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Billion Bipac 7800N Dual WAN ADSL2+/Broadband Wireless-N Gigabit Firewall Modem Router £95 @ Amazon Cleverboxes
One of the best routers on the market and price continues to drop. Went hot at £101.48 just 3 days ago. This is a marketplace deal, but it's just 97p more to buy from Amazon.
My one concern is on their forums now they have the 7800DXL out, this has been left to rot, the forum use to be used well, now you dont see any support help in there, and questions go unanswered...
completely different story in the 7800dxl forum, I am not saying they dont support it in terms of failures, but general help seemd to of fallen off a cliff
Not sure if this helps
community.bt.com/t5/…405
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Compared to the BT HH3 (and most other of the "free" ADSL routers) this would give you - better ADSL stability & data rates (especially if you are on a long wire), better WiFi range/throughput, better WiFi stability, Gigabit ports, lot's of software functionality/configurability, upgradeability to Cable/Fibre, detacheable antennas, better security and probably a few other things too.
By all accounts the BT HH3 is not especially good - especially the WiFi range. It's possibly still one of the better "free" routers but only really the best of a bad breed. People who want stability, performance and flexibility (i.e. more control over their particular networking requirements) typically upgrade a couple of levels to the high end offerings from Billion, Asus and TP-Link.
The only thing I don't like about this model is that it doesn't have any USB - i.e. no print or media server support - and the WiFi is only single band. The 7800DXL adds all that but it's a lot more expensive and the antennas are not detacheable (which is a big deal for me as I want to remotely mount an antenna to increase the range around a big house).
FWIW the TP-Link TP-W8980 (which does everything this Billion does plus a bit more) is now available at <£70 so you are paying a big premium for the Billions. But the Billions are generally regarded as best of breed and the extra £30-£60 may be worth spending if you have a lot of network traffic or want the best performance, security and stability.
Regardless of what you actually need this is a great price for an excellent product. Gets some heat from me!
BT talk ****.
but billion are a good brand and the support for cable / adsl future proofs it for anyone.
heat from me
youtube sky router password and they have tutorials to get the user detials from your router,
involves downloading a wifi sniffer application and finding code , quite easy to do
but it does clash with the T&C of sky. so u wont get support in the future...
(or just plug in sky router and call when u have an issue)
Oh... Thanks Zero. Will try youtube now. Not so worry about the support as you rightly mention, I'm just going to plug in their modem when I call them Just thought of getting one modem and router with dualband all in one.
Cheers...
Head over to skyuser fibre section, all the help you need on getting the user name/password. I'm using an asus n66u with sky.
Really? Will try that too... Cheers...
It is not dual band (it only operates at 2.4ghz) - it is dual WAN (it has adsl modem and ethernet wan ports).
It cannot run two separate wifi networks (eg one trusted, one public)
It has no USB port
Lack of 5GHz band, lack of 3rd party firmware (like dd-wrt or OpenWRT). way overpriced.
It's posible to have way better router without ADSL modem AND ADSL modem for less than 50 quid!!!
You will get support, Sky don't care. Confirmed a week or two ago when I called about being unhappy about my line speed and they said they could tell there wasn't a sky router on the line, said sky routers are rubbish and the guy laughed and said don't worry so many users do this now that Sky just accept it and the person still called out a BT engineer (which is a big thing as it costs Sky big bucks if engineer doesn't find fault).
For example?
Not to mention loads of advanced config options.
That's not the routers fault, that's the fault of the ISP (BT), in some areas especially with ADSL1 at least as you will be on, the line train speed is defined at the server side so even if you are training at 8mbit, it won't actually be trained at that speed at the ISP end, hence your problem.
Defo not the router.
this bit of kit will allow you to tweak your SNR to achieve faster sync speeds. Your prob suffering from a unstable line and BT will manage your line profile to give you a reliable connection at the expense of speed.
Well recommended.
I'm not too sure Lala, does anyone know? As i'm in 2 minds either to get this or SUPERHUB 2
Then I would consider the heat factor
Openreach bill whether an issue is found or not, they will just claim it was an 'enhancement' for broadband use and the line was meeting SIN349
Due to distance from the exchange my speed with the (new) Sky router was 1.8Mbps - with the Billion I get 2.5Mbps - a ~30% increase and I can now watch stuff on iPlayer without buffering.
On the subject of 3rd party firmware - probably the reason there aren't any is that the firmware on this is so feature packed there's no point.
Well regardless, point being Sky didn't see me not using their router as an issue for being willing to callout BT. But I appreciate the extra trivia general knowledge I can add to my mind box.
The big co's take such a long time to catch up with reality.
I waited a long time before actually upgrading hoping to see the price come down on these and never seen it dip below £115 so this is a good deal.
Tempted but just been given a replacement router by my ISP, so will probably just wait another while.... nice deal though.
ROFL
Name one with DualWAN less than 50 quid.