Dell Visor Mixed Reality headset £349 (plus possible 4.2% TCB)
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Dell Visor Mixed Reality headset £349 (plus possible 4.2% TCB)

£311.08£349 11% Dell Deals
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Edited by:"rd3d2"Found 21st Oct
The Dell Visor looks to be one of the sleeker of the Mixed Realty headsets and perhaps the best headset available to us in the UK (Samsung have already said that their OLED headset is not getting a UK release)

NOTE: This is the headset only but controllers are not a requirement for Mixed Reality (though they are a 'nice to have!')

See moremixedreality.com/har…on/ for headset spec comparison - The Dell supports 110 FOV

Edited to reflect new Black Friday price

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Original Poster

Forgot to mention - if you want controllers you are better off going to PC World / Currys:
currys.co.uk/gbu…tml also you can try these out in some of the larger branches at the moment (see mixed reality live demo)

Still no idea what a mixed reality headset does over just a VR headset?
Edited by: "catbeans" 21st Oct

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catbeans9 m ago

Still no idea what a mixed reality headset does over just a VR headset?


They are the same but the environment is shared with HoloLens so the term is an umbrella one for Microsoft's Virtual and augmented reality platforms.

rd3d22 m ago

They are the same but the environment is shared with HoloLens so the term …They are the same but the environment is shared with HoloLens so the term is an umbrella one for Microsoft's Virtual and augmented reality platforms.



lol Microsoft, why cant they just say "This is our VR headset"

catbeans25 m ago

Still no idea what a mixed reality headset does over just a VR headset?


You can see the real world around you and overlay things on to it. In a VR headset you can only see graphics.

MSK.13 m ago

You can see the real world around you and overlay things on to it. In a …You can see the real world around you and overlay things on to it. In a VR headset you can only see graphics.


That would be AR Augmented Reality (think pokemon). Most of these new devices are VR

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mas996 m ago

That would be AR Augmented Reality (think pokemon). Most of these new …That would be AR Augmented Reality (think pokemon). Most of these new devices are VR


It IS confusing because Mixed Reality headsets have two cameras built into the front of the headset - but these are for tracking you and your controllers in the virtual world and do not present a pass through to the real world! (see my earlier comment)

Having said that this is undoubtedly the best VR you have seen!

rd3d21 h, 48 m ago

It IS confusing because Mixed Reality headsets have two cameras built into …It IS confusing because Mixed Reality headsets have two cameras built into the front of the headset - but these are for tracking you and your controllers in the virtual world and do not present a pass through to the real world! (see my earlier comment)Having said that this is undoubtedly the best VR you have seen!




Ok, what do you actually use it for? And is it better than just a VR headset?

Original Poster

IMO yes - the default interface is an experience in itself ("The Cliff house") and you can run multiple apps in Windows resized as large as you like and placed anywhere within your new home (as well as launching into Full VR Apps)

One bad thing about the Dell, it's quite heavy at 834g versus 470g for the Rift and Vive, 645g for the Samsung and the other mixed reality sets are under 400g.

Obvious question - can you use these with software that supports either the Rift or Vive?
Edited by: "simonbrown" 21st Oct

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simonbrown2 h, 29 m ago

One bad thing about the Dell, it's quite heavy at 834g versus 470g for the …One bad thing about the Dell, it's quite heavy at 834g versus 470g for the Rift and Vive, 645g for the Samsung and the other mixed reality sets are under 400g. Obvious question - can you use these with software that supports either the Rift or Vive?


Steam VR has kind of become the de-facto standard across the Vive and Rift but is not supported yet - though Microsoft say it is coming "later"

The acer model is out next week and includes controllers for £399 just to add more confusion and choice.

Original Poster

I think the Acer came out on 17th but it looks like Microsoft has gone out of stock but still available through Very:
very.co.uk/ace…prd

Banned

I'm just confused now?
*runs away, sticks on the vive and hides in the corner whimpering*

......fackin teckers!!

They are all reference hardware, the important bits are the same on all of the them. The only choice is design and comfort.

rd3d219 h, 54 m ago

It IS confusing because Mixed Reality headsets have two cameras built into …It IS confusing because Mixed Reality headsets have two cameras built into the front of the headset - but these are for tracking you and your controllers in the virtual world and do not present a pass through to the real world! (see my earlier comment)Having said that this is undoubtedly the best VR you have seen!


