Carrera Subway 1 Mens Hybrid Bike - 18", 20", 22" Frames £240 at Halfords
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Carrera Subway 1 Mens Hybrid Bike - 18", 20", 22" Frames £240 at Halfords

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Found 9th Feb
The Carrera Subway 1 Mens Hybrid Bike is the ideal for fast riding around town and on smoother trails. With easy to use 24 speed Shimano gearing your effort for building speed will be minimised on all terrains, and paired with a lightweight aluminium frame you can quickly and efficiently ride to your destination
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Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved over the last few years?
knobbly18 m ago

Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved …Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved over the last few years?


I think Boardman bikes are OK
knobbly1 h, 9 m ago

Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved …Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved over the last few years?


Carrera bikes have a decent reputation for the price. I bought one of these a couple of years ago for a little less than this, and while I don’t use it regularly, it has been fine when I have.:{
Main weakness is the wheels/wheel spokes.

Note, all Halfords brand bikes have a max load of 120Kg; this is NOT the max rider weight, but the TOTAL weight of rider, bike and any luggage. A lot of them look like they can take a lot more, but the warranty only covers to 120Kg.

(you really have to dig around to find this out, even the staff wont tell you).
The model down from this one, the Carrera Axle, is just £180. Main differences are it has 21 gears vs 24 and V-Brakes vs Disc.

halfords.com/cyc…xle
Edited by: "Muig1972" 10th Feb
Muig197259 m ago

The model down from this one, the Carrera Axle, is just £180. Main …The model down from this one, the Carrera Axle, is just £180. Main differences are it has 7 gears vs 8 and V-Brakes vs Disc.http://www.halfords.com/cycling/bikes/hybrid-bikes/carrera-axle-mens-hybrid-bike-grey-16-18-20-frames?_br_psugg_q=carrera+axle


What about the brakes
knobbly5 h, 58 m ago

Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved …Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved over the last few years?


Carrera bikes are pretty decent to be honest , u can't really go wrong unless u purchase a right bottom end Carrera and even then it should do the basics reasonably enough.
knobbly14 h, 31 m ago

Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved …Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved over the last few years?


Apollo awful, Carrera OK, Boardman excellent. With any of them it's luck of the draw how your local Halfords builds them though!
Halfords changing parts for cheaper without any warning or information. Worst company I have to deal with.
Is it worth getting their bike care plan?

Bought a bike and was offered a 6 & 12 month bike 'servicing' for £30 - should I take it?
Gentle_Giant17 h, 6 m ago

Main weakness is the wheels/wheel spokes.Note, all Halfords brand bikes …Main weakness is the wheels/wheel spokes.Note, all Halfords brand bikes have a max load of 120Kg; this is NOT the max rider weight, but the TOTAL weight of rider, bike and any luggage. A lot of them look like they can take a lot more, but the warranty only covers to 120Kg.(you really have to dig around to find this out, even the staff wont tell you).


Pretty sure that isn't true. Not the 120kg limit but the claim that is the total weight including bike and luggage. Only Decathlon/Btwin add the weight of the bike in. It's not something the bike standard ever suggests because its confusing to the end consumer, its just a way of inflating the capacity for those bikes that have weaker frames. My Carrera Subway has a max rider weight of 136kg although admittedly its quite old now and this falls in line with most bike brands that have 136kg/300lbs for mountain bikes and hybrids and 120kg for performance bikes, road bikes etc.

It doesn't take a genius to see the Carrera frame has a strengthening gusset under the top of the downtube and strengthening of the seat tube and top tube which you will not see on many btwin bikes for example which have the much lower weight limits and can have a sub 80kg rider weight limit.

btwin.com/not…pdf

If halfords have moved to 120kg now for such bikes as the Subway then they would surely have to clearly state it as its below the recommendations of the bike standard of 136kg rider weight. Also they can hardly complain about people being over the weight limit if they have not supplied a weight limit.

