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Canon Legria GX10 Camcorder £1508.99 at Argos
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Canon Legria GX10 Camcorder £1508.99 at Argos

£1,508.99£1,949.9923%Argos Deals
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Posted 24th Feb

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This incredible 4K 50p video recorder features Dual Pixel CMOS AF focusing, 100fps Full HD slow motion, Wide DR and dual card slots for creating professional quality stories with seamless workflow.

Capture incredibly vibrant Wide DR 4K, 50p video - even in demanding situations – thanks to features like precision 15x zoom optics, a large sensor and 8-stop ND filter.

Enjoy intuitive handheld shooting with professional zoom rocker, lens ring, large vari-angle screen with Dual Pixel CMOS AF touch focussing and powerful image stabilisation.

Take control using easily customisable function buttons and dial and included wireless remote control or instantly get superb 4K results with Automatic Mode.

Shoot 50p footage in 4K for stunning fluidity and realism. Slow action with 50fps 4K and up to 100fps Full HD. Enjoy dual card relay recording for long sessions and back up.

Camcorder model number GX10.

Specification:

HD camcorder.
15 x optical zoom.
300 x digital zoom.
3.5in vari-angle LCD touch wide screen.
4K.
Memory:

Accepts SD, SDHC, SDXC, .
13.4MP digital stills.
Features:

Wi-Fi.
CMOS sensor.
Optical image stabilisation.
Face detection.
Built-in lens cover.
General information:

Rechargeable battery.
requires 1 x Li-Ion batteries (included).
Includes .
Weight 1140g.
Size H9.7, W13.5, D21.4cm.
EAN: 8714574652436.
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50P that's a bit odd isn't it ?
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antonybarton124/02/2020 21:01

It's the field rate of PAL video...


there's PAL60 too since the 90s, but it's 2020 and even phones do 4K 60P
Watching for...

Who uses these any more ?

Got my phone
cold
RED cameras are cheaper
deleted244419124/02/2020 21:05

there's PAL60 too since the 90s, but it's 2020 and even phones do 4K 60P


Indeed, but phones have far more powerful CPUs. The sensor and lens on this camcorder will be consuming far more of the budget on this camcorder, so there less left over for a more powerful CPU, etc. Also, while your phone can manage the framerate, the image quality, optical zoom, etc. wont be half as good (remembering phones do a heck of a lot of post production)
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antonybarton124/02/2020 21:13

Indeed, but phones have far more powerful CPUs. The sensor and lens on …Indeed, but phones have far more powerful CPUs. The sensor and lens on this camcorder will be consuming far more of the budget on this camcorder, so there less left over for a more powerful CPU, etc. Also, while your phone can manage the framerate, the image quality, optical zoom, etc. wont be half as good (remembering phones do a heck of a lot of post production)


I think at 1500 quid they could put a CPU in capable of doing higher frame rates. There are much cheaper DSLRs that do 4K 60P too. I wonder why they would use a PAL frame rate from the 80s too when PAL went out with the dinosaurs when we swapped to DVB-S2 / T2.
once you go full frame there's no going back
deleted244419124/02/2020 21:19

I think at 1500 quid they could put a CPU in capable of doing higher frame …I think at 1500 quid they could put a CPU in capable of doing higher frame rates. There are much cheaper DSLRs that do 4K 60P too. I wonder why they would use a PAL frame rate from the 80s too when PAL went out with the dinosaurs when we swapped to DVB-S2 / T2.


Well if you have a better deal to suggest then I think we'd love to see it. Remember to include the cost of a comparable lens, too.
ElGofre24/02/2020 21:40

I think they meant to say Arri!


Jeez might as well go for a Sony venice
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antonybarton124/02/2020 21:31

Well if you have a better deal to suggest then I think we'd love to see …Well if you have a better deal to suggest then I think we'd love to see it. Remember to include the cost of a comparable lens, too.


this 4K 60FPS with 20x optical zoom still coming in under the price of this one (albeit only by a few quid) but cheaper, 60FPS and 20x zoom not 15x


wexphotovideo.com/pan…BwE

edit: it's cheaper in other retailers too like this one

photospecialist.co.uk/pan…BwE

£1363

I'm not a camera expert, and I wasn't trying to have an argument, just found it odd to chose 50P.
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deleted244419124/02/2020 21:54

I'm not a camera expert, and I wasn't trying to have an argument, just …I'm not a camera expert, and I wasn't trying to have an argument, just found it odd to chose 50P.


I have to agree. 50P is a strange limiter in this modern age of cameras.
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imdurc24/02/2020 22:25

I have to agree. 50P is a strange limiter in this modern age of cameras.


ya maybe i'm nitpicking but 60P is divisible by two to make 30P too for slower motion. But at £1500 there are better options
the links i gave point to a cheaper better option IMHO.
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imdurc24/02/2020 22:25

I have to agree. 50P is a strange limiter in this modern age of cameras.


Here follows a brief (ish) explanation of frame rates and why we use PAL...

The UK standard is still 25 or 50fps. That is what you guys are referring as 25p or 50p. Its because our power grid is 50hz in the UK. Mains lighting generally flickers at 50hz so filming 25p or 50p you shouldn't pick up flicker. It's the same with screens, which generally run at 50hz too. America has a 60hz power grid and so this is where the 30p/60p standard comes from. Its actually 29.97fps but that's total nerd talk now.

