Bmw 420d Gran coupe msport - £2159.89 Deposit and £239.99 pm for 24 months. 5k Annual mileage (Total = £7919.65) @ Select Car Leasing
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Bmw 420d Gran coupe msport - £2159.89 Deposit and £239.99 pm for 24 months. 5k Annual mileage (Total = £7919.65) @ Select Car Leasing

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Found 23rd Sep 2017
Sensible lease offer for a nice car, you can change mileage and contract term on their website depending your needs
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mittromney34 m ago

Always the same joke whether it's BMW or Audi. Well I drive a Peugeot and …Always the same joke whether it's BMW or Audi. Well I drive a Peugeot and don't use my indicators either.



But that's because they don't work...
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Always the same joke whether it's BMW or Audi.

Well I drive a Peugeot and don't use my indicators either.
There's a better deal with Select, 3+23 at 10k miles per annum for £8294.

extra £375 for 5000 miles and you only need to stump up 3 months initial.
mittromney10 m ago

There's a better deal with Select, 3+23 at 10k miles per annum for …There's a better deal with Select, 3+23 at 10k miles per annum for £8294. extra £375 for 5000 miles and you only need to stump up 3 months initial.


Looks good ..post
mittromney34 m ago

Always the same joke whether it's BMW or Audi. Well I drive a Peugeot and …Always the same joke whether it's BMW or Audi. Well I drive a Peugeot and don't use my indicators either.



But that's because they don't work...
Saw this 2 weeks ago. So tempted to go for it.
mittromney39 m ago

Always the same joke whether it's BMW or Audi. Well I drive a Peugeot and …Always the same joke whether it's BMW or Audi. Well I drive a Peugeot and don't use my indicators either.



It's you , thought it was.
I’m not against lease deals but paying that much money for a brilliant car is not worth it if you’re only allowed to average less than 100 miles a week. You’re paying good money to spend most of your time looking at it.
I'll only charge you £4000 for two years to stand and look at my car. It's almost as much as 5000 miles per year.
Mileage allowance is some kind of joke?

You can drive 19.3 mile per day if you drive 5 days in a week...
Admast791 m ago

Mileage allowance is some kind of joke?You can drive 19.3 mile per day if …Mileage allowance is some kind of joke?You can drive 19.3 mile per day if you drive 5 days in a week...


Even more of a joke when its a diesel. Hello DPF issues. Pointless
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Paying £8294 over three years for a car like this is excellent. Better than loosing about half of the car’s list price after 3 years ownership
Very poor deal: BMW Berry Heathrow offering the same car with 8k miles for £472.48 or £19.69/net/mth less:

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dont.mack.me.off33 m ago

Even more of a joke when its a diesel. Hello DPF issues. Pointless


You don't own the car - not your problem.
Absolutely ridiculous annual mileage some people cover that in a few months
m5rcc30 m ago

You don't own the car - not your problem.


It often is though isn't it? Many won't cover the DPF under warranty, and even if they do, it'll only be once...
bestbuy1234 m ago

Absolutely ridiculous annual mileage some people cover that in a few months



This limit would last me just over 2...!
bilbob2 m ago

It often is though isn't it? Many won't cover the DPF under warranty, and …It often is though isn't it? Many won't cover the DPF under warranty, and even if they do, it'll only be once...


I have always advocated not to own any diesel unless you do 20,000 miles a year or more and/or need a very big vehicle such as a pick-up or a van and/or need to tow something.
m5rcc3 m ago

I have always advocated not to own any diesel unless you do 20,000 miles a …I have always advocated not to own any diesel unless you do 20,000 miles a year or more and/or need a very big vehicle such as a pick-up or a van and/or need to tow something.



I agree, but that's not the point is it? A DPF failure likely WILL be a chargeable repair...
bilbob11 m ago

I agree, but that's not the point is it? A DPF failure likely WILL be a …I agree, but that's not the point is it? A DPF failure likely WILL be a chargeable repair...


Of course, but equally, DPFs fail.

Generally you can expect an EGR to last 50-100k miles; an AdBlue heater to last 50k miles, a DPF to last 80-100k (before filling up with ash), turbo to last 100-150k miles depending on how much you idle it before switching it off. Let's not even get into timing chain failures on BMW M47 and Mercedes-Benz 2.1 diesels.

