Bowers & Wilkins P7 Headphones £247 at HiFiGear (Usually £329)
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Bowers & Wilkins P7 Headphones £247 at HiFiGear (Usually £329)

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Found 17th Jun 2014
B&W P7 headphones. These are the top of the range B&W headphone usually retailing at £329. It is fairly rare for B&W headphones to be reduced in price. They really are great headphones. What HiFi *****.

Re-certified (refurbished) so not brand new
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Great headphones, please note these are 're-certified' = refurbished, so is an OK price. Going on head-fi to read some reviews!

I will get 2 pairs.
1 for each ear.

Oh, you!

donaldduck2

I will get 2 pairs.1 for each ear.

Is the guarantee etc still the same with them

These are unbelievable. If you can afford them, best headphones on the market.

Cold. Not Beats by Dre...

Moto G is still better.
Sorry meant Beats.
Or maybe ATH-M50?

Hard to heat up something that expensive. But they do look good. But can a sealed can be worth that much?

Why do they normally cost as much as a PS4??

I previously bought the P5's then saw them on Amazon lightening deals for 1/2 what I originally paid.

Not going to make the same mistake again

These or my Samsung Galaxy S4 earphones?? Decisions, decisions.

theface

Cold. Not Beats by Dre...


Rofl I was waiting for that.

Headphones look beautiful but obviously the sound is something that can really only be experienced in person.

theface

Cold. Not Beats by Dre...



Why? Would they not go with your Bear Grylls fleece or your knife set by Jamie Oliver?

You can keep your beats by dre!

Not Bose, cold.

Also Sony > Onkyo.

Haven't heard them but plenty of the B&W speakers. So brand quality is amazing. Dre & Bose.. they have a bigger marketing budget than anything else.

But music is subjective, find somewhere with the models you want to hear in your budget. Buying blind off the internet's just silly as falling for advertising.

The type of music you enjoy may suit different equipment so take some along.

(however I love the style and tempted to make the jump lol)

I have P5 headphones, and they are a little awkward on the head and round the neck. They are superb though, and do look a cut above - Aston Martin DB7 to the Beats' Focus ST. Just don't get the cream ones as the sheep leather gets dirty quicker than a Ben Dover video on fast forward.

I have these and had the P5s previously. There is a much wider soundstage with the P7 and the bass goes much lower. One thing that might put you off them is their size, they are big, and their fit,they have a very tight clamp around your head to seal the sound in. But for overall sound quality they are excellent.

£247? You can get new ears with that money.
Edited by: "ohdearohdear" 17th Jun 2014

striker33

Not Bose, cold.Also Sony > Onkyo.



Hahaa. Quality.

Wish I had the dough for a set of these. Lovely set of cans.

Original Poster

Ok I'll go with the Beats / Bose comments as being ironic. Seriously B&W are the best headphones I've tested. Although I posted this, I'm still struggling since I own the P5s, and they're wonderful in they're own right. Can I justify another pair? The difference being that the the P7 are around ear rather than on ear. I've tried them them and they are fantastic. If in doubt they are usually available to test in Apple stores.

Tried these in the Apple Store - they're fab and look excellent too.

I personally have the in ear C5s which are great, so can't justify splashing out on a new set of headphones/earphones...hmm....

I wonder how much What hifi get for recommending a pair of overpriced headphones.

foes4you

I wonder how much What hifi get for recommending a pair of overpriced … I wonder how much What hifi get for recommending a pair of overpriced headphones.


Maybe £4-5k if they sold an advert next to the review?

how do these compare to the sennheiser 600s and the philips fidelio x1s?

foes4you

I wonder how much What hifi get for recommending a pair of overpriced … I wonder how much What hifi get for recommending a pair of overpriced headphones.



Sadly you could ask the same of any magazine or website that takes paid advertising.

Bought these a while ago from eBay for £280. Great headphones, and very portable. Head added.

foes4you

I wonder how much What hifi get for recommending a pair of overpriced … I wonder how much What hifi get for recommending a pair of overpriced headphones.



On the scale of hifi gear a sub-£400 pair of headphones is short change. Whathifi haven't even touched any of the £2k+ electrostatics out there and I can't imagine how much higher speakers go than the £18k ones they've already reviewed.

fax_me

how do these compare to the sennheiser 600s and the philips fidelio x1s?



I own the P7s and HD600s, one for home listening and one for portable use (I'll let you figure out which is which :P). The HD600s are so enduringly popular for a reason, in the right setup they scale ridiculously well and even sound phenomenal with modest amplification. They're open back so soundstage and separation have an advantage to begin with but they really deliver top class results in both aspects relative to other headphones in this product/price category. Extremely detailed and for the most part a pretty accurate listen.

