Denon DP-300 Turntable VIP Deal @ Richer Sounds for £199
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Denon DP-300 Turntable VIP Deal @ Richer Sounds for £199

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Found 13th Apr 2016
This looks to be an excellent price for a very well rated Turntable, I'm certainly tempted.

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Quality sound matched with ease of use makes the Denon DP300 a classic all-rounder.

Quality construction for the best sound
Using a 4mm-thick cabinet, the Denon DP300's plinth offers both rigidity and high density for the lowest levels of distortion. The aluminium platter also gives much better sonic results than plastic. Finished in gloss black it looks a cut above more basic decks and is the ideal match for your other, full-width, Hi-Fi separates.

High performance tonearm and cartridge
Compatible with a wide range of cartridges, the straight tonearm used by the DP300 offers superior tracking ability. A good quality MM (Moving Magnet) cartridge is included in the package to get you started with minimum fuss.

Fully automatic for ease of use
Unlike more minimalist decks, the DP300 combines great sound quality with total ease of use. Simply select the size of the record and the tonearm starts at just the right place. It also features auto-return, so you don't need to worry about damaging the stylus at the end of the record.

Connect up to any system with an AUX input
The built-in phono stage means that you don't even need to use an amplifier or system with a dedicated turntable input - any system with an AUX input in will do.

Get the best sound, hassle-free, with the Denon DP300.

93 Comments

Original Poster

Theres a decent unboxing video here....
youtube.com/wat…E5k

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27359204/denon.PNG
Edited by: "busterdan" 13th Apr 2016

So you got the email too then ;-)

Original Poster

adrianjowitt

So you got the email too then ;-)



​of course..... did I bet you to it?

Original Poster

beat!

not direct drive so cold. plus it's £299 if you are not a VIP. Spend the same amount and buy a technics 1210 on eBay (yes it will be USED but if looked after you can't go wrong)

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djlondon22

not direct drive so cold. plus it's £299 if you are not a VIP. Spend the … not direct drive so cold. plus it's £299 if you are not a VIP. Spend the same amount and buy a technics 1210 on eBay (yes it will be USED but if looked after you can't go wrong)



Nothing wrong with belt drive... unless of course you are DJ (like yourself?).... a Technics DJ deck would be over kill for what I want and look a bit rubbish with all my AV stuff. Audio Technica do a nice direct drive deck that is well rated and can be bought for less than £200.

djlondon22

not direct drive so cold. plus it's £299 if you are not a VIP. Spend the … not direct drive so cold. plus it's £299 if you are not a VIP. Spend the same amount and buy a technics 1210 on eBay (yes it will be USED but if looked after you can't go wrong)


Ridiculous reason to vote cold.
The best turntables ever made are belt driven (Roksan, Linn, Pink Triangle etc etc) all of the sonically blow the Technics out of the water.
Edited by: "mrew42" 14th Apr 2016

Direct drive is only really important if you're DJing and want to scratch - it allows the platter to get back to normal speed very quickly. For the best quality sound belt driven is usually better as it isolates the platter from motor noise.

A good belt driven turntable used is an investment imho

i'm after one, would this work well with my denon av amp? i think the built in phone stage should make it would via normal phono inputs?
not sure how this would compare to a rega planar 2 which i had years ago - i would need a separate phono stage with this one though

Direct drive? Belt drive? All it has to do is turn a piece of plastic at a constant speed. So many people fooling themselves that they can hear a difference, but 'twas ever thus...

mrew42

Ridiculous reason to vote cold.The best turntables ever made are belt … Ridiculous reason to vote cold.The best turntables ever made are belt driven (Roksan, Linn, Pink Triangle etc etc) all of the sonically blow the Technics out of the water.


horses courses...... but you can't avoid the fact that this is only for VIP members or did I miss tht point...

ianh82

i'm after one, would this work well with my denon av amp? i think the … i'm after one, would this work well with my denon av amp? i think the built in phone stage should make it would via normal phono inputs?not sure how this would compare to a rega planar 2 which i had years ago - i would need a separate phono stage with this one though



No separate phono stage needed as its already built into the turntable so yes it will work fine with your amp. Not sure how it would compare against your rega though as that is a great budget turntable so probably not quite as good, although I could be wrong!

i have read a review vs the rega p1 and its not as good, but the RP1 is expensive. i may give it a punt. as long as it sounds good i don't really mind. my hearing isn't as acute as it was and i can't usually tell the difference

djlondon22

horses courses...... but you can't avoid the fact that this is only for … horses courses...... but you can't avoid the fact that this is only for VIP members or did I miss tht point...



