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Electric Cube Acid Hybrid One 500 Mountain E-Bike Red/Green £1469.99 @ Rutland Cycling
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Electric Cube Acid Hybrid One 500 Mountain E-Bike Red/Green £1469.99 @ Rutland Cycling

£1,469.99£1,799.9918%Rutland Cycling Deals
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Posted 8th Oct

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Still looking at possibly getting an hardtail E BIKE to try & re ignite my long gone BMX days.

If you use the code XWBK at checkout this bike can be had for £1469.99.

Good review here: ebikechoices.com/cub…ew/

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Been looking at this cube E bike with Bosch power pack & drive unit with 25/40 mile range. I Recently bought a cube bike for the wife & impressed with the build quality & found this one in 21" frame only BUT if you use the code XWBK you get an additional £50 off & comes with free delivery.

I just want a basic E bike an appreciate that some of the spec's might not top notch, but for me it'll be fine .

Sales blurb below:

The Acid Hybrid ONE combines the best of both worlds: rugged mountain bike attitude and comfortable versatility, as we know from our touring bikes.
Thanks to its pleasingly slim frame and its uncomplicated handling, it is not only the perfect everyday companion, but with its different frame versions - it is even available with trapeze entry - really every taste. The powerful and reliable Bosch Active Line Plus engine and battery find their place on the specially developed aluminum frame and ensure even and silent support. With the smooth-running Shimano 9-speed gearshift you have the right gear for every driving situation and the powerful hydraulic Shimano MT200 disc brakes ensure a safe speed control. The supple Suntour suspension fork and grippy Schwalbe tires make the small comfort difference for an absolutely pleasant driving experience. From the urban jungle and the daily commute to real off-road adventures - the Acid Hybrid ONE can do it all!

The 400wh (watt hours) Bosch battery has an approximate manufacturers range of 50 miles (80 km). However, using the 20wh per mile calculation (assuming power was on constantly) you would be looking at around 20 miles. I would say an average range of between 25-40 miles would be about right

Key Specifications

  • Frame - Aluminum Super Lite, Advanced hydroforming
  • Fork - SR Suntour XCM ATB Coil, 100mm
  • Drivetrain - SR Suntour XCM ATB Coil, 100mm
  • Brakes - System Shimano BR-MT200, Hydr. Disc Brake (180/180)
  • Motor - Bosch Drive Unit Active Plus (50Nm) Cruise (250Watt)
  • Battery - Bosch PowerPack
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basergorkobal08/10/2019 13:42

Underpowered and a hardtail so not much good for mountain biking. What's …Underpowered and a hardtail so not much good for mountain biking. What's the point of this bike? Other than commuting of course.


Are you claiming a hardtail isn't good for mountain biking or am I misreading you?
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250Watts at Decathlon for £999 and just 8Nm less
Edited by: "jakbli" 8th Oct
Underpowered and a hardtail so not much good for mountain biking. What's the point of this bike? Other than commuting of course.
jakbli08/10/2019 13:28

250Watts at Decathlon for £999 and just 8Nm less


Not a brand I'm aware of & after looking it up I can see its not exactly in the same league. Cheap at £999 but not exactly a known brand.

But hey... You pays your money & takes your choice
basergorkobal08/10/2019 13:42

Underpowered and a hardtail so not much good for mountain biking. What's …Underpowered and a hardtail so not much good for mountain biking. What's the point of this bike? Other than commuting of course.


We don't all go serious mountain biking... Hence why brands still offer hardtail bikes
basergorkobal08/10/2019 13:42

Underpowered and a hardtail so not much good for mountain biking. What's …Underpowered and a hardtail so not much good for mountain biking. What's the point of this bike? Other than commuting of course.


