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E-Care + 8kg 1600 Spin Hot Fill Washing Machine 10% off - £454.99 delivered @ Ebac
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E-Care + 8kg 1600 Spin Hot Fill Washing Machine 10% off - £454.99 delivered @ Ebac

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Posted 29th Sep
Ebac is a UK company that builds washing machines. There's a choice of 7, 8, or 9 Kg, 1400 or 1600 spin, hot-fill or cold-fill. All have 10% off until tomorrow. The website has some very useful info about why you might (or might not) want an intelligent hot-fill machine
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Hot fill? Was this made in the eighties?
It's the only british made washing machine. So heat from me
British assembled no doubt
7 year parts and labour warranty.
NCIS29/09/2019 16:44

7 year parts and labour warranty.


Wow that's good! This place (Ebac factory) is round the corner from my works so might pop in and look at the factory shop
spatter29/09/2019 16:43

British assembled no doubt



Its manufactured wholly in co durham .. british owner and workforce.
NCIS29/09/2019 16:44

7 year parts and labour warranty.


That needs to be in the title.
9Kg, 1600 spin, cold fill for £450 with 7 years warranty stacks up quite nicely with the LG equivalents.

ebac.com/was…ne/

Shame and instruction manual doesn't include wash times to make a fair comparison
NCIS29/09/2019 16:44

7 year parts and labour warranty.


Wonder how big their repair network is though, when my Bosch went faulty it was repaired within a few days.
youchoose29/09/2019 17:09

Its manufactured wholly in co durham .. british owner and workforce.


Great. I meant I'll bet none of the parts are made here. But I might be wrong...
spatter29/09/2019 18:05

Great. I meant I'll bet none of the parts are made here. But I might be …Great. I meant I'll bet none of the parts are made here. But I might be wrong...


Servis used to be made here in the Midlands until they went bust, doesn't really mean much to reliability though as they where assembled from components made in China.
paulj4829/09/2019 17:43

Wonder how big their repair network is though, when my Bosch went faulty …Wonder how big their repair network is though, when my Bosch went faulty it was repaired within a few days.


They don’t employ a single engineer. Plus the warranty is an insurance policy serviced by who knows and let’s hope parts are available when it breaks.
spatter29/09/2019 18:05

Great. I meant I'll bet none of the parts are made here. But I might be …Great. I meant I'll bet none of the parts are made here. But I might be wrong...


You’re not.
spatter29/09/2019 18:05

Great. I meant I'll bet none of the parts are made here. But I might be …Great. I meant I'll bet none of the parts are made here. But I might be wrong...



Have a little read here ebac.com/about/
We need more entrepreneurs in this country like this bloke....unlike Dyson who outsources every think around the world.
checkley7329/09/2019 16:34

Hot fill? Was this made in the eighties?


What's your point? A hot fill washing machine will take less time to wash your clothes. It obviously isn't JUST hot fill.
It's a shame these won't shift the units required to make it successful. People would rather spend £200 on a Hotpoint with rusted bearings by 13 months.
Superficial29/09/2019 18:50

What's your point? A hot fill washing machine will take less time to wash …What's your point? A hot fill washing machine will take less time to wash your clothes. It obviously isn't JUST hot fill.


Pitty most detergent only works correctly when mixed in cold water and slowly heated.
youchoose29/09/2019 18:44

Have a little read here https://www.ebac.com/about/We need more …Have a little read here https://www.ebac.com/about/We need more entrepreneurs in this country like this bloke....unlike Dyson who outsources every think around the world.


I'm pretty sure the founder passed away and his dying wish was to re ignite British manufacturing.
paulj4829/09/2019 18:54

Pitty most detergent only works correctly when mixed in cold water and …Pitty most detergent only works correctly when mixed in cold water and slowly heated.

