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Carrera Axle - £189.00 with discount code SPEND combined with British Cycling 10% off @ Halfords
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Carrera Axle - £189.00 with discount code SPEND combined with British Cycling 10% off @ Halfords

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Posted 4th Jul
Not the lowest it's been, but lowest for a couple of months and it looks like a nice bike! Nice weight, and it looks cool. Yep, that's the extent of my cycling knowledge. It looks pretty.
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How do you get it to £189? Also CYCLING15 is 15% off instead of the 10%
rdajackson04/07/2019 11:51

How do you get it to £189? Also CYCLING15 is 15% off instead of the 10%


Ah I've noticed my mistake there. But how do you add the british cycling discount?
rdajackson04/07/2019 11:52

Ah I've noticed my mistake there. But how do you add the british cycling …Ah I've noticed my mistake there. But how do you add the british cycling discount?


Hey! Apologies, I should have mentioned, when you collect the bike, show the discount coupon for British Cycling at the till!
I haven't been cycling for 20 years but am keen to start again. Is this a decent first bike? I guess it's loads better that a borrowed mountain bike from a quarter of a century ago but would I be selling myself short?

I figured £350 would be a good budget but if I can spent less or need to spend more I would appreciate a steer in the right direction.

Thanks for this post by the way, it gives me somewhere to start my research.
fleagal04/07/2019 11:56

I haven't been cycling for 20 years but am keen to start again. Is this a …I haven't been cycling for 20 years but am keen to start again. Is this a decent first bike? I guess it's loads better that a borrowed mountain bike from a quarter of a century ago but would I be selling myself short? I figured £350 would be a good budget but if I can spent less or need to spend more I would appreciate a steer in the right direction.Thanks for this post by the way, it gives me somewhere to start my research.


I started commuting to work a couple of months ago. Anything with 2 wheels works. For example, I have a sub-£100 Apollo that is actually rather nice for my short 5 mile commute! To answer your question, this definitely seems like a decent bike, it's a light hybrid, and it's definitely worth more!
? DO YOU HAVE TO JOIN BRITISH CYCLING TO GET THE VOUCHER
sunnyhot04/07/2019 12:10

? DO YOU HAVE TO JOIN BRITISH CYCLING TO GET THE VOUCHER


Yessir, but it is free with a HSBC current account.
Where are the pushbike police?

Normally they would be here by now ranting on about how useless they think this bike is!
Seems reasonable for a starter/budget commuter bike.
Worth having commute membership of British Cycling for the liability insurance these days.
Cyclist who knocked over woman on phone must pay up to £100,000

theguardian.com/wor…ard
If you have a BLUE LIGHT CARD you can get 10% off in store.
winningchip04/07/2019 12:18

Where are the pushbike police?Normally they would be here by now ranting …Where are the pushbike police?Normally they would be here by now ranting on about how useless they think this bike is!


TBH, I will admit that some are rather obnoxious, but some do make considered remarks, and in some cases point us less-enlightened beings to cheaper options.
ArthurDent104/07/2019 12:18

Seems reasonable for a starter/budget commuter bike.Worth having commute …Seems reasonable for a starter/budget commuter bike.Worth having commute membership of British Cycling for the liability insurance these days.Cyclist who knocked over woman on phone must pay up to £100,000https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/21/cyclist-crashed-into-woman-mobile-phone-pay-compensation-london?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard


This was an unfortunate case, the chap didn't counter-claim and some are inferring (even in the rather close-knit cycling community) that from the details reported, he may have been partly liable.
ArthurDent104/07/2019 12:18

Seems reasonable for a starter/budget commuter bike.Worth having commute …Seems reasonable for a starter/budget commuter bike.Worth having commute membership of British Cycling for the liability insurance these days.Cyclist who knocked over woman on phone must pay up to £100,000https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/21/cyclist-crashed-into-woman-mobile-phone-pay-compensation-london?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard


This was an unfortunate case, the chap didn't counter-claim and some are inferring (even in the rather close-knit cycling community) that from the details reported, he may have been partly liable.
fleagal04/07/2019 11:56

I haven't been cycling for 20 years but am keen to start again. Is this a …I haven't been cycling for 20 years but am keen to start again. Is this a decent first bike? I guess it's loads better that a borrowed mountain bike from a quarter of a century ago but would I be selling myself short? I figured £350 would be a good budget but if I can spent less or need to spend more I would appreciate a steer in the right direction.Thanks for this post by the way, it gives me somewhere to start my research.


the carrera subway at 300 is a better bike
easyphones04/07/2019 12:30

Of course, …Of course, but:https://www.rutlandcycling.com/bikes/road-bikes/giant-propel-advanced-pro-2-2018-carbon-road-bike-blue_381970?currency=GBP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2b6x6pSb4wIVFvhRCh1fww5fEAYYAiABEgKM0_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.dsThis, at £1,800, is even better.


