Carrera Crossfire-E Mens Electric Bike - 17", 19", 21" Frames £1000 @ Halfords
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Carrera Crossfire-E Mens Electric Bike - 17", 19", 21" Frames £1000 @ Halfords

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Found 21st Mar
I've been looking for an e-bike and this one has been on here before for £960 but I missed out but it's now £250 off at the moment.
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Here is my tip, and I know it is more money, but my god it is worth it... get the Oxygen S-Cross or Oxygen Mountain bike...

£1399 for S-Cross or £1499 for their mountain bike


not only can you de restrict them using a code on display (12) so you can then go 24 mph the quality is outstanding...

i tried them them all and ended up getting a Oxygen as you will notice when you have a 15mph restricted bike it gets very frustrating...

or or blow the budget and get the Bosch crank driven bike and derestrict that (cost you 150 for the parts to derestrict) but you can then go 30 mph

the shop I got it from had never seen one, mine come in and he sold 3 that week whilst he was waiting for me to collect, he said he had a guy from Raleigh come in and he said he simply does not know how they built the bike to sell at £1400
Edited by: "Aeschylus" 21st Mar
Aeschylus12 m ago

Here is my tip, and I know it is more money, but my god it is worth it... …Here is my tip, and I know it is more money, but my god it is worth it... get the Oxygen S-Cross or Oxygen Mountain bike...£1399 for S-Cross or £1499 for their mountain bikenot only can you de restrict them using a code on display (12) so you can then go 24 mph the quality is outstanding...i tried them them all and ended up getting a Oxygen as you will notice when you have a 15mph restricted bike it gets very frustrating...or or blow the budget and get the Bosch crank driven bike and derestrict that (cost you 150 for the parts to derestrict) but you can then go 30 mphthe shop I got it from had never seen one, mine come in and he sold 3 that week whilst he was waiting for me to collect, he said he had a guy from Raleigh come in and he said he simply does not know how they built the bike to sell at £1400


Is it also reasonable to state that if you derestrict and then use on a public road, it is illegal?
M_z7 m ago

Is it also reasonable to state that if you derestrict and then use on a …Is it also reasonable to state that if you derestrict and then use on a public road, it is illegal?


Yes, but in all honesty people get caught up on this.... you can barely get the cops to come out if you have been burgled, do you really think they give a toss to stand there and try to speed check a bike...no they won’t

onviously if you ride like a prat and run someone over at 25mph and kill them then you are in trouble.... that is true riding an electric bike or normal bike though. in my experience 25 is crazy stupid on a path, on the road it feels slow.... just because it can go 25 does not mean you have to...

all I know every bike I tested that cut out at 15 was so frustrating, it is just not fast enough
Edited by: "Aeschylus" 21st Mar
Aeschylus5 m ago

Yes, but in all honesty people get caught up on this.... you can barely …Yes, but in all honesty people get caught up on this.... you can barely get the cops to come out if you have been burgled, do you really think they give a toss to stand there and try to speed check a bike...no they won’t onviously if you ride like a prat and run someone over at 25mph and kill them then you are in trouble.... that is true riding an electric bike or normal bike though. in my experience 25 is crazy stupid on a path, on the road it feels slow.... just because it can go 25 does not mean you have to...all I know every bike I tested that cut out at 15 was so frustrating, it is just not fast enough


where did you buy your oxygen bike from?
Aeschylus15 m ago

Yes, but in all honesty people get caught up on this.... you can barely …Yes, but in all honesty people get caught up on this.... you can barely get the cops to come out if you have been burgled, do you really think they give a toss to stand there and try to speed check a bike...no they won’t onviously if you ride like a prat and run someone over at 25mph and kill them then you are in trouble.... that is true riding an electric bike or normal bike though. in my experience 25 is crazy stupid on a path, on the road it feels slow.... just because it can go 25 does not mean you have to...all I know every bike I tested that cut out at 15 was so frustrating, it is just not fast enough


I hear what you are saying, but plenty of drivers also think speed limits on roads are way too low for them, and also reason that they'll probably get away with it. Seems you'd be on sticky ground if berating motorists for dangerous driving while encouraging illegal unrestricting of electric bikes.
888eyeball11 m ago

where did you buy your oxygen bike from?


