elevation full size acoustic guitar, clip on chromatic guitar tuner, universal guitar stand, acoustic guitar bag, all for £59.99 @ argos
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elevation full size acoustic guitar, clip on chromatic guitar tuner, universal guitar stand, acoustic guitar bag, all for £59.99 @ argos

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Found 6th Nov 2012
Was looking for a guitar for christmas for my lad, you are getting about £49 quid of extras thrown in which is great! He's just learning so this should set him up.

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If you want to stop your lad learning then buy a cheap guitar. don't waste your money on an unplayable instrument

You can also see the flip side though mark, theres no point spending a fortune on a kids hobby as they might not like it. My parents had me playing violin when i was young and i havent touched one since. If laddo plays it for a few years and seems keen then you can get them a nicer one when they are old enough to appreciate the difference.

Bought my daughter two inexpensive (£80'ish each) guitars electric and acoustic, she didn't touch or learn either. Fast forward a few years and Ed Sheeran has her playing a guitar, mind you she won't use anything less than a £500 electroacoustic jobbie.

Buying cheap is good as not too much is lost if they don't take to it but then again buying expensive is good too as you can resell for good money.

Original Poster

i appreciate it's not for the purists, but for a first guitar and the extras to get you started it's not bad. Unplayable might be a bit strong.

bob I'm no purist, just telling the truth, you will see, high action and young tender fingers don't mix, better to buy a cheap electric or a better 2nd hand accoustic.

markdarwen

If you want to stop your lad learning then buy a cheap guitar. don't … If you want to stop your lad learning then buy a cheap guitar. don't waste your money on an unplayable instrument



The phrase 'a good workman never blames his tools' springs to mind.

I learned on a battered old thing that I bought from Oxfam for all my pocket money (a £1 note; I remember the day well), then my Dad bought me something better after I'd been playing about 6 months and proved it wasn't a flash in the pan hobby, as kids are wont to have.

30+ years later, I'm glad I learned on such a difficult instrument as it means I can pull a tune out of practically anything nowadays.

Anyway, a couple of my students have these and they're excellent value for money, which, I believe, this site is all about.

Original Poster

i absolutely defer to people with a better knowledge of guitars, as mine is next to nil. The reviews on the item seem to be genuine, if he has problems playing it, i will look to sell it, keep the rest of the gear and go down your suggested route Mark.

markdarwen

If you want to stop your lad learning then buy a cheap guitar. don't … If you want to stop your lad learning then buy a cheap guitar. don't waste your money on an unplayable instrument


I wouldn't agree with that in the slightest having learnt to play on a badly set up 30 yr old guitar. It made me a much better guitarist mastering it not to mention how it strengthened my fingers. This would be easier and an ideal starter guitar (value, whether the player will put in the time, etc). Fortunately there is a reverse snobbery nowadays with players who will champion mid-range guitars over spending thousands. This won't be in that category but it would be a good place to start.

Good luck anyone starting, trust your ears and put the time in. Having a crowd go nuts really is a massive buzz, it's worth the effort.

diGriz

Good luck anyone starting, trust your ears and put the time in. Having a … Good luck anyone starting, trust your ears and put the time in. Having a crowd go nuts really is a massive buzz, it's worth the effort.



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Picked up a starter squire guitar on ebay practically unused for £40 .. maybe it's no better than this, but I'd suggest looking the ebay route (especially using the distance search. Could find yourself an absolute bargain if you're in the market for a guitar.

I don't proclaim to be any sort of expert. I'm a novice, but I've managed to learn most of the chords and can even attempt the first half of blackbird which imvho doesn't sound too shabby.

I'd recommend picking up a guitar tuner too, it's a life saver for those of us new to the world of playing guitar

Edited by: "Saintledger" 7th Nov 2012

Saintledger

Picked up a starter squire guitar on ebay practically unused for £40 .. … Picked up a starter squire guitar on ebay practically unused for £40 .. maybe it's no better than this



Squire or Squier? Squier is the budget arm of Fender, and whilst I've not played one I've only heard good things about them.
Failing that I'd try and find a second hand Yamaha acoustic, the entry level ones are much better than the vast majority of 'starter' guitars.

I think it's lovely to wax lyrical about how having a difficult instrument to start teaches you to persevere but the reality is if a child isn't hearing what they're trying to play or it's too uncomfortable to play the vast majority will bin it. The one or two posters on here are massively outweighed by people that packed it in because it was too hard.

