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bold Smart Door Lock, Model SX-33 - £154.99 delivered @ Costco (membership required)
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bold Smart Door Lock, Model SX-33 - £154.99 delivered @ Costco (membership required)

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bold Smart Door Lock, Model SX-33 - £154.99 delivered @ Costco (membership required)
Posted 12th Sep 2020
Seen in this week's email seems decent price.
Membership required to get this price. Online only is £15 per year

Features-
Battery Life: 2 years and/or 20,000 activations

- Certification: SKG 3 Star rating & EN15684

- Activation distance: 5M

- Types access schedule: Permanent, weekly, temporary push notification

- Encryption: AES128 End-to-End

- Works with iOS and Android
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Top comments
jonnylive12/09/2020 12:18

Burglars (through the letter box): “Hey Alexa unlock the front door”. Ale …Burglars (through the letter box): “Hey Alexa unlock the front door”. Alexa: “ sure no problem” Burglars: (chuckling) thanks


Burglars: “Hey Alexa unlock the front door”

Alexa: “I can't find Door on your Unlock playlist”

Burglars: “Hey Alexa unlock door, front”

Alexa: “The French word for Door is Porte"

Burglars: “Hey Alexa set front door to unlocked”

Alexa: “Alarm set for four O'Clock"
The Lock Picking Lawyer would probably bypass this in under 10 seconds with a bread knife
Laughs in hacker
I feel sorry for the person who buys this
Edited by: "DryUrEyesMate" 12th Sep
42 Comments
Heat just for the invention :-)
So when police have a warrant to arrest you they can come into your home silently
Laughs in hacker
membership required, Cold!
MadeDixonsCry12/09/2020 10:12

So when police have a warrant to arrest you they can come into your home …So when police have a warrant to arrest you they can come into your home silently


Trust me this would stump the police. They'd just end up levering the door open.
What happens when it runs out of batteries?
Thyme12/09/2020 10:21

What happens when it runs out of batteries?


Knock on the door or climb in through the window
I feel sorry for the person who buys this
Edited by: "DryUrEyesMate" 12th Sep
All the electronics are on the outside of the door, including access to the battery and the reset switch...

I'm sure they've done some basic sanity checks for security but that seems like a fundamentally flawed design.
Although this seems very expensive it truly looks like a wonderful idea I’m sure they will tweak any imperfections and make any improvements Like everything it will certainly come down in price BUT I for one have yet to See a betterment of the RING DOORBELL
The Lock Picking Lawyer would probably bypass this in under 10 seconds with a bread knife
fulyue12/09/2020 10:49

The Lock Picking Lawyer would probably bypass this in under 10 seconds …The Lock Picking Lawyer would probably bypass this in under 10 seconds with a bread knife


the bread you mean
fulyue12/09/2020 10:49

The Lock Picking Lawyer would probably bypass this in under 10 seconds …The Lock Picking Lawyer would probably bypass this in under 10 seconds with a bread knife


I'd beat that, It's called a brick through window!
Thyme12/09/2020 10:21

What happens when it runs out of batteries?


Well they state that you can use the back up method of turning the outside knob as you would a safe. But if the batteries are completely dead then I am having my doubts this would work. As I have only one entrance to my place I am concerned if it went faulty I'd be paying more than the cost to have a locksmith drill it out.

I looked at this on the costco website earlier this week and decided against it, I prefer to have a key back up for a smart lock myself, although other people's requirements might be different.

The back up method of entering (say a code set through the app of 12345) means turning the outside knob 5 times left, then four times right, three times left, and so on. My message to the manufacturer about a completely dead battery and what you could do, received no reply.
nanuek12/09/2020 10:25

All the electronics are on the outside of the door, including access to …All the electronics are on the outside of the door, including access to the battery and the reset switch...I'm sure they've done some basic sanity checks for security but that seems like a fundamentally flawed design.


Looks like I was wrong and the bulk of the electronics are on the inside. Still think it's going to make your house less secure for very little gain.
Thyme12/09/2020 10:21

What happens when it runs out of batteries?


the electronics are only on the outside, it is operated from the inside manually. if you miss / ignore the low battery warnings, then you will have to enter your property through another door and make changing the batteries in the front door a bit more of a priority
Would you need to inform your house insurer about this?
u66454112/09/2020 11:16

Would you need to inform your house insurer about this?


