike is stiffer yet more compliant whilst being marginally lighter.
Aquacadabra8 h, 35 m ago

You've clearly not ridden many miles.


Whereas you clearly don't know how to make a constructive argument in a discussion.
basergorkobal1 h, 46 m ago

Thanks for the link. Matt is making a good point there. However this is …Thanks for the link. Matt is making a good point there. However this is his opinion based on his experience. Which I appreciate is extensive.Mine is different because my experience is different.Having ridden a couple of alloy bikes I switched to cheap branded carbon. And couldn't be happier. The bike is stiffer yet more compliant whilst being marginally lighter.


I read his point being that of the design and engineering behind the frame to be the most important aspect regardless of material.

Of course to tell if you like or not really requires getting on it and seeing if you like.
Bertz993 h, 2 m ago

I read his point being that of the design and engineering behind the frame …I read his point being that of the design and engineering behind the frame to be the most important aspect regardless of material.Of course to tell if you like or not really requires getting on it and seeing if you like.


That certainly is true.
I think alloy frames are as good as they're going to be with decades of Innovation and improvement that have gone into them. They are certainly cheaper to manufacture. And if you look at Giant Defy range from a couple of seasons ago they use the same frame in a budget Claris equipped bike and one sporting 105 groupset.
Carbon is a harder material to work with and getting the best out of it will require more effort. But although the the engineering effort going into the cheaper frames does not maximise the potential of the material it still does a decent enough job. It's all helped by the good inherent properties of carbon.
And as brilliantly stiff and compliant the Defy is, I still felt my carbon Boardman was an improvement.

One scenario where I would go for alloy over carbon is disc specific bikes.
basergorkobal17th Feb

Alloy frame for £800. Not great value. But it is Bianchi, so can't argue …Alloy frame for £800. Not great value. But it is Bianchi, so can't argue with that.Still a bit funny to read the description, Alloy frame designed for riding long distances. Surely that's what carbon achieves with much less sophistication.


You have to consider the value overall because its just a brand slap on a chinese bike. The chinese manufacturer is fuji-ta which is fantastic quality but the same quality manufacturing is available on many brands. Fuji-ta are the largest bicycle manufacturer in the world of complete bicycles and also have a huge OEM frame business which supplies frames to many smaller companies in China, the far east, US and around Europe for assembly of bikes. If you watch the video you will see Bianchi is clearly stated. The factory door price for many frames can be as low as $10 with I guess something like $20 being the average and more premium frames going up to $30-40 the Bianchi frame looks pretty generic but good so I'd probably put it in the $20 plus catagory. Remember fuji-ta make whole road bikes that can sell for little more than £100 on the chinese market under the Battle brand. Same alloy frames but lower end components.

fuji-ta.com/roa…kes

I couldn't find road bikes listed on a chinese region online shop (only had a very quick search) but its not hard to extrapolate from prices here for other types of battle bike.

translate.google.com/tra…c=0

Just making the point judge by the what you are actually getting for your money and not the brand stuck on which can be meaningless nowadays. Nowadays at least at lower pricing bikes are getting pretty generic with many different brands stuck on basically the same manufacturer's frame and at different price points. If you peeled off the bianchi branding and resprayed the frame people probably wouldn't have a clue what bike brand it originally was. It's not worth paying hundreds of pounds more just to get the right sticker on the frame.


No doubt the cheaper alloy or carbon offerings will come from the same factory.
I'd like to believe at least some of the frames are built to a design that originated within the company owning the brand rather than be off the shelf OEM products. But no doubt for smaller brands even that aspect can be outsourced fully.
basergorkobal10 h, 36 m ago

No doubt the cheaper alloy or carbon offerings will come from the same …No doubt the cheaper alloy or carbon offerings will come from the same factory.I'd like to believe at least some of the frames are built to a design that originated within the company owning the brand rather than be off the shelf OEM products. But no doubt for smaller brands even that aspect can be outsourced fully.


From what I understand fuji-ta will do rapid prototyping of frames for their customers but its all extra money which adds to the importers costs. To me most seem to go with generic proven fuji-ta designs which are offered for less money and likely more reliable. However its in the interests of such importers to claim they are manufactured to their design etc to add to the perceived value of the bike. The current market seems to be only high end models get the design innovation which helps market the brand and then the bulk of bike sales that bring in the real profits are generic chinese bikes at lower price points. I'm sure that doesn't fit the profile of all companies but it certainly seems true of most. Nothing wrong with them of course but then if you are just choosing an importer and the brand doesn't really make much difference its really about value, warranty etc. It's when people aspire to a top end model of a certain brand but make do with a lower end model of the same brand, they are connected in the consumer's mind but have in fact no real connection at all in reality.
Aquacadabra17th Feb

Go buy a ribble r872 and wait for it to crack, or a PX which creaks all …Go buy a ribble r872 and wait for it to crack, or a PX which creaks all over...


I have a carbon PX frame and it doesn't creak at all, even the BB30 cranks (does this make me unique in the world?). Also have a carbon MTB and have no issues there either, albeit it's a more expensive brand.

There's as much brand snobbery between cyclists as there is animosity between cyclists and non-cyclists on these forums
Price actually £749 on the website
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mattte6 m ago

Price actually £749 on the website



Thanks, I've updated the price!
Back to £799 ,
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