Dell Vostro 3900 Desktop PC i5 4460 3.2GHz, Win7Pro/Win8.1Pro , 4GB, 500GB HD CCLonline £279.99
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Dell Vostro 3900 Desktop PC i5 4460 3.2GHz, Win7Pro/Win8.1Pro , 4GB, 500GB HD CCLonline £279.99

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Found 3rd Jun 2016
For those that missed out the other day. It's a slightly higher price but still the cheapest I can find anywhere.

Does NOT come with the '19in1' card reader despite it showing in the picture
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As an official Dell Vostro 3900 i5 deal poster I fully endorse this deal and give it my seal of approval

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Cheers, having had my orders cancelled due to low stock on the other deals I thought I'd wait until my order was shipped before posting this one!
Curiously they have it also showing at the higher price cclonline.com/pro…63/
what would I need to do to make this a middle of the road gaming rig
I think the lower priced item is because it's a deal of the week

what would I need to do to make this a middle of the road gaming rig



An additional 3 x 4 GB DDR3 1600Mhz single channel sticks of RAM, 500w + PSU with gold/platinum efficiency and ideally multiple rails, 24 inch IPS monitor with at least 1080p resolution/144hz, gaming mouse with at least 1800 dpi and 1000 polls per second, mechanical keyboard, 480GB SSD with ncache 2 or some sort of 256bit bus, a decent graphics card - either GTX 960 4GB or higher if NVidia or R9 range like 380 if Radeon with 4GB ram too. Personally I'd get a GTX960 and wait for the latest Polaris cards from Radeon like RX480 with either 4 or 8 GB, a Sonus or XFI range sound card, a slick gaming mousemat, Dolby 3D Surround 7.1 compatable headset, a Steam account with some games.

what would I need to do to make this a middle of the road gaming rig


If you can wait for the new AMD cards due shortly, there should be one that will give you mid range performance without a power connector (assuming this machine's PSU doesn't have a PCIe connector). An additional 4 or 8 GB RAM would also help run things smoothly

An additional 3 x 4 GB DDR3 1600Mhz single channel sticks of RAM, 500w + … An additional 3 x 4 GB DDR3 1600Mhz single channel sticks of RAM, 500w + PSU with gold/platinum efficiency and ideally multiple rails, 24 inch IPS monitor with at least 1080p resolution/144hz, gaming mouse with at least 1800 dpi and 1000 polls per second, mechanical keyboard, 480GB SSD with ncache 2 or some sort of 256bit bus, a decent graphics card - either GTX 960 4GB or higher if NVidia or R9 range like 380 if Radeon with 4GB ram too. Personally I'd get a GTX960 and wait for the latest Polaris cards from Radeon like RX480 with either 4 or 8 GB, a Sonus or XFI range sound card, a slick gaming mousemat, Dolby 3D Surround 7.1 compatable headset, a Steam account with some games.



This seems very OTT. This is how you would make it a high-end gaming PC, which if you were interested in doing, it wouldn't make much sense to buy a base rig like this.

If you want to play games on it, the main thing you should pick up is a graphics card (one that can cope with the fairly weak power supply such as a Nvidia 750ti). Some other upgrades could be additional RAM, addition of an SSD, and any peripherals you want to pick up; but all of these have only marginal impact on performance.

what would I need to do to make this a middle of the road gaming rig



What do you want to play and at what resolution.
My middle of the road will likely be your very high end.

I would honestly say build your own or get someone to make one for you.
If you buy this you will need to check the motherboard has a free pci e slot and that the power supply can provide enough wattage and if it has the right connectors otherwise they need changing.
Far too much hassle imo.

If you need any advice just quote/pm me and I'll help however I can.

what would I need to do to make this a middle of the road gaming rig


in the other Dell desktop deal posts people have upgraded more ram, 4GB for £13, maybe a £130 950 GTX card (the care that doesn't require any additional power connectors as this Dell doesn't have any) and an SSD for £30 to £100

That would be a cheapish way to get a semi decent setup. But note this is an home/office desktop so it's not really the basis of a highly upgradeable gaming rig. Real hardcore gamers should probably look eleswhere
Edited by: "spannerzone" 4th Jun 2016

what would I need to do to make this a middle of the road gaming rig



We'd need to know what games you want to run on it. Whilst Windows 8.1 works fine, I'd still upgrade to Windows 10, it can be a dog of an OS but there is a big update coming up for Windows 10 soon, so it's worth sticking with, also you'll have Direct X 12 support which will make a difference or not depending on the graphics card you install.

