Energenie MiHome Smart Double Wall Socket was £29.99 now £23.93 @ Amazon
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Energenie MiHome Smart Double Wall Socket was £29.99 now £23.93 @ Amazon

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Found 17th Dec 2017
I've been looking for decent clutter-free alternative to the many plug-in wifi smart plugs available, I don't want to plug a plug into a plug then into a wall socket, so this looks like it'll do the job.

Works with Google Home & Alexa & IFTTT (if you use Hue lights, Google Home etc and you HAVEN'T investigated what you can do with IFTTT, have a look- it's really easy and quite fun), or via its own iOS or Android app.

Requires a gateway hub (Mi Gateway) to work, like most of these smart home gadgets. Once you have the MiHome gateway, you can also add light switches to control those lights that you can't replace with smart bulbs.



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This 13A double wall socket requires the Gateway to work, available separately.
A true whole-of house Smart Home system. Take control of heating, lighting and electrical devices from wherever you are through the user-friendly App or web portal. Pair the Gateway with your choice of electrical sockets, plug-in adapters, light switches and Smart Radiator valves. Start with as much or as little as you wish, the system is completely modular and can be built up over time to offer you the most flexibility. Set up takes less than one minute; simply download the App from iTunes or the Google Play store and follow the simple on-screen instructions. Once your gateway is active you can pair it with your devices to allow total dynamic control from wherever you are in the world. Optional energy monitors allow you to see real-time energy use for the whole of your house, but also right down to appliance level. Set timers and schedules for your heating, set security functions for your lights, and find out how much your tumble drier is costing you each time you use it.Add dynamic control with Geo fencing – automatically turn on your driveway lights when you are ¼ mile from home. Automatically switch off your heating when you leave your house. You can customise which devices to include in the Geo fencing control, and how far away you are when you want them to activate. Connect your devices to IFTTT [If This Then That] for true connected home functionality. Why not schedule your kitchen light to flash every time you are mentioned in a Tweet? Or switch on your greenhouse heater when the local weather service predicts a frost? Even your kettle can be told to turn on automatically when you have an iCal or Outlook event in your diary. Your imagination is the only limit…..
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I like it , permanent job rather than the lazy fire risk plug in plug , good price.

I’m commenting on the sockets here not what it needs to work ie. car lease on here ,,,, cars need fuel,,,, washing machines need wash powder ,,,,, these need hub (so buy one then)
How is this better than a plug in plug like TP Link? The tp link can be plugged in to any socket in your home and anywhere else that has WiFi.

These are not portable so you would need to replace your original non smart socket which is another cost. In fact, to make this work you would need to replace several sockets in your home.

You also need a hub which is another cost on top.

So, in summary: you have to change several sockets in your home and buy a hub and then hope it works? Not to mention all the negative reviews.
Edited by: "maxamus007" 17th Dec 2017
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I thought you needed to buy the Energenie gateway to make this work which is another fifty three quid
gazdoubleu10 m ago

I thought you needed to buy the Energenie gateway to make this work which …I thought you needed to buy the Energenie gateway to make this work which is another fifty three quid


Yep, it's in the post - "Requires a gateway hub (Mi Gateway) to work,". All of these things typically need some sort of hub, Hue lights need the bridge etc...

Actually you can get it for £49.99 here, includes 3x smart wall plugs plus a physical remote control.
Edited by: "ScroopEgerton" 17th Dec 2017
Hi. This need a hub. It's not WiFi. Needs to be hardwired to your hub. Good kit however. I have them
ScroopEgerton10 m ago

Yep, it's in the post - "Requires a gateway hub (Mi Gateway) to work,". …Yep, it's in the post - "Requires a gateway hub (Mi Gateway) to work,". All of these things typically need some sort of hub, Hue lights need the bridge etc...Actually you can get it for £49.99 here, includes 3x smart wall plugs plus a physical remote control.



Nope.
I think I'd rather "plug into a plug" to save £50 as lots of plug in ones that don't need a hub.
I like it , permanent job rather than the lazy fire risk plug in plug , good price.