The police will inform them when they write up the reports.
Having watched LockPickingLawyer et al disable these sorts of things in seconds by various methods, i have no faith what so ever in them (not come across this particular brand as yet i must say). That said having watched LPL pick even the hardest euro cylinder locks in moments i have no faith in any lock anymore so *shrugs*
u66454112/09/2020 11:16

Would you need to inform your house insurer about this?


Yes, as I doubt it meets the BS 3621 standard.
HotBot12/09/2020 11:24

Yes, as I doubt it meets the BS 3621 standard.


But nobody knows about the BS 3621 standard, surely?
ozodimal12/09/2020 11:31

But nobody knows about the BS 3621 standard, surely?


Insurers do! They even mention it in some TV ads.
Burglars (through the letter box): “Hey Alexa unlock the front door”. Alexa: “ sure no problem” Burglars: (chuckling) thanks
Try this one ultion-lock.co.uk/ultion-smart/

And check out their normal door locks and keys. Especially the video
Edited by: "jonnylive" 12th Sep
UberPark12/09/2020 10:13

membership required, Cold!


You can’t make it cold because you don’t have a membership. That’s like saying the gym is rubbish because you need a membership
sdylan12/09/2020 12:53

You can’t make it cold because you don’t have a membership. That’s like say …You can’t make it cold because you don’t have a membership. That’s like saying the gym is rubbish because you need a membership


It potentially adds £15 to the cost. If posted a gym "deal" and didn't include the membership then I would vote it cold.
jonnylive12/09/2020 12:18

Burglars (through the letter box): “Hey Alexa unlock the front door”. Ale …Burglars (through the letter box): “Hey Alexa unlock the front door”. Alexa: “ sure no problem” Burglars: (chuckling) thanks


Burglars: “Hey Alexa unlock the front door”

Alexa: “I can't find Door on your Unlock playlist”

Burglars: “Hey Alexa unlock door, front”

Alexa: “The French word for Door is Porte"

Burglars: “Hey Alexa set front door to unlocked”

Alexa: “Alarm set for four O'Clock"
ozodimal12/09/2020 11:31

But nobody knows about the BS 3621 standard, surely?


Says on your lock (if it meets the standard)
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Edited by: "u664541" 12th Sep
jonnylive12/09/2020 12:21

Try this one ultion-lock.co.uk/ultion-smart/And check out their normal …Try this one ultion-lock.co.uk/ultion-smart/And check out their normal door locks and keys. Especially the video


I like this lock. Their locks are given poor reviews for lock lockers but burglars don’t generally pick locks they snap them, as recently happened with my daughter.

Hadn’t heard of them before but will probably order this.

Oh and Alexa won’t open this lock unless you also include a pre set PIN number with your instruction. I hate Siri so am hardly likely to ever buy that Amazon listening device.
I have a smart lock. Trust me it's much more secure than a traditional key and keyhole system.

People always go on about hacking them.
But in reality, that's rubbish.
Whereby many many people can manipulate a traditional lock to get in.
Phlop012/09/2020 15:21

I have a smart lock. Trust me it's much more secure than a traditional key …I have a smart lock. Trust me it's much more secure than a traditional key and keyhole system. People always go on about hacking them. But in reality, that's rubbish. Whereby many many people can manipulate a traditional lock to get in.


Relatively few people have smart locks so there is not much value working out how to compromise them.

One issue with IoT security devices is that any attack vector is likely to scale incredibly easily. If you can compromise one device you can probably compromise all similar devices.
If this device works and offers some security it's probably fine - If a burglar can easily bump, snap or jiggle your door lock open (surprisingly simple as so many locks are terrible design) they might throw a brick through the window. Having had this happen in broad daylight, with a neighbour hearing the smash and seeing men pulling out the glass with big gloves on, the neighbour assumed it was a double glazing man working on the window! - just go for something as good as possible but expect a smashed windows or kicked in door if they really want to get in.