That's why you should not own a modern diesel car - the maintenance cost of them is astronomical, unless you are one of those that fit in the earlier criteria.
m5rcc2 m ago

Of course, but equally, DPFs fail.Generally you can expect an EGR to last …Of course, but equally, DPFs fail.Generally you can expect an EGR to last 50-100k miles; an AdBlue heater to last 50k miles, a DPF to last 80-100k (before filling up with ash), turbo to last 100-150k miles depending on how much you idle it before switching it off. Let's not even get into timing chain failures on BMW M47 and Mercedes-Benz 2.1 diesels.That's why you should not own a modern diesel car - the maintenance cost of them is astronomical, unless you are one of those that fit in the earlier criteria.



Again, I don't disagree, but again, that's not the point! You said that a dpf failure wouldn't be the buyers concern on a brand new leased car.
I'm saying it more than likely WOULD.
m5rcc16 m ago

Of course, but equally, DPFs fail.Generally you can expect an EGR to last …Of course, but equally, DPFs fail.Generally you can expect an EGR to last 50-100k miles; an AdBlue heater to last 50k miles, a DPF to last 80-100k (before filling up with ash), turbo to last 100-150k miles depending on how much you idle it before switching it off. Let's not even get into timing chain failures on BMW M47 and Mercedes-Benz 2.1 diesels.That's why you should not own a modern diesel car - the maintenance cost of them is astronomical, unless you are one of those that fit in the earlier criteria.



I know these figures are generalisations, but I sold my last Mondeo with 150k on it, with no EGR, turbo or DPF faults. And my current one has just turned 100k with the same record.
bilbob35 s ago

I know these figures are generalisations, but I sold my last Mondeo with …I know these figures are generalisations, but I sold my last Mondeo with 150k on it, with no EGR, turbo or DPF faults. And my current one has just turned 100k with the same record.


Congratulations...
bilbob15 m ago

Again, I don't disagree, but again, that's not the point! You said that a …Again, I don't disagree, but again, that's not the point! You said that a dpf failure wouldn't be the buyers concern on a brand new leased car. I'm saying it more than likely WOULD.


As long as they use it correctly, it wouldn't be. In the long-term, they wouldn't need to replace the DPF as they wouldn't own the car for long enough. That is my point that you are missing.
Ali.Balamir1 h, 39 m ago

Paying £8294 over three years for a car like this is excellent. Better …Paying £8294 over three years for a car like this is excellent. Better than loosing about half of the car’s list price after 3 years ownership


Except it's over 2 years this lease. Anyone buying a 420d M Sport with discount and putting 10k on it isn't going to "loose" [SIC] half of its value.
Wow... got out of the wrong side of the bed or something??
Let's got through the path shall we?
You responded to a comment that DPF issues were inevitable on such a low mileage allowance on a diesel car, with this:
m5rcc1 h, 34 m ago

You don't own the car - not your problem.


And I pointed out that it likely WILL be a problem, because many will NOT recognise a DPF issue as in warranty, especially on a low mileage car. This is *very* common.
And yet you seemed to want to carry on the argument by changing your point, so followed up with this:
m5rcc28 m ago

As long as they use it correctly, it wouldn't be. In the long-term, they …As long as they use it correctly, it wouldn't be. In the long-term, they wouldn't need to replace the DPF as they wouldn't own the car for long enough. That is my point that you are missing.


I'm not missing a point, you didn't make it. You answered initially in the present tense. If it fails during your stewardship, then you likely will be liable for the DPF fault, that was my point. Now you seem to want to change your point by referring to the past tense.
At worst, you were wrong and trying to CYA, at best you failed to make your point, because you didn't make clear your point in the slightest.
And it doesn't matter if they use it correctly, does it? You are obviously very interested in cars, as I've seen you comment repeatedly on such posts, so you should know full well the difficulty in challenging dealers when it comes to DPF faults. Same as clutches, they just blame the way you drive, and it's extremely difficult to counter that. It usually goes down to goodwill.
bilbob22 m ago

