Dekstop PC - i3-6100, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, 2TB HDD, Windows 10 Licence £369 Medion Shop
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Dekstop PC - i3-6100, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, 2TB HDD, Windows 10 Licence £369 Medion Shop

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Found 18th Jul 2016
A good all round desktop PC - it's not a gaming machine (thought not sure if it would be a decent machine with a dedicated card put in it) but should just about manage everything else comfortably.

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For the price to get a legit copy of Windows 10, newest generation i3, SSD, HDD, good level of RAM I think its a good deal.

Full description below:-

Medion Akoya P2101 DR - Entry Level Gaming PC

For guidance on buying a PC please check our PC buyers guide

Processing Power

Intel Core i3-6100 processor (Dual Core 3.70 GHz with 3M Cache)

The latest 6th generation Intel Core i3 processor – an excellent processor that delivers high performance when you need it most. The performance enables a great user experience with a more natural user interface, when paired with Intel RealSense Technology and Windows 10 Home.

Windows 10 Home

This great PC comes with Windows 10 Home preinstalled – making it the ideal system for office, multimedia applications and games of all kinds.

Graphics

Intel HD Graphics 530 supports 1080P high resolution and 4K support.

Storage & Memory

2TB Hard Drive – plenty of storage for applications, games, documents, music, video, downloads and more.

8GB DDR4 RAM – the latest, super-fast RAM thanks to increased transfer speeds that lets you multi-task effortlessly and even play some of the newest resource-demanding games available.

128GB SSD – superfast boot speeds enables your PC and Windows 10 to start-up really quickly. This great SSD drive also supplies even more storage space should you need it.

Hot-swap mobile rack* - Swap hard drives quickly and easily – even while the PC is running. Perfect for data backups, data exchange and alternative operating systems.

Multi-standard DVD/CD burner with DVD-RAM and dual-layer support.

Extras

4 USB 3.0 ports - 2 on the front, 2 on the back / 2 USB 2.0 ports

HDMI & VGA Display Ports

Multi-card reader – MS/SD/MMC

LAN & WLAN connectivity

*Additional hard drives not included.
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Not sure how to edit, but they come with a 3 year guarantee too I believe. Certainly I did with the last PC I bought from them late last year.
Funghi

Not sure how to edit, but they come with a 3 year guarantee too I … Not sure how to edit, but they come with a 3 year guarantee too I believe. Certainly I did with the last PC I bought from them late last year.



​States 24 month warranty in description.

Free delivery as well.

nice find
Looks a solid machine for the price.
It might make a nice home desktop for someone who doesn't want to build but its no gaming PC. I think it's very misleading to call it an entry level gaming build with no dedicated gpu. Chances are the PSU is very low end so unlikely to be able to drop in a gpu without upgrading the PSU first.

It's good for what it is but that ain't a gaming PC of any level
Edited by: "stuellis" 18th Jul 2016
stuellis

It might make a nice home desktop for someone who doesn't want to build … It might make a nice home desktop for someone who doesn't want to build but its no gaming PC. I think it's very misleading to call it an entry level gaming build with no dedicated gpu. Chances are the PSU is very low end so unlikely to be able to drop in a gpu without upgrading the PSU first. It's good for what it is but that ain't a gaming PC of any level


I've even seen machines like this with no expansion slot for a video card. As above I would exercise caution if wanting it to game on.
I learnt the hard way buying a Medion PC previously. Technical problems soon arise not long after purchase and upgrade potential nonexistent. For £100ish you can buy yourself a far, far better and future-proof desktop.
pazuzu17

I learnt the hard way buying a Medion PC previously. Technical problems … I learnt the hard way buying a Medion PC previously. Technical problems soon arise not long after purchase and upgrade potential nonexistent. For £100ish you can buy yourself a far, far better and future-proof desktop.



Please do let us know where this £100 self built PC can be obtained that is far far better and future proof?
Drop in a 750TI and you'd be fine (obviously not in 4k)

Definitely be able to build better yourself for the price of this AND a gpu, but hey Ho
Much prefer to built my own... and it's so easy with so much info about... and it's still a no way to win10 aye
I don't understand why the self build folk try to compare it to self builds. There are still a lot of people who just want to buy a PC off the shelf. They don't want to build their own, try aren't bothered about upgrading, they just want to buy it, plug it in and use it.

