EQ-3 Max Wireless Radiator system Valves £24.99 Thermostats £26 @ Conrad Electronic UK
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EQ-3 Max Wireless Radiator system Valves £24.99 Thermostats £26 @ Conrad Electronic UK

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Found 6th Mar 2014
I have just installed EQ-Max a German system, works great and better than any of these so called automated systems. This system allows you to change your Danfoss (or other makes) automated valves for their wireless ones, install separate thermostats in each room, install wireless window contacts that tell the system when someone has opened a window in a room and shut down the radiators in that room. The whole system is linked to a Network box plugged into the router and a PC (the PC does not need to be left on) I can control each room from my Iphone, my wifes iphone or from any PC in the world. When one of the kids is away at a friends I can simply switch off that rooms radiators NOT expensive! Each typical room costs £68 for 1 valve, 1 Thermostat and 1 Window sensor. The Network LAN gateway box is just £43 to control the whole system. Although the winter has been mild I am saving up to 40% a month on Gas use.

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Sounds interesting but how often do your need to replace the batteries on the valves?

Great pitch / deal . However, I missed the Remington advert sentence....I love the product so much I bought the company lol

Heated!

Great stuff! Gas is soo bloody expensive, for me it's double my electricity bill!

Can this system be wired to the boiler to turn it off when none of the radiators need heating?

I have also recently installed these though I needed adapters from a company in Luton to convert my radiator valves to fit these. Conrad do supply them but they are around £9 each whereas I paid about £3 each. Batteries last over a year and come supplied with Duracell's. You actually don't need the thermostat in each room unless you want to see the temperature. The valves have everything in them but don't display the actual room temperature. I also didnt bother with the window sensors, so each room cost me about £26-£30. You can also get a switch so that when you leave the property you can turn all radiators down to a holiday setting. One slight drawback is that these are designed for the european market so the displays are upside down if mounted at the bottom of the radiator as is traditional in the UK. Another advantage is that these open and close the valves several times a day so prevents them from sticking during non-use in summer. You can hear them opening and closing as the motor works but it isn't too noisy. Only other thing is I managed to find a Conrad discount code so got a few quid extra off and they do occasionally have them on offer.

They come very well packed, complete with batteries and instruction and some adapters.

And finally, no at present you cannot control the boiler from them, so that is a bit of a disappointment.

squizzle

Can this system be wired to the boiler to turn it off when none of the … Can this system be wired to the boiler to turn it off when none of the radiators need heating?

that's called a thermostat ;-)


carlos1985

that's called a thermostat ;-)



Indeed but I know what he means. If the main room where the boiler thermostat is located is warm enough (because you should not have TRV's in this room), then the boiler will turn off even though the other rooms may be cold. Ideally you want the system to know if any room has a demand for heat and keep the boiler running until it is satisfied, which of course would mean putting radiator valves in the main room, removing the thermostat and controlling the boiler via this system. Probably a bit risky imho in case you lost the router for some reason and come hone to a sauna.

Good idea...BUT... they look bloody awful!

http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/medias/global/ce/5000_5999/5600/5600/5608/560897_AB_00_FB.EPS_1000.jpg

david.brownjohn@

I have also recently installed these though I needed adapters from a … I have also recently installed these though I needed adapters from a company in Luton to convert my radiator valves to fit these. Conrad do supply them but they are around £9 each whereas I paid about £3 each. Batteries last over a year and come supplied with Duracell's. You actually don't need the thermostat in each room unless you want to see the temperature. The valves have everything in them but don't display the actual room temperature. I also didnt bother with the window sensors, so each room cost me about £26-£30. You can also get a switch so that when you leave the property you can turn all radiators down to a holiday setting. One slight drawback is that these are designed for the european market so the displays are upside down if mounted at the bottom of the radiator as is traditional in the UK. Another advantage is that these open and close the valves several times a day so prevents them from sticking during non-use in summer. You can hear them opening and closing as the motor works but it isn't too noisy. Only other thing is I managed to find a Conrad discount code so got a few quid extra off and they do occasionally have them on offer. They come very well packed, complete with batteries and instruction and some adapters.And finally, no at present you cannot control the boiler from them, so that is a bit of a disappointment.



would you care to share where you got the £3 adapters from? Thanks

£10 off code for orders over £75 'womensday1' from 7 March to 10 March.

