Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 DIMM £60.28 @ BT Shop
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Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 DIMM £60.28 @ BT Shop

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Found 28th JanMade hot 28th Jan
Seems pretty good value DDR4 desktop RAM, but I am no techie!
Plus cashback from topcashback too at 2.44%.

Product Description
Corsair Vengeance LPX - DDR4 - 16 GB: 2 x 8 GB - DIMM 288-pin
Product TypeRAM memory
Capacity16 GB: 2 x 8 GB
Memory TypeDDR4 SDRAM - DIMM 288-pin
Upgrade TypeGeneric
Data Integrity CheckNon-ECC
Speed2400 MHz (PC4-19200)
Latency TimingsCL14 (14-16-16-31)
FeaturesBlack heatsink, dual channel, 8 Layers PCB heatspreader, Black PCB, anodized aluminum heatspreader, Intel Extreme Memory Profiles (XMP 2.0), Vengeance LPX low profile heatspreader, unbuffered
Voltage1.2 V
Manufacturer WarrantyLimited lifetime warranty

75 Comments

2400mhz on ddr4.... A bit on the slow end there

3000MHz would be nice.

hamzahuk

2400mhz on ddr4.... A bit on the slow end there


Original Poster

Does it make that much difference? I am more after good value than outright performance gains at any price ... how much would 3000Mhz cost?

hamzahuk

2400mhz on ddr4.... A bit on the slow end there


16GB for £60 is rather good however.

hamzahuk

2400mhz on ddr4.... A bit on the slow end there



​The speed difference is so marginal that you will not even notice

fat tony

Does it make that much difference? I am more after good value than … Does it make that much difference? I am more after good value than outright performance gains at any price ... how much would 3000Mhz cost?



Any extra £45 on amazon. I have the 3000mhz, they were £90 a few weeks back

This or the Crucial on Amazon for £10 more? Assume not much difference...

amazon.co.uk/gp/…1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485610665&sr=8-2π=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=16gb+ddr4+ram&dpPl=1&dpID=41c5KvREwAL&ref=plSrch

Themadcow

This or the Crucial on Amazon for £10 more? Assume not much … This or the Crucial on Amazon for £10 more? Assume not much difference...https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00MTSWFMM/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485610665&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=16gb+ddr4+ram&dpPl=1&dpID=41c5KvREwAL&ref=plSrch



​prime only, so an extra £80 if you don't have that

beard7

​prime only, so an extra £80 if you don't have that



Sure, but I was wondering about things such as cas latency which is listed as 14 for this item, and this being dual rather than quad channel

These cost so much more than a year ago, probably down to Brexit. I'm on the lookout for red ones.

DoctorDeals

​The speed difference is so marginal that you will not even notice


2400 to 3000 can increase frame rate by 5-10% in many games from the last couple of years, or a bit higher in games like Fallout 4. Then there are titles like Ryse - look at the frame-rate nearly double when going from DDR4-2133 to DDR4-2666!

The main benefit is the boost to minimum frame rates rather than average frame rates. I'm putting together a new system next month, and it'll likely have DDR4-3200 or DDR4-3400, as there definitely seems to be an increasing trend of games making use of faster memory. (I'm not limited to UK sources, and there's a nice 16GB DDR4-3400 kit on Amazon.com for $93 at the moment.)

But if you mean general Windows performance (Internet browsing, movie playback, etc) then you're right - faster RAM probably wouldn't make a noticeable difference.

Edit: just to update, it turns out that DoctorDealz has DDR4-2133, which seems to be why they're claiming it doesn't make any difference: clearly justifying their mistaken purchase. However, they cannot provide any sources showing it makes no difference (despite multiple requests), and plenty of benchmarks have now been supplied showing that faster memory does make a difference in modern games.

Nevertheless, that doesn't make this a bad deal. It's a good price for DDR4-2400. Just bear in mind that memory speed does make a difference in games nowadays.
Edited by: "BetaRomeo" 30th Jan

Original Poster

I've ordered some - it's the best price I can find at the moment (shame I don't have a time machine!).
The motherboard I have takes 2133 or 2400 Mhz RAM, plus I don't really play games (but my son does), so it's not critical for me.
I'd rather throw an extra £20 into the CPU and get a higher clock speed.
Thanks for the debate, everyone.

