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Posted 1st Nov 2018
Looks like a decent entry-level road bike. Gets good reviews: wiggle.co.uk/bra…ke/

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Seems poor for £300 with a freewheel and basic tourney semi-plastic derailleur. For £300 I would expect a bargain road bike to have Claris not the same basic drivetrain as sub £100 bikes.

Even Argos offers a 16 gear freehub/Claris equipped road bike with carbon forks for £330 so it would be false economy not to spend the extra £30.

argos.co.uk/pro…992

A freewheel is crap on a £130 road bike and even more crap when you are spending £300. I'd put the value of the brand x road bike at no more than £220 and would be a bargain at £180 or less. So at £230 still seems expensive to me and the original price in my mind was completely unrealistic.
Edited by: "bonzobanana" 1st Nov 2018
kramer208801/11/2018 14:29

Why "entry level" and not just "reasonably priced" ?


A £1000 bike could be 'reasonably priced' if it contained £1000 worth of components.
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Why "entry level" and not just "reasonably priced" ?
kramer208801/11/2018 14:29

Why "entry level" and not just "reasonably priced" ?


A £1000 bike could be 'reasonably priced' if it contained £1000 worth of components.
Seems poor for £300 with a freewheel and basic tourney semi-plastic derailleur. For £300 I would expect a bargain road bike to have Claris not the same basic drivetrain as sub £100 bikes.

Even Argos offers a 16 gear freehub/Claris equipped road bike with carbon forks for £330 so it would be false economy not to spend the extra £30.

argos.co.uk/pro…992

A freewheel is crap on a £130 road bike and even more crap when you are spending £300. I'd put the value of the brand x road bike at no more than £220 and would be a bargain at £180 or less. So at £230 still seems expensive to me and the original price in my mind was completely unrealistic.
Edited by: "bonzobanana" 1st Nov 2018
bonzobanana01/11/2018 19:41

Seems poor for £300 with a freewheel and basic tourney semi-plastic …Seems poor for £300 with a freewheel and basic tourney semi-plastic derailleur. For £300 I would expect a bargain road bike to have Claris not the same basic drivetrain as sub £100 bikes. Even Argos offers a 16 gear freehub/Claris equipped road bike with carbon forks for £330 so it would be false economy not to spend the extra £30.https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8017992A freewheel is crap on a £130 road bike and even more crap when you are spending £300. I'd put the value of the brand x road bike at no more than £220 and would be a bargain at £180 or less. So at £230 still seems expensive to me and the original price in my mind was completely unrealistic.


Your comments about spending the extra £30 make no sense. This deal is for £229 not the £299 RRP.
bonzobanana01/11/2018 19:41

Seems poor for £300 with a freewheel and basic tourney semi-plastic …Seems poor for £300 with a freewheel and basic tourney semi-plastic derailleur. For £300 I would expect a bargain road bike to have Claris not the same basic drivetrain as sub £100 bikes. Even Argos offers a 16 gear freehub/Claris equipped road bike with carbon forks for £330 so it would be false economy not to spend the extra £30.https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8017992A freewheel is crap on a £130 road bike and even more crap when you are spending £300. I'd put the value of the brand x road bike at no more than £220 and would be a bargain at £180 or less. So at £230 still seems expensive to me and the original price in my mind was completely unrealistic.


What's wrong with freewheels?, many people (including me) have run them for years with no problems.(I have 2 bikes with freewheels and 2 with cassettes).
CampGareth01/11/2018 15:11

A £1000 bike could be 'reasonably priced' if it contained £1000 worth of c …A £1000 bike could be 'reasonably priced' if it contained £1000 worth of components.

You point is the inference that you either become wealthier or want to spend more on bikes the longer you cycle. I've had at least one road bike on the go for 37 years, but never got the need to spend more than the minimum.
kramer20889 h, 28 m ago

You point is the inference that you either become wealthier or want to …You point is the inference that you either become wealthier or want to spend more on bikes the longer you cycle. I've had at least one road bike on the go for 37 years, but never got the need to spend more than the minimum.


Meanwhile I spent the minimum on a second hand folding bike with 6 speed gearing and a shimano TZ derailleur, I could never get it to shift reliably which in city traffic is a problem. I felt the need to upgrade and eventually I did. Does 'minimum' mean minimum for a reliable bike?