Because cameras are portable they may be able to switch from UK PAL to USA NTSC which could unlock 60p, giving you an extra 10 frames per second. But when shooting slow motion flicker can become more pronounced so you should choose the format of the region you are filming in if there are light sources running from the mains.

Our power grid is unlikely to change from 50hz, I don't think we could just change it without changing the infrastructure so we will continue to use PAL and the denominations of 50fps. If your filming outside on a bright sunny day fill your boots with 60p. If your filming at night or inside with lighting switch it to 50p.

Voila
Jaffryera25/02/2020 01:15

Here follows a brief (ish) explanation of frame rates and why we use …Here follows a brief (ish) explanation of frame rates and why we use PAL... The UK standard is still 25 or 50fps. That is what you guys are referring as 25p or 50p. Its because our power grid is 50hz in the UK. Mains lighting generally flickers at 50hz so filming 25p or 50p you shouldn't pick up flicker. It's the same with screens, which generally run at 50hz too. America has a 60hz power grid and so this is where the 30p/60p standard comes from. Its actually 29.97fps but that's total nerd talk now.Because cameras are portable they may be able to switch from UK PAL to USA NTSC which could unlock 60p, giving you an extra 10 frames per second. But when shooting slow motion flicker can become more pronounced so you should choose the format of the region you are filming in if there are light sources running from the mains.Our power grid is unlikely to change from 50hz, I don't think we could just change it without changing the infrastructure so we will continue to use PAL and the denominations of 50fps. If your filming outside on a bright sunny day fill your boots with 60p. If your filming at night or inside with lighting switch it to 50p.Voila


I've done videography work, so, I'm well aware of the these standards. However, because of Canon's choice here, there is no, "filI your boots with 60p" option. And for some, that means they'll need a b-cam to cover their bases or even an all-in-one with more overall choice.

So, with the modern camera market as it stands, this still makes me question the 50p choice here. It's like it was designed for the market of 5-10 years ago. For the price, it really should have 60p.

P.s. I'm well aware of light flicker as I made a rookie mistake last year and forgot to change my frame-rate to 25 instead of 30. Flickering lights are never a pretty sight!
The GX10 is either PAL or NTSC, but you can't switch between them. This is the PAL version (Legria) so it's frame rates are 25p/50p. You can buy the American version (Vixia) which is NTSC which has 30p/60p but you don't have the option of switching it to PAL. Most cameras these days let you switch between PAL and NTSC.
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MarkJamieson25/02/2020 06:36

The GX10 is either PAL or NTSC, but you can't switch between them. This is …The GX10 is either PAL or NTSC, but you can't switch between them. This is the PAL version (Legria) so it's frame rates are 25p/50p. You can buy the American version (Vixia) which is NTSC which has 30p/60p but you don't have the option of switching it to PAL. Most cameras these days let you switch between PAL and NTSC.


Our 1998 camcorder also had this kind of option
imdurc25/02/2020 02:29

I've done videography work, so, I'm well aware of the these standards. …I've done videography work, so, I'm well aware of the these standards. However, because of Canon's choice here, there is no, "filI your boots with 60p" option. And for some, that means they'll need a b-cam to cover their bases or even an all-in-one with more overall choice.So, with the modern camera market as it stands, this still makes me question the 50p choice here. It's like it was designed for the market of 5-10 years ago. For the price, it really should have 60p.P.s. I'm well aware of light flicker as I made a rookie mistake last year and forgot to change my frame-rate to 25 instead of 30. Flickering lights are never a pretty sight!


Ah yeah, you are correct - Canon have locked these models to either PAL or NTSC depending on the region of purchase. Very odd decision!

The firmware might be hackable but I haven't looked and that's risky...

That's unlucky when you forgot to switch! Not easy to recover from that.

I'd say that if anyone wants this camera it is still better to have PAL than NTSC in this country. It shoots 100fps in HD so that can still upscale pretty well and could be slowed further in editing software with a decent interpolation algorithm such as optical flow.
Personally it's not a camera for me, I like interchangeable lens systems. That way your investment in glass doesn't go to waste when you decide you want new features like higher frame rates that new camera bodies offer.
All UK TV material will either be shot at 50i or 25P. Newer cameras will shoot at 4K50P. You don't want to be using 60fps in the UK or Europe as it will strobe with most mains lighting so you will get banding on screen. I use various Panasonic DSLRs to shoot video and always go for 25P for the final master render. Avoid 60/30/24P unless you need to deliver video to the USA/Japan.
No triple ccd?
Bought 2 for bedroom action.
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energy80s25/02/2020 08:53

All UK TV material will either be shot at 50i or 25P. Newer cameras will …All UK TV material will either be shot at 50i or 25P. Newer cameras will shoot at 4K50P. You don't want to be using 60fps in the UK or Europe as it will strobe with most mains lighting so you will get banding on screen. I use various Panasonic DSLRs to shoot video and always go for 25P for the final master render. Avoid 60/30/24P unless you need to deliver video to the USA/Japan.


TV yes.

And if you're shooting for internet / phone ? Anyway, it would just be nice if the camera manufacturers did not limit you in choice so you don't need to have multiple cameras .. at 1500 a pop. I wouldn't "avoid 60P" unless I were shooting for TV, and if I were shooting for TV i'd most likely not be using a £1500 cannon camcorder.

One that lets you pick the framerate, and goes high and low is better than one that says nah mate, 50P only. Besides overcranking is a thing too. The camera I posted a link to will do both 60P and 50P as well as lower rates and it's cheaper than this deal ... also banding/flickering can be resolved instantly by setting the shutter speed correctly.
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