BetaRomeo

2400 to 3000 can increase frame rate by 5-10% in many games from the last … 2400 to 3000 can increase frame rate by 5-10% in many games from the last couple of years, or a bit higher in games like Fallout 4. Then there are titles like Ryse - look at the frame-rate nearly double when going from DDR4-2133 to DDR4-2666!The main benefit is the boost to minimum frame rates rather than average frame rates. I'm putting together a new system next month, and it'll likely have DDR4-3200 or DDR4-3400, as there definitely seems to be an increasing trend of games making use of faster memory. (I'm not limited to UK sources, and there's a nice 16GB DDR4-3400 kit on Amazon.com for $93 at the moment.)But if you mean general Windows performance (Internet browsing, movie playback, etc) then you're right - faster RAM probably wouldn't make a noticeable difference.



​That article again.. it uses an i3 and 950 for tests on 1 game which means that 1 game is memory dependant. In a broader spectrum memory timings change games by 1-2 fps

DoctorDeals

​That article again.. it uses an i3 and 950 for tests on 1 game which m … ​That article again.. it uses an i3 and 950 for tests on 1 game which means that 1 game is memory dependant. In a broader spectrum memory timings change games by 1-2 fps



For a majority the faster speeds willl make zero difference. Also the Ryse benchmark used 2133 and 2666 speeds but it could be fine with 2400, it doesn't show that. Plus it's been tested on an i3 so maybe worth it if you have an i3 CPU, but I'm sure most would put that extra money into getting a better CPU in the first place.

Thanks, just bagged some, great price.

Is everyone else's ordered upon request?

If you want a laugh click on their terms and conditions link. I thought companies had stopped doing this.

Original Poster

jadamso

If you want a laugh click on their terms and conditions link. I thought … If you want a laugh click on their terms and conditions link. I thought companies had stopped doing this.


What in particular are you referring to? It doesn't appear unlike most companies' T&Cs ... it's there to protect to them (not the customer) as far as possible.

Didn't you notice the size of the print (unless it was just my browser)?

Original Poster

Nope - all fine on my iMac mini, using Chrome and viewed on a 24" monitor!

Anyway, I also got the 'ordered upon request' message, but it's my first time using BTShop so no idea what that means in reality ... fingers crossed. My last RAM order from Amazon was cancelled after 4 weeks of waiting for it - most annoying!

not a fan of corsair vengeance, bought a pair a good few years back and realised how crap they were and also the heatsinks were of cheap quality, easily broke off. I spent over £80 on them at that time for 2x 4gb and returned them back.

So overall for today this price is decent but dont be fooled by the whole vengeance branding n thinking youve got a beast of a kit.


Edited by: "Dan__" 28th Jan

Anyway, I also got the 'ordered upon request' message, but it's my first … Anyway, I also got the 'ordered upon request' message, but it's my first time using BTShop so no idea what that means in reality ... fingers crossed. My last RAM order from Amazon was cancelled after 4 weeks of waiting for it - most annoying!



Agreed! If this is another pricing error when I finally get some RAM I'm going to stick it right up their...motherboard.

Its good value if your building a budget pc. I bought the 3200mhz the other week for £95 and i like the fact they are also low profile. Im using a skylake cpu which benefits more from faster ram.

Thanks for sharing this, recently ordered 1x 8GB stick in red of this on Amazon for £45, so this seems to be a no brainer. Both Amazon and BT Shop seem to be out of stock and ordering them in, so I'll see which arrives first and cancel the other.

Here hoping BT Shop commit to the order and don't cancel it!

The clock speed of memory typically really doesn't change much, assuming you're using this for gaming. DDR4 is all you need. High clock speeds are nice, but don't pay stupid amounts for it. For typical DDR4 16GB RAM, you're looking at upwards of £100, even for the cheapest sticks. This is a VERY nice deal.