Funny story and I received the most amazing customer service, I tried my local bike shop but they refused to let me test drive one, so I email Oxygen... in 2 hours I got a phone call from the M.D. (no joke) he was seething

he called the shop and give them what for, and he said if they still did not help I could get the train to Rotherham and I could have one for trade price (1250) but he prefers people to buy local as he offered a full 2 year warranty and it is better for people to do the warranty locally than bring it to Rotherham all the time...

so so I went back to the shop after they had a angry md on phone, was giving a test ride... unrestricted it on the test ride, fell in love... but did not want to give my custom to them, so went to my next bike shop and asked them to order me one in, which they did...

you can buy them online but as the M.D. said it is easier if anything goes wrong to have a local bike shop do the repairs and oxygen pay them, as long as they bought the bike in for you. Mine was a shop called surf 55 in Norfolk
M_z2 m ago

I hear what you are saying, but plenty of drivers also think speed limits …I hear what you are saying, but plenty of drivers also think speed limits on roads are way too low for them, and also reason that they'll probably get away with it. Seems you'd be on sticky ground if berating motorists for dangerous driving while encouraging illegal unrestricting of electric bikes.


Just try one and come and tell me if you think 15 mph is not frustrating....20mph is perfect
Aeschylus3 m ago

Just try one and come and tell me if you think 15 mph is not …Just try one and come and tell me if you think 15 mph is not frustrating....20mph is perfect


I'm sure you are right - but its not the point though, is it? I might think driving at 100mph on a quiet motorway in good weather conditions is perfect too, doesn't mean its OK to do.
M_z12 m ago

I'm sure you are right - but its not the point though, is it? I might …I'm sure you are right - but its not the point though, is it? I might think driving at 100mph on a quiet motorway in good weather conditions is perfect too, doesn't mean its OK to do.


Nope, the crucial difference is the cops will do you for that... no cop can tell the difference between 15 and 20 on a bike....

and like i said it removes the frustration of the motor cutting out, in town biking you don’t get anywhere near the 24 mph, like buying a car and they software restrict it to 60, would never be allowed yet they do it on bikes

there is no right or wrong answer, and if you go on peddlecs forum it is just like here, posters who get very upset when people derestrict bikes and those who derestrict it is a must...it is a personal choice

and no one has been able to derestrict the Carrera as yet, Halfords have locked it down tight
Edited by: "Aeschylus" 21st Mar
Aeschylus1 h, 0 m ago

...or or blow the budget and get the Bosch crank driven bike


I'd suggest that, if you're thinking of spending upwards of 1400 on an electric MTB, you steer (no pun intended) well clear of anything that has a hub mounted motor. They simply aren't robust enough to stand the rigours of off-road use over a prolonged period. Crank motors are the only sensible option for off road use. I got a top quality Haibike MTB with a Bosch setup in a sale last year for 1600, so it is possible to get a good deal on something that will last.
Edited by: "Jeezeypeeps" 21st Mar
M_z21 m ago

I'm sure you are right - but its not the point though, is it? I might …I'm sure you are right - but its not the point though, is it? I might think driving at 100mph on a quiet motorway in good weather conditions is perfect too, doesn't mean its OK to do.


I derestricted my electric bike because the jerking caused by the electric motor dropping out got really annoying.
There is no bicycle speed limit, that isn't the issue. As a restricted electric bike will cut at at 14mph but I can continue peddling and cycle at 25mph and not be breaking the law
15mph ones feel a bit lacking 20-25mph is nice it has more torque for hills and 20-25 is around what most people can get to on a flat just pedalling anyway so it doesn't feel absurdly fast

apparently Europe is considering changing the laws to allow 30mph ebikes but might have some mandatory requirements like wearing a motorcycle helmet etc I dont know the details as I have not really read into it much.
M_z27 m ago

I'm sure you are right - but its not the point though, is it? I might …I'm sure you are right - but its not the point though, is it? I might think driving at 100mph on a quiet motorway in good weather conditions is perfect too, doesn't mean its OK to do.


unless you are in germany then 250mph is okay
goemon8 m ago

15mph ones feel a bit lacking 20-25mph is nice it has more torque for …15mph ones feel a bit lacking 20-25mph is nice it has more torque for hills and 20-25 is around what most people can get to on a flat just pedalling anyway so it doesn't feel absurdly fastapparently Europe is considering changing the laws to allow 30mph ebikes but might have some mandatory requirements like wearing a motorcycle helmet etc I dont know the details as I have not really read into it much.



Allready available in Germany, Bosch do one... you have to wear bike helmets and not allowed in bike lanes or paths
Edited by: "Aeschylus" 21st Mar
Jeezeypeeps16 m ago

I'd suggest that, if you're thinking of spending upwards of 1400 on an …I'd suggest that, if you're thinking of spending upwards of 1400 on an electric MTB, you steer (no pun intended) well clear of anything that has a hub mounted motor. They simply aren't robust enough to stand the rigours of off-road use over a prolonged period. Crank motors are the only sensible option for off road use. I got a top quality Haibike MTB with a Bosch setup in a sale last year for 1600, so it is possible to get a good deal on something that will last.