Even if true how do you know at what point the hot water is added - it could be added to SPEED UP the heating process.
Edited by: "Superficial" 29th Sep
paulj4829/09/2019 19:06

The expert here, …The expert here, https://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buying-advice/washing-machine/2814-buying-help-why-hot-fill-is-a-waste-of-time?https://shop.ukwhitegoods.co.uk&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrMHsBRCIARIsAFgSeI1mTpCrvIis36shl_J33vGjxF7pPB1OMuWR8NF6_lGRc6VQ13U2K5IaArK6EALw_wcB

Yeah there was more to my post and with all due respect who cares. Ready hot water means that it can be mixed straight away with the cold in the tub shortening the wash time over waiting for an electric filament to heat the water on the go.
Superficial29/09/2019 19:11

Yeah there was more to my post and with all due respect who cares. Ready …Yeah there was more to my post and with all due respect who cares. Ready hot water means that it can be mixed straight away with the cold in the tub shortening the wash time over waiting for an electric filament to heat the water on the go.


Hot fill machines don't mix the hot with the cold though as they wouldn't know what temperature the hot was coming in. The cold is for the rinse only.
paulj4829/09/2019 19:26

Hot fill machines don't mix the hot with the cold though as they wouldn't …Hot fill machines don't mix the hot with the cold though as they wouldn't know what temperature the hot was coming in. The cold is for the rinse only.


That's a generalisation - could be that the cold comes in first and hot second RAISES the temerpature before cut off - this is the 21st century. It's called a thermostat. Why people are arguing the toss over an ADDITIONAL feature this washing machine has over other models? If in doubt just use cold fill only.
youchoose29/09/2019 18:44

Have a little read here https://www.ebac.com/about/We need more …Have a little read here https://www.ebac.com/about/We need more entrepreneurs in this country like this bloke....unlike Dyson who outsources every think around the world.


Agreed. I HATE Dyson.
checkley7329/09/2019 16:34

Hot fill? Was this made in the eighties?


No brainer to me

To buy one unit of mains gas (measured in kWh) you will pay about 4p / kWh. Conversely, one unit of electricity from the mains (also measure in kWh) will cost you about 15p/kWh. Boiler is 90% efficient and quickly gets water to temp, not so in the eighties. Element is 100% efficient but nearly 4 times price per kWh

thegreenage.co.uk/cheaper-heat-home-gas-electricity/

My dishwasher is hot fill and my washing machine is hot & cold.
Edited by: "gazdoubleu" 29th Sep
EBac was a company that made dehumdifiers last time I remember.
Superficial29/09/2019 18:50

What's your point? A hot fill washing machine will take less time to wash …What's your point? A hot fill washing machine will take less time to wash your clothes. It obviously isn't JUST hot fill.


It won’t make any difference unless your tank / combi is very close to your washing machine. Washers use such little water now all you’ll do is empty the cold water in your pipes into the machine whilst heating more to leave to go cold in the pipe. Why do you think every other manufacturer doesn’t do it any more ?
gazdoubleu29/09/2019 19:56

No brainer to meTo buy one unit of mains gas (measured in kWh) you will …No brainer to meTo buy one unit of mains gas (measured in kWh) you will pay about 4p / kWh. Conversely, one unit of electricity from the mains (also measure in kWh) will cost you about 15p/kWh. Boiler is 90% efficient and quickly gets water to temp, not so in the eighties. Element is 100% efficient but nearly 4 times price per kWhthegreenage.co.uk/cheaper-heat-home-gas-electricity/My dishwasher is hot fill and my washing machine is hot & cold.


If only this was true. Sadly not.
If you have solar hot water then hot fill makes a lot of sense. If you don't then not so much.
checkley7329/09/2019 16:34

Hot fill? Was this made in the eighties?


Wouldn’t surprise me... they appear to be capitalising on the myth that Brits all want to buy overpriced, badly made products wot ave got a union jacksie on them...

Farage has probably got shares in them, and it’s possible their philosophy is ‘they don’t make washers like they did in 1974 when we gave capacities in imperial...”
youchoose29/09/2019 17:09

Its manufactured wholly in co durham .. british owner and workforce.


Love to know how many EU nationals they employ...
SampleX29/09/2019 22:10

Love to know how many EU nationals they employ...



Why?
checkley7329/09/2019 20:29

It won’t make any difference unless your tank / combi is very close to y …It won’t make any difference unless your tank / combi is very close to your washing machine. Washers use such little water now all you’ll do is empty the cold water in your pipes into the machine whilst heating more to leave to go cold in the pipe. Why do you think every other manufacturer doesn’t do it any more ?


yes yes I read that logic from ukwhitegoods et al but it is linear at best and outdated.