Are you claiming a hardtail isn't good for mountain biking or am I misreading you?
ShaneDarch08/10/2019 13:46

We don't all go serious mountain biking... Hence why brands still offer …We don't all go serious mountain biking... Hence why brands still offer hardtail bikes


You can very much do serious mountain biking with a hardtail, even rigid bikes are immensely capable. I do my winter riding on a rigid and my summer bike is a hardtail by choice over a full suspension bike and can ride black level trails no sweat. I prefer the feel of the hardtail particularly its short back end which is a lot of fun at speed.

The BBC had a good article on e-bikes yesterday:

bbc.co.uk/new…409

I don't ride one myself but I think they're great as they make it much easier to get into cycling and as you get better you can dial down the power and build up your fitness. The Cube looks a decent bike particularly with the purpose built frame integrated the battery and motor plus if you do get into it more, you can upgrade parts as you feel necessary (or when you break them!)
If you want to reignite your BMX days buy another BMX. This thing is not for jumping.
xavier.jones08/10/2019 15:26

If you want to reignite your BMX days buy another BMX. This thing is not …If you want to reignite your BMX days buy another BMX. This thing is not for jumping.


Bit big/old for that now BUT if I was in the mind to buy a bmx look at this
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Edited by: "ShaneDarch" 8th Oct
basergorkobal08/10/2019 13:42

Underpowered and a hardtail so not much good for mountain biking. What's …Underpowered and a hardtail so not much good for mountain biking. What's the point of this bike? Other than commuting of course.


I've recently watches Red Bull Hard-line which were hardtails and that looked like some extreme mountain biking to me.
Johnmcl708/10/2019 14:12

Are you claiming a hardtail isn't good for mountain biking or am I …Are you claiming a hardtail isn't good for mountain biking or am I misreading you?


This is an electric bike. Electric handrails are not much use for mountain biking. Heavy, poor traction on climbs and poor handling on descents.
So yes, if you're going to buy an electric mountain bike go full suspension. If you want a hardtail don't bother with a motor.
basergorkobal08/10/2019 17:08

This is an electric bike. Electric handrails are not much use for mountain …This is an electric bike. Electric handrails are not much use for mountain biking. Heavy, poor traction on climbs and poor handling on descents.So yes, if you're going to buy an electric mountain bike go full suspension. If you want a hardtail don't bother with a motor.


I've ridden with a variety of hardtail e-bikes and never seen any of the issues you've mentioned some of which don't even make sense, you can't complain about the weight of a hardtail being an issue when a full suspension bike is going to be heavier. I really don't know where you've got this idea hardtail e-bikes are not good for mountain biking.
sprite12759408/10/2019 15:45

I've recently watches Red Bull Hard-line which were hardtails and that …I've recently watches Red Bull Hard-line which were hardtails and that looked like some extreme mountain biking to me.


No, you were mistaken - apparently according to the posts above hardtails are only good for commuting
Edited by: "Johnmcl7" 8th Oct
This has no doubt been asked before, but can you use a bike to work discount on e bikes?
Thanks for the discount code OP!
Perfectly good. Has the standard 250w nominal Bosch Active Line Plus motor which is actually very, very good.

I considered this bike for commuting but it lacks the ability to put a rack on the back - a common failing of lower priced Cube and Scott ebikes.

However this motor is very good. Not as much torque as the Bosch CX motor BUT it has some advantages over the CURRENT CX motor in terms of distance and also the front crankset.

oThe new version of the CX, which is just coming out, is basically the ALP motor but with the added torque of the CX.

So, all in all, a really nice bike. Plenty of Brits on the pedelecs forum have it and enjoy it.
Johnmcl708/10/2019 18:21

I've ridden with a variety of hardtail e-bikes and never seen any of the …I've ridden with a variety of hardtail e-bikes and never seen any of the issues you've mentioned some of which don't even make sense, you can't complain about the weight of a hardtail being an issue when a full suspension bike is going to be heavier. I really don't know where you've got this idea hardtail e-bikes are not good for mountain biking.