I seriously doubt that

To anyone thinking of buying one I'd read a few reviews first, all the ones I've seen have been largely negative. Also bear in mind the minimum graphics card is a motherboard integrated one!

If you have Facebook have a look at the group "Microsoft MR (Mixed/Virtual Reality) News and Reviews", the person who bought one of these (and who owns all the other headsets) is presently returning it :-) Not for being faulty but it's inherent design flaws
Edited by: "Shard" 22nd Oct

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Shard1 h, 7 m ago

I seriously doubt that


My opinion is based on my personal experience - I looked at the market and yes, the Vive and Rift are great but showing their age (It's a fast moving market). The Mixed Reality Headsets (all of them) have a higher spec and similar (or lower) price that the Rift or Vive and are worthy of our attention but as ever I would advise anyone to go and compare:
moremixedreality.com/mar…uk/

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mtc11 h, 40 m ago

They are all reference hardware, the important bits are the same on all of …They are all reference hardware, the important bits are the same on all of the them. The only choice is design and comfort.



True in the main but then Samsung uses OLED displays instead of LCD and also has a higher resolution display so it is worth looking carefully at all the options if you are serious about buying.
Edited by: "rd3d2" 22nd Oct

rd3d212 m ago

True in the main but then Samsung uses OLED displays instead of LCD and …True in the main but then Samsung uses OLED displays instead of LCD and also has a higher resolution display so it is worth looking carefully at all the options if you are serious about buying.


The Samsung isn't coming to the UK. The Samsung has physically larger panels, the pixel density is nearly 15% lower than the others 615ppi v 705ppi. So in reality it isn't higher resolution at all.
Edited by: "mtc1" 22nd Oct

The Rift and Vive fanboys should be welcoming Windows Mixed Reality, it's not as though VR is a runaway success. Microsoft are trying to make mixed reality (VR & AR) headsets as common and universal as the the PC monitor.

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mtc17 m ago

The Samsung isn't coming to the UK and because the Samsung has physically …The Samsung isn't coming to the UK and because the Samsung has physically larger panels the pixel density is nearly 15% lower than the others 615ppi v 705ppi so in reality it isn't higher resolution at all.



mtc17 m ago

The Samsung isn't coming to the UK and because the Samsung has physically …The Samsung isn't coming to the UK and because the Samsung has physically larger panels the pixel density is nearly 15% lower than the others 615ppi v 705ppi so in reality it isn't higher resolution at all.

I might agree with your argument if we were talking about external displays but because all headsets are in close proximity to your eyes the pixel resolution is the key differentiator for the final visual experience.

rd3d222 m ago

I might agree with your argument if we were talking about external …I might agree with your argument if we were talking about external displays but because all headsets are in close proximity to your eyes the pixel resolution is the key differentiator for the final visual experience.


I think you've got that the wrong way round, pixel density is the main factor when it comes to VR screens as they are so close to your eyes. Of course optics and screen type also play a big part. There are pro's and con's for both LCD & OLED.

The Samsung likely has a slightly wider field of view but the pixel density is significantly lower, personally i would rather have the higher ppi.

I'm happy to pay £319 for the Lenovo with controllers as i'm only paying £219 for the headset, i'm well aware that it won't be long before we start seeing panels with 2000ppi per eye.
Edited by: "mtc1" 22nd Oct

mtc132 m ago

The Rift and Vive fanboys should be welcoming Windows Mixed Reality, it's …The Rift and Vive fanboys should be welcoming Windows Mixed Reality, it's not as though VR is a runaway success. Microsoft are trying to make mixed reality (VR & AR) headsets as common and universal as the the PC monitor.


As a rule it's Apple that popularizes technologies, Microsoft have a long history of failed hardware attempts behind them.

Genuine question, what apps are there for this headset at the mo? Can you run any of the universal killer apps like Google Earth or Superhot VR? Or is this purely aimed at business users?