I’m commenting on the sockets here not what it needs to work ie. car lease on here ,,,, cars need fuel,,,, washing machines need wash powder ,,,,, these need hub (so buy one then)
trickytree198418 m ago

Hi. This need a hub. It's not WiFi. Needs to be hardwired to your hub. …Hi. This need a hub. It's not WiFi. Needs to be hardwired to your hub. Good kit however. I have them


Cheers. I've taken "wifi controlled" out of the title, if it suggests it's a standalone product.
Hardwired to the hub though..? It does need a hub, but its connection to the hub is wireless, right?
The hub is hardwired to the router.
This might be more cost effective if you gotta buy the hub and want more sockets. screwfix.com/p/energenie-mihome-socket-bundle-nickel/1232R?kpid=1232R&ds_rl=1248181&ds_rl=1245250&ds_rl=1249484&gclid=CjwKCAiApdPRBRAdEiwA84bo3-87mVKOZluEOaPgmSxHoXvQSo8e2FQJt6FAIMMW4ENkyyyN8XwEFhoC54cQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CMXnwpDHkNgCFcGNGwodI-EJlA


Also in Stainless (same price)

Extra nickel sockets are about £33 on eBay (cheaper than screwfix)
Edited by: "gazdoubleu" 17th Dec 2017
ScroopEgerton8 m ago

Cheers. I've taken "wifi controlled" out of the title, if it suggests it's …Cheers. I've taken "wifi controlled" out of the title, if it suggests it's a standalone product.Hardwired to the hub though..? It does need a hub, but its connection to the hub is wireless, right?The hub is hardwired to the router.


32779968-agV3y.jpgNope. Wired. If you ask me wired is better. It also powers off usb mini, which is great as it's just powered off the usb port on my router.
joules99913 m ago

I like it , permanent job rather than the lazy fire risk plug in plug , …I like it , permanent job rather than the lazy fire risk plug in plug , good price. I’m commenting on the sockets here not what it needs to work ie. car lease on here ,,,, cars need fuel,,,, washing machines need wash powder ,,,,, these need hub (so buy one then)


Love it!
trickytree19844 m ago

[Image] Nope. Wired. If you ask me wired is better. It also powers off usb …[Image] Nope. Wired. If you ask me wired is better. It also powers off usb mini, which is great as it's just powered off the usb port on my router.


That's the gateway though, not the socket. I think we've got our wires crossed (ho ho!).

So your original comment was that the HUB needs to be hardwired.. I misunderstood, it reads as though the socket in the deal needs to be hardwired.
I'm all for plugging stuff into the router. I get so much better Netflix now Apple TV goes into the router, than via the TV hub which is Wifi.
Edited by: "ScroopEgerton" 17th Dec 2017
You can also get the hub with a three pack of these for £100. Have the light switches, rad valves, PIR, Door/window sensors and the plug in sockets works well without killing router with overloading devices feeding off the WiFi signal. amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B019IBT8J0/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp_1 also works with Alexa and I'd guess Google? (check if you are a Google home user)
Edited by: "0dd8a11" 17th Dec 2017
ScroopEgerton35 m ago

That's the gateway though, not the socket. I think we've got our wires …That's the gateway though, not the socket. I think we've got our wires crossed (ho ho!). So your original comment was that the HUB needs to be hardwired.. I misunderstood, it reads as though the socket in the deal needs to be hardwired.I'm all for plugging stuff into the router. I get so much better Netflix now Apple TV goes into the router, than via the TV hub which is Wifi.


Sorry. Yeah the gateway it's wired. The socket works to the gateway over 433mhz. Similar to lightwave RF. It's better than having WiFi in each device and the range is better than ZigBee or zwave
Edited by: "trickytree1984" 17th Dec 2017
If you have echo plus do you still need a gateway or will he plus built in hub take care of it.
Honestly save your money. The gateway is glitchy and its not worth the money. The worst smart product in the market by far. Alexa it constantly saying thet the chosen device is not responding.
Prefer Lightwaverf stuff to this. Tried the Energenie stuff and found it unreliable. Ended up returning it and spending more to get Lightwaverf stuff.

Just a shame that gen 2 Lightwaverf stuff is so pricey.
Cold, closed API and it's between extremely complicated to impossible to integrate this with existing home automation systems
They are alway this price! Where is the deal?
Inbuilt USB in sockets just took off, so I'm holding off until smart plugs start having inbuild USB ports to save money of changing them later
How is this better than a plug in plug like TP Link? The tp link can be plugged in to any socket in your home and anywhere else that has WiFi.

These are not portable so you would need to replace your original non smart socket which is another cost. In fact, to make this work you would need to replace several sockets in your home.

You also need a hub which is another cost on top.