So which of the issues I mentioned doesn't make sense to you and why? If you want to make a counter argument then do it.
Yes a full suspension ebike will be heavier. But negligibly so in comparison to a hardtail. At the same time offering better traction on climbs and way better handling on descents.
Which brings me to my original point. Electric handrails make poor MTB compared to full suspension equivalents. Unless you want to use them on fire roads and canal paths.
Robbo7708/10/2019 18:42

This has no doubt been asked before, but can you use a bike to work …This has no doubt been asked before, but can you use a bike to work discount on e bikes?


Yep
tawse5708/10/2019 19:58

Perfectly good. Has the standard 250w nominal Bosch Active Line Plus motor …Perfectly good. Has the standard 250w nominal Bosch Active Line Plus motor which is actually very, very good.I considered this bike for commuting but it lacks the ability to put a rack on the back - a common failing of lower priced Cube and Scott ebikes.However this motor is very good. Not as much torque as the Bosch CX motor BUT it has some advantages over the CURRENT CX motor in terms of distance and also the front crankset. oThe new version of the CX, which is just coming out, is basically the ALP motor but with the added torque of the CX.So, all in all, a really nice bike. Plenty of Brits on the pedelecs forum have it and enjoy it.


You seem to know your stuff. What's the best for buck electric conversion kit out there?
sprite12759409/10/2019 08:13

You seem to know your stuff. What's the best for buck electric conversion …You seem to know your stuff. What's the best for buck electric conversion kit out there?




I think the Tongsheng. Alot of people opt for the Bafang. Here is a really good blog by a really nice guy who has converted 100's of bikes.

ebikechoices.com/diy…ke/
Here is a video of a Tongsheng conversion.

tawse5709/10/2019 09:46

I think the Tongsheng. Alot of people opt for the Bafang. Here is a really …I think the Tongsheng. Alot of people opt for the Bafang. Here is a really good blog by a really nice guy who has converted 100's of bikes.https://ebikechoices.com/diy-electric-bike/


Cheers. Not the cheapest things then. A quick search throws up a lot of rear hub conversions


youtube.com/wat…aTY

Edited by: "sprite127594" 9th Oct
basergorkobal08/10/2019 20:15

So which of the issues I mentioned doesn't make sense to you and why? If …So which of the issues I mentioned doesn't make sense to you and why? If you want to make a counter argument then do it.Yes a full suspension ebike will be heavier. But negligibly so in comparison to a hardtail. At the same time offering better traction on climbs and way better handling on descents.Which brings me to my original point. Electric handrails make poor MTB compared to full suspension equivalents. Unless you want to use them on fire roads and canal paths.


Which ebikes have you used?
sprite12759409/10/2019 13:09

Cheers. Not the cheapest things then. A quick search throws up a lot of …Cheers. Not the cheapest things then. A quick search throws up a lot of rear hub conversions https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=91&v=TADLUEJwaTY




It all depends where you are living - on the flat or in a very hilly area. Lots of people say that the rear hub motors do not have the gumption to get you up hills. Or that the more powerful ones do but are prone to burning out.

There are vast numbers of videos on youtube of people doing rear hub motor conversions or mid motor conversions.

I am seriously considering whether to build my own mid motor ebike or to buy a ready made bosch one. There are pros and cons to both.

1. The Boschs are expensive. There are enormous costs with repairing them once out of warranty as Bosch does not allow spare parts to be sold in the UK.

2. The build your own mid motor option has a big fan base in the UK, and hence lots of knowledge about how to repair the motors when they fail, but when you buy a bike, the motor and the battery you can be within £200 of a Bosch bike in a sale.