I'd also like to throw hub gears into the mix. If you spend more money on them you generally get a greater gear range, though there is a huge jump in price from £200 8 speeds to £900 14 speed rohloffs. I think tangible benefits are worth spending more than the minimum for, but agree that often the benefits of one or the other component aren't tangible.
blake_701/11/2018 20:02

Your comments about spending the extra £30 make no sense. This deal is for …Your comments about spending the extra £30 make no sense. This deal is for £229 not the £299 RRP.


Sorry if my comment was a little unclear I was basically saying what poor value it was at the original price of £300 and that close to £300 there are far better bikes. Many people judge bargains on the discount level but I was just stating that at £300 it was a terrible price. Based on it's spec it seems to me a bike that should retail at most a little over £200 something like £220. You are not getting a bike worth £300 at £230 you are getting a bike probably worth £220 approx at £230 in my opinion based on the components.
Zimmy13 h, 3 m ago

What's wrong with freewheels?, many people (including me) have run them …What's wrong with freewheels?, many people (including me) have run them for years with no problems.(I have 2 bikes with freewheels and 2 with cassettes).


Well firstly it's a cheap low end component as is the tourney derailleur so by fitting such cheap components should be reflected in the retail price. As for the issues with freewheels, first of all you may have had good service from them but they are much weaker than freehubs and cassettes, small pawls, weaker metal, inferior weather proofing, shorter lifespan. Again if you are lighter rider or you tend to spin more than mash, fair weather cyclist etc then obviously they will work better or longer. From a performance viewpoint the smallest cog being 14 compared to 11 or 12 of a cassette makes the bike slower downhill or on flats. The next issue is freewheel wobble which can make shifting less precise. Another big issue is there is a massive bending force on the rear axle if you drop the bike of pavements or overload the bike that can cause the axle to bend if a solid axle or snap if a quick release. It's a much, much weaker design. The low end tourney derailleurs have a weaker spring and sometimes a plastic housing, less precise design and shifts more poorly too. You spend more time adjusting etc. These are entry level components, some of these components I don't think Shimano even make themselves they are licensed to cheaper manufacturers to make. That was the case for some of the very low end tourney derailleurs.

I'm no bike snob and see value in low cost bikes as long as they don't have suspension but often there is a cross over in pricing between tourney/freewheel based road bikes and freehub 16 speed road bikes. I wouldn't pay £230 for a freewheel road bike. We have seen the Carrera Virtuoso go as low as £230 in recent times, sports direct to a muddyfox race 200 for about £200 currently and there are often other options. Spending over £200 for a freewheel equipped road bike to me is not great value and this is a bargain forum.
bonzobanana02/11/2018 09:15

Sorry if my comment was a little unclear I was basically saying what poor …Sorry if my comment was a little unclear I was basically saying what poor value it was at the original price of £300 and that close to £300 there are far better bikes. Many people judge bargains on the discount level but I was just stating that at £300 it was a terrible price. Based on it's spec it seems to me a bike that should retail at most a little over £200 something like £220. You are not getting a bike worth £300 at £230 you are getting a bike probably worth £220 approx at £230 in my opinion based on the components.


Fair enough. Interested to know if there are better options at this price point.
blake_702/11/2018 10:56

Fair enough. Interested to know if there are better options at this price …Fair enough. Interested to know if there are better options at this price point.


Muddyfox Race 200 is currently discounted to about £152 including postage. You can get it cheaper still if you go through topcashback to get zeek vouchers and use topcashback again to make your purchase using those zeek vouchers.

Far superior bike.

sportsdirect.com/mud…BwE

Realistically you should be able to get it down to about £140 or less delivered.