That's not really comparable to this bike anyway, as a road bike, this is a hybrid so in fact the Subway could be a much better bike than that £1,800 bike depending on how you use the bike.

This Axle has a low end freewheel based drivetrain which will need more frequent maintenance and replacement parts it also makes the bike much slower as freewheels have much larger small cogs, 14T compared to 11T or 12T of a cassette.

Subway has the following benefits;

Faster
Better brakes
Stronger
Less frequent maintenance
Better off road
Better on road
Faster, sharper gear shifting
More gears for more optimal cycling
Better for stunts and jumps if you like that sort of thing
Can be used as a full on rigid mountain bike
Copes better with rain
Could be used for a touring bike
Allows much more customisation later on, i.e. you could fit a different cassette and convert to a 1x setup if you wanted to.

The Axle is basically a compromised Subway to reach a price point, it's broadly similar but uses a drivetrain which is pretty much the same as found on sub £100 bikes. If you can afford it, its definitely worth the upgrade to a Subway and it could save you money down the line especially if you rely on bike shops to do your maintenance.

I bought a cheap Axle frame off ebay, its a really good frame, nicely made, good welds etc but I will be configuring it more like a Subway except I have to use V brakes because of lack of disc mounts. Not knocking the Axle at all just feel the small upgrade in price will mean a bike that will throw up less problems and be used more often.
lumsdot04/07/2019 12:28

the carrera subway at 300 is a better bike


It's it worth the extra £100? Serious question, I'm planning to buy bike and have a budget of £200-£350, and willing to spend rather less than more because my commute is not that long and the bike theft is rather high
Edited by: "bnwubnfguisr" 4th Jul
bonzobanana04/07/2019 13:31

That's not really comparable to this bike anyway, as a road bike, this is …That's not really comparable to this bike anyway, as a road bike, this is a hybrid so in fact the Subway could be a much better bike than that £1,800 bike depending on how you use the bike.This Axle has a low end freewheel based drivetrain which will need more frequent maintenance and replacement parts it also makes the bike much slower as freewheels have much larger small cogs, 14T compared to 11T or 12T of a cassette. Subway has the following benefits;FasterBetter brakesStrongerLess frequent maintenanceBetter off roadBetter on roadFaster, sharper gear shiftingMore gears for more optimal cyclingBetter for stunts and jumps if you like that sort of thingCan be used as a full on rigid mountain bikeCopes better with rainCould be used for a touring bikeAllows much more customisation later on, i.e. you could fit a different cassette and convert to a 1x setup if you wanted to.The Axle is basically a compromised Subway to reach a price point, it's broadly similar but uses a drivetrain which is pretty much the same as found on sub £100 bikes. If you can afford it, its definitely worth the upgrade to a Subway and it could save you money down the line especially if you rely on bike shops to do your maintenance.I bought a cheap Axle frame off ebay, its a really good frame, nicely made, good welds etc but I will be configuring it more like a Subway except I have to use V brakes because of lack of disc mounts. Not knocking the Axle at all just feel the small upgrade in price will mean a bike that will throw up less problems and be used more often.


Mr Banana, I think my attempt at sarcasm may have fallen flat. On a side-note, I do appreciate your critiques on these bikes, they are very useful.
bnwubnfguisr04/07/2019 13:42

It's it worth the extra £100? Serious question, I'm planning to buy bike …It's it worth the extra £100? Serious question, I'm planning to buy bike and have a budget of £200-£350, and willing to spend rather less than more because my commute is not that long and the bike theft is rather high


With the discount jujitsu the Subway is £234, so only £45 more. How long is your commute?
easyphones04/07/2019 13:44

Mr Banana, I think my attempt at sarcasm may have fallen flat. On a …Mr Banana, I think my attempt at sarcasm may have fallen flat. On a side-note, I do appreciate your critiques on these bikes, they are very useful.