I like the Bosch bikes and, if you keep an eye out, you can nab one for almost 50% off. But being unable to service let alone repair the motors myself gives cause for concern. I like the idea of being able to service and repair the bafang or tongsheng motors myself but... if putting one together is just a few hundred quid less than a Bosch then...
tawse5709/10/2019 16:48

It all depends where you are living - on the flat or in a very hilly area. …It all depends where you are living - on the flat or in a very hilly area. Lots of people say that the rear hub motors do not have the gumption to get you up hills. Or that the more powerful ones do but are prone to burning out.There are vast numbers of videos on youtube of people doing rear hub motor conversions or mid motor conversions.I am seriously considering whether to build my own mid motor ebike or to buy a ready made bosch one. There are pros and cons to both.1. The Boschs are expensive. There are enormous costs with repairing them once out of warranty as Bosch does not allow spare parts to be sold in the UK.2. The build your own mid motor option has a big fan base in the UK, and hence lots of knowledge about how to repair the motors when they fail, but when you buy a bike, the motor and the battery you can be within £200 of a Bosch bike in a sale. I like the Bosch bikes and, if you keep an eye out, you can nab one for almost 50% off. But being unable to service let alone repair the motors myself gives cause for concern. I like the idea of being able to service and repair the bafang or tongsheng motors myself but... if putting one together is just a few hundred quid less than a Bosch then...


I see the dilemma. You don't want to spend a lot of money and then have to spend a lot again if something goes wrong. Then again would the Bosch products be a lot more reliable than the Chinese stuff??
sprite12759410/10/2019 06:49

I see the dilemma. You don't want to spend a lot of money and then have to …I see the dilemma. You don't want to spend a lot of money and then have to spend a lot again if something goes wrong. Then again would the Bosch products be a lot more reliable than the Chinese stuff??




The 2 main things that appear to go wrong with these motors are plastic gear wheels or circuit boards breaking inside the motors. They all use plastic gears.

Now, with the self-build motors the spare parts are available and there are countless forums and videos explaining how to open up the motors, repair them and getting on with life. There are even brass gear wheels available which many people use to replace the plastic ones to make the motors more reliable.

When it comes to the Bosch ones Bosch does not sell any spare parts in the UK. They will not even sell - officially - the special wrench you need to open up a Bosch motor.

I have seen Brits post on ebike forums that if they had known this when they bought their Bosch ebikes that they would not have bought them. I see plenty of people saying that Bosch are great when the motor is under warranty and that Bosch is very good at replacing motors that fail.

However, I have also seen people who have said that, when they had problems with their motors towards the end of the 2 year warranty, that Bosch has been less than helpful wanting to know how far the bike has travelled and when it last got serviced - yes, they expect you to get the Bosch motor regularly serviced at one of their service centres. Not cheap by all accounts.

I have also seen it posted on forums that when a Bosch motor fails outside of warranty that Bosch want about £650 to sell you a new motor BUT they allegedly demand that you send back your old broken motor first. Hang on, you bought that. It is yours. It is knackered and dead but in order to sell you a new motor for a hefty sum then Bosch demand you give them something that you already own????

Now there are plenty of happy Bosch ebike owners but these things are relatively new and no one really knows how reliable they are or what the longterm costs are. The idea of paying £1400 for a Bosch powered ebike - and that would be a bargain basement sale price - is scary enough when you know of the above. But what if you pay 2 thousand or 3... or 4... or even more?

I think the Bosch motors are better generally in performance than the Bafang or the Tongsheng but at least you have some chance of repairing one of those if it goes wrong.

But here is something else to bear in mind.

The legal limit for an ebike motor in the UK/EU is 250 watts. Many people in the UK on ebike forums argue that a 250w motor is not powerful enough to get you up many UK hills. I live in hilly Wales. Hence you will read that lots of people - illegally - have 350 watt and often 500 watt motors on their ebikes. From what I can make out a 500 watt motor is really needed if you live in a hilly area. But if you are ride one of these then you are breaking the law. What happens if you have an accident with car or, worse, a person?

Now, the likes of Bosch and Yamaha, etc, have their motors are 250 watts also but apparently they had 250 watts nominal. What does that mean? Well, it supposedly means that they are officially 250 watts and hence legal but they can do bursts up to 500 watts and, some say, a bit higher. It appears to be some technical legalise to make their motors legal.

This might now be important if you live in a very flat area but I have loads of hills on my commute and the main reason for buying an ebike is getting up hills each day when I am knackered of a return journey. So a Bosch bike, from a legal POV, seems to be the only way to go as otherwise I would be looking at a 500 watt Tongsheng or Bafang which are illegal.