You can see the Muddyfox compared to an Aero carbon bike here. Obviously slower but I think the times will surprise many who always assume carbon bikes are much, much faster than this. Note the muddyfox has fairly fast gearing so would likely be faster than any bike with a freewheel which limits its top speed due to the smallest cog being 14 not 12 or 11. Surely the best road bike bargain by far currently as long as you are happy to buy from sports direct which many aren't. Also bear in mind sports direct are a box shifter and you will need to check and adjust the bike yourself before riding. There will be no support. However I doubt chain reaction will be able to do much for you either to be honest.


bonzobanana02/11/2018 13:21

Muddyfox Race 200 is currently discounted to about £152 including postage. …Muddyfox Race 200 is currently discounted to about £152 including postage. You can get it cheaper still if you go through topcashback to get zeek vouchers and use topcashback again to make your purchase using those zeek vouchers.Far superior bike.https://www.sportsdirect.com/muddyfox-race-200-road-bike-933090?colcode=93309048&gclid=CjwKCAjw6-_eBRBXEiwA-5zHafaOGzaien0oF4A6lkzJ1lh2Hgiaam35GVUo-m_O45LWDC5OQzdLUBoCJnEQAvD_BwERealistically you should be able to get it down to about £140 or less delivered.You can see the Muddyfox compared to an Aero carbon bike here. Obviously slower but I think the times will surprise many who always assume carbon bikes are much, much faster than this. Note the muddyfox has fairly fast gearing so would likely be faster than any bike with a freewheel which limits its top speed due to the smallest cog being 14 not 12 or 11. Surely the best road bike bargain by far currently as long as you are happy to buy from sports direct which many aren't. Also bear in mind sports direct are a box shifter and you will need to check and adjust the bike yourself before riding. There will be no support. However I doubt chain reaction will be able to do much for you either to be honest.[Video]


Heavy (13kg) and partially assembled from Sports Direct. Not for me. Good price though.
Edited by: "blake_7" 2nd Nov 2018
blake_702/11/2018 21:42

Heavy (13kg) and partially assembled from Sports Direct. Not for me. Good …Heavy (13kg) and partially assembled from Sports Direct. Not for me. Good price though.


As you can see from the video I linked to its about 12kg in the largest size with pedals according to the owner, the brand x bike is 11.5kg in medium without pedals, there is the real possibility that the brand x bike is heavier despite it's light low end drivetrain.. It won't be assembled by sports direct you'll get a boxed bike direct from the factory which will need possible adjustment, grease etc because they are simply box shifters who provide no support but the basic bike is fantastic value but no point buying if you can't do bike maintenance yourself but that is true pretty much of buying any bike online unless you buy a bike which the retailer has assembled and checked and then repacked but many stores who do this don't do it for their lower end bikes anyway.

I'd also point out a freehub based bike, with stronger cassette, metal derailleurs do add weight over low end part plastic derailleurs and weak freewheels with small ratchet mechanisms. While higher end freehubs and deraillers are light weight entry level freehubs and derailleurs are a little heavier.

Personally I would not buy a junk bike because I like the retailer or it has a better brand. I'd rather buy a bike which uses higher quality components from a unlikeable retailer with a rubbish brand if necessary. They are all brand slaps from the far east. It's sport's direct low rating amongst cyclists that has probably forced them to heavily discount their better quality models.I'm happy to take advantage of their loss if I needed a road bike. They have been sitting on that stock for sometime, it's an old groupset. At the time the groupset was mainstream bikes with that groupset were retailing from £350-700 so seems a bargain for about £150 even if it is old stock from 2-3 years ago. According to that video the Muddyfox bike is just under 95% as fast as the Boardman carbon fibre aero bike costing well over £2,000 and the Boardman bike is very competitively priced for a carbon aero bike and could match the performance of bikes costing much more than that from the big brands.

Saying that from what I understand its best to replace the tyres of the Race 200 pretty much straight away as the 700x23 tyres are too low profile and uncomfortable. Better to go 700x28 or 700x25.
Edited by: "bonzobanana" 2nd Nov 2018
bonzobanana02/11/2018 22:24

.Personally I would not buy a junk bike because I like the retailer or it ….Personally I would not buy a junk bike because I like the retailer or it has a better brand. I'd rather buy a bike which uses higher quality components from a unlikeable retailer with a rubbish brand if necessary. They are all brand slaps from the far east. It's sport's direct low rating amongst cyclists that has probably forced them to heavily discount their better quality models.I'm happy to take advantage of their loss if I needed a road bike. They have been sitting on that stock for sometime, it's an old groupset. At the time the groupset was mainstream bikes with that groupset were retailing from £350-700 so seems a bargain for about £150 even if it is old stock from 2-3 years ago.


