Byocycles Chameleon 20 Folding Electric Bike SRP £799 Now £399 inc Free UK Delivery @Filarinskis
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Byocycles Chameleon 20 Folding Electric Bike SRP £799 Now £399 inc Free UK Delivery @Filarinskis

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Found 24th Mar 2013
Byocycles Chameleon 20 Folding Electric Bike

Just visited my local electric bike store to have a look at electric bike for my parent.At the store I been told that there is one day only deal on Byocycle Chameleon folding electric bike and that it will be sold for £399 both online and in-store.After trying one I was pleasantly surprised as it was very smooth and new concept all together.After doing some research online I found the specs be the best for what you pay for.In the end I couldn't resist the price and ordered one for the parents and myself as its ideal commuter to work and will save me a bundle in travel.

I posted this deal and hope this will be useful somebody

Bike Specifications:

A budget bike from Biocycle, with features of a higher priced bike!

Motor: 250w Brushless geared motor
Battery type: 36v 10aH Li-ion battery
Weight: 27kg
Charge time: 4-6 hrs
Frame: 15” Alloy folding frame
Range in miles: 25 miles (Power assisted steering)
Wheels: 20” Wheel
Gears: 6 Speed Shimano TZ06 gears
Brakes: Front and Bike V-Brake
Stand: Steel
Lights: V801-36V LED with horn
Chain: Z52
Throttle Control: With Right Grip - Sensor
12 Month Warranty

37 Comments

Sounds like you fell for that one! Did you also buy the snake oil lube and breathable gore-tex jacket?

Cheap for a folding electric, tho would check reviews, and research battery pack replacement options / price (in 3-4 years time, probably looking for another £200 to replace)

27 kilograms?

Power assisted steering.....on a bike? Hilarious hahaaaaa. I think you mean 25 miles range if pedal assisted.

From past experiences electric bikes are good, however be warned they sometimes can be a false economy as they weigh an absolute ton.

Not bad for £399 but that spec is no where near £800, maybe £500. Looks to be fairly old spec and heavy.

http://www.tesco.com/direct/hopper-20-folding-electric-bike/215-7386.prd

£399, only a 24v battery but longer range & much lighter. Easy to sort out should faults arise.

I've voted cold.
Reason: you can't realistically fold this bike and carry it with you on the way to work (in a train for example), due to the 26kg weight.
Also, don't forget that without pedal assistance, the speed of the bike will be slow.
Unless you are terribly unfit, you should be able to go faster on a normal folding bicycle, which you can fold and carry on a train.
The deal breaker for this bike is the 26kg weight.

My recommendation, if you need a folding bike (perhaps you cycle to the train station, then fold the bike and get on the train), is to buy a normal folding bike.

There is a review here:
http://www.electricbikemag.co.uk/showStory.php?storynum=118

It might not be so bad if you just need it to fold to get onto a train, but lifting it into a car, or up a flight of stairs would be a hassle.

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according to the manufacturers own website it's 22.5KG

byocycles.com/BYO…tml

Approx double the weight of a normal, quality folder; no way that makes any sense. Also looks very uncomfortable due to short saddle to bars distance.

I have actually owned an electric bike (unlike most posters here I guess) as due to a back injury I couldn't ride my normal road/mtbs so went electric to help my recovery for a year. In my view it is well worth £399, why ? well on the basis of the battery and motor alone, if it really is a 36v 10ah battery Li-ion then I'd snap it up. Linked with the 250w motor this is about the best combo for electric bikes, that battery/motor combo is normally found on £1000 + bike so I think you've done well. Make sure you check in at pedelecs.co.uk/ for some friendly advice and fathom which restrictor wire to cut to remove the 15mph limit :-) happy cycling.

I'm glad that the tech is developing.
Personally I don't struggle with pedalling a non-assisted bicycle.
I guess the only thing I could be interested is one that goes/accelerates really fast..

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mtc1

This is the sort of thing you can get fr £800ish, … This is the sort of thing you can get fr £800ish, http://www.kudoscycles.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=325



That is a very low spec mountain bike....those forks are not going to last for long off road and the disc brakes are some cheap brand I've never heard of. But you like how it looks....yes?

I had one of these in 2006

http://www.bizrice.com/upload/20120221/26_mountain_folding_electric_bicycle_with_CE.jpg

I think I got it for about £400, it was Chinese I think, anyway was a good bike, I used it for commuting I didn't actually pedal but used full throttle all the way there and back, it was great after a hard days work. it did I think about 15mph and I used to charge it every night, I ended up selling it after changing job. The negatives with it where that it was VERY heavey, the batterys where in the rear wheel, parts: when I bucked the front wheel I had to buy the wheel and motor!, and it wasnt easy to find. I am on the lookout for a new electric bike and would get one like mtc1 posted and convert my mountain bike, that way. Please remember the battery cells die and they are the most expensive part why I wouldn't buy one second hand!.