Sign up free here richersounds.com/vip

pibpob

Direct drive? Belt drive? All it has to do is turn a piece of plastic … Direct drive? Belt drive? All it has to do is turn a piece of plastic at a constant speed. So many people fooling themselves that they can hear a difference, but 'twas ever thus...


(minor correction) all it has to do turn is turn a slightly warped and somewhat scratched piece of plastic at a constant speed with the tip of the stylus perfectly tracking the bottom of the groove in said plastic with no mechanical or electrical interference affecting the movement of the stylus tip other than the engineered original groove in the plastic.

I'm no fan of hifi "woo" but it doesn't take much to tell the difference between a Sondek with a decent arm and cartridge and a cheap turntable.

Heat added because this is a good price for this product.

I considered this turntable and ended up buying a Flexson VinylPlay as that's basically a Rega RP1, with the upgraded 24V motor and decent USB/phono stage built in (which I needed).

SevenOaks now selling that for £199 which is an absolute steal:
sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-1…wcB

I wonder what my trusty old SP25 in the loft is worth?

Besford

I wonder what my trusty old SP25 in the loft is worth?


Garrard? Nothing.
Technics? Quite a few quid.

djlondon22

horses courses...... but you can't avoid the fact that this is only for … horses courses...... but you can't avoid the fact that this is only for VIP members or did I miss tht point...



Which (as someone else pointed out) consists of merely signing up. Hardly exclusive is it.
Edited by: "mrew42" 14th Apr 2016

All that money for a turntable and then stick a piece of pressed plastic on it. I cheered the passing of the "LP" with all it's shortcomings and then some bright advertising spark convinced the gullible that it is superior. Yeah! Right!?

Just as a matter of interest, this Denon and the Pioneer PL-30K are made by the same OEM factory.

mrew42

Ridiculous reason to vote cold.The best turntables ever made are belt … Ridiculous reason to vote cold.The best turntables ever made are belt driven (Roksan, Linn, Pink Triangle etc etc) all of the sonically blow the Technics out of the water.


He seems to be a little confused about the merits of direct drive. Direct drive usually creates more rumble than belt drive. A decent belt drive like this will not have any wow and have very little rumble compared to a dd, cheaper decks will have plenty of wow but not on a quality deck like this. DJ's love direct drive as its more suited to scratching and mixing.

BigAde

Garrard? Nothing.Technics? Quite a few quid.


How about entry level dual?

Jefft

All that money for a turntable and then stick a piece of pressed plastic … All that money for a turntable and then stick a piece of pressed plastic on it. I cheered the passing of the "LP" with all it's shortcomings and then some bright advertising spark convinced the gullible that it is superior. Yeah! Right!?



Wow. You have obviously never heard a decent turntable put through its paces. CD simply cannot compete.

aibon

He seems to be a little confused about the merits of direct drive. Direct … He seems to be a little confused about the merits of direct drive. Direct drive usually creates more rumble than belt drive. A decent belt drive like this will not have any wow and have very little rumble compared to a dd, cheaper decks will have plenty of wow but not on a quality deck like this. DJ's love direct drive as its more suited to scratching and mixing.



To be fair a good hifi direct drive unit (as opposed to a DJ deck like the Technics 1200, which is a fantastic piece of engineering but not the last word in sonic quality) will produce very little rumble. Both technologies are capable of being very impressive when well implemented.