Again the structural weight limit given does not include the bike weight. You don't include the weight of the bridge when you state its maximum load that is only a btwin thing which is a company that has a history of frame failures.

Also Carrera frame failure despite their huge sales in the UK seems to be extremely rare and a typical Carrera frame will be heavier than a btwin frame for example probably mainly due to the extra strengthening which can be clearly seen on the frame itself and is an additional cost to halfords (they must surely take frame strength seriously).

However if in doubt and close to the weight limits then maybe consider another bike, 136kg/300lbs is actually a very common limit as such bikes are conforming with the recommendation of the EN/ISO standard. You'll find Specialized, Trek, Giant etc are all at this limit for their mountain bikes and hybrid bikes. Giant actually allow luggage/accessory capacity on top going to 160kg and a lifetime guarantee but others include luggage/accessories as part of the 136kg.

If you want more information on weight limits the Giant standard manual is excellent. Lots of great information plus lots of info on weight limits based on the standard.

giant-bicycles.com/_up…pdf

Even cheap as chips Falcon bicycles which would be equivalent to Halfords Apollo range are at the same weight limit.

falconcycles.co.uk/wp-…pdf

If Halfords are claiming 120kg maybe they are allowing 16kg for luggage and acessories, I don't know. Bit disappointed if they have downgraded their weight limit but there is nothing on their site to indicate any weight limit nowadays. Same is true of Go Outdoors. At least btwin tell you clearly of their low weight limits in their manuals so you know to avoid them if you are heavier.

Actually by some miracle, they don't make it easy to find I've found their absolute maximum weight limit is 160kg but they apply this to all adult bikes including racing bikes which are normally significantly weaker than mountain bikes and hybrids.

halfords.com/wcs…pdf

That's actually a very good weight limit effectively twice that of many btwin bikes and so no surprise halfords frame failures are so low.
knobbly19 h, 59 m ago

Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved …Curious. Are Halfords bikes still utter crap BSO's? Or have they improved over the last few years?


I guess the Apollo models were and still are but the Carrera, Boardman and Voodoo models are actually massively superior to many mainstream brands for anywhere near the same money. However I noticed some of the entry level Carrera models now are using lower end parts than they used to but in fairness you get Trek, Specialized, Giant etc selling the equivalent spec bikes for 2-3x as much. You should never see a freewheel on a real mountain bike but you can spend up to £600 in your LBS and come up with pretty much junk components bolted to a semi-decent frame.

You can't really beat the factory to retail direct model. Some of the best bike bargains are Halfords, Go Outdoors and Decathlon where they buy directly from the factory in bulk and only have to provide profit for themselves once. Unfortunately it is killing LBS's they seem to be closing at a high rate both here and in the US and no doubt the same across Europe. I walked around my local Halfords the other day and there were loads of decent bikes around £500 or less but such visits to independent local bike shops would have got me pretty much BSO's with only the occasional model with decent components going sub £500 and that is often the unwanted bike in the corner from last years range or in the wrong colour. Some look quite rundown and you wonder if they will still be there if you need warranty work done. Also £12.99 for a bottle cage and bottle that looks like its been there for 10 years. Halfords just look amazing value compared to many LBS's when it comes to actual bikes. I would tend to buy accessories and spares online which is significantly cheaper.
bonzobanana2 h, 45 m ago

