Deluxe Manuka Honey Active 15+ 250g £4.29 @ Lidl
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Deluxe Manuka Honey Active 15+ 250g £4.29 @ Lidl

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I remember reading that 3 times more Manuka Honey is sold than is produced.
Fake Manuka Honey
I don't think they can sell fakes at supermarket.
jay19844

I don't think they can sell fakes at supermarket.


Not until they get caught.
mgb20

I remember reading that 3 times more Manuka Honey is sold than is … I remember reading that 3 times more Manuka Honey is sold than is produced.Fake Manuka Honey



You should change your name to Sherlock Holmes
jay19844

I don't think they can sell fakes at supermarket.



Didn't Lidl once get done for selling fake virgin olive oil? And didn't Tesco sell horse lasagne labelled as beef? Any product can, and will, be faked.
Oh well, you just have to believe that it's not a fake. There is no way to check it anyway.
jay19844

Oh well, you just have to believe that it's not a fake. There is no way … Oh well, you just have to believe that it's not a fake. There is no way to check it anyway.


There is an old saying - 'If it seems too good to be true then it probably is'.
jay19844

Oh well, you just have to believe that it's not a fake. There is no way … Oh well, you just have to believe that it's not a fake. There is no way to check it anyway.



Indeed and as there is no evidence at all that the honey has any health benefits beyond placebo then so long as you like the taste, or think it's doing you good, then does it really matter?
VDisillusioned

Indeed and as there is no evidence at all that the honey has any health … Indeed and as there is no evidence at all that the honey has any health benefits beyond placebo then so long as you like the taste, or think it's doing you good, then does it really matter?




Are you a Junior doctor ?
sweetpea10

Are you a Junior doctor ?



Why do you ask, I presume you are in need of one?
VDisillusioned

Why do you ask, I presume you are in need of one?



Your quote on health benefits of honey!

And really, would I come on here if they needed a doctor oO

As for health benefits - have you ever smelt this stuff - it's fabled antiseptic properties are obvious! Used it on a wound & helped it heal really well...
sweetpea10

Your quote on health benefits of honey!



No I think you mean my quote on the absense of the health benefits of Manuka honey, besides possibly placebo.
VDisillusioned

No I think you mean my quote on the absense of the health benefits of … No I think you mean my quote on the absense of the health benefits of Manuka honey, besides possibly placebo.



Is this really the place to argue whether honey has any benefits or not, its a deal site!
sweetpea10

Is this really the place to argue whether honey has any benefits or not, … Is this really the place to argue whether honey has any benefits or not, its a deal site!



Yes of course it is. This is a deals site - so people discuss whether a product in a deal is good value or not. If someone thinks a product is over hyped and not worth it's price then it's perfectly valid for them to say that.

As it is some people think Manuka honey does them good, though all the evidence suggests that the effect is just placebo, and this is a cheap jar of it. So it's a good deal for those who want it.

Personally I won't buy any and I think it would be an even better deal for those who do, to just refill the jar after they have eaten it with the cheapest honey. That way it could be a bargain that keeps giving for ever
Edited by: "VDisillusioned" 19th Sep 2015
sweetpea10

Your quote on health benefits of honey!And really, would I come on here … Your quote on health benefits of honey!And really, would I come on here if they needed a doctor oO


Of course there is proof and tonnes of it about the benefits of honey. Do you live on Uranus?
hiezra

Of course there is proof and tonnes of it about the benefits of honey. Do … Of course there is proof and tonnes of it about the benefits of honey. Do you live on Uranus?


So honey has been used since antiquity as a wound dressing and it turns out that the osmotic pressure of a super saturated sugar solution kills bacteria on contact by desiccating them. It's almost never used now because there are better alternatives available.
That's not your claim though is it? Your claim is that Manuka honey has some magical properties that give it unique health benefits. There is simply no evidence to support that claim at all. This is a con, plain and simple.
NHS used manuka honey cream on my dad's burn wounds recently. The honey definitely has antibacterial properties.
Cold.

