ELAC Debut A4 Black Brushed Vinyl Dolby Atmos Speakers (Pair) £199 w/code @ AudioVisual Online
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ELAC Debut A4 Black Brushed Vinyl Dolby Atmos Speakers (Pair) £199 w/code @ AudioVisual Online

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These are excellent for the money and work really well imo
Would definitely recommend if you don’t have the option to fit atmos in your celling
Sit nicely on top of your front and back speakers
And are very well made
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I paid £175 from peter tyson for "graded" but they look brand new and with 2yr warranty. They are a little heavy but atmos does work well when i watched Lucy 4k

petertyson.co.uk/ind…del
Edited by: "AJ92" 30th Mar
Quick question for the specialists here. Is this kind or ceiling mounts better for Atmos. Thanks in advance.
Abarry297 m ago

Quick question for the specialists here. Is this kind or ceiling mounts …Quick question for the specialists here. Is this kind or ceiling mounts better for Atmos. Thanks in advance.


The consensus is that ceiling speakers are superior
For the knowledgeable than me, could these be used instead of a soundbar for a TV
These are excellent for the money and work really well imo
Would definitely recommend if you don’t have the option to fit atmos in your celling
Sit nicely on top of your front and back speakers
And are very well made
33542959-e8dbT.jpg
RoadEagle6 m ago

For the knowledgeable than me, could these be used instead of a soundbar …For the knowledgeable than me, could these be used instead of a soundbar for a TV


Not really, unless you have a separate amplifier to drive them. Also, because they’re designed to bounce the sound off the ceiling, they’re different to normal speakers. You’d be better off either with a sound bar or other home cinema/hifi speakers if you want to go the amp route
Pokerkingbouch4 m ago

These are excellent for the money and work really well imoWould definitely …These are excellent for the money and work really well imoWould definitely recommend if you don’t have the option to fit atmos in your celling Sit nicely on top of your front and back speakers And are very well made [Image]


Nice setup!! 👏
Daddypig403 m ago

Not really, unless you have a separate amplifier to drive them. Also, …Not really, unless you have a separate amplifier to drive them. Also, because they’re designed to bounce the sound off the ceiling, they’re different to normal speakers. You’d be better off either with a sound bar or other home cinema/hifi speakers if you want to go the amp route


Thanks appreciate the info, I'll carry on looking for a sound bar
Pokerkingbouch10 m ago

These are excellent for the money and work really well imoWould definitely …These are excellent for the money and work really well imoWould definitely recommend if you don’t have the option to fit atmos in your celling Sit nicely on top of your front and back speakers And are very well made [Image]


What sub you got?
Im using the acoustic energy 3 series bud
the subs are the 308 model
Daddypig4018 m ago

The consensus is that ceiling speakers are superior


While this is True, a defuse sound can be preferable.
You want to hear the sound, not the speakers
Oh yeah, gotta have your diffusion, not to be confused with defuse-ion.

Speaker Amps no worky without De fuse-y.
Edited by: "vaiopup" 30th Mar
My gripe with Atmos is this, when it was first released the Atmos soundtrack was included on standard Bluray releases (obviously film dependant), since UHD disks have been released studios are now holding back the Atmos sound tracks for the UHD disk version's only.
AJ9213 h, 46 m ago

I paid £175 from peter tyson for "graded" but they look brand new and with …I paid £175 from peter tyson for "graded" but they look brand new and with 2yr warranty. They are a little heavy but atmos does work well when i watched Lucy 4k https://petertyson.co.uk/index.php/elac-debut-a4-graded-model


Thanks ordered these to replace my Onkyo ones which are not that great tbh. Thanks to OP too
A word to the wise!
Auditioned these from RS. Went straight back after confirming that up-firing Atmos speakers don't work. You will not get anyone who knows about proper audio using this type of speaker, pure snake oil.
Best solution if you can't do in-ceiling is properly positioned height speakers, high on the wall near the ceiling.
I experimented with some Wharfedale 9.0's (40 quid a pair from Richer Sounds) and the result was stunning (storm scene from Everest was awesome).
The result was that good I'm upgrading my amp to a 9 channel one and putting 4 JBL Control Ones's up high.
If you want proper height effects, do it properly don't get sucked in by "bouncy house" BS.
Edited by: "tebbo65" 30th Mar
tebbo6530th Mar

A word to the wise!Auditioned these from RS. Went straight back after …A word to the wise!Auditioned these from RS. Went straight back after confirming that up-firing Atmos speakers don't work. You will not get anyone who knows about proper audio using this type of speaker, pure snake oil.Best solution if you can't do in-ceiling is properly positioned height speakers, high on the wall near the ceiling.I experimented with some Wharfedale 9.0's (40 quid a pair from Richer Sounds) and the result was stunning (storm scene from Everest was awesome).The result was that good I'm upgrading my amp to a 9 channel one and putting 4 JBL Control Ones's up high.If you want proper height effects, do it properly don't get sucked in by "bouncy house" BS.