On that basis, I think that for the money this machine costs it's excellent value. Self build fans, compare apples with apples and not oranges. Building your own doesn't appeal to everyone so judge pre built with pre built!
That wasn't meant to sound like a rant by the way, more an observation really
Funghi

I don't understand why the self build folk try to compare it to self … I don't understand why the self build folk try to compare it to self builds. There are still a lot of people who just want to buy a PC off the shelf. They don't want to build their own, try aren't bothered about upgrading, they just want to buy it, plug it in and use it. On that basis, I think that for the money this machine costs it's excellent value. Self build fans, compare apples with apples and not oranges. Building your own doesn't appeal to everyone so judge pre built with pre built!



Because that's how you equate in terms of value for money. You're paying for

The components
+
The cost of the labour

If the components are worth £200 then £169 of labour is pretty poor (I'm not saying this is the cost in this case just random figure I've picked).

Add to this that these days most people will know someone within their extended friends and family who would be able to build a PC with confidence and it makes buying off the shelf even less appealing. Just because the low effort option is available, doesn't mean you should always necessarily take it.
Edited by: "Astec123" 18th Jul 2016
But doesn't take into account warranty, legal copy of Windows etc.
Funghi

I don't understand why the self build folk try to compare it to self … I don't understand why the self build folk try to compare it to self builds. There are still a lot of people who just want to buy a PC off the shelf. They don't want to build their own, try aren't bothered about upgrading, they just want to buy it, plug it in and use it. On that basis, I think that for the money this machine costs it's excellent value. Self build fans, compare apples with apples and not oranges. Building your own doesn't appeal to everyone so judge pre built with pre built!



Sure that's true but by the same token you talk about having the option to put a dedicated graphics card in it. The spec on Medion's website doesn't mention whether there is the option to do this. The tech spec doesn't list the motherboard in the machine, nor the PSU. Not even the wattage of the PSU. People will in general want to upgrade their machine at some point in its lifetime and it is nice to know what can and can't be done. If you google the model "P2101 DR" the first listing is from Medion's website and mentions "entry level gaming PC". In my opinion it is a little disingenuous to do so as it is lacking dedicated graphics. Most people would agree that a gaming PC needs a video card. I do think this machine is a good little find for certain uses and like the extra storage along with the SSD. As a desktop computer I would say it could be great but to imply it could be used for gaming might be misleading to some .
Astec123

Please do let us know where this £100 self built PC can be obtained that … Please do let us know where this £100 self built PC can be obtained that is far far better and future proof?



AMD Avenger, Palicomp, £500. A far, far, far better investment.
pazuzu17

AMD Avenger, Palicomp, £500. A far, far, far better investment.



However that's not what you said or at least not how it reads. Your original post suggests that you can self build a PC for £100 total.
Edited by: "Astec123" 18th Jul 2016
750ti as per earlier poster. i got a business pc. a viglen small factor. i5. stuck in a 750ti. didn't blow up. Instead better than ps4 for gta v. bargain of the century.
jameshothothot

750ti as per earlier poster. i got a business pc. a viglen small factor. … 750ti as per earlier poster. i got a business pc. a viglen small factor. i5. stuck in a 750ti. didn't blow up. Instead better than ps4 for gta v. bargain of the century.



​nb i had to get the small form factor version but my pc looks smaller than this one
Good find, I work in the it industry and I can tell you that not everyone wants to build pc's irrespective of savings. I still sell a lot of base units now. And if you were to put in a 750gtx or ti version it would be a competent games machine if you do not go above 1080p resolution and go easy on aa, shadows etc.
Funghi

But doesn't take into account warranty, legal copy of Windows etc.



Individual PC parts usually have a minimum of three years warranty. Also when these cheap pre builds fail you have to sort out posting the entire unit back. If one part fails you only have to send that back.

Windows licenses are dirt cheap.

Anyone can build a PC, it's no harder than Lego and takes less time. I will help ANY HUKD member spec and build their own PC for no charge.

Also, I might add that calling this a gaming PC is completely false advertising. Do you really want to buy something from a bunch of liars?