Pretty sure that isn't true. Not the 120kg limit but the claim that is the …Pretty sure that isn't true. Not the 120kg limit but the claim that is the total weight including bike and luggage. Only Decathlon/Btwin add the weight of the bike in. It's not something the bike standard ever suggests because its confusing to the end consumer, its just a way of inflating the capacity for those bikes that have weaker frames. My Carrera Subway has a max rider weight of 136kg although admittedly its quite old now and this falls in line with most bike brands that have 136kg/300lbs for mountain bikes and hybrids and 120kg for performance bikes, road bikes etc. It doesn't take a genius to see the Carrera frame has a strengthening gusset under the top of the downtube and strengthening of the seat tube and top tube which you will not see on many btwin bikes for example which have the much lower weight limits and can have a sub 80kg rider weight limit.http://www.btwin.com/notices/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/notice_velo_A5V_EN_PE12.pdfIf halfords have moved to 120kg now for such bikes as the Subway then they would surely have to clearly state it as its below the recommendations of the bike standard of 136kg rider weight. Also they can hardly complain about people being over the weight limit if they have not supplied a weight limit.Again the structural weight limit given does not include the bike weight. You don't include the weight of the bridge when you state its maximum load that is only a btwin thing which is a company that has a history of frame failures.Also Carrera frame failure despite their huge sales in the UK seems to be extremely rare and a typical Carrera frame will be heavier than a btwin frame for example probably mainly due to the extra strengthening which can be clearly seen on the frame itself and is an additional cost to halfords (they must surely take frame strength seriously).However if in doubt and close to the weight limits then maybe consider another bike, 136kg/300lbs is actually a very common limit as such bikes are conforming with the recommendation of the EN/ISO standard. You'll find Specialized, Trek, Giant etc are all at this limit for their mountain bikes and hybrid bikes. Giant actually allow luggage/accessory capacity on top going to 160kg and a lifetime guarantee but others include luggage/accessories as part of the 136kg.If you want more information on weight limits the Giant standard manual is excellent. Lots of great information plus lots of info on weight limits based on the standard. https://www.giant-bicycles.com/_upload_us/Giant Owner's Manual -- EN.pdfEven cheap as chips Falcon bicycles which would be equivalent to Halfords Apollo range are at the same weight limit.http://falconcycles.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/MV-Cycles-2015-Manual.pdf If Halfords are claiming 120kg maybe they are allowing 16kg for luggage and acessories, I don't know. Bit disappointed if they have downgraded their weight limit but there is nothing on their site to indicate any weight limit nowadays. Same is true of Go Outdoors. At least btwin tell you clearly of their low weight limits in their manuals so you know to avoid them if you are heavier.Actually by some miracle, they don't make it easy to find I've found their absolute maximum weight limit is 160kg but they apply this to all adult bikes including racing bikes which are normally significantly weaker than mountain bikes and hybrids.http://www.halfords.com/wcsstore/libraries/document/13_user_manual_new.pdfThat's actually a very good weight limit effectively twice that of many btwin bikes and so no surprise halfords frame failures are so low.



The OEM weight limit manual I found for the various brands made for Halfords didnt have a year of publication date; however the limit for warranty was for 120KG max; now it doesnt state this, but I am guessing this is static weight; bikes for off road use would need to have a higher dynamic weight limit.

As I said, the wheels/spokes are the weakest components; and the most likely to fail for heavier riders; I am well over 120KG and never had an issue with my oversized Raleigh frame with extra wide wheels/tyres, but they also only give 120KG as the limit for warranty purposes; very few brands give a higher limit (except for hybrid models), and some (like Apollo), give only 100KG as the limit.

Few publicly available resources give a proper breakdown of the weight limits, and fewer still admit the weight limit on the cheaper bikes includes the weight of the frame.

Next biggest issue after the wheels is any suspension; my son's Apollo bike snapped the suspension mount despite him being under the weight limit, and I had a cheap Falcon frame snap on me MANY years ago, despite being so skinny at the time, people were always telling me to eat more (dumped me under the wheels of a bus on a roundabout).
bonzobanana2 h, 33 m ago