The P7s remind me of the HD25s on steroids- they're a lively aggressive listen and my favourite portable headphones I've yet heard after either hearing or owning the vast majority of the premium on/over ear cans that have been popular as portable choices in the last couple of years. I expected to hate them as I think the P3s and P5s scale from being plain crap to grossly overrated, but I listened to them and was sold- the jump in fidelity is huge. They're relatively well proportioned, accurate/neutral would not be the right description but the bass succeeds in being big and impactful and the treble is bright and sparkly without ever being overpowering and the midrange remains prominent throughout. The treble in particular is what sold me on these- they have my favourite high end of any pair of headphones I've listened to yet, portable or otherwise. The NAD VISO HP50s win out on balance and sheer resolution but for critical listening I have my HD600s, for on the go I want fun, and the P7s deliver that in spades. Plus, they're absolutely gorgeous!

StealthNX

Bought these a while ago from eBay for £280. Great headphones, and very … Bought these a while ago from eBay for £280. Great headphones, and very portable. Head added.



Too much information! X)

ElGofre

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Thanks, that was helpful as you actually own two of the relevant products! What's the minimum (in terms of cost) thing to go for in terms of driving the 600s with my pc? I am very wary of hi fi snake-oil and don't buy into a lot of it but am aware that these headphones have high impedance. I am after neutral sound.


Edited by: "fax_me" 18th Jun 2014

artcheezzz

Probably best you tried. But they are definitely not a "best". That`s for … Probably best you tried. But they are definitely not a "best". That`s for sure. Simply closed cans can`t be best headphones, unless one of the best "fashionable" headphones...



All I'll say is get out and try. The drivers and sound clarification of the P7's is unlike anything I've ever heard. Bowers are immensely proud of these, and having tried some of the top headphones on the market I struggle to see better...

Hi I had the pleasure of trying a whole range of headphones some months ago and it is a subjective and personal choice great price for these headphones but for me the dr dre beats pro came out top

So to spend this sort of wedge on earphones youll be requiring something like 5k worth of stereo

ElGofre

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logohigh

So to spend this sort of wedge on earphones youll be requiring something … So to spend this sort of wedge on earphones youll be requiring something like 5k worth of stereo



In terms of minimum, they can be driven to loud volumes straight out of a PC's headphone jack, it's what I'm having to do at the moment while I wait for payday to replace my broken amp so while this is the lowest you can go it's certainly not going to make the most of them and any more powerful amp will deliver a much better sound. I would personally recommend spending about £200 on one of the popular entry level DAC/amp combos; The Fiio E17/E07K and E09K, the "Schiit Stack" of the Schiit Modi and Magni/Vali (Ekectromod are the approved UK retailer for Schiit products), or some flavour of the nwavguy ODAC and Objective2 amplifier (they're open source designs so you'll find them being sold by large companies like JDSLabs all the way through to dozens of eBay sellers with nought but a soldering iron in their garage!).

The Schiit and O2/ODAC are the higher fidelity options of the three, but the FiiO pairing is a lot more feature rich, most notably the E17/E07K are both dockable units that can be instantly removed and used as portable DAC/amps with other media players (if you happen to own an older 30pin iPod, buying a FiiO L7 adaptor will let you bypass the iPod internal amp and use the E17/E07K's more powerful internal one, for example). I've used the E17 for two years and the E09K/E17 pairing since I bought my HD600s last march, and they've been excellent, but after I broke the dock connector (completely my fault, FiiO's build quality is excellent) I'm playing to move to a Magni/Modi as I no longer need the portability of the E17 or the additional I/O of the E09K.

If you wanted to spend even less, I'd probably go for an der model of the Audioquest Dragonfly which is supposedly a very good pairing.



Incorrect, they're built for mobile sources.
Edited by: "ElGofre" 18th Jun 2014

I have both these & the P5s. The P7s are (IMHO) amazing headphones, even though they cost a lot. They are very detailed with loads of (proper) bass (unlike false, bloated bass of Beats etc.). They do clamp your head quite tightly, but that eases up. I recommend taking your portable sound device into an Apple Store and having a good listen, they are well worth it. (BTW, I've also had Sennheiser HD 380 Pro, HD 600 & Grado SR 80, as well as lots of in-ears & consider the P7 the best)
Heat added!

So these modern headphones actually produce a better sound than the source

indeed it doesnt matter what the source is ??

theface

Cold. Not Beats by Dre...



Are you trolling or just plain stupid?

logohigh

So to spend this sort of wedge on earphones youll be requiring something … So to spend this sort of wedge on earphones youll be requiring something like 5k worth of stereo



Not at all, you could plug them in to your phone and they'd sound good. Of course they'd sound better with better source, but these aren't even very expensive headphones so they don't require expensive source.