If you want a machine like this but not for gaming how about an i5 for the same sort of cash?

PCPartPicker part list: uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…7WX
Price breakdown by merchant: uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…nt/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor (£159.98 @ Novatech)
Motherboard: MSI H110M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£45.44 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (£23.40 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£26.40 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.28 @ Aria PC)
Case: Zalman ZM-T4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£15.98 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: XFX XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£39.98 @ Novatech)
Other: Windows 10 Home (£21.59)
Total: £383.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-19 08:38 BST+0100

http://i.imgur.com/xaogedl.png

Or if you actually want to play games how about a super budget gaming build?

PCPartPicker part list: uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…TBP
Price breakdown by merchant: uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…nt/

PCPartPicker part list: uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…V6X
Price breakdown by merchant: uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…nt/

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 845 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£51.51 @ BT Shop)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (£34.98 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£24.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.59 @ BT Shop)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 380 4GB NITRO Dual-X OC Video Card (£137.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Zalman ZM-T4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£15.98 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: XFX XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£39.98 @ Novatech)
Other: Windows 10 Home (£21.59)
Total: £366.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-19 08:49 BST+0100

http://i.imgur.com/SqtwYNX.png

Or if you want the same spec as this prebuild but want to pay less:

PCPartPicker part list: uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…4qk
Price breakdown by merchant: uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…nt/

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£98.99 @ Novatech)
Motherboard: MSI H110M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£45.44 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (£23.40 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP920 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£37.72 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.28 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£23.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£39.98 @ Novatech)
Other: Windows 10 Home (£21.59)
Total: £341.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-19 08:52 BST+0100
Edited by: "ollie87" 19th Jul 2016
pazuzu17

AMD Avenger, Palicomp, £500. A far, far, far better investment.



Not really £100 though is it?
dfiwka

Good find, I work in the it industry and I can tell you that not everyone … Good find, I work in the it industry and I can tell you that not everyone wants to build pc's irrespective of savings. I still sell a lot of base units now. And if you were to put in a 750gtx or ti version it would be a competent games machine if you do not go above 1080p resolution and go easy on aa, shadows etc.



You'd need to drop in a decent PSU as well, and together with the GPU that will come to £150+. So, for comparison you need to look at other gaming PCs costing around £550.
ollie87

Individual PC parts usually have a minimum of three years warranty. Also … Individual PC parts usually have a minimum of three years warranty. Also when these cheap pre builds fail you have to sort out posting the entire unit back. If one part fails you only have to send that back.Windows licenses are dirt cheap.Anyone can build a PC, it's no harder than Lego and takes less time. I will help ANY HUKD member spec and build their own PC for no charge.Also, I might add that calling this a gaming PC is completely false advertising. Do you really want to buy something from a bunch of liars?If you want a machine like this but not for gaming how about an i5 for the same sort of cash?PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/mK47WXPrice breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/mK47WX/by_merchant/CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor (£159.98 @ Novatech) Motherboard: MSI H110M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£45.44 @ CCL Computers) Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (£23.40 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£26.40 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.28 @ Aria PC) Case: Zalman ZM-T4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£15.98 @ Novatech) Power Supply: XFX XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£39.98 @ Novatech) Other: Windows 10 Home (£21.59)Total: £383.05Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-19 08:38 BST+0100Or if you actually want to play games how about a super budget gaming build?PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/NqpTBPPrice breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/NqpTBP/by_merchant/PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VF8V6XPrice breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VF8V6X/by_merchant/CPU: AMD Athlon X4 845 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£51.51 @ BT Shop) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (£34.98 @ Amazon UK) Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£24.99 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.59 @ BT Shop) Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 380 4GB NITRO Dual-X OC Video Card (£137.99 @ Ebuyer) Case: Zalman ZM-T4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£15.98 @ Novatech) Power Supply: XFX XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£39.98 @ Novatech) Other: Windows 10 Home (£21.59)Total: £366.61Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-19 08:49 BST+0100Or if you want the same spec as this prebuild but want to pay less:PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tNP4qkPrice breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tNP4qk/by_merchant/CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£98.99 @ Novatech) Motherboard: MSI H110M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£45.44 @ CCL Computers) Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (£23.40 @ Amazon UK) Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP920 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£37.72 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.28 @ Aria PC) Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£23.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) Power Supply: XFX XT 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£39.98 @ Novatech) Other: Windows 10 Home (£21.59)Total: £341.39Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-19 08:52 BST+0100



In theory anyone can build a PC, in practice you'll find that to be far from the case and many people will just want to buy an off the shelf computer. A computer is a tool, just like a kettle, many people just want to buy a kettle without having to build it first. I guarantee that it's not true most people can build a pc, many people can but most, no way. So whilst you mean well, the demographic for this PC will never be building one.