I love the Bosch ones, test rode the Halfords Bosch at £1600, had I not needed to spend another £150 to derestrict it and Bosch are apprantely super aggressive with warranty issues if it has been derestricted for warranty claims...

which bought me to me to my second reason spares etc, after 2 years finding spares for my Hub bike will be a damn site easier and cheaper than if the Bosch goes wrong... so for that reason I stayed away, but I loved the Bike with the Bosch crank...beautiful ride
Edited by: "Aeschylus" 21st Mar
Aeschylus41 m ago

Just try one and come and tell me if you think 15 mph is not …Just try one and come and tell me if you think 15 mph is not frustrating....20mph is perfect


I have to agree, I built my own ebike converting a secondhand Raleigh MTB and it cost me £350 in total. 48 volt 1000w motor, 21.5ah battery made from recycled 18650 cells from old laptop batteries. The trick here is if your bike isn't legal just peddle all the time, then nobody thinks you have illegal power. If you fancy having a go at building your own then check out this website: - ebikeschool.com/ I enjoyed building it as much as riding it. The best thing about having the extra power is that you do not lose momentum on hilly bits and cars aren't pushing past you all the time.
any really discreet e-bikes? fancy recreating this

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M_z1 h, 14 m ago

I'm sure you are right - but its not the point though, is it? I might …I'm sure you are right - but its not the point though, is it? I might think driving at 100mph on a quiet motorway in good weather conditions is perfect too, doesn't mean its OK to do.


What is right and what is legal differ greatly. That is why the law changes often. Since a cyclist can go at 30mph without a motor, I see no reason why they should be limited to 15mph with one (and they effectively are, above that speed the motor cuts out and you have many extra kilos of dead weight).
CampGareth14 m ago

What is right and what is legal differ greatly. That is why the law …What is right and what is legal differ greatly. That is why the law changes often. Since a cyclist can go at 30mph without a motor, I see no reason why they should be limited to 15mph with one (and they effectively are, above that speed the motor cuts out and you have many extra kilos of dead weight).


Yeah, but why would an electric bike that can do 30mph be different to a 50cc moped, that does the same?
M_z13 m ago

Yeah, but why would an electric bike that can do 30mph be different to a …Yeah, but why would an electric bike that can do 30mph be different to a 50cc moped, that does the same?


They shouldn't be, but we don't have 30mph electric bikes. We have 15mph electric bikes or mopeds and nothing in between, at least as far as the law is concerned. Now if the S-pedelec category came over here and was basically a moped but with lighter regulations at least we'd have some legal course to get faster ebikes.

Why lighter regulations you ask? A moped weighs up to 350kg, an ebike generally weighs up to 25kg so can cause less damage in a crash. Make helmets mandatory if you like but insurance either shouldn't be a requirement or should be far cheaper than moped insurance.
CampGareth4 m ago

They shouldn't be, but we don't have 30mph electric bikes. We have 15mph …They shouldn't be, but we don't have 30mph electric bikes. We have 15mph electric bikes or mopeds and nothing in between, at least as far as the law is concerned. Now if the S-pedelec category came over here and was basically a moped but with lighter regulations at least we'd have some legal course to get faster ebikes. Why lighter regulations you ask? A moped weighs up to 350kg, an ebike generally weighs up to 25kg so can cause less damage in a crash. Make helmets mandatory if you like but insurance either shouldn't be a requirement or should be far cheaper than moped insurance.


I think some sort of visible registration plate that is recorded against a registered owner would be a good idea too.
Yes i agree 15mph feels like your held back
I bought a woosh bike and alterd the speed on the computer - very simple
- simple to change back aswell - if need be
Goes up any hill without a sweat
Dont buy a hub moter - you need a middrive
Cost more ,but you wont regret iit
I think we should beware what we wish for.
If loads of derestricted e-bikes get on the roads, the government will act to tax and regulate them. Here comes expense, training and safety equipment. Compulsory 3rd. party insurance? Yup, that as well. Cycling is losing a bit of its worthy image recently and fast e-bikes won't help.
I have the Carrera e-bike (which I am very pleased with) and am not bothered much by the 15mph limit simply because it makes me pedal, which is good exercise, which was the point of getting a bike in the first place. In an ideal world, I think 18-20 would make life a bit easier, but it is what it is! I had a thought riding my Carrera down a long steep hill at 38mph indicated, if I come off this thing now, its really going to hurt! T-shirt, plastic and foam helmet, it ain't goning to do much to save you!
goemon3 h, 19 m ago

15mph ones feel a bit lacking 20-25mph is nice it has more torque for …15mph ones feel a bit lacking 20-25mph is nice it has more torque for hills and 20-25 is around what most people can get to on a flat just pedalling anyway so it doesn't feel absurdly fastapparently Europe is considering changing the laws to allow 30mph ebikes but might have some mandatory requirements like wearing a motorcycle helmet etc I dont know the details as I have not really read into it much.