^^^Yeap, I am waiting to see how these work with games, which strangly is very hard to find any footage of on YT at all at this time, and the odd video i found of these MR headsets working always seem to be on their own dash with somebody who seems to be wearing a neck brace and moves their head really slowly. lol

But on a postive note i hear the hardware requirements for MR headsets is way way way lower, and that is really good to hear and will allow VR into a lot more people shands, so that is a massive possitive for VR in general.
Edited by: "XP200" 22nd Oct

Original Poster

I think what Microsoft are trying to do is rally all the hardware suppliers (Dell,Acer,Asus,Fujitsu,Samsung,Lenovo etc) around a single platform. A bit like IBM when the IBM Compatible market was opened up back in the 80s but this time instead of rallying around a hardware platform the hope is that the hardware manufacturers will rally around a software platform!

So far so good but now it's up to consumers I guess.

Shard2 h, 6 m ago

As a rule it's Apple that popularizes technologies, Microsoft have a long …As a rule it's Apple that popularizes technologies, Microsoft have a long history of failed hardware attempts behind them. Genuine question, what apps are there for this headset at the mo? Can you run any of the universal killer apps like Google Earth or Superhot VR? Or is this purely aimed at business users?



I'm not sure about Google Earth but Superhot VR is on the MS store.

Re earlier comment, minimum spec being motherboard integrated graphics is a good thing as the Vive and Rift's are medium-high end.

I agree Apple has a good track record of improving existing technology and they may end up doing better in consumer AR than competitors, because of the volumes of existing devices/users.

For VR though it seems killer consumer apps are gaming and media consumption, with business focused killer VR/AR apps being ones that allow customers to envisage the effect of the business' efforts (e.g. construction, home design etc).

I can see MS doing well in this space as they're relatively early in the space and they've already improved on existing hardware (inside out motion tracking as opposed to the slightly more complicated Vive and Rift setups).

For games, they have their own store as well as will shortly have access to the SteamVR store which will inevitably be the standard store for gaming.

Even without high spec machines Windows Mixed Reality offers something.

For consumers, it is being able to browse media in a different way and the ability to watch high definition content/movies in a cinema sized screen, as well as experience events such as sports, theatre and travel as if you're there.

For businesses, it is the ability on operating systems they will already be using to be able to allow customers to envisage their products/services in new ways. E.g. want to check that expensive hotel room you're about to book is the right choice for you? Experience all the options yourself directly using a VR hotel booking app!

Mel_Rodriguez-1123354013740 m ago

I'm not sure about Google Earth but Superhot VR is on the MS store.Re …I'm not sure about Google Earth but Superhot VR is on the MS store.Re earlier comment, minimum spec being motherboard integrated graphics is a good thing as the Vive and Rift's are medium-high end.I agree Apple has a good track record of improving existing technology and they may end up doing better in consumer AR than competitors, because of the volumes of existing devices/users.For VR though it seems killer consumer apps are gaming and media consumption, with business focused killer VR/AR apps being ones that allow customers to envisage the effect of the business' efforts (e.g. construction, home design etc).I can see MS doing well in this space as they're relatively early in the space and they've already improved on existing hardware (inside out motion tracking as opposed to the slightly more complicated Vive and Rift setups). For games, they have their own store as well as will shortly have access to the SteamVR store which will inevitably be the standard store for gaming.Even without high spec machines Windows Mixed Reality offers something.For consumers, it is being able to browse media in a different way and the ability to watch high definition content/movies in a cinema sized screen, as well as experience events such as sports, theatre and travel as if you're there. For businesses, it is the ability on operating systems they will already be using to be able to allow customers to envisage their products/services in new ways. E.g. want to check that expensive hotel room you're about to book is the right choice for you? Experience all the options yourself directly using a VR hotel booking app!


That has to be the longest post I've ever seen from someone who has joined today :-)

mtc15 h, 0 m ago

The Rift and Vive fanboys should be welcoming Windows Mixed Reality, it's …The Rift and Vive fanboys should be welcoming Windows Mixed Reality, it's not as though VR is a runaway success. Microsoft are trying to make mixed reality (VR & AR) headsets as common and universal as the the PC monitor.



Microsoft have a poor reputation in making anything work properly. They are always two steps behind everyone else. Windows 8 was a botched attempt to get their Windows Store to the masses, and Windows 10 is an apology for that. They've rebranded the Windows Store now to Microsoft Store. App stores just don't work on desktop operating systems, I have Windows 10 and macOS and I don't use the stores on either operating system. App stores work for tablets and phones, but not so well on fully fledged operating systems where there aren't as many restrictions to installing apps.