I deal with customers for I.T. products everyday, the level of stupidity from some of them is almost incomprehensible. There are many people out there that will never build a PC through either choice or just not being able to and many people that could build one would just choose an off the shelf product. The kettle analogy is where things are for many people.

Edited by: "fishmaster" 19th Jul 2016
For Christs sake. It's a PC. Not EVERYONE on the planet is interested in 'gaming'.
And why talk about investment?
This is a decent spec for anyone interested in anything other than 'gaming' and would suit me down to the ground if I hadn't got something almost identical.
As someone who works from home, has Plex running 24/7 and does the occasional photo editing it's perfect.
Have some heat OP
dfiwka

Good find, I work in the it industry and I can tell you that not everyone … Good find, I work in the it industry and I can tell you that not everyone wants to build pc's irrespective of savings. I still sell a lot of base units now. And if you were to put in a 750gtx or ti version it would be a competent games machine if you do not go above 1080p resolution and go easy on aa, shadows etc.



No offence, but you joined today, just to post that comment?
"I work in the industry" - Which one?
Spam making?
mrew42

For Christs sake. It's a PC. Not EVERYONE on the planet is interested in … For Christs sake. It's a PC. Not EVERYONE on the planet is interested in 'gaming'.



Except this company is trying to sell this PC as a gaming PC, that's why it was brought up.
fishmaster

many people just want to buy a kettle without having to build it first.



Poor example, there are no places where you can go and buy 'Kettle kits' nor are there 1000's of hours of YouTube videos showing you how to build a cheaper and better Kettle than Kenwood can make.

A better example would be Lego or Mechano.

fishmaster

I guarantee that it's not true most people can build a pc, many people … I guarantee that it's not true most people can build a pc, many people can but most, no way.



There are plenty of children that can do it, I've been doing it since I was about 6.

fishmaster

I deal with customers for I.T. products everyday, the level of stupidity … I deal with customers for I.T. products everyday, the level of stupidity from some of them is almost incomprehensible.



Me too, but most of them can build IKEA furniture or build a LEGO set with their kids.
ollie87

Except this company is trying to sell this PC as a gaming PC, that's why … Except this company is trying to sell this PC as a gaming PC, that's why it was brought up.


Except EVERY company does and while there's no benchmark or minimum spec for 'gaming' it aint exactly illegal now is it
mrew42

Except EVERY company does and while there's no benchmark or minimum spec … Except EVERY company does and while there's no benchmark or minimum spec for 'gaming' it aint exactly illegal now is it



I didn't say it was illegal, I was implying that it was shady, which it 100% is. Just because everyone is doing something wrong it doesn't make it right. Someone mis-informed may buy this an expect to play the latest AAA games at 4K, which the website for this product implies is possible.

Edited by: "ollie87" 19th Jul 2016
ollie87

I didn't say it was illegal, I was implying that it was shady, which it … I didn't say it was illegal, I was implying that it was shady, which it 100% is. Just because everyone is doing something wrong it doesn't make it right. Someone mis-informed my buy this an expect to play the latest AAA games at 4K, which the website for this product implies is possible.