I've been considering one of these for a while. I've done all the bike stuff but now am a little bit old and lazy.
After reading all the reviews and watching the YouTube videos... it looks like a well engineered product and worth a dabble at this price. I've ordered one but will have no hesitation in sending it back if it's no good!

sunama

I've voted cold.Reason: you can't realistically fold this bike and carry … I've voted cold.Reason: you can't realistically fold this bike and carry it with you on the way to work (in a train for example), due to the 26kg weight.Also, don't forget that without pedal assistance, the speed of the bike will be slow.Unless you are terribly unfit, you should be able to go faster on a normal folding bicycle, which you can fold and carry on a train.The deal breaker for this bike is the 26kg weight.



Some people will be able to lug 26kg of folded bike around OK. However, I don't imagine that many of them will be needing an electric bike!

slingting

That is a very low spec mountain bike....those forks are not going to … That is a very low spec mountain bike....those forks are not going to last for long off road and the disc brakes are some cheap brand I've never heard of. But you like how it looks....yes?



That's why it's £800 and not £2k plus. It's fairly light for an electric and the motor and battery are decent. Would be fine for road use and looks like a normal bike.

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mtc1

That's why it's £800 and not £2k plus. It's fairly light for an electric a … That's why it's £800 and not £2k plus. It's fairly light for an electric and the motor and battery are decent. Would be fine for road use and looks like a normal bike.



It's not for road use, it's a very poorly spec'd mountain bike (worth about £300 without the motor and battery) with poor suspension forks and wide high resistance off road tyres. If your looking for an electric bike for road use then that heap of junk isn't it.

andisitadeal

Some people will be able to lug 26kg of folded bike around OK. However, … Some people will be able to lug 26kg of folded bike around OK. However, I don't imagine that many of them will be needing an electric bike!



An electric bike can be good if you need to ride somewhere hilly, and you want to get around more quickly than just pedalling in a lower gear. The power assistance can make a longer journey practical, particularly if you have a limited amount of time, and can't just ride more slowly.

Folding bikes are good if you need to take them on a train at peak hours, but with this one you would be best to make sure that your route doesn't include too many flights of stairs.

This is good price for a low end bike. A to B magazine atob.org.uk/ele…es/ is a good source of information for better quality electric bikes. You can get bikes which are much better than this, but they will also cost much more.

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ahenry

An electric bike can be good if you need to ride somewhere hilly, and you … An electric bike can be good if you need to ride somewhere hilly, and you want to get around more quickly than just pedalling in a lower gear. The power assistance can make a longer journey practical, particularly if you have a limited amount of time, and can't just ride more slowly.Folding bikes are good if you need to take them on a train at peak hours, but with this one you would be best to make sure that your route doesn't include too many flights of stairs.This is good price for a low end bike. A to B magazine http://www.atob.org.uk/electric-bikes/ is a good source of information for better quality electric bikes. You can get bikes which are much better than this, but they will also cost much more.



From AtoB's web site that states...

This page aims to list all the electric bikes on the UK market that meet our criteria listed in the notes at the bottom of the page. We only recommend electric bikes that have been road-tested and reviewed for the magazine

The Byocycles Chameleon 20 posted by OP features on this list

www.atob.org.uk/electric-bikes/electric-bike-price-guide-uk/+Byocycles+Chameleon+20+atob&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Judosteffer

27 kilograms?


My thought exactly. That is very very heavy, and on those tiny wheels it may be a bit unstable, too (unlike a car, a bicycle is more stable if the centre of gravity is higher!). The battery seems rather small, too, with only about 300 Wh. The iPad has 90 Wh, I think. Cheap, yes, but you get what you pay for.

slingting

It's not for road use, it's a very poorly spec'd mountain bike (worth … It's not for road use, it's a very poorly spec'd mountain bike (worth about £300 without the motor and battery) with poor suspension forks and wide high resistance off road tyres. If your looking for an electric bike for road use then that heap of junk isn't it.



Think you'll find the vast majority of mountain bikes sold are only used on roads. Not everyone needs a top spec bike & want's to ride off road, if it's a £300 bike with a good battery and motor bolted on that's great.

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MrPuddington

My thought exactly. That is very very heavy, and on those tiny wheels it … My thought exactly. That is very very heavy, and on those tiny wheels it may be a bit unstable, too (unlike a car, a bicycle is more stable if the centre of gravity is higher!). The battery seems rather small, too, with only about 300 Wh. The iPad has 90 Wh, I think. Cheap, yes, but you get what you pay for.



It's not 27KG most other sites and reviews including the manufacture state it is 22.5KG.

Comparing the Wh of an ipod is a bit daft as the power of an electric motor is derived by the amount of amps and VOLTS and 36V is at the top end. This bike has a WH of 360 which is comparable to other e-bikes in the £800 price range

atob.org.uk/ele…uk/
Edited by: "slingting" 25th Mar 2013

Shame it looks like an old woman's shopping bike.