so i can put some cheap but good speakers up high and use that as Atmos, as i live in flat so less wires , speakers on ceiling not ideal , tho i believe my amp need updating for that, i think most it can do is 7.2 , maybe 6.2
tebbo6551 m ago

A word to the wise!Auditioned these from RS. Went straight back after …A word to the wise!Auditioned these from RS. Went straight back after confirming that up-firing Atmos speakers don't work. You will not get anyone who knows about proper audio using this type of speaker, pure snake oil.Best solution if you can't do in-ceiling is properly positioned height speakers, high on the wall near the ceiling.I experimented with some Wharfedale 9.0's (40 quid a pair from Richer Sounds) and the result was stunning (storm scene from Everest was awesome).The result was that good I'm upgrading my amp to a 9 channel one and putting 4 JBL Control Ones's up high.If you want proper height effects, do it properly don't get sucked in by "bouncy house" BS.


Couldn’t agree more if you can’t run in ceiling speakers mount front and rear heights
tebbo657 h, 51 m ago

A word to the wise!Auditioned these from RS. Went straight back after …A word to the wise!Auditioned these from RS. Went straight back after confirming that up-firing Atmos speakers don't work. You will not get anyone who knows about proper audio using this type of speaker, pure snake oil.Best solution if you can't do in-ceiling is properly positioned height speakers, high on the wall near the ceiling.I experimented with some Wharfedale 9.0's (40 quid a pair from Richer Sounds) and the result was stunning (storm scene from Everest was awesome).The result was that good I'm upgrading my amp to a 9 channel one and putting 4 JBL Control Ones's up high.If you want proper height effects, do it properly don't get sucked in by "bouncy house" BS.


Surely you want 11 channels driven.
Hot for those that are happy to compromise or don't WANT high up speakers
jonmarz898 h, 22 m ago

so i can put some cheap but good speakers up high and use that as Atmos, …so i can put some cheap but good speakers up high and use that as Atmos, as i live in flat so less wires , speakers on ceiling not ideal , tho i believe my amp need updating for that, i think most it can do is 7.2 , maybe 6.2


Yep, do the research. You DO need an amp that can assign speakers to highs. At the mo I'm using a Denon x2400 (299 @ Richer Sounds) with the 2 height speakers (Wharfedale 9.0 39.99 RS).
High up the wall, 4ft forward of my listening position tilted down and pointing toward the MLP. Assign speakers as Top Middles.
I did have them as front highs (directly above the L&R fronts), but never got good above effects just a bigger front sound stage.
I'm picking up a Denon 4400h today (£850) which is a 9 channel allowing 4 heights. I'll move by Top middles back (above side surrounds, ish) and put the forward ones high and wide (not above front L&R) to promote more separation (especially when using DSP).
Experimentation although a pain in the butt is key. Every room set up is different.

REMEMBER THOUGH....YOU ARE MUCH BETTER OFF INVESTING MONEY AND TIME GETTING A 5.1 SET UP GOOD BEFORE ADDING MORE CHANNELS. IT CAN BECOME A RABBIT HOLE YOU'LL NEVER ESCAPE FROM
FunkiestMonkey1 h, 36 m ago

Hot for those that are happy to compromise or don't WANT high up speakers


To much of a compromise if they don't work. Atmos signals employ full range and bouncy speakers are limited to higher frequencies and still try to defy the law of physics!

On the 11 channel note;

9, L&R, Centre, Side Surrounds, 4 x heights = 9, plus a sub. Can't have back surrounds due to sofa up against the back wall
The Denon 4400h I'm picking up today can be extended to 11 channels via a 2 channel power amp. So when we change the change the sofa and I buy the good lady lots of gifts I may go down that route.
FunkiestMonkey1 h, 36 m ago

Hot for those that are happy to compromise or don't WANT high up speakers

Edited by: "tebbo65" 31st Mar
Pokerkingbouch30th Mar

These are excellent for the money and work really well imoWould definitely …These are excellent for the money and work really well imoWould definitely recommend if you don’t have the option to fit atmos in your celling Sit nicely on top of your front and back speakers And are very well made [Image]


Very nice setup. What floor standing speakers are you using
tebbo6510 h, 43 m ago

A word to the wise!Auditioned these from RS. Went straight back after …A word to the wise!Auditioned these from RS. Went straight back after confirming that up-firing Atmos speakers don't work. You will not get anyone who knows about proper audio using this type of speaker, pure snake oil.Best solution if you can't do in-ceiling is properly positioned height speakers, high on the wall near the ceiling.I experimented with some Wharfedale 9.0's (40 quid a pair from Richer Sounds) and the result was stunning (storm scene from Everest was awesome).The result was that good I'm upgrading my amp to a 9 channel one and putting 4 JBL Control Ones's up high.If you want proper height effects, do it properly don't get sucked in by "bouncy house" BS.