I guess the Apollo models were and still are but the Carrera, Boardman and …I guess the Apollo models were and still are but the Carrera, Boardman and Voodoo models are actually massively superior to many mainstream brands for anywhere near the same money. However I noticed some of the entry level Carrera models now are using lower end parts than they used to but in fairness you get Trek, Specialized, Giant etc selling the equivalent spec bikes for 2-3x as much. You should never see a freewheel on a real mountain bike but you can spend up to £600 in your LBS and come up with pretty much junk components bolted to a semi-decent frame.You can't really beat the factory to retail direct model. Some of the best bike bargains are Halfords, Go Outdoors and Decathlon where they buy directly from the factory in bulk and only have to provide profit for themselves once. Unfortunately it is killing LBS's they seem to be closing at a high rate both here and in the US and no doubt the same across Europe. I walked around my local Halfords the other day and there were loads of decent bikes around £500 or less but such visits to independent local bike shops would have got me pretty much BSO's with only the occasional model with decent components going sub £500 and that is often the unwanted bike in the corner from last years range or in the wrong colour. Some look quite rundown and you wonder if they will still be there if you need warranty work done. Also £12.99 for a bottle cage and bottle that looks like its been there for 10 years. Halfords just look amazing value compared to many LBS's when it comes to actual bikes. I would tend to buy accessories and spares online which is significantly cheaper.


Edinburgh Bike Co-Op was an unusual case of being small enough to feel like an LBS- they only have 5 shops nationwide- yet with its own brand of bikes at reasonable prices.

Unfortunately I've just seen that they don't do that any more since 2016 because of "supplier issues". Pity.

edinburghbicycle.com/inf…16/
Gentle_Giant1 h, 22 m ago

The OEM weight limit manual I found for the various brands made for …The OEM weight limit manual I found for the various brands made for Halfords didnt have a year of publication date; however the limit for warranty was for 120KG max; now it doesnt state this, but I am guessing this is static weight; bikes for off road use would need to have a higher dynamic weight limit.As I said, the wheels/spokes are the weakest components; and the most likely to fail for heavier riders; I am well over 120KG and never had an issue with my oversized Raleigh frame with extra wide wheels/tyres, but they also only give 120KG as the limit for warranty purposes; very few brands give a higher limit (except for hybrid models), and some (like Apollo), give only 100KG as the limit.Few publicly available resources give a proper breakdown of the weight limits, and fewer still admit the weight limit on the cheaper bikes includes the weight of the frame.Next biggest issue after the wheels is any suspension; my son's Apollo bike snapped the suspension mount despite him being under the weight limit, and I had a cheap Falcon frame snap on me MANY years ago, despite being so skinny at the time, people were always telling me to eat more (dumped me under the wheels of a bus on a roundabout).


They can't restrict the weight limit without stating so at time of purchase or with the documentation supplied with the bike. The Carrera/13 manual I've linked to clearly has a 160kg maximum limit and I think they claim a 2 year warranty but under UK law you would expect a bike to last more than 2 years as a fairly major purchase and could probably claim up to 6-7 years if the frame snapped. Of course with mountain bike frames they tend to more critical about warranty returns because they get much more abuse and would look to examine the frame. I rode a cheap £65 steel mountain bike at 26 stone without problems with the frame it was actually the bearings of the front wheel that failed first. I didn't remain at 26 stone for long because of the cycling and the frame got a much easier life quite quickly.

Wheels aren't that weak, the Carrera has 27.5" double wall wheels with a high spoke count, the older 26" wheels of the same spec would probably have been slightly stronger but 26" wheels are out of favour now but 28" and 700c wheels are weaker. The Subway has a great reputation for strength. Many hybrids use weaker 700c wheels the Subway is a rarity with stronger 27.5" wheels taken from the mountain bike range.

To be honest the Subway is more like a classic rigid mountain bike than a hybrid bike. It's pretty much a mountain bike without suspension. They call it a hybrid but what actually is hybrid about it. It takes nothing from a road bike its pure old school rigid mountain bike just with an aluminium frame not a chromoly steel frame. The sort of bike you can abuse and take anywhere and not have to worry about maintaining the suspension.
Muig197246 m ago

Edinburgh Bike Co-Op was an unusual case of being small enough to feel …Edinburgh Bike Co-Op was an unusual case of being small enough to feel like an LBS- they only have 5 shops nationwide- yet with its own brand of bikes at reasonable prices.Unfortunately I've just seen that they don't do that any more since 2016 because of "supplier issues". Pity.https://www.edinburghbicycle.com/info/new-revolution-bikes-2016/


I bought the Cuillin Sport when it was on offer for £169.99 which I found out about from hotukdeals. Great bike at the time for ridiculous low money. Still have it tucked away in the shed. I did have a Courier but I sold that many years ago. I think later Revolution bikes weren't as good sadly although I only got that impression from forum postings so could be wrong.

