Echo Plus – With built-in smart home hub (Silver) – Includes Philips Hue Light Bulb - £139 @ Amazon (pre order 31st Oct)
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Echo Plus – With built-in smart home hub (Silver) – Includes Philips Hue Light Bulb - £139 @ Amazon (pre order 31st Oct)

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Found 27th Sep
Cheaper than the original (and a free hue white bulb), now comes with smart home hub built in. This has Zigbee support to control Hue and other smart home devices directly without requiring a Hue hub and other hubs.

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i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different music on all of them in any room. ok it would occasionally say that the song I want to listen to isn't available without purchasing amazon music too... about two to three weeks ago they changed everything. They introduced groups so you can play the same song on multiple dots but now you need to purchase an amazon music subscription to play on more than one dot at the same time. So now our five dots are almost useless as we can only use one of them at a time to play music.

Apparently this was in the T&Cs from the start, but they never enforced it.... until now. So now I feel like it's a bit of a waste, they get you in then jack up the prices.

The google home is much better. I own one google home and five dots and I have to say that the google one is way better. Alexa fans will say ah but amazon has a bazillion skills and google has only a few... true... but 99% of the alexa skills i don't need / use anyway. But the big thing for me is, my kids ask it random questions. Most of the time, Alexa says "Hmmmm... I'm sorry I don't know that" but doesn't bother to look it up. If google home doesn't know.... it googles it and gives you the top answer which is much more useful than "hmm.....Im connected to Bing... but I don't use it for anything"...

powerbrick1 h, 8 m ago

TLDR; I disagree.



Well at least you backed up your view with a fully reasoned argument.

I don't understand why everyone is so obsessed with controlling lights via voice? Light switches work REALLY well, almost never fail and don't require you to by stupid expensive lightbulbs.

powerbrick14 m ago

In the Twitter age he could of condensed that waffle.



You say it was TLDR, then disagree with it (how, if you didn’t read it?) and give no reasons why you disagree.

His ‘waffle’ was informative to me. Your comments are just a little unhelpful.
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So this is basically an Echo with a Hue bridge built in?

Just watched the video, pillow forts need Hue light strips now? FML.

Better off waiting for Black Friday

Didn't even realise that my ordinary echo didn't do this 🙄

Hope the sound quality's going to be better than the original!

got a echo dot i hardly use it.. i have hue i hate the way the home hub needs to be plugged in via rj45. i have been thinking about getting smart plugs i can control from phone or with automation...

if this is the centerpiece of my smart home i think it's a good idea tho i doubt i would actually use the voice control much

i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different music on all of them in any room. ok it would occasionally say that the song I want to listen to isn't available without purchasing amazon music too... about two to three weeks ago they changed everything. They introduced groups so you can play the same song on multiple dots but now you need to purchase an amazon music subscription to play on more than one dot at the same time. So now our five dots are almost useless as we can only use one of them at a time to play music.

Apparently this was in the T&Cs from the start, but they never enforced it.... until now. So now I feel like it's a bit of a waste, they get you in then jack up the prices.

The google home is much better. I own one google home and five dots and I have to say that the google one is way better. Alexa fans will say ah but amazon has a bazillion skills and google has only a few... true... but 99% of the alexa skills i don't need / use anyway. But the big thing for me is, my kids ask it random questions. Most of the time, Alexa says "Hmmmm... I'm sorry I don't know that" but doesn't bother to look it up. If google home doesn't know.... it googles it and gives you the top answer which is much more useful than "hmm.....Im connected to Bing... but I don't use it for anything"...

daskapital20 m ago

i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different …i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different music on all of them in any room. ok it would occasionally say that the song I want to listen to isn't available without purchasing amazon music too... about two to three weeks ago they changed everything. They introduced groups so you can play the same song on multiple dots but now you need to purchase an amazon music subscription to play on more than one dot at the same time. So now our five dots are almost useless as we can only use one of them at a time to play music. Apparently this was in the T&Cs from the start, but they never enforced it.... until now. So now I feel like it's a bit of a waste, they get you in then jack up the prices.The google home is much better. I own one google home and five dots and I have to say that the google one is way better. Alexa fans will say ah but amazon has a bazillion skills and google has only a few... true... but 99% of the alexa skills i don't need / use anyway. But the big thing for me is, my kids ask it random questions. Most of the time, Alexa says "Hmmmm... I'm sorry I don't know that" but doesn't bother to look it up. If google home doesn't know.... it googles it and gives you the top answer which is much more useful than "hmm.....Im connected to Bing... but I don't use it for anything"...