Windows 10 Consumer Roadmap so far :

Initial release : Build 10240
Threshold 2 also known as November 2015 update : Build 10586 (Current build is 10586.318)
Redstone update: Unreleased due soon

You can find out your version of Windows 10 by typing Winver in to the search box on the taskbar or using the ver command in command prompt.

Edited by: "fishmaster" 4th Jun 2016

Some upgrade options:4GB memory from Crucial for £14.39An SSD of your … Some upgrade options:4GB memory from Crucial for £14.39An SSD of your choice- Integral from £24GTX950 Graphics card for £130



I picked up this offer soon after it was posted (nearly bought at CCL on eBay at £298.98 yesterday morning). I've bought the 480gb ssd upgrade from Amazon. Will there be anything on the 3900s currently installed hard drive that needs transferring over before I can switch? Or is OS and everything installed via disc?
robtallica

I picked up this offer soon after it was posted (nearly bought at CCL on … I picked up this offer soon after it was posted (nearly bought at CCL on eBay at £298.98 yesterday morning). I've bought the 480gb ssd upgrade from Amazon. Will there be anything on the 3900s currently installed hard drive that needs transferring over before I can switch? Or is OS and everything installed via disc?


Do you want to have Win7 Pro on your SSD or will you go straight to Win10 Pro?

This PC does NOT come with a Win7 install DVD, it has a Win8.1pro disc supplied.

You can clone current Win7Pro over to the SSD using Macrium Reflect software (free)

You can install Win10 Pro onto the SSD drive from scratch, ie just download the MS Win10 media creation tool and put onto DVD or USB stick (read 'perform a clean installation using USB or DVD' on that page), then install SSD, boot up with w10 DVD/USB you created and install. Nothing is required from the Win7 software to do this.

Do you want to have Win7 Pro on your SSD or will you go straight to Win10 … Do you want to have Win7 Pro on your SSD or will you go straight to Win10 Pro?This PC does NOT come with a Win7 install DVD, it has a Win8.1pro disc supplied.You can clone current Win7Pro over to the SSD using Macrium Reflect software (free)You can install Win10 Pro onto the SSD drive from scratch, ie just download the MS Win10 media creation tool and put onto DVD or USB stick (read 'perform a clean installation using USB or DVD' on that page), then install SSD, boot up with w10 DVD/USB you created and install. Nothing is required from the Win7 software to do this.



Thanks for your help. I'll be going straight to Windows 10 pro.
robtallica

Thanks for your help. I'll be going straight to Windows 10 pro.


OK that's easy, download the Win10 software and create your USB or DVD install. Install the SSD (maybe remove the existing HD for this stage to keep install going onto SSD not HD) then boot up PC, follow install instructions for installing a clean installation rather than an upgrade and let Win10 do its thing.

NOTE! - if using USB stick to install Win10, after maybe 30 mins it will have installed...... and reboots the PC - if you have left the USB stick in the PC, it will go back and attempt to install Win 10 from the beginning again! - so keep an eye on the install.... when it says it's going to reboot the PC you should remove USB stick/DVD at the reboot.
I and others have got caught out with this, as I leave the PC installing and go off to do other things!