It even states 'entry level' - you're overstating the issue
mrew42

No offence, but you joined today, just to post that comment?"I work in … No offence, but you joined today, just to post that comment?"I work in the industry" - Which one? Spam making?


the ' IT ' industry ... X)
wozukSilencer

the ' IT ' industry ... X)


oO
mis-read that completely due to the use of lower case (that's my excuse)
still seems a touch suspicious when someone signs up and makes one post just for that thread....
ollie87

Windows licenses are dirt cheap.Other: Windows 10 Home (£21.59)



If you get it from an unauthorised source that might see your license revoked, perhaps. I don't know how true it is but kinguin and G2A allegedly buy keys with stolen credit cards and flog them to the public. If those keys get revoked you're out £25 and then have to spend £50+ for a legit copy.
fishmaster

many people just want to buy a kettle without having to build it first.

fishmaster

I guarantee that it's not true most people can build a pc, many people … I guarantee that it's not true most people can build a pc, many people can but most, no way.

fishmaster

I deal with customers for I.T. products everyday, the level of stupidity … I deal with customers for I.T. products everyday, the level of stupidity from some of them is almost incomprehensible.



My analogy was many people want an item they don't have to build first. Yes you can build a PC and not a kettle but that's not the point is it. The point is that people just want an item they can build and for many people building a PC is not something they want to do whether they can or not. I'm just speaking common sense here that's all.

You don't have experience with the customer base like I do. I guarantee there's many people that would be utterly clueless and hopeless at building a PC regardless of their age. This is most definitely true. You're only seeing it from your perspective and not the wider picture.
Edited by: "fishmaster" 19th Jul 2016
Haha over 10 years in industry mate just because I don't post here, wow your ignorant!

I I'll give you an example I have just literally dealt with to give you an understanding of how people are with it, I have just had a lady take 10 minutes to grasp she did not need a battery in a laptop to function when plugged into the mains. I literally took the battery out and showed her and then she looked like I was a liar.

In the end not every one is a gamer, this is a good work horse computer, which will do YouTube at 1080p like most modern computers.

I don't normally post, the lower case was because I was on my phone and didn't autocorrect.
dfiwka

Haha over 10 years in industry mate just because I don't post here, wow … Haha over 10 years in industry mate just because I don't post here, wow your ignorant!I I'll give you an example I have just literally dealt with to give you an understanding of how people are with it, I have just had a lady take 10 minutes to grasp she did not need a battery in a laptop to function when plugged into the mains. I literally took the battery out and showed her and then she looked like I was a liar. In the end not every one is a gamer, this is a good work horse computer, which will do YouTube at 1080p like most modern computers. I don't normally post, the lower case was because I was on my phone and didn't autocorrect.



Over 30 but who's bragging (or ignorant)?
Oh and if you read my previous past I was of the same opinion as you, just not registering today for one post!
mrew42

Except EVERY company does and while there's no benchmark or minimum spec … Except EVERY company does and while there's no benchmark or minimum spec for 'gaming' it aint exactly illegal now is it



Tell that to the banks after them mis-selling

PPI
CPP
Mortgages

And so on......... Just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it hasn't been mis-sold. If people don't push for change then it will continue and it's wrong for those less aware of technical specifications to be lead to believe this sort of device is entry level gaming without any quantification as to what it can play at an 'entry level'.

fishmaster

My analogy was many people want an item they don't have to build first. … My analogy was many people want an item they don't have to build first. Yes you can build a PC and not a kettle but that's not the point is it. The point is that people just want an item they can build and for many people building a PC is not something they want to do whether they can or not. I'm just speaking common sense here that's all. You don't have experience with the customer base like I do. I guarantee there's many people that would be utterly clueless and hopeless at building a PC regardless of their age. This is most definitely true. You're only seeing it from your perspective and not the wider picture.



He might not, but I think that anyone with a reasonable level of technical nous is more than aware that people tend to think home DIY, oh assembling a large piece of flat-pack furniture or putting some new doors up is really easy but in fact does require a level of technical skill to do so and think nothing of it. As soon as it becomes a microelectronics device most people start to quiver in fear like it's some sort of alien monster that cannot be understood by anyone short of a masters level programmer. The reality of it is these days it's no more difficult than sorting through the bits in an Ikea bookshelf and then plugging the right bits in the right places at the right time aka following a manual.

It's people like you with the attitude that all people are clueless and hopeless dealing with IT that mean they never get out of that rut because no one shows them how competent they are without knowing it and empower them to be more aware of their abilities to deal with their technology. Obviously this is keeping you in a job, but for many others it's more important to break down the barriers that people see with IT and pushing them to become more self sufficient.