I use Windows 10 in work but at home I use macOS and Linux, Windows 10 I would use for gaming if I did that.

fishmaster12 m ago

Microsoft have a poor reputation in making anything work properly. They …Microsoft have a poor reputation in making anything work properly. They are always two steps behind everyone else. Windows 8 was a botched attempt to get their Windows Store to the masses, and Windows 10 is an apology for that. They've rebranded the Windows Store now to Microsoft Store. App stores just don't work on desktop operating systems, I have Windows 10 and macOS and I don't use the stores on either operating system. App stores work for tablets and phones, but not so well on fully fledged operating systems where there aren't as many restrictions to installing apps. I use Windows 10 in work but at home I use macOS and Linux, Windows 10 I would use for gaming if I did that.


They must be doing something right to have the market share they do. Especially in business.

CoeK4 m ago

They must be doing something right to have the market share they do. …They must be doing something right to have the market share they do. Especially in business.



Microsoft make more money out of their cloud computing business than even Amazon, so that tells you exactly where they make their money.

fishmaster1 m ago

Microsoft make more money out of their cloud computing business than even …Microsoft make more money out of their cloud computing business than even Amazon, so that tells you exactly where they make their money.


Im not a Microsoft share holder so where they make or lose money is irrelevant to me.

CoeK4 m ago

Im not a Microsoft share holder so where they make or lose money is …Im not a Microsoft share holder so where they make or lose money is irrelevant to me.


Sorry the acid must have kicked in again as I find your reply to be completely illogical and deviating totally from the thread of this conversation. Ah well that's what drugs do.

fishmaster10 m ago

Sorry the acid must have kicked in again as I find your reply to be …Sorry the acid must have kicked in again as I find your reply to be completely illogical and deviating totally from the thread of this conversation. Ah well that's what drugs do.


Yes it seems to have.

I said they have a large market share. Desktop computing at home and in businesses therefore they must do something right. They also according to you have a large share of the cloud computing market which they are also doing well at obviously.

I'm not sure you can conclude from that they can't make things work and are behind anyone...

The reason I said I don't care about their sources of revenue is because I was discussing market share, not their revenue.

It's absolute nonsense to say Microsoft have a poor reputation for making things work, for a tech company to stay at the top of the game for 30 years is amazing, all companies have ups and downs but Microsoft have remained relatively stable.
Windows, Office, Xbox, Azure - all outstanding market leading products.

mtc18 h, 28 m ago

The Samsung has physically larger panels, the pixel density is nearly 15% …The Samsung has physically larger panels, the pixel density is nearly 15% lower than the others 615ppi v 705ppi. So in reality it isn't higher resolution at all.


PPI measurements are irrelevant for headsets. A better way to compare is angular pixel density.

When comparing the Dell with the Samsung, regardless of the physical size of the panels, both optics will pack all quoted (horizontal) pixels of 2880 into the quoted (horizontal) FOV of 110 degrees. So, in that regard, both have the exact the same perceived density. The added advantage of the Samsung is that OLED will give you true blacks. Also, the Samsung has an extra 160 pixels of vertical real-estate - though, i wouldn't put that down to much.

The only thing to watch out for in OLED is that they may be (unconfirmed) using Pentile sub-pixel arrangement. From my own experience, that is really poor for VR - so much so in fact, I'd settle for LCD instead.

mtc18 h, 13 m ago

I'm happy to pay £319 for the Lenovo with controllers as i'm only paying …I'm happy to pay £319 for the Lenovo with controllers as i'm only paying £219 for the headset


Where do I find the Lenovo with controllers for £319?

Its great to finally see some other companies release vr stuff. This is a good deal and if any thing it should drive the prices of the oculus and vive a bit lower. I will wait for some reviews first but the specs look good.

mtc158 m ago

It's absolute nonsense to say Microsoft have a poor reputation for making …It's absolute nonsense to say Microsoft have a poor reputation for making things work, for a tech company to stay at the top of the game for 30 years is amazing, all companies have ups and downs but Microsoft have remained relatively stable.Windows, Office, Xbox, Azure - all outstanding market leading products.


Windows Mobile, they royally messed that up. Microsoft Zune, they royally messed that up. MSN Watch, ahead of their time and they messed that up and who even heard of it. Windows ME, Vista and 8 they totally screwed up there. These and other products have ruined their reputation as a tech company. They don't have the midas touch, quite the opposite in fact.
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