This one is £10.77 at Amazon. No pc/iPhone control though amazon.co.uk/gp/…-21

Be aware that your system will need a by-pass to avoid dead heading the pump (as with all thermostatic heads)

How do you control the TRVs from your phone - does involve port forwarding and all the pain that goes with it or is it a proper easy to implement system that does require a degree in computer science.

I ask because have installed a wifi tstat which required fixed IP and Port forwarding and it was a pain to set up and dropped out so much I just use as a conventional tstat.

Shame you have to buy an extra box to control the valves, as it would be quite nice if the hooked up wireless to 2.4ghz and controlled from my NAS. Nice concept and product though- impressed they have kept the prices nice an low to make it affordable, it's all too common to see these home automation companies go silly with pricing!

philipgregson58

Be aware that your system will need a by-pass to avoid dead heading the … Be aware that your system will need a by-pass to avoid dead heading the pump (as with all thermostatic heads)



I don't know much about heating systems, but isn't leaving the bathroom radiator on 24/7 the bypass you need (then have the boiler on a timer)?

I know some computer network based versions of these have been able to report back their status to a central switch that acts as an interlock on turning off the boiler - lightwaverf I think...

haccor

Shame you have to buy an extra box to control the valves, as it would be … Shame you have to buy an extra box to control the valves, as it would be quite nice if the hooked up wireless to 2.4ghz and controlled from my NAS. Nice concept and product though- impressed they have kept the prices nice an low to make it affordable, it's all too common to see these home automation companies go silly with pricing!



Sorry but that's a bit fanciful - your NAS, presumably, has no way of communicating at 2.4Ghz - the extra box is what adds that capability. You can build your own circuits (using Arduino or other cheap electronics kit) to do this but then need to run your own software.

One question

david.brownjohn@

You actually don't need the thermostat in each room unless you want to … You actually don't need the thermostat in each room unless you want to see the temperature



Surely you need the thermostat so the heat sensor isn't physically attached to the radiator - I guess it would be very prone to air currents in the room which would be much reduced by positioning the sensor across the room.

mann242

How do you control the TRVs from your phone - does involve port … How do you control the TRVs from your phone - does involve port forwarding and all the pain that goes with it or is it a proper easy to implement system that does require a degree in computer science. I ask because have installed a wifi tstat which required fixed IP and Port forwarding and it was a pain to set up and dropped out so much I just use as a conventional tstat.



This uses a remote service to manage communication to and from the network box - hence the setup will be trivial and simple. However, the subscription to that service is only for 2 years - not clear what the ongoing subscription cost would be then? Also, if the company shuts down - you lose the functionality.

Kallisti

Sorry but that's a bit fanciful - your NAS, presumably, has no way of … Sorry but that's a bit fanciful - your NAS, presumably, has no way of communicating at 2.4Ghz - the extra box is what adds that capability. You can build your own circuits (using Arduino or other cheap electronics kit) to do this but then need to run your own software.



Fair enough. I just assumed a cheapo WiFi USB stick may be able to do the trick, but have done a little more research and I agree, I completely misunderstood how these things work, so cheers for the heads up. Should have been clearer and said my NAS isn't actually a NAS, but a HP Microserver.

When you say build your own circuits to control, do you mean something like this?

uk-automation.co.uk/pro…tml

Also, can you recommend any software? This looks like a reasonable option, but if you have any first hand recommendations for software/different radiator thermostats that would be very useful :-)

domotiga.nl/pro…ots
Edited by: "haccor" 7th Mar 2014

I've recently had a hive system fitted by British Gas I can control the complete system, boiler,hot water and radiators via my Samsung S3 from any location. Cost £200 complete and I can check and set the room temperature

philipgregson58

Be aware that your system will need a by-pass to avoid dead heading the … Be aware that your system will need a by-pass to avoid dead heading the pump (as with all thermostatic heads)


Most modern system boilers and combi boilers have bypasses built in them.

m29

I've recently had a hive system fitted by British Gas I can control the … I've recently had a hive system fitted by British Gas I can control the complete system, boiler,hot water and radiators via my Samsung S3 from any location. Cost £200 complete and I can check and set the room temperature



But how much money does it save?
I looked into it and it's pretty much useless at saving money.

m29

I've recently had a hive system fitted by British Gas I can control the … I've recently had a hive system fitted by British Gas I can control the complete system, boiler,hot water and radiators via my Samsung S3 from any location. Cost £200 complete and I can check and set the room temperature


Can you control each room separately?

kwh

Can you control each room separately?