It is older stock than 2 to 3 years ago, the Claris 2400 that superseded the 2300 was announced in March 2013.
There is quite a few differences between 2400 and 2300.
Main stream entry road bikes with the Claris 2400 released in 2014 included the Merlin Performance PR7 at £300 and Triban 500SE at £330 both of which were significantly lighter than this bike, as with most things sport direct the rrp needs to be looked at with a pinch of salt..
bonzobanana02/11/2018 22:24

According to that video the Muddyfox bike is just under 95% as fast as the …According to that video the Muddyfox bike is just under 95% as fast as the Boardman carbon fibre aero bike costing well over £2,000 and the Boardman bike is very competitively priced for a carbon aero bike and could match the performance of bikes costing much more than that from the big brands.Saying that from what I understand its best to replace the tyres of the Race 200 pretty much straight away as the 700x23 tyres are too low profile and uncomfortable. Better to go 700x28 or 700x25.



95% close over a short 13km test run followed immediately by the better bike and his grin is so much broader on the second run (the drive to the bottom sometimes missing the so important joy/fun factor). As per your last linking of this video there are far more in-depth, substantial and professional comparisons out there such as this one

As per the video's owner you have posted, if you read his comments, he states it is much slower on climbs due to its weight and gearing.
He is using the cheaper bike for all weather training or in group rides, I would presume for the group he rides with he wants the extra handicap/training from the entry level bike.
He also states he thinks at £200 it stands him at nothing and has not been a waste of money although cautions he is meticulous on cleaning and maintenance.
Looks an ok deal to me for an entry level bike?
vileda_the_best03/11/2018 11:35

It is older stock than 2 to 3 years ago, the Claris 2400 that superseded …It is older stock than 2 to 3 years ago, the Claris 2400 that superseded the 2300 was announced in March 2013.There is quite a few differences between 2400 and 2300.Main stream entry road bikes with the Claris 2400 released in 2014 included the Merlin Performance PR7 at £300 and Triban 500SE at £330 both of which were significantly lighter than this bike, as with most things sport direct the rrp needs to be looked at with a pinch of salt..95% close over a short 13km test run followed immediately by the better bike and his grin is so much broader on the second run (the drive to the bottom sometimes missing the so important joy/fun factor). As per your last linking of this video there are far more in-depth, substantial and professional comparisons out there such as this oneAs per the video's owner you have posted, if you read his comments, he states it is much slower on climbs due to its weight and gearing.He is using the cheaper bike for all weather training or in group rides, I would presume for the group he rides with he wants the extra handicap/training from the entry level bike.He also states he thinks at £200 it stands him at nothing and has not been a waste of money although cautions he is meticulous on cleaning and maintenance.


It could be older can't dispute that although groupsets don't always disappear immediately and 2300 components are still available.


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There seems to be some images of Muddyfox Race 200's with Claris instead. The sports direct site is pretty hopeless at selling bikes and describing them correctly. No question the bike is inferior to more expensive road bikes but the margin in performance is very small there are lots of articles about the times.Durianrider showing that a simple $500 road bike is perfectly capable of beating extremely expensive bikes. Again as ever with your comments you put in some weird bias that utterly nullifies your points. He does maintain his bikes but his Boardman carbon bike he won't even take out in the rain. You make it sound like he has to do a lot of maintenance to keep the Muddyfox going but the reality is he rides it much more and has done very little with it and it performs almost at 95% of the level of the Boardman bike. Incredible value. I don't know much about the Merlin Performance PR7 so can't comment but do know the Btwin's have significantly less rider weight allowance so not really comparable. I think the Muddyfox bikes have a rider weight allowance of 115kg significantly more than the Btwin. The current Merlin Performance after a quick search is £440 with claris groupset and carbon fork. Looks a nice bike. Btwin's cheapest bike with decent components currently is £350 for the Triban 500. Interestingly has a triple chainset. Again good higher price options rider weight permitting in the case of the btwin but a long way from the current Muddyfox Race 200 price which puts it below many very low end road bikes with freewheels and tourney derailleurs. The Race 200 may be a good competitor to the Carrera Virtuoso and both share a very similar spec but currently the Race 200 is much cheaper.

Both the Virtuoso and Race 200 are probably a fair bit heavier than some carbon fork equipped bikes but for many the safer more durable steel forks are a feature worth having for a bike taking abuse, possibly getting knocks etc. Steel forks would be my preference. I'm hoping to build up a titanium road bike at some point but I will want chromoly forks despite the weight penalty.