More here, read the "Doing a clean installation of Windows 10"


Edited by: "spannerzone" 4th Jun 2016

OK that's easy, download the Win10 software and create your USB or DVD … OK that's easy, download the Win10 software and create your USB or DVD install. Install the SSD (maybe remove the existing HD for this stage to keep install going onto SSD not HD) then boot up PC, follow install instructions for installing a clean installation rather than an upgrade and let Win10 do its thing.NOTE! - if using USB stick to install Win10, after maybe 30 mins it will have installed...... and reboots the PC - if you have left the USB stick in the PC, it will go back and attempt to install Win 10 from the beginning again! - so keep an eye on the install.... when it says it's going to reboot the PC you should remove USB stick/DVD at the reboot.I and others have got caught out with this, as I leave the PC installing and go off to do other things!More here, read the "Doing a clean installation of Windows 10"



Good stuff there

I would add that the tool to easily create the latest bootable media is Microsoft's Media Creation Tool found here (make a bootable USB stick not DVD) >

microsoft.com/en-…ISO

Boot Menu on this Dell is by pressing F12 at bootup. Hopefully this Dell is already setup for UEFI mode, but we won't get in to that as the media creation tool will create bootable media that will work in MBR or UEFI mode.

MBR means master boot record, you can find definitions of it online, suffice to say it's the old way of booting your PC.

UEFI: means unified extensible firmware interface: again definitions are online, suffice to say, it's the new faster way of booting your machine.

The definitions above are very loose, just to give you an idea of what those acronyms mean to a new user.
After getting my order cancelled I ordered this one for 279. They said had 72 I'm warehouse ready to shop at 4.30pm Thursday, I ordered just before 5pm and was delivered at 9.30am yesterday Friday. I added extra 4gb ram a ssd unplugged the sata cable from the 500gb win 8 existing drive. Used the Microsoft media creation tool listed above to create a USB stick with win 10 Pro 64 in UK English. Booted machine with that in and choose the clean install was quick and easy. Didn't remove my USB stuck and didn't seem to matter for me. Windows was up and running within an hour opened up later in day added the GTX 950 low watt card the new realise one 75w. Not there is an old model that needs more power and a power connector that pc doesn't have.

Everything really easy no driver issues no problems. I updated the GTX driver from Web and downloaded my monitor driver from Web but seems to try and help you do that now.

Needed a sata? Red data cable for extra ssd. If buying one get a longer one not the shortest mine was short just reached. I put ssd under the old had and attached at a bit of a angle with one screw to one side of the hard drive mount but was tight with short cable.

Anyone know if matters which hdd connection use on the motherboard speed wise they had 2 and I used the second.
I just got asked a sensible question about installing Win10, you will be asked to input your product key but there's no sticker on the PC (the product key is embedded in the BIOS) - fear not, just choose the 'I don't have a product key' and Win10 will find the key in the BIOS and job's done.

I just got asked a sensible question about installing Win10, you will be … I just got asked a sensible question about installing Win10, you will be asked to input your product key but there's no sticker on the PC (the product key is embedded in the BIOS) - fear not, just choose the 'I don't have a product key' and Win10 will find the key in the BIOS and job's done.



Windows 10 won't ask you for a product key if the key is stored on the motherboard, it will just install and activate itself. That's my experience anyway. Some machines and they have been Dell and Alienware don't store the key in the MSDM table in the BIOS, I haven't used this machine in this deal, but if they give you the licence key then type it in when it asks, you can do it later if you wish.


MSDM:Microsoft Data Management table
BIOS: Basic Input Output System
Edited by: "fishmaster" 4th Jun 2016

After getting my order cancelled I ordered this one for 279. They said … After getting my order cancelled I ordered this one for 279. They said had 72 I'm warehouse ready to shop at 4.30pm Thursday, I ordered just before 5pm and was delivered at 9.30am yesterday Friday. I added extra 4gb ram a ssd unplugged the sata cable from the 500gb win 8 existing drive. Used the Microsoft media creation tool listed above to create a USB stick with win 10 Pro 64 in UK English. Booted machine with that in and choose the clean install was quick and easy. Didn't remove my USB stuck and didn't seem to matter for me. Windows was up and running within an hour opened up later in day added the GTX 950 low watt card the new realise one 75w. Not there is an old model that needs more power and a power connector that pc doesn't have. Everything really easy no driver issues no problems. I updated the GTX driver from Web and downloaded my monitor driver from Web but seems to try and help you do that now. Needed a sata? Red data cable for extra ssd. If buying one get a longer one not the shortest mine was short just reached. I put ssd under the old had and attached at a bit of a angle with one screw to one side of the hard drive mount but was tight with short cable. Anyone know if matters which hdd connection use on the motherboard speed wise they had 2 and I used the second.