Wow... got out of the wrong side of the bed or something??Let's got …Wow... got out of the wrong side of the bed or something??Let's got through the path shall we?You responded to a comment that DPF issues were inevitable on such a low mileage allowance on a diesel car, with this:And I pointed out that it likely WILL be a problem, because many will NOT recognise a DPF issue as in warranty, especially on a low mileage car. This is *very* common.And yet you seemed to want to carry on the argument by changing your point, so followed up with this:I'm not missing a point, you didn't make it. You answered initially in the present tense. If it fails during your stewardship, then you likely will be liable for the DPF fault, that was my point. Now you seem to want to change your point by referring to the past tense. At worst, you were wrong and trying to CYA, at best you failed to make your point, because you didn't make clear your point in the slightest.And it doesn't matter if they use it correctly, does it? You are obviously very interested in cars, as I've seen you comment repeatedly on such posts, so you should know full well the difficulty in challenging dealers when it comes to DPF faults. Same as clutches, they just blame the way you drive, and it's extremely difficult to counter that. It usually goes down to goodwill.


I got out of the wrong side of bed? No - don't think so. You are trying to argue (and failing) that the problems (and solutions) I have mentioned earlier are not valid.

I suggest you take a breath or go for a walk, reflect, then come back when you've cooled down.
bilbob25 m ago

Same as clutches, they just blame the way you drive, and it's extremely …Same as clutches, they just blame the way you drive, and it's extremely difficult to counter that. It usually goes down to goodwill.


Unless of course they have known problem, such as Ford.
bilbob1 h, 15 m ago

Wow... got out of the wrong side of the bed or something??Let's got …Wow... got out of the wrong side of the bed or something??Let's got through the path shall we?You responded to a comment that DPF issues were inevitable on such a low mileage allowance on a diesel car, with this:And I pointed out that it likely WILL be a problem, because many will NOT recognise a DPF issue as in warranty, especially on a low mileage car. This is *very* common.And yet you seemed to want to carry on the argument by changing your point, so followed up with this:I'm not missing a point, you didn't make it. You answered initially in the present tense. If it fails during your stewardship, then you likely will be liable for the DPF fault, that was my point. Now you seem to want to change your point by referring to the past tense. At worst, you were wrong and trying to CYA, at best you failed to make your point, because you didn't make clear your point in the slightest.And it doesn't matter if they use it correctly, does it? You are obviously very interested in cars, as I've seen you comment repeatedly on such posts, so you should know full well the difficulty in challenging dealers when it comes to DPF faults. Same as clutches, they just blame the way you drive, and it's extremely difficult to counter that. It usually goes down to goodwill.

Your wrong. You will not be liable for a dpf fault within warranty period and its extremely unlikely to knacker it in that time anyway
m5rcc1 h, 5 m ago

I got out of the wrong side of bed? No - don't think so. You are trying to …I got out of the wrong side of bed? No - don't think so. You are trying to argue (and failing) that the problems (and solutions) I have mentioned earlier are not valid.I suggest you take a breath or go for a walk, reflect, then come back when you've cooled down.



What a well constructed argument you have there.
I've got better things to do with my time, I made my point.
bilbob4 m ago

What a well constructed argument you have there.I've got better things to …What a well constructed argument you have there.I've got better things to do with my time, I made my point.


Goodbye!
123batman32117 m ago

Your wrong. You will not be liable for a dpf fault within warranty period …Your wrong. You will not be liable for a dpf fault within warranty period and its extremely unlikely to knacker it in that time anyway



I'm afraid that blanket statement is simply not true... a simple web search will provide evidence to the contrary.
In fact, i'll save you the bother, because I know you'll come back with an unsubstantiated argument to the opposite...
fleetnews.co.uk/new…44/
From that link, a BMW spokesman said: "“There may be other factors that have an impact on the car’s performance and these would be taken into consideration. It would not be sufficient for any issue to be covered by BMW without question,” he explained."
Also from there, a Vauxhall spokebod said:"Vauxhall confirmed it “does not pay under warranty” for DPF blockages because there is no defect with the vehicle."
Another link:
honestjohn.co.uk/faq…rs/
From there, a VW spokesbod said:
"The Warranty department has confirmed that if there is no fault on the vehicle and DPF regeneration has been unsuccessful due to the customers driving style and the
customers failure to comply with the instructions in the handbook, DPF replacement will not be paid for by warranty."
As I said, pretty every manufacturer will dispute a DPF warranty claim. And *many* fail under warranty if not maintained correctly.

