Billion 8800NL wireless VDSL2/ADSL Router £55.56 @ WildArc
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Billion 8800NL wireless VDSL2/ADSL Router £55.56 @ WildArc

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Found 15th May 2015Made hot 16th May 2015
The BiPAC 8800NL is an all-in-one high performance small footprint sleek VDSL2/ADSL2+ broadband router with high-speed 802.11n wireless technology. It supports all UK networks regardless of connection type, working with ADSL2+, VDSL2 (FTTC), Fibre and Cable technology making it an ideal device for customers with BT Infinity, Sky Fibre, TalkTalk, Virgin Media, Plusnet etc. Users can enjoy ADSL2+ and VDSL2 services and broadband multimedia applications such as interactive gaming, video streaming and real-time audio much easier and faster than ever before with the renowned Broadcom chipset.

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I have sky fibre would I just swap boxes, is this faster and better than a current black sky fibre box

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Not sure what a sky fibre box is but I'd guess it's a re-badged BT home hub' I'm on BT infinity and had BT's home hub but the performance was dire' dropouts in connection and poor wireless signals throughout the house' gave up with the home hub and bought this model router and never looked back' solid connections always and no dropouts in connection, this is superior to any ISP provided router in mine and many other opinions

Amazon reviews here

amazon.co.uk/dp/…7T4

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srp111

I have sky fibre would I just swap boxes, is this faster and better than … I have sky fibre would I just swap boxes, is this faster and better than a current black sky fibre box



All you need is your broadband username and password this will ensure swapping over the box is hassle free

Paid £66 for mine. Hot.

Bipac has fans but, aside from Bipac, after a lot of reading, I found very few products out there with both ADSL modem AND positive community feedback.

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wide

Paid £66 for mine. Hot.Bipac has fans but, aside from Bipac, after a lot … Paid £66 for mine. Hot.Bipac has fans but, aside from Bipac, after a lot of reading, I found very few products out there with both ADSL modem AND positive community feedback.



So your saying all the other VDSL/ADSL ready combined routers don't have the same feedback ( quality ) as the billion ??

Does it work well with apple equipments (airport time capsule or airport stream)?

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nefe

Does it work well with apple equipments (airport time capsule or airport … Does it work well with apple equipments (airport time capsule or airport stream)?



The question is why wouldn't it ?

Just got a Flubit Offer for £50.39 over 2 weeks ago supplied by ebuyer
Excellent for plusnet

dparr59

Just got a Flubit Offer for £50.39 over 2 weeks ago supplied by … Just got a Flubit Offer for £50.39 over 2 weeks ago supplied by ebuyerExcellent for plusnet



That is a good price. It's still cheaper 62.99 on eBuyer now.

If you have sky you'd need to use various programs available on the net to access your existing router at startup to reveal your username and password before you could use this, also you'd need to check that this supports MER which is the protocol sky uses, I think it does but am not 100% certain

Got this from Wildarc a few weeks ago. Had som issues with the delivery but did manage to get it sorted in the end. I would certainly use them again.

As for the router, replaced my HH5 with this. I don't use the wireless because I already have Airport devices for wireless, just have them in bridge mode. This router is the best I've ever owned, rock solid, great features.... it just works.

Great piece of kit but a shame that they stepped backward from the previous (non VDSL) model with respect to the port speeds.
Hot nonetheless.

Backward that they take off 3 gigabit ports

I had a Billion ADSL2+ router previously, I had tried 5 others before the Billion solved all my problems.

pennyfarthing88

CommentAll you need is your broadband username and password this will … CommentAll you need is your broadband username and password this will ensure swapping over the box is hassle free



Which is not n00b friendly if you have a Sky Router SR102, you need to use Wireshark to packet sniff to extract the username / password

parsimony

Great piece of kit but a shame that they stepped backward from the … Great piece of kit but a shame that they stepped backward from the previous (non VDSL) model with respect to the port speeds.Hot nonetheless.



dontasciime

Backward that they take off 3 gigabit ports

It's not fair to compare this to the 7800DXL - it's half the price. If you look at the 8800ALX it's about the same price (£120) and it has 4 gigabit LAN ports and AC WiFi.