Waiting for a deal on snake oil.
Baldieman64

So honey has been used since antiquity as a wound dressing and it turns … So honey has been used since antiquity as a wound dressing and it turns out that the osmotic pressure of a super saturated sugar solution kills bacteria on contact by desiccating them. It's almost never used now because there are better alternatives available. That's not your claim though is it? Your claim is that Manuka honey has some magical properties that give it unique health benefits. There is simply no evidence to support that claim at all. This is a con, plain and simple.


Well you are more stupid than you sound. You must watch a lot of tv
Not only are you rude hiezra, you are wrong. I challenge you to provide a link to a paper that supports your claim about manuka that isn't written in 'homeopathy times' or 'wishful thinkers weekly'
@Technodai

Manuka honey can kill P. aeruginosa - a problematic hospital pathogen

Manuka honey can kill MRSA - hospital pathogen

Manuka honey can effectively "reverse" resistance seen in MRSA

Manuka honey is an effective therapeutic agent (Source: I have a PhD in it and have worked on it for a long time). HOWEVER!!!!!! There is no scientific evidence to support EATING it has any beneficial effect on the body! Manuka honey is effective for TOPICAL applications (burns/scalds/leg ulcers etc...) and is available on the NHS! To completely write off manuka honey as "mumbo jumbo" is ridiculous! It works, and clears infections when conventional antibiotics cannot!
Hi is this available In store now or is it a upcoming special offer
Thanks
Also, on the comment of more is sold than is produced....

If you produce 100 g of manuka honey that has a UMF rating of 30+ then some might blend it with other honeys (effectively diluting manuka honey with a non-manuka honey, which shouldn't be allowed I might add) to give a 200g of UMF of 15+ (values for representative purposes). That is how you get more sold than produced. Blending a high UMF rating manuka honey with a low UMF rating honey is fine (although the use of the UMF rating is highly misleading in my opinion! and the classification needs to be changed - which it might in the near future )
TC13

Hi is this available In store now or is it a upcoming special offerThanks


I need to know same
May be cheap, but it's lidl so the kids will fill the basket with about 10 'stickeez' while I'm in there... Takes the edge of the value.
bellacocobean

I need to know same



This is available in stores now.
jay19844

250g jar



Thanks op picked up a few jars and was given 5 stikeez as well will keep the granddaughter happy
This is a Peroxide based Manuka honey so allot cheaper than Methylglyoxal based Manuka. There is a huge difference. You can read more at ManukaNews. Peroxide activity is NOT stable in heat, light or age, so any benefit is reduced very quickly. Methyglyoxal is a stable compound in Manuka and is used in wound care, as it can be gamma radiated with no loss to the active compound. The New Zealand Govenment are currently trying to clean up this market and the surrounding confusion. The FSA and Trading standards are also looking into this. Please contact me at Family Foods Ltd for any further detail or questions.
chihuahuathree

This is a Peroxide based Manuka honey so allot cheaper than Methylglyoxal … This is a Peroxide based Manuka honey so allot cheaper than Methylglyoxal based Manuka. There is a huge difference. You can read more at ManukaNews. Peroxide activity is NOT stable in heat, light or age, so any benefit is reduced very quickly. Methyglyoxal is a stable compound in Manuka and is used in wound care, as it can be gamma radiated with no loss to the active compound. The New Zealand Govenment are currently trying to clean up this market and the surrounding confusion. The FSA and Trading standards are also looking into this. Please contact me at Family Foods Ltd for any further detail or questions.



Why do manuka honey posts always attract sellers?

Slight word salad aside, do you have the test results for this product proving its lack of non-peroxide activity?