You will get a much more playable guitar for your money if you look second hand, even within the same budget.
Edited by: "tenohfive" 7th Nov 2012

Yup - if you're not really sure what to look for (playabilty/action, tuning heads that won't seize up or allow string to slip), then Yamaha make decent entry level guitars
I just got my 14 month old the 1/4 size 'GL1' (50quid) for Christmas.....I might need to have a couple goes on it first

Can't really comment on this particular guitar without playing it, but...

Get a used decent one instead. You'll pay around the same, but it will be so much nicer to play!

Better off trying this out first, don't no if Argos do that. But chances are it will be playable and not a bad start.

99% of the performers out there first played something like this (or worse) in the beginning, I certainly did. Most of the people put off by the early struggles probably wouldn't have persevered anyway even if they were given a Martin, Taylor, lowden etc to learn on. Natural selection if you like.
Hot, especially with the extras.

tenohfive

Squire or Squier? Squier is the budget arm of Fender, and whilst I've not … Squire or Squier? Squier is the budget arm of Fender, and whilst I've not played one I've only heard good things about them.Failing that I'd try and find a second hand Yamaha acoustic, the entry level ones are much better than the vast majority of 'starter' guitars.I think it's lovely to wax lyrical about how having a difficult instrument to start teaches you to persevere but the reality is if a child isn't hearing what they're trying to play or it's too uncomfortable to play the vast majority will bin it. The one or two posters on here are massively outweighed by people that packed it in because it was too hard.You will get a much more playable guitar for your money if you look second hand, even within the same budget.




Yes your one, Squier i'll find a stock pic...

http://www.guitartrader.com/images/ProdImage01/500/093-0300-021.jpg

Personally I think it looks and sounds really good. Plenty of people buy guitars and never use them so the second hand market is usually, (for entry level guitars) booming

Unfortunately, you can't buy willpower.

Agree that most give up,the moment they realise it's somewhat difficult to learn an instrument.

My first guitar was crap, and my second and third.

£60 for a very poor guitar is about as cold as it gets.

Why wouldn't you buy this Fender for £63
http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product~name~Fender-ESC105~ID~13007.asp
http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/70645_l.jpg
Soundslive have many recognised brand acoustics for under £100



Edited by: "ijw0161" 7th Nov 2012

ijw0161

£60 for a very poor guitar is about as cold as it gets.Why wouldn't you … £60 for a very poor guitar is about as cold as it gets.Why wouldn't you buy this Fender for £63http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product~name~Fender-ESC105~ID~13007.aspSoundslive have many recognised brand acoustics for under £100



Looks to me like that same Argos guitar is on your recomended site, at £99.00
http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product~name~Takamine-Jasmine-S35-Acoustic-Guitar~ID~16956.asp

So... well take that how you will.
I do agree that you should spend a little more though, as it can be recouped when selling again, if not continued with,

Despite this guitar being awful, what none of you have commented on is that a FULL SIZE acoustic won't be any good for a CHILD.

Go to a proper music shop and get them sized up other wise you are wasting your money and they will give up .

Can any of you make a recommendation for guitar for a 6 year old - I know nothing about them (except the opening chords to Enter Sandman), she seems keen but I don't want to waste money. I assume something like this is ok amazon.co.uk/Yam…QOA I just need to get it under £50 now.
Edited by: "Milkfloat" 7th Nov 2012


Why wouldn't you buy this Fender for £63
soundslive.co.uk/pro…asp

Soundslive have many recognised brand acoustics for under £100





I'm not sure if soundslive price match, but dv247 do - check out the german site
thomann.de/gb/…tml

When you buy a brand name instrument vs. a cheap decoration, you can pretty much guarantee it will have, for example, a truss rod (which is necessary for the instrument's initial 'setup' or required when the guitar settles in over time)

a guitar is for life, not just for Christmas





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Edited by: "jeczap" 7th Nov 2012

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cRuNcHiE

Despite this guitar being awful, what none of you have commented on is … Despite this guitar being awful, what none of you have commented on is that a FULL SIZE acoustic won't be any good for a CHILD.Go to a proper music shop and get them sized up other wise you are wasting your money and they will give up .