Thanks for this. Just upgraded my onkyo to a Denon Atmos and was planning to go down the upward firing speakers route.

think I’ll have to do a lot more research and demos before I dive in.
Si19691 h, 10 m ago

Very nice setup. What floor standing speakers are you using


Cheers
I’m using the acoustic energy 305 for the fronts
tebbo652 h, 52 m ago

Yep, do the research. You DO need an amp that can assign speakers to …Yep, do the research. You DO need an amp that can assign speakers to highs. At the mo I'm using a Denon x2400 (299 @ Richer Sounds) with the 2 height speakers (Wharfedale 9.0 39.99 RS). High up the wall, 4ft forward of my listening position tilted down and pointing toward the MLP. Assign speakers as Top Middles. I did have them as front highs (directly above the L&R fronts), but never got good above effects just a bigger front sound stage.I'm picking up a Denon 4400h today (£850) which is a 9 channel allowing 4 heights. I'll move by Top middles back (above side surrounds, ish) and put the forward ones high and wide (not above front L&R) to promote more separation (especially when using DSP).Experimentation although a pain in the butt is key. Every room set up is different.REMEMBER THOUGH....YOU ARE MUCH BETTER OFF INVESTING MONEY AND TIME GETTING A 5.1 SET UP GOOD BEFORE ADDING MORE CHANNELS. IT CAN BECOME A RABBIT HOLE YOU'LL NEVER ESCAPE FROM


well at moment, my 5.1 set-up is dimond 9.0 rears at side, 2020i at front and a blue Dali c 100 for center , with a yahama fsw100 sub. i live in flat so room is just 3.5m by 3m or something like that
I have Mission LX's front, center and rear. Would the Diamond 9.0's, with ceiling mounts, function ok for a 5.1.2 Atmos setup?
RockstarRobbo7 h, 43 m ago

https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/49190/dali-alteco-c-1-black-ash-height-speakers-pair-/These might be a good alternative as height speakers


Now we're talking
when you put speakers in ceeiling? do you have to cut a hole in ceiling etc or is just attaching to some kind of frame?
wakkaday3 h, 42 m ago

when you put speakers in ceeiling? do you have to cut a hole in ceiling …when you put speakers in ceeiling? do you have to cut a hole in ceiling etc or is just attaching to some kind of frame?


You need to cut a hole to insert the speaker unless your ceiling is very high and you decide to hang the speakers .
Edited by: "AJ92" 1st Apr
AJ924 h, 33 m ago

You need to cut a hole to insert the speaker unless your ceiling is very …You need to cut a hole to insert the speaker unless your ceiling is very high and you decide to hang the speakers .


And run the cables to the amp? And also I ghsssi need a power source too
jonmarz8931st Mar

well at moment, my 5.1 set-up is dimond 9.0 rears at side, 2020i at front …well at moment, my 5.1 set-up is dimond 9.0 rears at side, 2020i at front and a blue Dali c 100 for center , with a yahama fsw100 sub. i live in flat so room is just 3.5m by 3m or something like that


Spend your money on a decent sub, will make much more of a difference. Look at the BK range for the best subs below £500.
b1g1an2 h, 46 m ago

Spend your money on a decent sub, will make much more of a difference. …Spend your money on a decent sub, will make much more of a difference. Look at the BK range for the best subs below £500.


i got told the warfedale 150 , I think there said anything over 10 or 8 inch drive, just can't have it too loud, i am a nice neighbour, so look into sub then onto more than 5.1
On paper that Wharfedale is OK but it's shockingly poor in reality, just booms and not a lot else. I got one after my 10" Paradigm died after 15+ years solid service as it looked to be very similar, luckily I got it through Amazon so could send it back easily.

I ended up going for the BK P12 which is a 300w 12" sub and it is amazing, my whole system sounds so much better. May be a bit big for you but I'm sure the 10" Gemini at around £200 should give you a decent upgrade. They only sell direct which is how they can keep the prices so low for the quality you get. Best place to buy is from their ebay outlet where they sell supposed seconds though mine was perfect and I've never heard of anyone who had one that wasn't...

ebay.co.uk/sch…sxb

Check out the subwoofer forum on the av-forums for more info, BK are the only subs that get ever recommended in the sensible side price bracket.
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