Many bikes are given as weights without pedals in their medium frame or sometimes even smaller frame. The sort of bikes that use generic far eastern budget frames don't vary much in weight at the lower end I find unless they are using pretty much chinese market spec frames which are a little weaker and lighter. Companies like Giant and Merida can do strong frames with lower weight frames even on budget models like the Giant Contend that sells to close to £400 sometimes. It's a sub 10kg bike with a 125kg rider weight limit, 10kg luggage and allows a total load of something like 145kg including bike weight which is 45kg more than btwin. It also offers a lifetime warranty. Personally at around £400 last year's Giant Contend model would be a far better option than the Btwin or Merlin.

I personally see no reason to spend around £250 and get a road bike with junk freewheel and tourney components.

The idea that 1 or 2kg extra when climbing a hill is a deal breaker I also disagree with. Factor in the riders weight and this weight difference is minimal hence why many times do not vary that much between cheap and expensive bikes. Durianirder had the osprey (generic claris road bike) dropping times at about 1 second a minute compared to high end bikes.

Not forgetting tour de france times have only gradually improved over the years as we have evolved through steel to aluminium to carbon bikes until Lance Armstrong came along with his magic juice who improved times marginally greater than before.
bonzobanana13th Nov 2018

It could be older can't dispute that although groupsets don't always …It could be older can't dispute that although groupsets don't always disappear immediately and 2300 components are still available.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SHIMANO-Bicycle-Derailleur-Bike-Parts-RD-2300-2400-3500-dial-8-9-speed-road-car-folding/32828419051.html


Yes and support with surplus stock is available - that does not equate to your incorrect guidance that manufacturers were releasing newer bikes 3 years after the Claris 2400 was released as their mainstream products at upto twice the price of Claris 2400 groupset bikes available using the 2300 groupset. This is what you stated and I have pointed out the obvious flaw in such stated logic.

bonzobanana13th Nov 2018

There seems to be some images of Muddyfox Race 200's with Claris instead.


Said image links please?

bonzobanana13th Nov 2018

Durianrider showing that a simple $500 road bike is perfectly capable of …Durianrider showing that a simple $500 road bike is perfectly capable of beating extremely expensive bikes.


Place Hamilton into a GT86 and me into a McLaren F1 and race Silverstone and I would bet I would not win. However, relatively you are often scrapping the bottom of the barrel and a more apt comparison you would be of you advocating a Chevrolet Cruz compared to a GT86. My point would be I know which one a driver would more enjoy, feel and have more fun with and I would question the first one actually being someone that either chooses to drive or enjoys doing so.

bonzobanana13th Nov 2018

Again as ever with your comments you put in some weird bias that utterly …Again as ever with your comments you put in some weird bias that utterly nullifies your points. He does maintain his bikes but his Boardman carbon bike he won't even take out in the rain. You make it sound like he has to do a lot of maintenance to keep the Muddyfox going but the reality is he rides it much more and has done very little with it and it performs almost at 95% of the level of the Boardman bike. Incredible value.


The bias is here plain to see coming from yourself, Myself I am countering your bias with the facts presented rather than following your fabrication on what has been stated

Lets break what the reviewer states:
"I've always looked after my bikes, cleaning the chain, gears and cassette after a ride and trying not to go out in the wet (my TTE has never seen a raindrop!) I guess this has helped keep the Muddy Fox in good working order"

That is not he avoids rain on his TTE and uses his muddy fox instead for rain as you have inferred. He literally states he avoids rain on all his bikes (note it is plural). He also states so far not a drop of rain has touched his TTE. That does not give future state or his intended use and is where you are fabricating rather than relaying fact.

There are a number of situations where rain could end up on the TTE. The fact you can not relate to them is a very strong indicator that you have a greater passion in talking about bikes than the actual passion in using them.

His other statements in reference to the Boardman ride include :

"It's definitely faster"
"feels a lot faster"
"wind was up and felt headwind more" (yet it was faster)

In reference to the muddyfox:
"Only having 16 gears and because it weighs quite a lot, it is a bit of a struggle up hills"
"At £200 it stands me at nothing"

bonzobanana13th Nov 2018

The current Merlin Performance after a quick search is £440 with claris …The current Merlin Performance after a quick search is £440 with claris groupset and carbon fork. Looks a nice bike.