TLDR; I disagree.

powerbrick44 m ago

TLDR; I disagree.



Now there's a surprise.

powerbrick1 h, 8 m ago

TLDR; I disagree.



Well at least you backed up your view with a fully reasoned argument.

Interesting move from Amazon, just bought a load of Hue stuff too. The limitation of Hue is of course not all light fixtures are suitable for bulbs, for some you need relays, smart sockets etc. Combining a couple of those hubs into echo itself could be very useful, and Amazon is big enough to knock their heads together to make sure they work properly. Could be pretty good for most, though I suspect it will be nowhere near the range of devices and automation achievable with the smartthings hub itself (and I see no mention of zwave, only zigbee LL and HA by the looks of it).

Just a shame I am into Google home, which is just far ahead with its knowledge graph. My young son uses it more than I do...
Edited by: "Kyrt" 28th Sep

robo9897 m ago

Well at least you backed up your view with a fully reasoned argument.


In the Twitter age he could of condensed that waffle.

My hue is sitting unused, the tech just isn't there yet and the limited selection of bulb types is a major restriction, so having bought the starter kit I'm not keen on spending another 60 on light switches when I can only use it in 3 lights not the whole house. This is a step in the right direction, all these bridges etc is getting silly. But it's not enough for me to upgrade.

Agree the enforcing of being able to play prime music on only one item is pants. I think the improvements in Prime have stalled and we're going backwards a bit. And I've noticed I'm paying extra for a lot of prime items now compared to none prime.

powerbrick14 m ago

In the Twitter age he could of condensed that waffle.



You say it was TLDR, then disagree with it (how, if you didn’t read it?) and give no reasons why you disagree.

His ‘waffle’ was informative to me. Your comments are just a little unhelpful.

daskapital3 h, 52 m ago

i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different …i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different music on all of them in any room. ok it would occasionally say that the song I want to listen to isn't available without purchasing amazon music too... about two to three weeks ago they changed everything. They introduced groups so you can play the same song on multiple dots but now you need to purchase an amazon music subscription to play on more than one dot at the same time. So now our five dots are almost useless as we can only use one of them at a time to play music. Apparently this was in the T&Cs from the start, but they never enforced it.... until now. So now I feel like it's a bit of a waste, they get you in then jack up the prices.The google home is much better. I own one google home and five dots and I have to say that the google one is way better. Alexa fans will say ah but amazon has a bazillion skills and google has only a few... true... but 99% of the alexa skills i don't need / use anyway. But the big thing for me is, my kids ask it random questions. Most of the time, Alexa says "Hmmmm... I'm sorry I don't know that" but doesn't bother to look it up. If google home doesn't know.... it googles it and gives you the top answer which is much more useful than "hmm.....Im connected to Bing... but I don't use it for anything"...



Sold my echo, it became a rather expensive kitchen timer. Agree very much.

Kyrt6 h, 1 m ago

Interesting move from Amazon, just bought a load of Hue stuff too. The …Interesting move from Amazon, just bought a load of Hue stuff too. The limitation of Hue is of course not all light fixtures are suitable for bulbs, for some you need relays, smart sockets etc. Combining a couple of those hubs into echo itself could be very useful, and Amazon is big enough to knock their heads together to make sure they work properly. Could be pretty good for most, though I suspect it will be nowhere near the range of devices and automation achievable with the smartthings hub itself (and I see no mention of zwave, only zigbee LL and HA by the looks of it).Just a shame I am into Google home, which is just far ahead with its knowledge graph. My young son uses it more than I do...