I think most people realise that a smaller guitar is better for a child....This one has good reviewes for £29

argos.co.uk/sta…htm

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markdarwen

If you want to stop your lad learning then buy a cheap guitar. don't … If you want to stop your lad learning then buy a cheap guitar. don't waste your money on an unplayable instrument



Absolute bull....Ignore this poster and read the reviews from people that actually own it.

Milkfloat

Can any of you make a recommendation for guitar for a 6 year old - I know … Can any of you make a recommendation for guitar for a 6 year old - I know nothing about them (except the opening chords to Enter Sandman), she seems keen but I don't want to waste money. I assume something like this is ok http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yamaha-CS40-Size-Classical-Guitar/dp/B00127UQOA I just need to get it under £50 now.



A 3/4 will be far too big for a 6 year old.

They'll either need a 1/4 or 1/2 size . The sizing related to the spacing between the frets, not just the body size.

If its too big they won't be able to stretch to fret the notes and they find it uncomfortable to arch their arm over the top of the guitar. This means they usually angle the guitar outwards and hurt their wrists trying the play it.

I work in a REAL music shop , we sell 1/4 size reasonable guitars with a bag for £48
Any other real music shop will do the same.

Argos know NOTHING about making sure the guitar is setup before it leaves the shop.

To be honest though, most 5/6 year olds progress much better starting on ukuleles as the moment as the schools ditched the recorder for ukes.

slamdunkin

Absolute bull....Ignore this poster and read the reviews from people that … Absolute bull....Ignore this poster and read the reviews from people that actually own it.


Argos vet their reviews , I've had mine blocked from
Being posted and I Have seen these guitars .

Argos also falsely advertise a yamaha digital piano for £199 I think it is. It's a keyboard, it doesn't have weighted keys!
Lots of people see that and then think we are a rip off when we sell the genuine article.

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Argus have never vetted any of my bad reviews.

cRuNcHiE

To be honest though, most 5/6 year olds progress much better starting on … To be honest though, most 5/6 year olds progress much better starting on ukuleles as the moment as the schools ditched the recorder for ukes.



I was also looking at a Ukulele as well as I think the school is starting that now. A Mahalo one starts at about £16 is that OK? Not necessarily looking for the cheapest, I want something that is playable.
Edited by: "Milkfloat" 7th Nov 2012

Milkfloat

I was also looking at a Ukulele as well as I think the school is starting … I was also looking at a Ukulele as well as I think the school is starting that now. A Mahalo one starts at about £16 is that OK? Not necessarily looking for the cheapest, I want something that is playable.



The Mahalo ones are pretty bad build quality. ( Strings take forever to stretch in and sound awrful)
I'd get a Makala for around £25-32 . They come with a bag, have better strings, better build quality.

Either way get one with GEARED tuners.

transmitthis

Looks to me like that same Argos guitar is on your recomended site, at … Looks to me like that same Argos guitar is on your recomended site, at £99.00http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product~name~Takamine-Jasmine-S35-Acoustic-Guitar~ID~16956.asp



Urm, thats a completely different guitar by a completely different company.

For what its worth Takamine are a well respected brand that make some very expensive, high end instruments.

Milkfloat

Can any of you make a recommendation for guitar for a 6 year old - I know … Can any of you make a recommendation for guitar for a 6 year old - I know nothing about them (except the opening chords to Enter Sandman), she seems keen but I don't want to waste money. I assume something like this is ok http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yamaha-CS40-Size-Classical-Guitar/dp/B00127UQOA I just need to get it under £50 now.



Aria, Admira or Jose Ferrer all make decent entry level 1/2 size guitars suitable for age 6 ish

These look and sound beautiful, have a look around to see if you can find it cheaper though
westmount-music.co.uk/ari…asp

Edited by: "ijw0161" 7th Nov 2012

transmitthis

Looks to me like that same Argos guitar is on your recomended site, at … Looks to me like that same Argos guitar is on your recomended site, at £99.00http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product~name~Takamine-Jasmine-S35-Acoustic-Guitar~ID~16956.aspSo... well take that how you will.I do agree that you should spend a little more though, as it can be recouped when selling again, if not continued with,



I take it with a smile, as this post has made you look silly. I wouldn't pay £5 for a 2nd hand Elevation, good luck recouping the costs!

If I was in the market for a budget acoustic guitar it would without a doubt be a Yamaha. I haven't played a bad one yet and they can be had for under 100. They are incredibly consistent for the price.

If you're after a guitar for a child you absolutely want to make it as easy as possible initially as much for you as them. The sooner they get to playing something vaguely recognisable rather than making an hour long cacophony of noise the better.