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I dont dispute what you say, however the manual you link to is a number of years out of date, and makers change specs to keep prices down while counting on "errors and omissions" small print to protect themselves; (although as I said, the internal spec list I found wasnt dated - I will have a search and see if I saved a copy).

When I questioned Halfords staff in late November, no one could find a weight limit for the current Carrera, and their general internal FAQ system spat back 120Kg for adult bikes "unless otherwise stated"; however I cannot find a single Halfords own brand bike that gives a weight limit on any website.

Looking on-line, other sources state the Carerra is "tested to 120Kg"; although it doesnt say 120Kg is the limit, or if this was for both version, or just for the Carrera 2 front suspension model.

Just like cheap HiFi, the cheap Halfords brand bikes dont have a web resource giving all the nitty gritty details; whereas people like Dawes do. Page 39 onwards
Manuals are always out of date. Often the standard manual is rarely updated because nothing has really changed with it. You get this on many sites where it says 2012 or whatever and there is no later version. With the bike you might get a sheet or two specific to the bike depending on what components it has. That is the manual currently on Halfords site. It does have 120kg mentioned in it for rider weight on its own, then luggage allowance on top and a total weight limit that must not be exceeded of 160kg. Again this is pretty standard or written slightly differently to some bikes which may have 136kg as the total load.

Again though the Carrera frames are extremely high quality and well above the standard you would expect for the price. Have an excellent reputation for strength and long life and extra reinforcing can clearly be seen. The penalty may be slightly higher weight than some competitor's bikes that aim for lower weight and have more restrictive rider weight limits. For some a lower bike weight is more important as they may be quite light themselves for others the strength of halfords frames and taking their greater rider weight would be more important. Saying that sometimes a bike can have a weak frame and heavier components and negate the frame weight advantage so always look at the stated weights for each bike.

While I don't know for sure there is a strong likelyhood that the frame comes out of the fuji-ta factory in China by far the biggest manufacturer of complete bikes and frames in the world.

fuji-ta.com/mou…kes

Many bikes destined for Europe though are assembled outside China to avoid EU tariffs, vietnam, bangledesh, cambodia etc but based around a very high quality EN certified frame from fuji-ta in China. The same facility makes Cannondale and a huge range of other bikes. The factory is state of the art and makes brilliant frames to be honest, they have destroyed much of the OEM business of Merida and Giant with equal or higher quality frames at more competitive prices. The frame is something that has to be correctly certified and is critical for legal reasons. Assembly can be farmed out to cheaper low tech facilities. This is pretty much the norm now. Dawes for example do the same with assembly in Vietnam I think for many of their bikes. Fuji-ta do a huge range of frames and can pretty much customise their existing frame designs to give companies like Halfords their own unique frame designs. They also do cheaper chinese spec frames designed for lighter riders and US/Euro spec frames which are stronger and more expensive and its pretty clear with a 160kg maximum load and the obvious reinforcing the Carrera frames are the stronger type especially as they have an exceptionally good reputation for frame quality. If there is a failing with halfords Carrera bikes its more likely poor assembly either at the assembly factory or by halfords shop staff but ultimately I personally would always double check anyway wherever I bought a bike from. If you look on the go outdoors or decathlon sites you will also see plenty of reviews where people have complained about poor assembly and walmart in the US are legendary when it comes to badly assembled bikes even having the forks the wrong way around. This isn't an issue limited to large retailers as you often see reviews of local bike shops on forums where service was very poor.

Is there much difference between Subways 1 & 2? The Subway 2 was reduced to £280 at the beginning of this month. Is it worth waiting for that to be reduced again?
Giant for £234 from ruthland, such a nice bike
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