I was presuming it'd work with zwave... May need to hold fire

daskapital8 h, 23 m ago

i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different …i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different music on all of them in any room. ok it would occasionally say that the song I want to listen to isn't available without purchasing amazon music too... about two to three weeks ago they changed everything. They introduced groups so you can play the same song on multiple dots but now you need to purchase an amazon music subscription to play on more than one dot at the same time. So now our five dots are almost useless as we can only use one of them at a time to play music. Apparently this was in the T&Cs from the start, but they never enforced it.... until now. So now I feel like it's a bit of a waste, they get you in then jack up the prices.The google home is much better. I own one google home and five dots and I have to say that the google one is way better. Alexa fans will say ah but amazon has a bazillion skills and google has only a few... true... but 99% of the alexa skills i don't need / use anyway. But the big thing for me is, my kids ask it random questions. Most of the time, Alexa says "Hmmmm... I'm sorry I don't know that" but doesn't bother to look it up. If google home doesn't know.... it googles it and gives you the top answer which is much more useful than "hmm.....Im connected to Bing... but I don't use it for anything"...


While your post is pretty accurate. When will we all as consumers learn that these companies aren’t here to help us.

We are the source of their revenue. They will always try and find ways to make money from us. Yes Google offers more, though they probably are the bigger threat. I’d rather pay money for services than pay with information.

Depending on your home setup, Echo has its uses or it doesn’t. For me it helps with Hue and Music for the kids.

If the hub in this has more memory than the Hue Hub 2 it will be worth buying. Especially if you are deep into the Hue eco system. Otherwise you’d be better with an Echo normal and pick up a used Hue Hub 2.
Edited by: "Oneday77" 28th Sep

I'll stick with my echo and 3 dots, Energenie hub. Sound on echo is loud enough for us.

Just hope they don't tamper with echo v1 firmware making it unusable and forcing to upgrade, could happen

I read the “TLDR; I disagree” as “in short, daskapital disagrees that this is a hot deal”. Not, “I, powerbrick, disagree with daskapital’s post”.

Rastafari42 m ago

I read the “TLDR; I disagree” as “in short, daskapital disagrees that this …I read the “TLDR; I disagree” as “in short, daskapital disagrees that this is a hot deal”. Not, “I, powerbrick, disagree with daskapital’s post”.


You're spot on, it could well be interpreted this way. The irony is, that because his post was so short (unlike the poster he was criticising for being to long), its unclear what he actually means....

In theory this should work with the much cheaper Ikea Tradfri bulbs.

Seems ideal for people just getting into the whole Smart Home thing.

most people with an interest though will surelyalready have a Hue Bridge or similar.

mark900011 m ago

Seems ideal for people just getting into the whole Smart Home thing.most …Seems ideal for people just getting into the whole Smart Home thing.most people with an interest though will surelyalready have a Hue Bridge or similar.


I'm not sure it ideal for people getting started. It's more expensive than buying a normal Echo and a bridge and it means you are tied into Amazon, otherwise all your lighting won't work. It will give some people the impression that their bulbs can only work with Alexa. It's a bit crafty.

I don't understand why everyone is so obsessed with controlling lights via voice? Light switches work REALLY well, almost never fail and don't require you to by stupid expensive lightbulbs.

So if I get an echo plus with built in home hub then a regular echo dot downstairs can the dot control the hue bulb in a relay by communicating with the echo plus? Do I have this right?

Okay why buy this over the echo dot? If the only reason is the speaker then I'd rather use my soundbar or something
What does the 'Plus' add?

Have owned an echo since the very first pre-order deal was available at £100 for prime members.

It's great but a tad gimmicky really. It mainly functions as a voice activated light switch in our bedroom to turn on/off the HUE lights.

Other than that I do set wake up alarms on it which interestingly, don't always go off at the correct time (have known them to go off as late as 30 minutes very occasionally)

The only other function I use is to ask her what the current time is in various countries as I work with offices dotted all round the globe and am too lazy to try remembering which time zone any given country is in.

She also likes to interrupt me watching movies by picking up a bit of dialogue and then trying to reel off an entire Wikipedia page about the subject she thinks she's heard at which point I tell her to STFU...

I am gutted as I have just bought the original echo last week :-(
Is their much difference in the OG and the New Generation ?

We have an echo and 4 dots...we use them all the time....Reminders, alarms, radio, weather, Story books....shopping list...Works fantastic with our Hue set up and Hive heating...I’m not sure how I managed before lol...the family has to buy into it though or it will be a paper weight.