Very good price. That's a hefty battery. You'll see good 25 miles of normal use, bit of wind, hills, stopping/starting, etc. But more if just going along a flat without stops, possibly another 5-10 miles.

I have an electric bike, and it's a worthwhile investment. Everyone I know is jealous.
There will be some who don't see the point. But try commuting 6 miles a day, across open country with 15-20mph head winds, and you'll quickly see why. I can now arrive at work feeling refreshed, rather than exhausted and soaked in sweat.
It's also good for city, as you can accelerate quickly between lights.

The ability to fold can be seen as a nice bonus.

I have an Ultramotor Hybrid 26, which I paid £950 for, (reduced from £2000), and the battery is only 1 amp bigger than this one.

Now they are charging £719 for what is in reality a £400 bike, expired.

mtc1

Now they are charging £719 for what is in reality a £400 bike, expired.



I would say it is £719 in reality, and the £400 was a sale.
A bike with a lithium ion battery of that size for under £700 is very rare. Infact I'm not sure I've ever seen one.

The battery on my bike is 36v 11amp (only 10% bigger capacity than this), and it costs £500 alone.
Edited by: "NitrousUK" 25th Mar 2013

MrPuddington

My thought exactly. That is very very heavy, and on those tiny wheels it … My thought exactly. That is very very heavy, and on those tiny wheels it may be a bit unstable, too (unlike a car, a bicycle is more stable if the centre of gravity is higher!). The battery seems rather small, too, with only about 300 Wh. The iPad has 90 Wh, I think. Cheap, yes, but you get what you pay for.



I think you're confusing WH and KJ regarding the iPad battery life.
Wiki pages says 25 Wh, and 90 kj.

NitrousUK

I would say it is £719 in reality, and the £400 was a sale.A bike with a l … I would say it is £719 in reality, and the £400 was a sale.A bike with a lithium ion battery of that size for under £700 is very rare. Infact I'm not sure I've ever seen one.The battery on my bike is 36v 11amp (only 10% bigger capacity than this), and it costs £500 alone.



Review in feb 2012, Price as tested: £575, inc VAT and free UK delivery. Electric bikes are improving all the time and the prices are coming down so can't see how this could possibly be worth £719 now. I think £399 was a good but realistic price.

slingting

Comparing the Wh of an ipod is a bit daft as the power of an electric … Comparing the Wh of an ipod is a bit daft as the power of an electric motor is derived by the amount of amps and VOLTS and 36V is at the top end.


The voltage is largely irrelevant - as you say, power involves amps as well (voltage times current) and you don't know the number of amps! It is a mistake to take much notice of the battery/motor voltage; the power of the motor is in watts and the capacity of the battery is in watt-hours, both of which can be derived from different combinations of volts and amps.

mtc1

This is the sort of thing you can get fr £800ish, … This is the sort of thing you can get fr £800ish, http://www.kudoscycles.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=325


£800 and still no mudguards!

Anything with more than a 250W motor, and anything which provides motor assist when you are not pedalling, is illegal to use on the roads if I am not mistaken. You might not worry about that until you are involved in a collision.

pibpob

Anything with more than a 250W motor, and anything which provides motor … Anything with more than a 250W motor, and anything which provides motor assist when you are not pedalling, is illegal to use on the roads if I am not mistaken. You might not worry about that until you are involved in a collision.



I believe the motors are allowed to peak above 250w, when under high torque conditions such as hill climbing. Mine peaks to 500w, and I believe is road legal.

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pibpob

Anything with more than a 250W motor, and anything which provides motor … Anything with more than a 250W motor, and anything which provides motor assist when you are not pedalling, is illegal to use on the roads if I am not mistaken. You might not worry about that until you are involved in a collision.



4.The continuous rated power of the motor must not exceed 250 watts
Note: This is the European limit, which the UK signed up to in 2002. The older 1983 UK legislation says 200 watts for bicycles and 250 watts for tandems and tricycles, and this also appears to be in force. In any event, the whole thing is a technicality, because a measurement of ‘continuous rated power’ is like measuring a piece of wiggly string. You will only get into trouble if your machine has a clearly accessible manufacturer’s plate saying something like ’500 watt Turbo’ on it.

atob.org.uk/ele…uk/

slingting

4.The continuous rated power of the motor must not exceed 250 wattsNote: … 4.The continuous rated power of the motor must not exceed 250 wattsNote: This is the European limit, which the UK signed up to in 2002. The older 1983 UK legislation says 200 watts for bicycles and 250 watts for tandems and tricycles, and this also appears to be in force. In any event, the whole thing is a technicality, because a measurement of ‘continuous rated power’ is like measuring a piece of wiggly string. You will only get into trouble if your machine has a clearly accessible manufacturer’s plate saying something like ’500 watt Turbo’ on it.http://www.atob.org.uk/electric-bikes/electric-bike-legislation-uk/



Just to add, while the limit is 15.5mph, there's a 10% margin, which the bike may take advantage of. My Hybrid 26 maintains a steady 17mph.
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