Does the PSU have a power cable for the SSD?
Bummed I missed out on this deal last time, but just just picked up a 4690k, gtx 960 4gb, and z97 pro-gamer mobo for this price. Silver linings and all that.
As others have said you'd definitely want to upgrade RAM on this. 4gb with Windows 8 or 10 runs like a dog, especially with Cortana and other system processes rinsing so much memory.
Makes a nice change to of actually had a dispatch email for this one. #inyourfaceebuyer
Hi all

I'm looking for a pc which will be able to play Cities: Skylines, the most 'intense' game I plan to use. Would this be a good start point? What kind of additional kit would I need?

Cheers

After getting my order cancelled I ordered this one for 279. They said … After getting my order cancelled I ordered this one for 279. They said had 72 I'm warehouse ready to shop at 4.30pm Thursday, I ordered just before 5pm and was delivered at 9.30am yesterday Friday. I added extra 4gb ram a ssd unplugged the sata cable from the 500gb win 8 existing drive. Used the Microsoft media creation tool listed above to create a USB stick with win 10 Pro 64 in UK English. Booted machine with that in and choose the clean install was quick and easy. Didn't remove my USB stuck and didn't seem to matter for me. Windows was up and running within an hour opened up later in day added the GTX 950 low watt card the new realise one 75w. Not there is an old model that needs more power and a power connector that pc doesn't have. Everything really easy no driver issues no problems. I updated the GTX driver from Web and downloaded my monitor driver from Web but seems to try and help you do that now. Needed a sata? Red data cable for extra ssd. If buying one get a longer one not the shortest mine was short just reached. I put ssd under the old had and attached at a bit of a angle with one screw to one side of the hard drive mount but was tight with short cable. Anyone know if matters which hdd connection use on the motherboard speed wise they had 2 and I used the second.



Glad it went well for you.

If it is the Asus you ordered, it is well worth overclocking to 1400 MHz processor and 7GHz memory. Just under 20% increase in frame rate.

Bummed I missed out on this deal last time, but just just picked up a … Bummed I missed out on this deal last time, but just just picked up a 4690k, gtx 960 4gb, and z97 pro-gamer mobo for this price. Silver linings and all that.


Where from please mate?
My setup is pretty similar but with 16gb ram, an ssd and a GTX 960. I put my spec into a power calculator site and it came up with under 300w (load). So rather than spending £80 - £100 on an excessive PSU, I went for 430w Seasonic for £40. More than enough power and good quality too.
fishmaster

Windows 10 won't ask you for a product key if the key is stored on the … Windows 10 won't ask you for a product key if the key is stored on the motherboard, it will just install and activate itself. That's my experience anyway. Some machines and they have been Dell and Alienware don't store the key in the MSDM table in the BIOS, I haven't used this machine in this deal, but if they give you the licence key then type it in when it asks, you can do it later if you wish.MSDM:Microsoft Data Management tableBIOS: Basic Input Output System



What I found was when installing Windows 10 onto my Vostro 3900 I wanted a clean install (not an upgrade) and this was onto a new blank SSD drive, so when running the installer it gives options to upgrade or fresh install, that option then asks for a product key or you tick the 'i don't have a product key' which still allows it to install and then after installation Win10 discovers the product key from the BIOS like you described.

Doing a Win7/8 upgrade to Win10 does not ask for any product key as you already have a licenced product which it then upgrades.

For info, you can easy discover your product key from the BIOS on this machine by using RW Everything, info here

Sherthorn

Does the PSU have a power cable for the SSD?