So, in summary: you have to change several sockets in your home and buy a hub and then hope it works? Not to mention all the negative reviews.
Edited by: "maxamus007" 17th Dec 2017
maxamus00718 m ago

How is this better than a plug in plug like TP Link? The tp link can be …How is this better than a plug in plug like TP Link? The tp link can be plugged in to any socket in your home and anywhere else that has WiFi.These are not portable so you would need to replace your original non smart socket which is another cost. In fact, to make this work you would need to replace several sockets in your home.You also need a hub which is another cost on top.So, in summary: you have to change several sockets in your home and buy a hub and then hope it works? Not to mention all the negative reviews.


Yes... this should be freezing cold.
maxamus00728 m ago

How is this better than a plug in plug like TP Link? The tp link can be …How is this better than a plug in plug like TP Link? The tp link can be plugged in to any socket in your home and anywhere else that has WiFi.These are not portable so you would need to replace your original non smart socket which is another cost. In fact, to make this work you would need to replace several sockets in your home.You also need a hub which is another cost on top.So, in summary: you have to change several sockets in your home and buy a hub and then hope it works? Not to mention all the negative reviews.


Because with a plug in a plug there is a possibility that it can blow, just like a normal extension lead, it's rare but it does happen, there have recently been quite a few reports lately of the plug in a plug blowing, not just the cheap ones, but also TP Link ones as well, I would always get the Lightwaverf over the portable ones every time, more expensive yes, but safer, I would always choose safety over price.
chelseablue8 m ago

Because with a plug in a plug there is a possibility that it can blow, …Because with a plug in a plug there is a possibility that it can blow, just like a normal extension lead, it's rare but it does happen, there have recently been quite a few reports lately of the plug in a plug blowing, not just the cheap ones, but also TP Link ones as well, I would always get the Lightwaverf over the portable ones every time, more expensive yes, but safer, I would always choose safety over price.


lightwaverfcommunity.org.uk/for…in/

Plenty of reports of the lightwave sockets blowing on their own forums. They are no safer than any other product.
Edited by: "maxamus007" 17th Dec 2017
maxamus0076 m ago

http://lightwaverfcommunity.org.uk/forums/topic/lightwave-rf-2-gang-socket-just-blowndied-again/Plenty of reports of the lightwave sockets blowing on their own forums. They are no safer than any other product.


So going by the forum comments for these, they break if you use a hair drier or a vacuum with it. Wow. And these are supposed to be safe? How has this deal reached 200 degrees?!
maxamus00730 m ago

http://lightwaverfcommunity.org.uk/forums/topic/lightwave-rf-2-gang-socket-just-blowndied-again/Plenty of reports of the lightwave sockets blowing on their own forums. They are no safer than any other product.


I've fitted well over 500 and never had a comeback, I've even fitted over 60 in my own home, plus once fitted they should be properly tested by an electrician, it's not a case of simply swapping them out, you need to check that they don't overload the ring or the radials that they are on, they may blow probably because people have added a radial on a radial off a ring without a fuse, happens a lot, seen it a lot.
Edited by: "chelseablue" 17th Dec 2017
Bit Off topic, but a captive audience of the right people, so "have any of these types of switch evolved to enable non neutral 2-gang or intermediate switching of lights? with or without dimmer capability??"

I was all over lightwaveRf when it first arrived until I needed a neutral

I need some solutions for non standard Lamps having ornate multi-lamp halogen low voltage lamps in virtually every room.
maxamus0072 h, 54 m ago

How is this better than a plug in plug like TP Link? The tp link can be …How is this better than a plug in plug like TP Link? The tp link can be plugged in to any socket in your home and anywhere else that has WiFi.These are not portable so you would need to replace your original non smart socket which is another cost. In fact, to make this work you would need to replace several sockets in your home.You also need a hub which is another cost on top.So, in summary: you have to change several sockets in your home and buy a hub and then hope it works? Not to mention all the negative reviews.



It’s a cleaner look if your plug is exposed. If it’s hidden out of view behind a sofa etc. then a plug in one is more convenient sure, but these certainly have their place.
chelseablue3 h, 25 m ago

I've fitted well over 500 and never had a comeback, I've even fitted over …I've fitted well over 500 and never had a comeback, I've even fitted over 60 in my own home, plus once fitted they should be properly tested by an electrician, it's not a case of simply swapping them out, you need to check that they don't overload the ring or the radials that they are on, they may blow probably because people have added a radial on a radial off a ring without a fuse, happens a lot, seen it a lot.