Sorry to rant on, but there are lots of things to think about. You have lots of pros and cons whichever system you decide upon. I am leaning towards a Bosch but only a Bosch which is at sale prices - around £1400 tops. Any prices above that are just crazy IMPO considering what I have read about issues with repairs and reliability.

Excuse any typos or mistakes as I have not read back what I have ranted on about
tawse5710/10/2019 09:45

The 2 main things that appear to go wrong with these motors are plastic …The 2 main things that appear to go wrong with these motors are plastic gear wheels or circuit boards breaking inside the motors. They all use plastic gears.Now, with the self-build motors the spare parts are available and there are countless forums and videos explaining how to open up the motors, repair them and getting on with life. There are even brass gear wheels available which many people use to replace the plastic ones to make the motors more reliable.When it comes to the Bosch ones Bosch does not sell any spare parts in the UK. They will not even sell - officially - the special wrench you need to open up a Bosch motor.I have seen Brits post on ebike forums that if they had known this when they bought their Bosch ebikes that they would not have bought them. I see plenty of people saying that Bosch are great when the motor is under warranty and that Bosch is very good at replacing motors that fail.However, I have also seen people who have said that, when they had problems with their motors towards the end of the 2 year warranty, that Bosch has been less than helpful wanting to know how far the bike has travelled and when it last got serviced - yes, they expect you to get the Bosch motor regularly serviced at one of their service centres. Not cheap by all accounts.I have also seen it posted on forums that when a Bosch motor fails outside of warranty that Bosch want about £650 to sell you a new motor BUT they allegedly demand that you send back your old broken motor first. Hang on, you bought that. It is yours. It is knackered and dead but in order to sell you a new motor for a hefty sum then Bosch demand you give them something that you already own????Now there are plenty of happy Bosch ebike owners but these things are relatively new and no one really knows how reliable they are or what the longterm costs are. The idea of paying £1400 for a Bosch powered ebike - and that would be a bargain basement sale price - is scary enough when you know of the above. But what if you pay 2 thousand or 3... or 4... or even more? I think the Bosch motors are better generally in performance than the Bafang or the Tongsheng but at least you have some chance of repairing one of those if it goes wrong. But here is something else to bear in mind.The legal limit for an ebike motor in the UK/EU is 250 watts. Many people in the UK on ebike forums argue that a 250w motor is not powerful enough to get you up many UK hills. I live in hilly Wales. Hence you will read that lots of people - illegally - have 350 watt and often 500 watt motors on their ebikes. From what I can make out a 500 watt motor is really needed if you live in a hilly area. But if you are ride one of these then you are breaking the law. What happens if you have an accident with car or, worse, a person?Now, the likes of Bosch and Yamaha, etc, have their motors are 250 watts also but apparently they had 250 watts nominal. What does that mean? Well, it supposedly means that they are officially 250 watts and hence legal but they can do bursts up to 500 watts and, some say, a bit higher. It appears to be some technical legalise to make their motors legal.This might now be important if you live in a very flat area but I have loads of hills on my commute and the main reason for buying an ebike is getting up hills each day when I am knackered of a return journey. So a Bosch bike, from a legal POV, seems to be the only way to go as otherwise I would be looking at a 500 watt Tongsheng or Bafang which are illegal.Sorry to rant on, but there are lots of things to think about. You have lots of pros and cons whichever system you decide upon. I am leaning towards a Bosch but only a Bosch which is at sale prices - around £1400 tops. Any prices above that are just crazy IMPO considering what I have read about issues with repairs and reliability.Excuse any typos or mistakes as I have not read back what I have ranted on about


Don't worry about ranting this is some great info that's saved me about a week's worth of research probably. Now say you got a Bosch, would you be happy with the 15mph limit or could you derestrict it? I normally travel at 15mph on 12kg MTB and seeing this one is 21.5kg if the battery runs out that is some weight to pedal. Seems this one in real use will do about 20/25miles. Sometimes I do 30/40mile trips but then again I suppose I would have a lot more energy left in my legs to manage the rest of the trip.