Yeh as mentioned Yamaha and Aria are good. I was looking at getting myself a Yamaha cousey. My first guitar was a Dean electric. I got it with a practice amp. It was awful. Buzzy frets constantly going out of tune but I just wanted to play. Kids may want to keep it up but may not. So I wouldn't risk forking out lots of wonga. When I got better I then payed out for a £400 guitar which I play now. I still have the practice amp but I tend to use Amplitube through my PC now and use a mates amp at rehearsel studios and gigs.

Have to chime in and say get a 2nd hand acoustic or a Yamaha as well.

I learned (almost 10 years ago) on a terrible acoustic which I played until my fingers were in shreds. Almost gave up until I got my first cheap-ish electric and it totally renewed my interest; it was making actual notes and not needing retuned at least once a day!

If I had stuck with that nasty acoustic, I would have quit long ago.

Edited by: "jaybear88" 7th Nov 2012

Darwa

[quote=markdarwen]If you want to stop your lad learning then buy a cheap … [quote=markdarwen]If you want to stop your lad learning then buy a cheap guitar. don't waste your money on an unplayable instrument

The phrase 'a good workman never blames his tools' springs to mind.quote]

No need for personal attacks, help yourself to big cup of STFU

slamdunkin

Absolute bull....Ignore this poster and read the reviews from people that … Absolute bull....Ignore this poster and read the reviews from people that actually own it.



If i follow your logic then merely making a purchase gives me the ability to write an accurate review, i could buy a ferrari but i am no way knowledgeable enough to write a credible review of the car.

Have a big cup of STFU idiot
Edited by: "markdarwen" 7th Nov 2012

now im on my pc instead of my tablet i can be bothered to type some. Spongebob, my first guitar was an Electric Epiphone Strat copy and although it looked lovely it was utter rubbish, it wouldnt stay in tune for more than 5 mins and did hinder my learning. I would agree with other posters about the yamaha guitars, thing to realise is that these cheap guitars are slung together at breakneck speed so it is very much luck of the draw as to what you end up with, my first accoustic was a Lyon made by Washburn which cost me £48 it was better than other guitars 5 times the price but that was merely luck.

The reason i bothered to post initially was to try and help you get something so that your lad would stick at it, other posters have made to comment that its hard enough initially without having to keep retuning.

to make a proper recommendation you really need to know, how old your lad is, what type of music is he into etc etc, it may be that an accoustic isn't the way to go, perhaps an electric would be better (dont forget that electric guitar enables headphones to be used for your sanity)

I hope you manage to get him sorted and that he sticks at it, Its a brilliant thing for you to do for him. good luck

Original Poster

cheers for the advice and comments, the car analogy is probably a good one, do you buy a learner driver a brand new kia picanto for 7000 or something used and generally considered better for the money. My lad is 11, no real taste in music, but a willingness to learn how to play. I appreciate people taking the time to post, there are always going to be different opinions, personally i shy away from getting too shirty with people.

markdarwen

now im on my pc instead of my tablet i can be bothered to type some. … now im on my pc instead of my tablet i can be bothered to type some. Spongebob, my first guitar was an Electric Epiphone Strat copy and although it looked lovely it was utter rubbish, it wouldnt stay in tune for more than 5 mins and did hinder my learning. I would agree with other posters about the yamaha guitars, thing to realise is that these cheap guitars are slung together at breakneck speed so it is very much luck of the draw as to what you end up with, my first accoustic was a Lyon made by Washburn which cost me £48 it was better than other guitars 5 times the price but that was merely luck.The reason i bothered to post initially was to try and help you get something so that your lad would stick at it, other posters have made to comment that its hard enough initially without having to keep retuning.to make a proper recommendation you really need to know, how old your lad is, what type of music is he into etc etc, it may be that an accoustic isn't the way to go, perhaps an electric would be better (dont forget that electric guitar enables headphones to be used for your sanity)I hope you manage to get him sorted and that he sticks at it, Its a brilliant thing for you to do for him. good luck


What are you talking about? No one should start on an electric. Starting on an acoustic is pretty important for a number of reasons. The leap in advancement from progressing from acoustic to electric is massive. Strong fingers, mastery of the instrument and not sodding about with all of the options the amp and guitar give you. Sticking headphones on and noodling away isn't a good start at all, it's too much to take in.

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