Now voice calling and “ intercom “ are been switch on....no more shouting round the house for the kids...

MrSweeney23 m ago

Have owned an echo since the very first pre-order deal was available at …Have owned an echo since the very first pre-order deal was available at £100 for prime members.It's great but a tad gimmicky really. It mainly functions as a voice activated light switch in our bedroom to turn on/off the HUE lights. Other than that I do set wake up alarms on it which interestingly, don't always go off at the correct time (have known them to go off as late as 30 minutes very occasionally)The only other function I use is to ask her what the current time is in various countries as I work with offices dotted all round the globe and am too lazy to try remembering which time zone any given country is in.She also likes to interrupt me watching movies by picking up a bit of dialogue and then trying to reel off an entire Wikipedia page about the subject she thinks she's heard at which point I tell her to STFU...


Sounds a bit like a suffering partners
Edited by: "robo989" 28th Sep

build in smart home means i dont need and additional hub to start using smart compatable things?

forgive my ignorance. with an echoplus (inc bulb) am i right in saying you just plug the bulb in and it will 'turn on lights' ? and secondly, if you buy further bulbs for other rooms these too will just work?

nipacurrant232 m ago

We have an echo and 4 dots...we use them all the time....Reminders, …We have an echo and 4 dots...we use them all the time....Reminders, alarms, radio, weather, Story books....shopping list...Works fantastic with our Hue set up and Hive heating...I’m not sure how I managed before lol...the family has to buy into it though or it will be a paper weight. Now voice calling and “ intercom “ are been switch on....no more shouting round the house for the kids...



Oh wow, an intercom.. That's a pretty cool feature, didn't know about that. My mrs and mother in-law constantly shout to each other around the house the top of their voice which drives me nuts especially when I'm on a conf call.

can anyone get the drop-in function working today? I thought it was enabled for the UK now

LuKeNuKuM34 m ago

forgive my ignorance. with an echoplus (inc bulb) am i right in saying you …forgive my ignorance. with an echoplus (inc bulb) am i right in saying you just plug the bulb in and it will 'turn on lights' ? and secondly, if you buy further bulbs for other rooms these too will just work?


correct

I use a TP-LINK smart bulb with my Echo - no hub required (and no new Echo needed either). Very simple setup too. Bubl cost £24.99.

Or if you have a raspberry pi you can emulate the hue bridge! Might save you money rather than buying one with a built in hub!

daskapital13 h, 58 m ago

i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different …i hate my echo dots now. i bought five of them, i could play different music on all of them in any room. ok it would occasionally say that the song I want to listen to isn't available without purchasing amazon music too... about two to three weeks ago they changed everything. They introduced groups so you can play the same song on multiple dots but now you need to purchase an amazon music subscription to play on more than one dot at the same time. So now our five dots are almost useless as we can only use one of them at a time to play music. Apparently this was in the T&Cs from the start, but they never enforced it.... until now. So now I feel like it's a bit of a waste, they get you in then jack up the prices.The google home is much better. I own one google home and five dots and I have to say that the google one is way better. Alexa fans will say ah but amazon has a bazillion skills and google has only a few... true... but 99% of the alexa skills i don't need / use anyway. But the big thing for me is, my kids ask it random questions. Most of the time, Alexa says "Hmmmm... I'm sorry I don't know that" but doesn't bother to look it up. If google home doesn't know.... it googles it and gives you the top answer which is much more useful than "hmm.....Im connected to Bing... but I don't use it for anything"...



Is this correct, I have two devices both play music independently or as a group and I just have basic prime with the 2 million songs? all still works after the upgrade.

rwilts10 m ago

Is this correct, I have two devices both play music independently or as a …Is this correct, I have two devices both play music independently or as a group and I just have basic prime with the 2 million songs? all still works after the upgrade.


Then you are unbelievably lucky for some reason. All of my echo devices now say "Amazon music is streaming on another device... would you like to stream from here instead ?" Im also using basic prime. Either you are listening from two different sources (e.g. spotify and amazon) or you are just super unbelievably lucky. Care to get a lotto ticket for me ? seriously I don't know why it works for you and not anyone else.
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