Indeed, prices have gone up with both taxation and the pounds value between the time period the Claris 2400 was released till today. Context was in relation to your quote on the older stock of the muddy fox race 200.

bonzobanana13th Nov 2018

The Race 200 may be a good competitor to the Carrera Virtuoso and both …The Race 200 may be a good competitor to the Carrera Virtuoso and both share a very similar spec but currently the Race 200 is much cheaper. The Race 200 may be a good competitor to the Carrera Virtuoso and both share a very similar spec but currently the Race 200 is much cheaper.Both the Virtuoso and Race 200 are probably a fair bit heavier than some carbon fork equipped bikes but for many the safer more durable steel forks are a feature worth having for a bike taking abuse, possibly getting knocks etc.


Disagree that these share same spec - the current Virtuoso has Claris 2400, was updated to it in 2014 and is far better than the muddyfox race 200. In upcoming sales the carrera is the one I would suggest keeping an eye on for bang for buck as a minimum spec presently to consider for those interested.

The dual shift sti's on the Claris 2400 (most obvious sign of them being on the bike) is a really good example of shimano's trickle down tech and that they are seriously considering the budget arena as a vast improvement as well as introducing riders to how the upper tiers will feel if you then move forwards.

It was the muddyfox race 400 I thought the best bang for buck when it was on offer - the jump between 4600 tiagra to 4700 is nowhere as significant as between the 2300 to 2400 - albeit next price bracket up.


bonzobanana13th Nov 2018

I personally see no reason to spend around £250 and get a road bike with …I personally see no reason to spend around £250 and get a road bike with junk freewheel and tourney components.


Concur - where we disagree is that at £250 you are into the the sales prices of the virtuoso and then with zeek and other vouchers can bring it further down whilst getting a signifanct step up. Certainly to bring the muddy fox up to the same standard would cost a lot more than that price difference.


bonzobanana13th Nov 2018

The idea that 1 or 2kg extra when climbing a hill is a deal breaker I also …The idea that 1 or 2kg extra when climbing a hill is a deal breaker I also disagree with. Factor in the riders weight and this weight difference is minimal hence why many times do not vary that much between cheap and expensive bikes. Durianirder had the osprey (generic claris road bike) dropping times at about 1 second a minute compared to high end bikes.



Again you are demonstrating that you are not and have not been a road rider doing distances this century.

I would bet you that video reviewer would use his TTE for when entering competitions, sportif's and when exerting himself in a more competitive - equate this to being greater distances from getting to your destination and showers are not always guaranteed to be missed. The counter side of that is the heavier bike can make up better training on shorter distances or when going with slower groups.

As he stated "it is a bit of a struggle up hills"
now if distance riding and hills are significantly more effort just consider for a moment what percentage of time this takes out of your ride. To give you a clue - losing 1mph when going 5mph is more significant than losing 1mph when doing 20 mph.

Additionally you then have the zone 4 exhaustion (look up zonal training) - this is the reason you see at the front of pelotons racers taking it in turns to lead and push their effort and then draft to recoup - it is only a few percent difference. However, that few percent is the difference between lasting a short period until spent (look at some the track events where effectively you have members forfeit themselves as a final push) to being able to effectively hold to the end.

If you want to understand this better go reserve an 8 kg bike and an 11 kg bike. For myself that would be going to around the 100 mile mark as a test - bring it relatively to where you are at, try the same and feel free to tell me how you felt no difference at all especially powering up hills. Reality is I suspect digestives would win whilst you pondered about doing.

As per the video I linked on the better bike the climb is described as being on his heels - the cheap bike was where he was sat back in the saddle this is a difference between being able to push beyond in a spritely fashion compared to grinding it out.

bonzobanana13th Nov 2018

Not forgetting tour de france times have only gradually improved over the …Not forgetting tour de france times have only gradually improved over the years as we have evolved through steel to aluminium to carbon bikes until Lance Armstrong came along with his magic juice who improved times marginally greater than before.


Here is a real chart on overall trend. You must also consider there is an artificial weight requirement set by UCI on professional bikes that has been in place this century:


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Edited by: "vileda_the_best" 14th Nov 2018
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