Would you of had this if you could put pans in it?
Edited by: "sprite127594" 10th Oct
sprite12759410/10/2019 15:32

Don't worry about ranting this is some great info that's saved me about a …Don't worry about ranting this is some great info that's saved me about a week's worth of research probably. Now say you got a Bosch, would you be happy with the 15mph limit or could you derestrict it? I normally travel at 15mph on 12kg MTB and seeing this one is 21.5kg if the battery runs out that is some weight to pedal. Seems this one in real use will do about 20/25miles. Sometimes I do 30/40mile trips but then again I suppose I would have a lot more energy left in my legs to manage the rest of the trip.



I have seen some people do 70 miles on a Bosch with a mix of pedalling and battery. 25 miles would not be a problem.

You can de-restrict the Bosch motors. But from now on the new motors manufactured will have a kill switch that will turn them off for 30 minutes if they go over the limit. If it does it 2 or 3 times the motor cuts out completely until a Bosch engineer turns it back on. Might be a b*gger if it happens by accident halfway up Brecon.

I have at people riding towards me at 15mph on cycle paths on ebikes and it is scary how fast they come at you. I am more interested in helping me up the 3 big hills to get me home than speed.
I cannot believe the drivel i am reading on this how many have ridden an bike? i have a FS specialised E-Bike,certainly would not look down my nose like most of the ill informed comments 15 mph fine going up hill but on tarmac you want a bit more, as for the price of this don't expect to be launching this all over the place but a great way to get into E-biking.
1.Easy charging taking the battery of and take it inside mine is integrated into the front tube.
2. lighter than a FS
3. the weight is central making a better ride
4.Boch , brose or Shimano motors Don't worry take it back to the shop and they will fix it.
5. enjoy going up hills that are sooo easy i've done loops that i do on my road bike and with the e-it's so relaxing not bursting your baas.
sprite12759410/10/2019 06:49

I see the dilemma. You don't want to spend a lot of money and then have to …I see the dilemma. You don't want to spend a lot of money and then have to spend a lot again if something goes wrong. Then again would the Bosch products be a lot more reliable than the Chinese stuff??


There is also the issue of the type of motor, direct drive hub motors tend to be very reliable but heavy, then you get geared hub motors which are lighter but have more moving parts so tend to be less reliable then you have mid-mount motors which have a lot more moving parts often in a quite a small overall package. Bearings often go on Bosch motors and I assume its a bike shop fix only and fair wear and tear not really a fault. Sounds like the new Bosch motors are improved in many ways though.

Bafang make a lot of oem parts for e-bike motor manufacturers including whole motors to the design of their customers so there are a lot of Chinese parts in many e-bike motors you buy don't assume motors from Countries other than China don't actually have a lot of Chinese parts in them. Like German cars there is a premium to buying them and maintaining same as with e-bike motors but when you use them performance can be a little bit better. By restricting the supply of parts and who can maintain them it becomes a non-competitive environment where profits can be maximised at the expense of the end user. I don't like this arrangement and actually think the engineering is better in the Japanese units Shimano and Yamaha. When I say better I mean more durable with lower maintenance costs rather than performance. There was one Shimano motor I think that was criticised for being more noisy and it was but that was because it had metal gearing so created more whine noise but in the similar Bosch unit it was plastic/nylon gearing which was more silent. In my opinion stronger internals and lower maintenance costs are worth a bit of extra noise.

You only have to look at the difference in reliability of Japanese and German cars to see how they differ in engineering priorities with Japan always at the top and German stuff mostly at the bottom. Unless you have a huge disposable income buying Japanese generally makes more sense. However it gets a bit more confusing with e-bikes as the Chinese actually dominate e-bike manufacturing of components even if e-bike assembly is more spread out around the world.

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