60 in your own home how big is your house that's some serious outlay
steveomatic12 m ago

60 in your own home how big is your house that's some serious …60 in your own home how big is your house that's some serious outlay


It's a 6 bedroom house, and about 250 metres square, that's the reason for so many sockets, but I'm also an electrician so get about 50% discount on the sockets compared to shop prices, so the outlay isn't that bad.
Edited by: "chelseablue" 17th Dec 2017
IWANTBLUE2 h, 8 m ago

Bit Off topic, but a captive audience of the right people, so "have any of …Bit Off topic, but a captive audience of the right people, so "have any of these types of switch evolved to enable non neutral 2-gang or intermediate switching of lights? with or without dimmer capability??" I was all over lightwaveRf when it first arrived until I needed a neutral I need some solutions for non standard Lamps having ornate multi-lamp halogen low voltage lamps in virtually every room.


I looked into this recently.. The problem with the UK 2 wire setup is that you need to allow a small amount of current to loop through the system when switch is off - so that the RF receiver hardware is still powered. I'm not sure if there is anything available because of this. Even if there was, a key limitation is that it would only work with dimmable bulbs. I personally don't like the idea of a bulb socket always having current go through it, even when off.

You could go down the route of a wireless device fitted in the bulb socket (plenty on the market). I don't like these personally as the switch can override everything. To get round this you'd need to wire your light permanently on, and replace the switch with a battery operated RF switch.

The only practical non-battery solution I've seen is something fitted where the lighting loop in the room starts (might be called a relay; can't remember). This requires getting to places that are difficult to access - such ceiling voids etc. You then replace your wall switch with a momentary push type. When I next need to pull up floorboards in my house I'll see if this is going to be easy enough to do!

Note - I'm no expert and don't pretend to be, just passing on my findings.
Edited by: "StormB" 17th Dec 2017
chelseablue35 m ago

It's a 6 bedroom house, and about 250 metres square, that's the reason for …It's a 6 bedroom house, and about 250 metres square, that's the reason for so many sockets, but I'm also an electrician so get about 50% discount on the sockets compared to shop prices, so the outlay isn't that bad.


How have you found the electricity cost implications on this as every socket will effectively always be eating some current now for the reciever?
steveomatic37 m ago

How have you found the electricity cost implications on this as every …How have you found the electricity cost implications on this as every socket will effectively always be eating some current now for the reciever?


Not every socket in my house is in use at once, the ones not in use are switched off like a normal socket and draw no power to them, it can operate exactly as a normal socket, but when I tested it, it was less than 1w.
IWANTBLUE5 h, 28 m ago

Bit Off topic, but a captive audience of the right people, so "have any of …Bit Off topic, but a captive audience of the right people, so "have any of these types of switch evolved to enable non neutral 2-gang or intermediate switching of lights? with or without dimmer capability??" I was all over lightwaveRf when it first arrived until I needed a neutral I need some solutions for non standard Lamps having ornate multi-lamp halogen low voltage lamps in virtually every room.


But lightwave is the one system that doesn't require a neutral... Unfortunately it is also one-way and 433 MHz rather than the more reliable ZigBee and zwave systems (even WiFi is more reliable IMO). And quite expensive on a per switch basis.

The other option is to go with zwave dimmers/relays like aeon and... sorry can't remember the other brand. They are also quite expensive but you can fit them at the light fitting with permanent live and use the original switched live (hence wall switch) as a soft toggle. Great if you have a ton of bulbs connected in sequence as is common for GU10s in the kitchen.
That's a smart socket.
StormB17th Dec

I looked into this recently.. The problem with the UK 2 wire setup is that …I looked into this recently.. The problem with the UK 2 wire setup is that you need to allow a small amount of current to loop through the system when switch is off - so that the RF receiver hardware is still powered. I'm not sure if there is anything available because of this. Even if there was, a key limitation is that it would only work with dimmable bulbs. I personally don't like the idea of a bulb socket always having current go through it, even when off.You could go down the route of a wireless device fitted in the bulb socket (plenty on the market). I don't like these personally as the switch can override everything. To get round this you'd need to wire your light permanently on, and replace the switch with a battery operated RF switch.The only practical non-battery solution I've seen is something fitted where the lighting loop in the room starts (might be called a relay; can't remember). This requires getting to places that are difficult to access - such ceiling voids etc. You then replace your wall switch with a momentary push type. When I next need to pull up floorboards in my house I'll see if this is going to be easy enough to do!Note - I'm no expert and don't pretend to be, just passing on my findings.


Have you seen the guy making replacement light switches for the hue switches, they can fit over or replace the switch?

m.ebay.co.uk/itm…612
I'd like these, but apart from the odd lamp that I switch on and off a couple of times a day, I can't think of any financially justifiable use for it.
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