It's something over the last 10 years that you see more and more on tech forums that increasing numbers of people are self building and taking the plunge into that world. Deals on places like HUKD for barebones computers, low end servers we are seeing people jumping in to setting up non Windows solutions like Freenas or tinkering with XMBC, they ask for help and there are communities that get larger by the day, all willing to help them join in.
Edited by: "Astec123" 19th Jul 2016
Astec123

Tell that to the banks after them mis-selling PPICPPMortgages And so … Tell that to the banks after them mis-selling PPICPPMortgages And so on......... Just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it hasn't been mis-sold. If people don't push for change then it will continue and it's wrong for those less aware of technical specifications to be lead to believe this sort of device is entry level gaming without any quantification as to what it can play at an 'entry level'. He might not, but I think that anyone with a reasonable level of technical nous is more than aware that people tend to think home DIY, oh assembling a large piece of flat-pack furniture or putting some new doors up is really easy but in fact does require a level of technical skill to do so and think nothing of it. As soon as it becomes a microelectronics device most people start to quiver in fear like it's some sort of alien monster that cannot be understood by anyone short of a masters level programmer. The reality of it is these days it's no more difficult than sorting through the bits in an Ikea bookshelf and then plugging the right bits in the right places at the right time aka following a manual. It's people like you with the attitude that all people are clueless and hopeless dealing with IT that mean they never get out of that rut because no one shows them how competent they are without knowing it and empower them to be more aware of their abilities to deal with their technology. Obviously this is keeping you in a job, but for many others it's more important to break down the barriers that people see with IT and pushing them to become more self sufficient. It's something over the last 10 years that you see more and more on tech forums that increasing numbers of people are self building and taking the plunge into that world. Deals on places like HUKD for barebones computers, low end servers we are seeing people jumping in to setting up non Windows solutions like Freenas or tinkering with XMBC, they ask for help and there are communities that get larger by the day, all willing to help them join in.



You're either misunderstanding me on purpose for effect or you can't read English properly.
Astec123

Tell that to the banks after them mis-selling PPICPPMortgages And so … Tell that to the banks after them mis-selling PPICPPMortgages And so on......... Just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it hasn't been mis-sold. If people don't push for change then it will continue and it's wrong for those less aware of technical specifications to be lead to believe this sort of device is entry level gaming without any quantification as to what it can play at an 'entry level'. He might not, but I think that anyone with a reasonable level of technical nous is more than aware that people tend to think home DIY, oh assembling a large piece of flat-pack furniture or putting some new doors up is really easy but in fact does require a level of technical skill to do so and think nothing of it. As soon as it becomes a microelectronics device most people start to quiver in fear like it's some sort of alien monster that cannot be understood by anyone short of a masters level programmer. The reality of it is these days it's no more difficult than sorting through the bits in an Ikea bookshelf and then plugging the right bits in the right places at the right time aka following a manual. It's people like you with the attitude that all people are clueless and hopeless dealing with IT that mean they never get out of that rut because no one shows them how competent they are without knowing it and empower them to be more aware of their abilities to deal with their technology. Obviously this is keeping you in a job, but for many others it's more important to break down the barriers that people see with IT and pushing them to become more self sufficient. It's something over the last 10 years that you see more and more on tech forums that increasing numbers of people are self building and taking the plunge into that world. Deals on places like HUKD for barebones computers, low end servers we are seeing people jumping in to setting up non Windows solutions like Freenas or tinkering with XMBC, they ask for help and there are communities that get larger by the day, all willing to help them join in.



fishmaster

You're either misunderstanding me on purpose for effect or you can't read … You're either misunderstanding me on purpose for effect or you can't read English properly.




It's like, Whoosh!!
Astec123

Tell that to the banks after them mis-selling PPICPPMortgages And so … Tell that to the banks after them mis-selling PPICPPMortgages And so on......... Just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it hasn't been mis-sold. If people don't push for change then it will continue and it's wrong for those less aware of technical specifications to be lead to believe this sort of device is entry level gaming without any quantification as to what it can play at an 'entry level'.



PPI? Mortgages? These are long term contracts.
This is a PC - and blow me down it can play games.
Will people take a reality pill (red or blue) and stop overstating such nonsense.
I'd like to push for change and make people take a good sniff near a strong cup of coffee once in a while
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