Think it through:

1) To accept that argument you have ignore the fact that a MASSIVE number of homes have the boiler in the kitchen (detroying that BS logic completely) and making the 15mm pipe run from a combi is nothing. This is NOT the 1980's - water frmo a combi is boiled almost immediately.

2) Even for the homes with an inefficent hot water tank in the loft you have to ignore any chance that the water in the pipe is not as cold as the cold water mains pipe which is not possible. Even static water in hot water pipes will have warmer water in them then water from mains cold main except when left over night and using THAT water will heat up faster than water from the cold mains...so why wouldnt you just use it since you need cold anyway until hot water runs through?

Look just stop being unnecessarily negative - you've criticiced other aspects too and you don't have experience so stop behaving like you do - you're not an engineer nor washing machine repairman. I would offer that the engineers that built it had a purpose but even if not and it's just a gimmick who cares? it's an ADDITIONAL feature - hardly a reason to rubbish the machine.
SampleX29/09/2019 22:05

Wouldn’t surprise me... they appear to be capitalising on the myth that B …Wouldn’t surprise me... they appear to be capitalising on the myth that Brits all want to buy overpriced, badly made products wot ave got a union jacksie on them...Farage has probably got shares in them, and it’s possible their philosophy is ‘they don’t make washers like they did in 1974 when we gave capacities in imperial...”


What a ridiculous post. The idea that British manufactured goods are badly made by default speaks volumes about your own motivations. Stop trolling.
checkley7329/09/2019 20:31

If only this was true. Sadly not.


Which bit isn't true then? You actually have some useful counter evidence? My boiler is in my kitchen, same as the appliances. I know how quickly it heats up the water to the kitchen sink which is plumbed within a metre of the appliances and the efficiency of the gloworm boiler.

My washing machine is made by a premium brand Fischer & Paykel and the dishwasher is made by Bosch. These brands wouldn't endorse hot fill if it wasn't viable. Miele also make appliances with hot & cold fill.
Edited by: "gazdoubleu" 29th Sep
gazdoubleu29/09/2019 22:35

Which bit isn't true then.You actually have some useful counter evidence?


The only thing he has is that outdated info that USED to be far more true than it is today. With the advent of super efficient hot water boilers.

Sure when every house was using a constantly heated hot water tank (whether you needed hot water or not) and a super long pipe to the kitchen then yeah a hot fill is kinda inefficient - in the 21st centuruy it's acually very logical.

Then again, even If you use a hot water tank with stagnant tepid water in it...after the first wash cycle the water inteh pipe would have heated up enough to make the second rinse cycle take less time.
youchoose29/09/2019 17:09

Its manufactured wholly in co durham .. british owner and workforce.


Actually he was right it is assembled in Britain with some components being sourced from china and other countries. You'll see on their Facebook page they a very sketchy about how much of the machine is made using actual British components. From what has been said the only british made parts are the outer shell and the drum.
Edited by: "jordanc93" 29th Sep
jordanc9329/09/2019 23:45

Actually he was right it is assembled in Britain with some components …Actually he was right it is assembled in Britain with some components being sourced from china and other countries. You'll see on their Facebook page they a very sketchy about how much of the machine is made using actual British components. From what has been said the only british made parts are the outer shell and the drum.


Whatever the facts they'll be no different to other brands in the main.
Superficial29/09/2019 23:51

Whatever the facts they'll be no different to other brands in the main.


Depends on how you look at it what happens if they decide to quit the washing machine business just like they did with their freezer range and part supplies dry up making that warranty useless. Probably best to stick with one of the more established brands. I live near the factory where these are made but will never buy one.
jordanc9329/09/2019 23:54

Depends on how you look at it what happens if they decide to quit the …Depends on how you look at it what happens if they decide to quit the washing machine business just like they did with their freezer range and part supplies dry up making that warranty useless. Probably best to stick with one of the more established brands. I live near the factory where these are made but will never buy one.



What would happen is the same thing that would happen to ANY other product that get's discontinued. Ebac are hardly unique in this regard.

Their 7 year warranty far exceeds any other comparable brand - gve them some credit. You have no idea if they'll stop selling the product and the same could be said of any business selling ANY product of why a great many were also discontinued.

A lot of negative woulda/coulda/shoulda going on in this forum...best to wait and see or avoid instead of condemning and complaining on the off-chance.
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