And with that, I CBA anymore, I'll eave you all to argue otherwise.



bilbob1 m ago

And with that, I CBA anymore, I'll eave you all to argue otherwise.


Your exit didn't last long. You are still on here trying to argue with people. Some may say you are a troll.
m5rcc1 h, 12 m ago

Your exit didn't last long. You are still on here trying to argue with …Your exit didn't last long. You are still on here trying to argue with people. Some may say you are a troll.



lol...
Trolls aren't really known for constructing arguments and backing them up with evidence.
Trolls generally move their argument when needed, and fail to provide any proof of their points.
Edited by: "bilbob" 23rd Sep 2017
bilbob11 m ago

lol...Trolls aren't really known for constructing arguments and backing …lol...Trolls aren't really known for constructing arguments and backing them up with evidence. Trolls generally move their argument when needed, and fail to provide any proof of their points.



I was under the impression that you could have a reasonable debate, but I forget where I am sometimes.
Some people are not interested in 'debate' merely in making a point. When you feel ready, go back and look at your original comment that started this. It simply didn't stand up and that's what I argued. If you feel that making a point and backing it up with evidence and quotes, (something you have failed to do on multiple occasions) then by all means call me a troll.
When I was called wrong, I replied, and again, backed it up with evidence.
You REALLY think this makes me a troll?
I remember now why I had you muted once before. You are back on mute, go ahead and rant and argue all you like.
I've made my points, and I've provided evidence. If you wish to call me out or contradict, then do it with facts.

Not just 'wot I reckon'.

This thread didn't deserve such a diversion and I apologise for being part of it.
bilbob43 m ago

lol...Trolls aren't really known for constructing arguments and backing …lol...Trolls aren't really known for constructing arguments and backing them up with evidence. Trolls generally move their argument when needed, and fail to provide any proof of their points.


Another poster on here said to me "that sometimes you can not tell anything to someone who knows everything" and whilst this is true this following link seems to fit the issue being repeatedly demostrated:


mayoclinic.org/dis…568
m5rcc4 h, 36 m ago

I have always advocated not to own any diesel unless you do 20,000 miles a …I have always advocated not to own any diesel unless you do 20,000 miles a year or more and/or need a very big vehicle such as a pick-up or a van and/or need to tow something.


Give it a rest - its getting boring now
m5rcc4 h, 25 m ago

Of course, but equally, DPFs fail.Generally you can expect an EGR to last …Of course, but equally, DPFs fail.Generally you can expect an EGR to last 50-100k miles; an AdBlue heater to last 50k miles, a DPF to last 80-100k (before filling up with ash), turbo to last 100-150k miles depending on how much you idle it before switching it off. Let's not even get into timing chain failures on BMW M47 and Mercedes-Benz 2.1 diesels.That's why you should not own a modern diesel car - the maintenance cost of them is astronomical, unless you are one of those that fit in the earlier criteria.


You need to tell that to my last 5 cars that made it to 100k-150k and never suffered from a DPF failure.
Coil packs however - when they fail they can take the ECU along with them. That will cost well over what a DPF does.
bilbob4 h, 21 m ago

I know these figures are generalisations, but I sold my last Mondeo with …I know these figures are generalisations, but I sold my last Mondeo with 150k on it, with no EGR, turbo or DPF faults. And my current one has just turned 100k with the same record.


I can back you up with that - exactly the same here. Diesels have been much more reliable than petrols in my experience.
M5rcc tries to paint a doomsday style picture with Diesels saying they are guaranteed to fail after 50k. Nor does he accept that Diesels and Petrols share very much the same technology except a few minor details. Finally, it has been proven that new gen petrols are WORSE for the environment than an old diesel but he wont accept this either.
Edited by: "118luke" 23rd Sep 2017
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