I had a top-of-the-range Netgear modem / router, but very slow broadband (long line). I started reading up on improving this and one of the suggestions was this modem - I use my old router as an AC access point (because it's fast) and I was already using a gigabit switch so it made sense for me to get this (instead of the 7800DXL or the 8800ALX version) and have £60 in my pocket.

Theres a full review here - increasebroadbandspeed.co.uk/bil…0NL - but I would say that while this is a fantastic product, if you aren't or don't want to be a bit geeky - it's not for you.

parsimony

Great piece of kit but a shame that they stepped backward from the … Great piece of kit but a shame that they stepped backward from the previous (non VDSL) model with respect to the port speeds.Hot nonetheless.

dontasciime

Backward that they take off 3 gigabit ports



Tbf I was comparing it to my 7800n.

dontasciime

Backward that they take off 3 gigabit ports



You're comparing this cheapo Billion router to the expensive 7800.
The 7800 still costs around £100.

A bit stupid really.

dontasciime

Tbf I was comparing it to my 7800n.




Yes which purchased new costs £100-ish.
I just sold mine the other day second hand for £45.

Totally different products.

robo989

Yes which purchased new costs £100-ish.I just sold mine the other day … Yes which purchased new costs £100-ish.I just sold mine the other day second hand for £45.Totally different products.



Lol

It's backwards in the sense of it's a much newer model and should be standard by now it's down to cost yes [past] but they are having a laugh the tech has come down to a price now where it should not matter.


E.g so it's clear it's a backward step for me to buy the 8800n when I have a 7800n


Edited by: "dontasciime" 16th May 2015

For VDSL (which is the only reason you'd get an 8xxx Billion over a 7xxx) this router is a waste of time.
You can't modify the SNR target ration on VDSL, there's no gigabit LAN ports.

My Sky fibre been rock solid 80/20 past 4 weeks since install.

Only crap thing with the Sky fibre router is the wireless range which is atrocious and only single band.
If your motives lie there then this is still a waste of time, it's only 2.4Ghz...

Cough up for the AXL.

dontasciime

LolIt's backwards in the sense of it's a much newer model and should be … LolIt's backwards in the sense of it's a much newer model and should be standard by now it's down to cost yes [past] but they are having a laugh the tech has come down to a price now where it should not matter.E.g so it's clear it's a backward step for me to buy the 8800n when I have a 7800n




I agree with you, the price of the 7800N is scandalous considering it's age, at least new from retail. I know there's the odd person knocking them out cheap on ebay mind.

This 8800NL is a turkey cash in and not equal to 7800N as you know, and obviously intended to rip off unsuspecting buyers.
Edited by: "robo989" 16th May 2015

If I bought the 8800nl I would have to change one of my GS108s for a 116

Charging me £4.95 for delivery?

Doesn't show that in thread title?

dontasciime

LolIt's backwards in the sense of it's a much newer model and should be … LolIt's backwards in the sense of it's a much newer model and should be standard by now it's down to cost yes [past] but they are having a laugh the tech has come down to a price now where it should not matter.E.g so it's clear it's a backward step for me to buy the 8800n when I have a 7800n

I seem to remember the reasons for only 1 gigabit LAN was actualy to reduce power usage - it'd be nice if it had 4 but as I mentioned there are a whole bunch of use cases where it doesn't matter (i.e. when using it as a modem only).

robo989

For VDSL (which is the only reason you'd get an 8xxx Billion over a 7xxx) … For VDSL (which is the only reason you'd get an 8xxx Billion over a 7xxx) this router is a waste of time.You can't modify the SNR target ration on VDSL, there's no gigabit LAN ports.My Sky fibre been rock solid 80/20 past 4 weeks since install.Only crap thing with the Sky fibre router is the wireless range which is atrocious and only single band.If your motives lie there then this is still a waste of time, it's only 2.4Ghz...Cough up for the AXL.