Just don't have £6 euro locks like you get from Screwfix or ebay... they are so easy to overcome with very little skill or tools. I picked my own in a very short time (first time I've ever tried lock picking) and snapping the lock requires nothing more than mole grips and a screwdriver and takes about 5 seconds.

The weakness of many electronic locks is that a small strong magnet can often overcome the internal lock.
Edited by: "spannerzone" 12th Sep
Gone very cold Just have to go back to a Hungry Rottweiler Or ask the wife back to house sit when I am away Either way
Working in IT the main thing I know about these kind of things is.. to just steer well clear of them.

Very few people know how to design stuff securely.
xciv12/09/2020 18:17

Working in IT the main thing I know about these kind of things is.. to …Working in IT the main thing I know about these kind of things is.. to just steer well clear of them. Very few people know how to design stuff securely.


You are missing the point. So many people can snap or bump locks, a lot can pick them. There's courses and videos all over the net.
Duplicating keys is also an easy job.

Tell me of when you heard of one smart lock get compromised in the real world.

Comparatively they are for more secure than the archaic lock and key.

That's not to mention the issues with snapped or lost keys.

For some reason lots of people go straight to the issues of "hacking" or batteries dying
Phlop012/09/2020 19:33

Tell me of when you heard of one smart lock get compromised in the real …Tell me of when you heard of one smart lock get compromised in the real world.


Entire hotel chains have hackable smart locks.

Quicklock, iBlulock, Plantraco, Ceomate, Elecycle, Vians, Okidokey and Mesh Motion smartlocks are all hackable.


KwikSet locks can be unscrewed from the outside.

KeyWe Smart Lock can be hacked and can't be patched.

ZigBee protocol based locks have been hacked as can ZWave and Zipato hubs.

Tapplock padlocks (featured in Dragons' Den) can be hacked.

Not to mention smart locks getting bricked by firmware updates.

Most of them are also at least as vulnerable as cheap keyed locks to physical attacks.


It's a massively growing market so the "winners" are going to be those companies that can move fast and cut corners.

The incentive is to prioritise ease-of-use and installation, even if that runs counter to security considerations.

Ultimately, smart locks are designed by small teams of developers who likely have little or no security expertise and none of them publish their protocols or designs for peer review meaning they can make whatever security claims they like.

At some point we will have a robust protocols and standards around smart locks. When that happens I'll add my front door to the growing list of IoT devices in my house (which already includes my beer).
nanuek13/09/2020 09:49

Entire hotel chains have hackable smart locks.Quicklock, iBlulock, …Entire hotel chains have hackable smart locks.Quicklock, iBlulock, Plantraco, Ceomate, Elecycle, Vians, Okidokey and Mesh Motion smartlocks are all hackable. KwikSet locks can be unscrewed from the outside.KeyWe Smart Lock can be hacked and can't be patched.ZigBee protocol based locks have been hacked as can ZWave and Zipato hubs.Tapplock padlocks (featured in Dragons' Den) can be hacked.Not to mention smart locks getting bricked by firmware updates.Most of them are also at least as vulnerable as cheap keyed locks to physical attacks.It's a massively growing market so the "winners" are going to be those companies that can move fast and cut corners.The incentive is to prioritise ease-of-use and installation, even if that runs counter to security considerations.Ultimately, smart locks are designed by small teams of developers who likely have little or no security expertise and none of them publish their protocols or designs for peer review meaning they can make whatever security claims they like.At some point we will have a robust protocols and standards around smart locks. When that happens I'll add my front door to the growing list of IoT devices in my house (which already includes my beer).


I don't have any of them locks. You still haven't told me of one real world smart lock compromise. But we all know someone who's had issues with key and lock systems
Phlop013/09/2020 10:17

I don't have any of them locks. You still haven't told me of one real …I don't have any of them locks. You still haven't told me of one real world smart lock compromise. But we all know someone who's had issues with key and lock systems


Yeah, I regret getting involved with your false equivalence, sample size bias or anecdotal evidence so sorry for quoting you.
nanuek13/09/2020 15:52

Yeah, I regret getting involved with your false equivalence, sample size …Yeah, I regret getting involved with your false equivalence, sample size bias or anecdotal evidence so sorry for quoting you.


Using big words... Usually a sign you've lost the argument to he fair
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