We will just ignore the fact that the evidence for the claims around manuka shows no significant effects, and your conflict of interest by denouncing one product and promoting yours.
Edited by: "yrreb88" 20th Sep 2015
I should also add that it is possible to blend other high Peroxide honey ( honeydew, bush honey and others) to raise the Peroxide level in the honey, then blend in a little Manuka and you have a very cheap blend. Pollen tests would show this. The average bulk price for a Methylglyoxal 15+ Manuka is £35,000+ per tonne ex works New Zealand, the maths do not add up for this product !
VDisillusioned

Indeed and as there is no evidence at all that the honey has any health … Indeed and as there is no evidence at all that the honey has any health benefits beyond placebo then so long as you like the taste, or think it's doing you good, then does it really matter?



and where did you get that from? A lot of research has gone into this.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub…759
VDisillusioned

Indeed and as there is no evidence at all that the honey has any health … Indeed and as there is no evidence at all that the honey has any health benefits beyond placebo then so long as you like the taste, or think it's doing you good, then does it really matter?




ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc…66/
VDisillusioned

Didn't Lidl once get done for selling fake virgin olive oil? And didn't … Didn't Lidl once get done for selling fake virgin olive oil? And didn't Tesco sell horse lasagne labelled as beef? Any product can, and will, be faked.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3042689/

there are many many more, but I shall stop as I think i made my point.
VDisillusioned

Indeed and as there is no evidence at all that the honey has any health … Indeed and as there is no evidence at all that the honey has any health benefits beyond placebo then so long as you like the taste, or think it's doing you good, then does it really matter?



Of course, if you're suggesting that Manuka honey is not any more potent than standard honey, then I completely agree with you.
AledRoberts

@TechnodaiManuka honey can kill P. aeruginosa - a problematic hospital … @TechnodaiManuka honey can kill P. aeruginosa - a problematic hospital pathogenManuka honey can kill MRSA - hospital pathogenManuka honey can effectively "reverse" resistance seen in MRSAManuka honey is an effective therapeutic agent (Source: I have a PhD in it and have worked on it for a long time). HOWEVER!!!!!! There is no scientific evidence to support EATING it has any beneficial effect on the body! Manuka honey is effective for TOPICAL applications (burns/scalds/leg ulcers etc...) and is available on the NHS! To completely write off manuka honey as "mumbo jumbo" is ridiculous! It works, and clears infections when conventional antibiotics cannot!



agree with you!
i tend to deal with facts when I discuss Manuka honey.
I also have not promoted my brand. I have been involved with Manuka for the last 7 years and have watched Manuka honey go from a waste product to liquid gold. The New Zealand Govenment published their independent review and labelling guidelines in July 2014. A simple Google search will find them. if you can be bothered you should read them carefully. You will then realise that in New Zealand they have banned the packing of Active, Total Active, Peroxide Active honey. The facts speak for themselves. i will also buy a jar tomorrow and arrange for the Methyglyoxal ( non-peroxide activity), to be tested at an independent lab and publish the results next week. I have nothing to hide and will happily debate this all year.
technodai

Not only are you rude hiezra, you are wrong. I challenge you to provide a … Not only are you rude hiezra, you are wrong. I challenge you to provide a link to a paper that supports your claim about manuka that isn't written in 'homeopathy times' or 'wishful thinkers weekly'




here you go
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21903658

you can try searching on pubmed.
Regarding the medicinal benefits of Manuka honey, they are significant. We only use Methyglyoxal based Manuka as it withstands Gamma, there is significant reserch and benefit for using Methylglyoxal based Manuka (NPA). Look at Derma Science website for a start.
Peroxide blended Manuka honey has less benefits, that is why the NZ Govenment are trying to clean up the industry, with the support of the FSA and trading standards, with a bit of DEFRA thrown in !
yrreb88

Why do manuka honey posts always attract sellers? Slight word salad … Why do manuka honey posts always attract sellers? Slight word salad aside, do you have the test results for this product proving its lack of non-peroxide activity? We will just ignore the fact that the evidence for the claims around manuka shows no significant effects, and your conflict of interest by denouncing one product and promoting yours.



Please review New Zealand Government guidelines on Manuka honey, published July 2014, simple search on Google. This will hopefully give you some background to the industry challenges. I am happy to answer any questions you might have. Please also note I have not promoted my business or brand on this website, I am simply trying to educate using facts!
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