I understood the tone of your comment but was just making the point even at £1,800 it wasn't necessarily a better bike, it's like stating a Mazda MX-5 is better than a Toyota pickup truck it's all down to use.
bnwubnfguisr04/07/2019 13:42

It's it worth the extra £100? Serious question, I'm planning to buy bike …It's it worth the extra £100? Serious question, I'm planning to buy bike and have a budget of £200-£350, and willing to spend rather less than more because my commute is not that long and the bike theft is rather high


Just buy a cheap s/hand bike for a tenner and convert it to a simple 1x fixed gear setup. Keeps it reliable and most thieves don't know how to ride fixed gear bikes. Keep a good bike for weekend rides etc. No point supplying money to your local drug dealers by offering up nice bikes for their addicts to steal. Always have the nastiest grungiest bike in the bike rack, that way it will always be there and you won't be walking home. You don't want to be in a situation where you are constantly stressed about your bike being stolen, A £10 bike probably pays for itself if it lasts for 2 return journeys compared to the cost of driving to work but such a bike could last months or even years. I know it sounds like you are letting the thieves win but of course to the thieves themselves they are seriously peeved they haven't got a decent bike they can steal to pay for a fix so you are making them much more miserable rather than you being miserable when your bike is stolen. As long as you aren't a bike snob and need to ride something that looks expensive for your own status it makes more sense to just get a cheap bike if there is a high risk of theft.
bonzobanana04/07/2019 14:04

I understood the tone of your comment but was just making the point even …I understood the tone of your comment but was just making the point even at £1,800 it wasn't necessarily a better bike, it's like stating a Mazda MX-5 is better than a Toyota pickup truck it's all down to use.


Duly noted Now, into the Subway, were you referring to the Subway 1, or Subway 2? Also, how does this Axle compare to this:

hotukdeals.com/dea…708


I believe you were rather fond of this, so Marin Vs Axle please?
easyphones04/07/2019 14:53

Duly noted Now, into the Subway, were you referring to the Subway 1, …Duly noted Now, into the Subway, were you referring to the Subway 1, or Subway 2? Also, how does this Axle compare to this:https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/marin-larkspur-cs1-2019-at-chain-reaction-3249708I believe you were rather fond of this, so Marin Vs Axle please?


I'd take the Marin over the Axle due to having a freehub based drivetrain but see the Subway as superior. For me personally I think the Subway 1 is good enough. For a commuting bike mechanical disc brakes are fine and easy to adjust and service. The Subway is really a rigid mountain bike. All its major components are mountain bike quality/strength and if you are actually buying it as a rigid mountain bike and plan to use it off road I would go with the Subway 2 because of the hydraulic disc brakes but either model is good and you can upgrade the Subway 1 later if you want to. If you were going to use the bike for touring and long commuting I personally would go with mechanical disc brakes. I think many would disagree and just say pay the extra for hydraulic disc brakes which perform better but I like the simplicity of cables meaning just about any brake problem can be fixed with minimal tools however far away from home you are.
bonzobanana04/07/2019 17:32

I'd take the Marin over the Axle due to having a freehub based drivetrain …I'd take the Marin over the Axle due to having a freehub based drivetrain but see the Subway as superior. For me personally I think the Subway 1 is good enough. For a commuting bike mechanical disc brakes are fine and easy to adjust and service. The Subway is really a rigid mountain bike. All its major components are mountain bike quality/strength and if you are actually buying it as a rigid mountain bike and plan to use it off road I would go with the Subway 2 because of the hydraulic disc brakes but either model is good and you can upgrade the Subway 1 later if you want to. If you were going to use the bike for touring and long commuting I personally would go with mechanical disc brakes. I think many would disagree and just say pay the extra for hydraulic disc brakes which perform better but I like the simplicity of cables meaning just about any brake problem can be fixed with minimal tools however far away from home you are.



As always, your advice is very useful. I ordered both and agree with you on the Marin, it's just the Axle looks nicer, however, I'll probably be sensible and stick with the Marin, thanks very much!
What do you think of the vengeance at £260, I’m torn between itself and the hellcat, not sure if there’s much difference?
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