I'm not sure who these "most" people who are cycling round on mountain bikes at 20-25mph. I only manage those kind of speeds on a road bike.

I think "most" people only manage half that.

If 15mph is too slow then keep pedaling! Chances are you were not going that fast before on your normal mountain bike.
I bought one of the Erider EAPC scooters at xmas and can confirm the restricted speed is way too slow for traffic. I would even go as far to say its darn dangerous.

Luckily the Erider kicks up to 43kmh when you use the pedals which is enough to deal with junctions, roundabouts, etc..
Edited by: "pimpMe" 21st Mar
Aeschylus6 h, 36 m ago

Funny story and I received the most amazing customer service, I tried my …Funny story and I received the most amazing customer service, I tried my local bike shop but they refused to let me test drive one, so I email Oxygen... in 2 hours I got a phone call from the M.D. (no joke) he was seethinghe called the shop and give them what for, and he said if they still did not help I could get the train to Rotherham and I could have one for trade price (1250) but he prefers people to buy local as he offered a full 2 year warranty and it is better for people to do the warranty locally than bring it to Rotherham all the time...so so I went back to the shop after they had a angry md on phone, was giving a test ride... unrestricted it on the test ride, fell in love... but did not want to give my custom to them, so went to my next bike shop and asked them to order me one in, which they did...you can buy them online but as the M.D. said it is easier if anything goes wrong to have a local bike shop do the repairs and oxygen pay them, as long as they bought the bike in for you. Mine was a shop called surf 55 in Norfolk


Thanks for the information regarding the Oxygen bikes. I am, or was, a very keen cyclist for well over 40 years, but due to a knackered back I am not as able as I once was. Have spent many hours today researching electric bikes, and your suggestion is certainly worth considering. But I had a chuckle at your comment about a 'test drive', test ride maybe. Haha. Think your need for speed made you think you were driving a car, and not riding a bike.
Ha ha...all I would say is ride as many as possible before deciding
tintowellfan13 m ago

Thanks for the information regarding the Oxygen bikes. I am, or was, a …Thanks for the information regarding the Oxygen bikes. I am, or was, a very keen cyclist for well over 40 years, but due to a knackered back I am not as able as I once was. Have spent many hours today researching electric bikes, and your suggestion is certainly worth considering. But I had a chuckle at your comment about a 'test drive', test ride maybe. Haha. Think your need for speed made you think you were driving a car, and not riding a bike.

Go on the Pedalecs forum and search for carrera crossfire and then see how many users say how many problems they have. Well known for cutting out. Long standing issue never been resolved.
GAVINLEWISHUKD10 h, 9 m ago

I'm not sure who these "most" people who are cycling round on mountain …I'm not sure who these "most" people who are cycling round on mountain bikes at 20-25mph. I only manage those kind of speeds on a road bike.I think "most" people only manage half that.If 15mph is too slow then keep pedaling! Chances are you were not going that fast before on your normal mountain bike.


who said mountain bike? why are you only seeing what you want to see instead of reading whats written like to fabricate reality?
I was just saying that a reasonably fit person can reach those kinds of speeds on a flat I did not say maintain that for any length of time no other information was provided you made assumptions most people that are into cycling know that those are the kinds of speeds the average person can achieve on a flat and instead of getting some data you just compare the world to yourself are you the baseline for humanity?

on almost any bike with low rolling resistance tyres and a reasonable number of gears (including mountain bikes) most solo male riders can manage 20mph on a flat solo women usually a little bit slower, in a paceline you can add at least 5mph to that (all of this assumes no wind in any direction).

If we were talking average speed over an extended distance including terrain then it would depend on many more factors like rider weight and maintainable power output for that rider and the amount of climbing and descending involved in the sample which makes it mostly pointless to speculate as there are too many factors.

but on a flat the main factors involved are aerodynamic drag and rolling resistance so its much easier to speculate on for average riders.
Where can I find this de restrict code
Matthew_Parlett2 h, 18 m ago

Where can I find this de restrict code


You can’t for this bike, The Carrera has never been derestricted
This was a good deal with the extra 10% off the other day, but £1000 is probably a fair price rather than spectacular. At the £1250 RRP, there are better bikes available.
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