The 8800NL is £60, new. The 7xxx's, aren't. Thats a good enough reason for me to buy one over it...

robo989

For VDSL (which is the only reason you'd get an 8xxx Billion over a 7xxx) … For VDSL (which is the only reason you'd get an 8xxx Billion over a 7xxx) this router is a waste of time.You can't modify the SNR target ration on VDSL, there's no gigabit LAN ports.My Sky fibre been rock solid 80/20 past 4 weeks since install.Only crap thing with the Sky fibre router is the wireless range which is atrocious and only single band.If your motives lie there then this is still a waste of time, it's only 2.4Ghz...Cough up for the AXL.



It's pretty hard to get hold of the AXL for some reason.

The 8800nl is perfect for those people who already have great wifi AP's and gigabit switches. It for people that ideally want to be able to configure their router to do what they want and not what Sky/BT feel you should do. Also, gets around BT's truly abysmal DNS servers and the restrictions they put on you, without the need to set up DNS on every client.

Oh, include in things like QoS and a plethora of extra DDNS services.
Edited by: "youngrobbo" 16th May 2015

Upgraded to this from the plus.net fibre router/open reach modem. Works brilliantly, much better then the ones your given. Hot.

Jakg

I seem to remember the reasons for only 1 gigabit LAN was actualy to … I seem to remember the reasons for only 1 gigabit LAN was actualy to reduce power usage - it'd be nice if it had 4 but as I mentioned there are a whole bunch of use cases where it doesn't matter (i.e. when using it as a modem only).The 8800NL is £60, new. The 7xxx's, aren't. Thats a good enough reason for me to buy one over it...



Well that's all fine but most people buy something based on it's value. The 8800NL is an inferior product to a 7800N, obviously if you're on fibre a 7800N isn't going to be much use but for adsl2+ an 8800NL is a false economy.

People advising on it simply don't know what they're talking about and are simply vouching for it based on their experince of the 7800N.

It's a different product

youngrobbo

The 8800nl is perfect for those people who already have great wifi AP's … The 8800nl is perfect for those people who already have great wifi AP's and gigabit switches. It for people that ideally want to be able to configure their router to do what they want and not what Sky/BT feel you should do. Also, gets around BT's truly abysmal DNS servers and the restrictions they put on you, without the need to set up DNS on every client. Oh, include in things like QoS and a plethora of extra DDNS services.



If you're on the 80/20 service you get a static IP from sky....though it would be nice to see the line stats, you can do that anyway by software hacking the bt modem, though the sky gives as much info as Natalie Bennett explaining a policy.

robo989

if you're on fibre a 7800N isn't going to be much use



I'm using a 7800N with fibre and prefer it over my 8800NL.

Neel

I'm using a 7800N with fibre and prefer it over my 8800NL.



In what aspect do you prefer it?

Edited by: "dontasciime" 16th May 2015

dontasciime

In what aspect do you prefer it?



Stronger wi-fi, more gigabit LAN ports and solid performance. The 8800NL has big ping spikes when using wireless. Apparently the beta firmware fixes that and a few other things. It might be unrelated but I've been hit by DLM when my line dropped several times using the 8800NL so went back to the 7800N, which has been just as good as when I was on ADSL.

I like the 8800NL. It's a good all rounder but at the moment I have no reason to go use to it but It's nice to have as backup.





Neel

8800NL:My Broadband Ping7800N:My Broadband Ping



http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/04/bt-openreach-briefs-uk-fttc-fibre-broadband-isps-on-g-inp-issues.html

Possibly

dontasciime

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/04/bt-openreach-briefs-uk-fttc-fibre-broadband-isps-on-g-inp-issues.htmlPossibly



It could be that but my line wasn't G.INP enabled until the end of March and I was having issues a couple of months before that.

I will at some point use the 8800 again but not until the latest firmware is out of beta.

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srp111

I have sky fibre would I just swap boxes, is this faster and better than … I have sky fibre would I just swap boxes, is this faster and better than a current black sky fibre box


Yes. Much improved.

Neel

It could be that but my line wasn't G.INP enabled until the end of March … It could be that but my line wasn't G.INP enabled until the end of March and I was having issues a couple of months before that.I will at some point use the 8800 again but not until the latest firmware is out of beta.



Yeah, well you know the dates so probably not that then.

Neel

I'm using a 7800N with fibre and prefer it over my 8800NL.



I'd have prolly done the same thing but Sky don't give you a modem
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