I've heard the Pioneer equivalent of this player (they're also available under the Lenco name, and I think Audio Technica's budget decks are practically identical under the surface as well), and can't really fault it for the money. Good reliable motors on them as well.

aibon

Wow. You have obviously never heard a decent turntable put through its … Wow. You have obviously never heard a decent turntable put through its paces. CD simply cannot compete.


Yeah - it simply cannot compete in adding all the clicks and pops.

This argument is as old as the hills. When CDs came along the naysayers said that analogue sound was better, without realising that the contents of most vinyl LPs had gone through many digital stages already. There were even people extolling the virtues of the BBC's analogue FM transmissions, which have been distributed digitally for decades (well before CDs were invented). It's pure snake oil, and the gullible always have and always will be fooled by it.
Edited by: "pibpob" 14th Apr 2016

afroylnt

How about entry level dual?



They're not bad entry level turntables, but they don't really have much of a following to attract high prices second hand.
The Technics SP10 is desirable, less so the SP25.
Other very desirable turntables from the past include Garrard 301 & 401, Thorens TD124/224 and EMT all of which properly set up still sound fantastic today.

jasejames

To be fair a good hifi direct drive unit (as opposed to a DJ deck like … To be fair a good hifi direct drive unit (as opposed to a DJ deck like the Technics 1200, which is a fantastic piece of engineering but not the last word in sonic quality) will produce very little rumble. Both technologies are capable of being very impressive when well implemented.I've heard the Pioneer equivalent of this player (they're also available under the Lenco name, and I think Audio Technica's budget decks are practically identical under the surface as well), and can't really fault it for the money. Good reliable motors on them as well.


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pibpob

Yeah - it simply cannot compete in adding all the clicks and pops.This … Yeah - it simply cannot compete in adding all the clicks and pops.This argument is as old as the hills. When CDs came along the naysayers said that analogue sound was better, without realising that the contents of most vinyl LPs had gone through many digital stages already. There were even people extolling the virtues of the BBC's analogue FM transmissions, which have been distributed digitally for decades (well before CDs were invented). It's pure snake oil, and the gullible always have and always will be fooled by it.



Partly true to some extent, but a good recording and pressing can still sound awesome on vinyl. That's one reason why well pressed/recorded older vinyl from the 60s/70s in good condition can be very much sought after today. Also, a good turntable with good vinyl won't produce any clicks and pops. It's true that not all vinyl is well recorded and a large amount of what was coming out on vinyl by the mid 80s was low resolution digitally recorded and digitally processed rubbish. So while it's not true that all vinyl sounds better than all CD, with the right pressing and the right reproduction equipment, it can.

You are quite correct about the radio transmissions being digitally distributed to the FM transmitters, a process which started in the early 1970s.

To my mind, it's not that digital is bad and analogue is good: some digital can sound very good indeed. It's more that the early attempts in encoding music digitally used low resolution sampling and processing, this has improved substantially over the decades to the point where good digital can be the equal of good analogue. I'd prefer to listen to good digital over poor analogue and vice versa.
Edited by: "BigAde" 14th Apr 2016

czechoslovakia



Yes, I have one of their turntables (well, from their successor company anyway). Very good for the money.

BigAde

Partly true to some extent, but a good recording and pressing can still … Partly true to some extent, but a good recording and pressing can still sound awesome on vinyl. That's one reason why well pressed/recorded older vinyl from the 60s/70s in good condition can be very much sought after today. Also, a good turntable with good vinyl won't produce any clicks and pops. It's true that not all vinyl is well recorded and a large amount of what was coming out on vinyl by the mid 80s was low resolution digitally recorded and digitally processed rubbish. So while it's not true that all vinyl sounds better than all CD, with the right pressing and the right reproduction equipment, it can.


I agree that vinyl records can sound good, but they are extremely vulnerable to scratches and dust, both of which will produce unwanted noise regardless of what you play them on. And of course they wear out.

What is the process by which you can make one sound better than a CD though?

BigAde

Garrard? Nothing.Technics? Quite a few quid.



Joking aren't you.