Peew971

These cost so much more than a year ago, probably down to Brexit. I'm on … These cost so much more than a year ago, probably down to Brexit. I'm on the lookout for red ones.



Also really want this but in red

RAM speeds never used to matter a whole lot, but if you check out any of the more recent Digital Foundry videos, they are starting to notice that faster memory is actually equating to noticeable improvement in gaming performance with 6th and 7th gen Intel CPUs.

But it all comes down to budget. If you can afford to buy an 6700k/7700k and 3600MHz memory, then great! If dropping to 2400MHz memory means you can go from an i5 to an i7, then absolutely buy that CPU.

The reality is, a lot of people who buy 3000MHz or 3200MHz memory might well be running it at lower speeds because they don't have a Z170, Z270 or X99 chipset motherboard or simply haven't enabled XMP.

hamzahuk

2400mhz on ddr4.... A bit on the slow end there



Plenty of gaming benchmark videos on youtube testing memory speed vs capacity.
In nearly all scenarios, the games benefited more from having more memory, and the memory speed made no difference whatsoever.

Always go for more memory over faster memory.

DoctorDeals

​That article again.. it uses an i3 and 950 for tests on 1 game which m … ​That article again.. it uses an i3 and 950 for tests on 1 game which means that 1 game is memory dependant. In a broader spectrum memory timings change games by 1-2 fps


I'm not sure what article you're referring to. The one on the other side of my link tested nine games on a Titan X (not a 950) and showed that seven benefited noticeably - far beyond a margin of error. The Witcher 3 (increased by 8FPS), AC Unity (increased by 5FPS), BF4 (increased by 6FPS), Crysis 3 (increased by less than one FPS), COD:AW (increased by 10FPS), GTA5 (increased by 5FPS), FC4 (increased by 8FPS), SoM (increased by 2FPS) and Ryse (increased by 45FPS). (I've highlighted the two which didn't seem to benefit from faster memory.)

They then went on to show Crysis 3 on a 950 (possibly leading to your confusion, if you skipped past the big table of relevant numbers) showing that there can be differences of 6FPS at any given moment depending on your memory speed - even though earlier tests had shown the overall FPS average on Crysis 3 to benefit very little from memory speed. In other words, average FPS scores do not tell the whole story. Faster memory is of most benefit to minimum frame rates and avoided stuttering.

Memory dependent? Every game needs memory, so every game is memory dependent. Memory timings? Yes, less important today - but we're talking about memory clock rates, not timings. Frequency and latency are different. But, yes, I will grant you that tightening the timings on DDR4 today will only give you ~1-2FPS extra. It's just a shame that we're not talking about the timings.

I understand why you're skeptical. For decades we've had the fact that faster memory has very little impact in games. Now that's changed, but it's taking time for some people to adjust, or believe the facts, or understand the articles presenting these facts.

118luke

Plenty of gaming benchmark videos on youtube testing memory speed vs … Plenty of gaming benchmark videos on youtube testing memory speed vs capacity.In nearly all scenarios, the games benefited more from having more memory, and the memory speed made no difference whatsoever.Always go for more memory over faster memory.


Absolutely not true. oO 8GB is more than enough, according to benchmarks, so if you want to save money, dropping from 16 to 8 should save you ~£40 while not affecting your frame rates at all. On the other hand, the link I included above (and subsequently had to spell out) shows a significant boost to frame rates if you use faster RAM, and those aren't the only games to do so.

moogle

For a majority the faster speeds willl make zero difference. Also the … For a majority the faster speeds willl make zero difference. Also the Ryse benchmark used 2133 and 2666 speeds but it could be fine with 2400, it doesn't show that. Plus it's been tested on an i3 so maybe worth it if you have an i3 CPU, but I'm sure most would put that extra money into getting a better CPU in the first place.


You seem to be implying that memory speed has more effect on an i3 than on an i5 or i7..? That turns out not to be the case.