Yes it has 2 spare SATA power connectors, one next to the hard drive and one next to the DVD drive. It does not come with a spare SATA cable, get a 12" SATA cable to give you options as where to place the SSD.
Nice detailed picture here: content.hwigroup.net/ima…jpg
Edited by: "spannerzone" 4th Jun 2016
James90012

Hi allI'm looking for a pc which will be able to play Cities: Skylines, … Hi allI'm looking for a pc which will be able to play Cities: Skylines, the most 'intense' game I plan to use. Would this be a good start point? What kind of additional kit would I need?Cheers


A quick look suggests the only issue is that the game won't run on intel built in graphics (which this has) so you'd need to factor in an additional graphics card.

systemrequirementslab.com/cyr…489

They also suggest 6GB ram although 4GB is the minimum required - another 4GB ram is only about £14 so well worth it as would an SSD drive but all depends on budget.
Alexc100

As others have said you'd definitely want to upgrade RAM on this. 4gb … As others have said you'd definitely want to upgrade RAM on this. 4gb with Windows 8 or 10 runs like a dog, especially with Cortana and other system processes rinsing so much memory.


Well worth doing for such a low price of around £14 but I actually haven't found W8 or W10 particularly shows much improvement going from 4 to 8 GB other then when I'm doing video editing or running a virtual machine. But then I've turned off cortana and other pointless apps

[quote=Sherthorn] Nice detailed picture here: … [quote=Sherthorn] Nice detailed picture here: http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products_xl/331298/3/dell-vostro-3900.jpg


Thanks for that Spannerzone - I had the laptops direct order cancelled so ordered this one - I have never had the back off a computer can I ask if you don't mind:
- Is the power supply the P3 & P5 and will the P5 stretch to an SSD put in the bay below the HDD?
-do you connect the ssd data cable to the light grey HDD2 next to the blue one, or would you swap it with the blue one?
- If I wanted to put in a card reader by the DVD drive would I connect the sata data cable to the black ODD1?

What I found was when installing Windows 10 onto my Vostro 3900 I wanted … What I found was when installing Windows 10 onto my Vostro 3900 I wanted a clean install (not an upgrade) and this was onto a new blank SSD drive, so when running the installer it gives options to upgrade or fresh install, that option then asks for a product key or you tick the 'i don't have a product key' which still allows it to install and then after installation Win10 discovers the product key from the BIOS like you described.Doing a Win7/8 upgrade to Win10 does not ask for any product key as you already have a licenced product which it then upgrades.For info, you can easy discover your product key from the BIOS on this machine by using RW Everything, info here



Yeah RW Everything can be useful, although with the amount of installs I do a week, I find I never use it as I either have the key on a COA sticker or the Windows installation finds the key in the MSDM table in the BIOS in the motherboard.
retiredcynic

Thanks for that Spannerzone - I had the laptops direct order cancelled so … Thanks for that Spannerzone - I had the laptops direct order cancelled so ordered this one - I have never had the back off a computer can I ask if you don't mind

:
My answers in bold:
- Is the power supply the P3 & P5 and will the P5 stretch to an SSD put in the bay below the HDD?
Yes the P3 and P5 are the SATA power connectors for 2 hard drives - Now the tricky thing is that an SSD is smaller and many would use a 2.5" to 3.5" adaptor bracket to mount it there, the trouble is the SSD is then centrally mounted and the 2 power connectors are spaced too closely to allow easy fitting (the lead just won't easily stretch) you can get it to work by rejiigging drives OR much easier is to mount the SSD under the DVD drive at the top of the case, there's another spare SATA power plug there. You'll need a 12" SATA data cable to reach there. Sticky tape/velco easily holds the SSD up there
-do you connect the ssd data cable to the light grey HDD2 next to the blue one, or would you swap it with the blue one?
I ran a new SATA cable to the SATA 1 port (where the current hard drive blue cable is) and plugged the existing hard drive blue cable into the other unused SATA2 port - I wanted SSD as primary booting drive so put it in socket HDD1
- If I wanted to put in a card reader by the DVD drive would I connect the sata data cable to the black ODD1?
Card reader is almost impossible to buy,if you want a genuine easy to fit Dell one. I don't think the card reader used a SATA data cable or a SATA power cable to operate, it uses a 16 pin plug (or similar) that connects to the motherboard.
fishmaster

Yeah RW Everything can be useful, although with the amount of installs I … Yeah RW Everything can be useful, although with the amount of installs I do a week, I find I never use it as I either have the key on a COA sticker or the Windows installation finds the key in the MSDM table in the BIOS in the motherboard.