Garrards can fetch decent money depending on condition.

Good deal but for this sort of money I'd buy a nice condition Rega Planar 3, classic turntable that still sounds great today. New belt regardless for £12, Rega Carbon cartridge to get you going, sweet.

Love how BBC news was reporting that around half of vinyl lps purchased atm aren't even played...
Think i'll stick to SACD.

Tallyho

Joking aren't you.Garrards can fetch decent money depending on condition.


The Garrard SP25 is not sought after. The only ones that are are the 301 and 401.
Even then because they're idler wheel driven they can suffer from rumble. With a solid plinth and correctly setup they can sound great.
Edited by: "BigAde" 14th Apr 2016

aibon

Wow. You have obviously never heard a decent turntable put through its … Wow. You have obviously never heard a decent turntable put through its paces. CD simply cannot compete.


Well yes actually I have. It is still limited by the mass produced disc. CD, my word you are living in the past aren't you? I use high bitrate digital downloads and these are far superior.

djlondon22

not direct drive so cold. plus it's £299 if you are not a VIP. Spend the … not direct drive so cold. plus it's £299 if you are not a VIP. Spend the same amount and buy a technics 1210 on eBay (yes it will be USED but if looked after you can't go wrong)




Love it when ill-informed people make stupid comments. Keeps me coming back!!

pibpob

I agree that vinyl records can sound good, but they are extremely … I agree that vinyl records can sound good, but they are extremely vulnerable to scratches and dust, both of which will produce unwanted noise regardless of what you play them on. And of course they wear out.What is the process by which you can make one sound better than a CD though?



Yes, they are vulnerable to scratches and dust. With a little sensible care though (never touch the playing surface, use a dust remover before use, use plastic lined record sleeves) this isn't really a significant problem. Wearing out? It's a mechanical process dragging a piece of diamond through a plastic groove, so yes SLIGHT wear happens with every play. Not really a significant risk unless you have a badly setup turntable, worn stylus or you're going to play each disc hundreds of times.

Good sound from vinyl, like anything else, starts at the source. You need a well-pressed, well-produced LP. Same with CD. Rubbish in - rubbish out. Then good quality turntable/tone-arm/cartridge, amplification and speakers are also important, but that's also true with CD. It needn't cost silly money to achieve this.

BigAde

I agree that vinyl records can sound good, but they are extremely … I agree that vinyl records can sound good, but they are extremely vulnerable to scratches and dust, both of which will produce unwanted noise regardless of what you play them on. And of course they wear out.What is the process by which you can make one sound better than a CD though?


Yes, they are vulnerable to scratches and dust. With a little sensible … Yes, they are vulnerable to scratches and dust. With a little sensible care though (never touch the playing surface, use a dust remover before use, use plastic lined record sleeves) this isn't really a significant problem. Wearing out? It's a mechanical process dragging a piece of diamond through a plastic groove, so yes SLIGHT wear happens with every play. Not really a significant risk unless you have a badly setup turntable, worn stylus or you're going to play each disc hundreds of times.


But none of that applies to CDs or music stored in any other digital medium.

Good sound from vinyl, like anything else, starts at the source. You … Good sound from vinyl, like anything else, starts at the source. You need a well-pressed, well-produced LP. Same with CD. Rubbish in - rubbish out.


But the LP isn't the source - the source is where the material originated in the first place. CD, being digital, will produce a clone of the original material unless there is significant damage. LPs, being analogue, will always suffer degradation however much you spend on them and their player.

Then good quality turntable/tone-arm/cartridge, amplification and … Then good quality turntable/tone-arm/cartridge, amplification and speakers are also important, but that's also true with CD. It needn't cost silly money to achieve this.


Why does no-one ever mention room acoustics? Perhaps because not many people have listened to the same loudspeakers in a living room and an acoustically-treated studio environment. The difference is night and day and drowns out any tinkering you might do with other things. But then sticking sound absorbers all over your room isn't as sexy as spending money on shiny amplifiers etc.

Edited by: "pibpob" 14th Apr 2016
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