Go down to the last table of numbers and you can see that, for example, a stock i7-7700K with 2400MHz DDR4 outperforms an i7-7700K overclocked to 4.8GHz - but with 2133MHz DDR4. And you can also see that a stock 7700K with 3000MHz DDR4 also significantly outperforms a 4.8GHz 7700K with DDR4-2400.

In other words (as it seems I need to offer summaries on articles here, rather than letting them speak for themselves! ;)), moving from DDR4-2400 to DDR4-3000 has more of an effect on frame rates than overclocking a 7700K from stock to 4.8GHz.

I just paid £100 for 2 sticks of DDR4 2400 ram for my new i7 7700k and Asus Z270 mobo so this looks like an exceptional deal or a misprice.

BetaRomeo

I'm not sure what article you're referring to. The one on the other side … I'm not sure what article you're referring to. The one on the other side of my link tested nine games on a Titan X (not a 950) and showed that seven benefited noticeably - far beyond a margin of error. The Witcher 3 (increased by 8FPS), AC Unity (increased by 5FPS), BF4 (increased by 6FPS), Crysis 3 (increased by less than one FPS), COD:AW (increased by 10FPS), GTA5 (increased by 5FPS), FC4 (increased by 8FPS), SoM (increased by 2FPS) and Ryse (increased by 45FPS). (I've highlighted the two which didn't seem to benefit from faster memory.)They then went on to show Crysis 3 on a 950 (possibly leading to your confusion, if you skipped past the big table of relevant numbers) showing that there can be differences of 6FPS at any given moment depending on your memory speed - even though earlier tests had shown the overall FPS average on Crysis 3 to benefit very little from memory speed. In other words, average FPS scores do not tell the whole story. Faster memory is of most benefit to minimum frame rates and avoided stuttering.Memory dependent? Every game needs memory, so every game is memory dependent. Memory timings? Yes, less important today - but we're talking about memory clock rates, not timings. Frequency and latency are different. But, yes, I will grant you that tightening the timings on DDR4 today will only give you ~1-2FPS extra. It's just a shame that we're not talking about the timings. ;)I understand why you're skeptical. For decades we've had the fact that faster memory has very little impact in games. Now that's changed, but it's taking time for some people to adjust, or believe the facts, or understand the articles presenting these facts.Absolutely not true. oO 8GB is more than enough, according to benchmarks, so if you want to save money, dropping from 16 to 8 should save you ~£40 while not affecting your frame rates at all. On the other hand, the link I included above (and subsequently had to spell out) shows a significant boost to frame rates if you use faster RAM, and those aren't the only games to do so.



You can tell people who actually know what they're talking about and those (like you) who misread something somewhere and then quote is as gospel. The fact you have to reply to multiple people proves that you are right and everyone else is wrong.. think again cupcake.

fat tony

I've ordered some - it's the best price I can find at the moment (shame I … I've ordered some - it's the best price I can find at the moment (shame I don't have a time machine!).


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51T86Q2ZNyL._AC_US160_.jpg

Kulaak



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32gb for £120 hot hot hot

hotukdeals4life

32gb for £120 hot hot hot


VMs?

The importance of memory in gaming is really simple.

If in the moment performance is limited by your graphics card, faster memory makes no difference. However, if your in the moment performance is limited by the CPU, faster RAM makes a big difference.

The problem with 'benchmarks' is that fundamentally, they are averages taken across a duration, which gives the impression of 'smoothing out' spikes caused by CPU or memory bandwidth bottlenecks. Sometimes, benchmarks simply test areas of gameplay where there are no CPU or RAM bottlenecks at all, erroneously giving the impression that these things don't matter.

In the moment gameplay is what you will feel and is much more important. This image sums up the importance of memory bandwidth better than any bar chart:

images.eurogamer.net/201…jpg
Edited by: "Easy2BCheesy" 29th Jan

Nice deal, but I managed to get it for £54 about a month ago.

If Ryzen doesn't benefit from > ddr4 2400mhz speeds then buying could save a few quid when it's realeased. Anyone found any info around what speed ram they used for the blender test and CES battefield comparison? I've looked but couldn't find any specifics.
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