@ElGofre - you know what you're talking about - out of interest, have you got any Custom IEMs? I've got really oval ear canals so in ears never worked for me - until I got some customs (1964 V-Quads). Best sound for Rock and bass oriented music I've ever heard (my listening experience being abut 25 years but reaching only as high as the Senn HD800 in terms of price bracket). Thoroughly recommend custom IEMs as a category, and of course the 27-28db isolation and portability is a bonus - also you can lie on your side as they don't protrude beyond the pinna..

barbiegirl

@ElGofre - you know what you're talking about - out of interest, have you … @ElGofre - you know what you're talking about - out of interest, have you got any Custom IEMs? I've got really oval ear canals so in ears never worked for me - until I got some customs (1964 V-Quads). Best sound for Rock and bass oriented music I've ever heard (my listening experience being abut 25 years but reaching only as high as the Senn HD800 in terms of price bracket). Thoroughly recommend custom IEMs as a category, and of course the 27-28db isolation and portability is a bonus - also you can lie on your side as they don't protrude beyond the pinna..



Thanks I do own a pair of customs, but they represent my biggest case of buyer's remorse in the history of my gadget buying! I chose to get a pair of Minerva Mi-3s as my 21st b'day present three years ago when I was first getting into high end audio and didn't really know what I was doing. I picked the first UK based manufacturer I could find because I was impatient and they were a lot cheaper for a triple driver option than any other brand on the market ("because hey, more drivers instantly means better headphones right?" yeah, I wasn't clever). The headphones arrived, fit and isolation were both glorious, but they sounded pretty bad. I assumed it was my uneducated ears and that burn-in time is bound to cure all ills, and by the time I got around to finally realising they just weren't that great I'd missed the returns window. Now I only keep them around to assure my parents that I still use the ludicrously expensive IEMs I persuaded them to buy me and to remind myself not to jump so blindly into expensive tech purchases again!

These days I don't use IEMs anymore. I've tried plenty of pairs across my audio travels and just don't really like the imaging properties inherent to IEMs, they all sound too closed in for my liking, and the disproportionate price:performance ratio compared to full sized offerings. As much as I'd love an expensive pair of customs that would no doubt be a big jump in both of these areas, I won't buy them now because I'm saving to go travelling and any tech money I have I'd rather put into my newest obsession of photography. Plus I'm just generally really happy with my P7s and never find myself in a position where I'd rather have a pair of IEMs with me
Edited by: "ElGofre" 18th Jun 2014

ElGofre

Thanks I do own a pair of customs, but they represent my biggest case … Thanks I do own a pair of customs, but they represent my biggest case of buyer's remorse in the history of my gadget buying! I chose to get a pair of Minerva Mi-3s as my 21st b'day present three years ago when I was first getting into high end audio and didn't really know what I was doing. I picked the first UK based manufacturer I could find because I was impatient and they were a lot cheaper for a triple driver option than any other brand on the market ("because hey, more drivers instantly means better headphones right?" yeah, I wasn't clever). The headphones arrived, fit and isolation were both glorious, but they sounded pretty bad. I assumed it was my uneducated ears and that burn-in time is bound to cure all ills, and by the time I got around to finally realising they just weren't that great I'd missed the returns window. Now I only keep them around to assure my parents that I still use the ludicrously expensive IEMs I persuaded them to buy me and to remind myself not to jump so blindly into expensive tech purchases again!These days I don't use IEMs anymore. I've tried plenty of pairs across my audio travels and just don't really like the imaging properties inherent to IEMs, they all sound too closed in for my liking, and the disproportionate price:performance ratio compared to full sized offerings. As much as I'd love an expensive pair of customs that would no doubt be a big jump in both of these areas, I won't buy them now because I'm saving to go travelling and any tech money I have I'd rather put into my newest obsession of photography. Plus I'm just generally really happy with my P7s and never find myself in a position where I'd rather have a pair of IEMs with me



Fair enough. Yes, the driver / number game - you can get IEMs with 8 drivers each ear now....

I have to say I still love my AKG 701 more than anything else, probably for the same reasons you just described - a proper open backed headphone with such good soundstaging and imagery that when I first got them I thought the speakers in the room were still getting the signal. I prefer them to HD650 (which I sold on) and I have to say, following a small inheritance, I auditioned the HD800 and just didn't think they were worth a grand.

Still, without in anyway wishing to condescend, at just 24 you have many happy years of audiophilia in front of you, and times when money can cover travelling AND seeking audio nirvana.. Good luck on your travels. :-)
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