So you'd just run new install of Win10 and tick the 'i don't have a product key' option? that's the only way I could see that lets you proceed with a fresh install.

Thanks a lot Spannerzone I really appreciate your help, perhaps my terminology is wrong, I was was thinking of a card reader similar to this One It talks about a 9 pin isd usb connector. I don't know if the motherboard has one or where it would be?

retiredcynic

Thanks for that Spannerzone - I had the laptops direct order cancelled … Thanks for that Spannerzone - I had the laptops direct order cancelled so ordered this one - I have never had the back off a computer can I ask if you don't mind

:
My answers in bold:
- Is the power supply the P3 & P5 and will the P5 stretch to an SSD put in the bay below the HDD?Yes the P3 and P5 are the SATA power connectors for 2 hard drives - Now the tricky thing is that an SSD is smaller and many would use a 2.5" to 3.5" adaptor bracket to mount it there, the trouble is the SSD is then centrally mounted and the 2 power connectors are spaced too closely to allow easy fitting (the lead just won't easily stretch) you can get it to work by rejiigging drives OR much easier is to mount the SSD under the DVD drive at the top of the case, there's another spare SATA power plug there. You'll need a 12" SATA data cable to reach there. Sticky tape/velco easily holds the SSD up there
-do you connect the ssd data cable to the light grey HDD2 next to the blue one, or would you swap it with the blue one?I ran a new SATA cable to the SATA 1 port (where the current hard drive blue cable is) and plugged the existing hard drive blue cable into the other unused SATA2 port - I wanted SSD as primary booting drive so put it in socket HDD1
- If I wanted to put in a card reader by the DVD drive would I connect the sata data cable to the black ODD1?Card reader is almost impossible to buy,if you want a genuine easy to fit Dell one. I don't think the card reader used a SATA data cable or a SATA power cable to operate, it uses a 16 pin plug (or similar) that connects to the motherboard.[/quote]
OK that should hopefully plug into the connector on the motherboard, look at page 13 on the manual
content.etilize.com/Use…pdf

I'd hope (but can't guarantee) that the connector that Dell use is the same config as the one you list (the USB2 not the USB3 version)

Looking at the motherboard photo you can clearly see a 9 pin connector unused which is for the Dell card reader.

http://topics-cdn.dell.com/Vos3900_3900G_3902MT_OM-v1/images/GUID-2ABC95B6-BBEF-4979-BDFF-4868E5DACC5F-low.jpg




Edited by: "spannerzone" 4th Jun 2016

This seems very OTT. This is how you would make it a high-end gaming PC, … This seems very OTT. This is how you would make it a high-end gaming PC, which if you were interested in doing, it wouldn't make much sense to buy a base rig like this. If you want to play games on it, the main thing you should pick up is a graphics card (one that can cope with the fairly weak power supply such as a Nvidia 750ti). Some other upgrades could be additional RAM, addition of an SSD, and any peripherals you want to pick up; but all of these have only marginal impact on performance.


OTT? I'd argue that spec I provided is very average middle of the road. You have paraphrased exactly what I said but just less specifically with each of the components except the PSU and sound card. Your couple of bits of specific advise are even bad: a 750ti is not middle of the road but low end and also all of those components would have a huge impact on performance, specifically for gaming.


Edited by: "Garble" 4th Jun 2016

Thanks a lot for your help - I'll wait until it comes and then have a look at the motherboard - on the picture that you posted there looks to be a 9pin and 19 pin connector that says usbf1 and usbf2 (I don't know what the difference is) so it could be one of those maybe. I guess they don't need a power supply then.

OK that should hopefully plug into the connector on the motherboard, look … OK that should hopefully plug into the connector on the motherboard, look at page 13 on the manualhttp://content.etilize.com/User-Manual/1032118510.pdfI'd hope (but can't guarantee) that the connector that Dell use is the same config as the one you list (the USB2 not the USB3 version)


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