For £200, you know the answer is no. :-)

can you control this locally(eg without the control box) or do you need the next model up (This one ) to do that?
Edited by: "phead" 7th Mar 2014

I love the idea of wireless communication though the reality is horrible. I live in an old house, wireless is a major pita!
Quoted ranges are incredibly optimistic in my experience.

Kallisti

I don't know much about heating systems, but isn't leaving the bathroom … I don't know much about heating systems, but isn't leaving the bathroom radiator on 24/7 the bypass you need (then have the boiler on a timer)?I know some computer network based versions of these have been able to report back their status to a central switch that acts as an interlock on turning off the boiler - lightwaverf I think...



Depends, some older systems are fed by the hot water loop, and the by-pass/passes, need to be able to take the flow generated by your pump. can result in burned out pump due to overheating.

Kallisti

One question Surely you need the thermostat so the heat sensor isn't … One question Surely you need the thermostat so the heat sensor isn't physically attached to the radiator - I guess it would be very prone to air currents in the room which would be much reduced by positioning the sensor across the room.



you're right, each room needs a thermostat (which can control up to 8 rads in a room or zone). if the thermostat is elsewhere then the measured temperature is different to the room being controlled! original poster seems to think the trv has a thermostat and just reports the temp to the controller, the opposite being the case.

tapi

you're right, each room needs a thermostat (which can control up to 8 … you're right, each room needs a thermostat (which can control up to 8 rads in a room or zone). if the thermostat is elsewhere then the measured temperature is different to the room being controlled! original poster seems to think the trv has a thermostat and just reports the temp to the controller, the opposite being the case.


So you only need one of these gadgets per room, not per radiator? Or have I completely missed the point lol

My radiator thermostat is stuck behind a curtain,so the setting of it is difficult.

Would this solve my problem? or is the temperature still monitored at that point? ie on the end of the radiator?

kwh

So you only need one of these gadgets per room, not per radiator? Or have … So you only need one of these gadgets per room, not per radiator? Or have I completely missed the point lol



one valve per radiator
one thermostat per room (or group of radiators, if you wanted a zone i.e two bedrooms and landing to have same schedule and temp)
one window sensor per window - optional (or just on chosen main windows)
one lan gateway per house - optional, for central control

m29

I've recently had a hive system fitted by British Gas I can control the … I've recently had a hive system fitted by British Gas I can control the complete system, boiler,hot water and radiators via my Samsung S3 from any location. Cost £200 complete and I can check and set the room temperature



After you had this fitted, did you 'go for a kickabout with a team of giant trout', or 'start making origami, with a slice of beef pastrami'? I'm just intrigued, as I havent found anyone who has done these things since having Hive fitted, and I need to know if it is going to be worth the money. Anyway, I can't stand around here, as I have to take my parrots to Milan, even though I have absolutely no idea or plan.

I do like the look of Hive actually, even if the TV advert does drive me nuts.

But not as much as 'Anything for you cupcake'

m29

I've recently had a hive system fitted by British Gas I can control the … I've recently had a hive system fitted by British Gas I can control the complete system, boiler,hot water and radiators via my Samsung S3 from any location. Cost £200 complete and I can check and set the room temperature



Hive is only applicable for a single central thermostat isn't it? Or is that another BG offering?

Not knocking this deal as it might be useful for some....but isn't it easier and healthier to get up and just physically turn the thermostatic valve down or off, or indeed use the timer to control the whole system.

In our house, it's false economy to turn the heating totally off, or an individual radiator off anyway. It makes more sense to just lower the temperature at night or when nipping out, as otherwise it just uses more gas to heat the house from freezing.

Not voting either way though.
Edited by: "SoggyBeans" 7th Mar 2014

david.brownjohn@

Indeed but I know what he means. If the main room where the boiler … Indeed but I know what he means. If the main room where the boiler thermostat is located is warm enough (because you should not have TRV's in this room), then the boiler will turn off even though the other rooms may be cold. Ideally you want the system to know if any room has a demand for heat and keep the boiler running until it is satisfied, which of course would mean putting radiator valves in the main room, removing the thermostat and controlling the boiler via this system. Probably a bit risky imho in case you lost the router for some reason and come hone to a sauna.



I have the thermostat in the lounge in my apartment which has kitchen on one side and next doors lounge on other so its warm. But the bedroom has an external wall. This means bedrooms freezing cold when the lounge is nice and cozy. If it was my property then I would've sorted a multizone thermostat system. I'm also thinking of the nest system for my new place [img]community.futureshop.ca/t5/…nal?v=mpbl-1&px=-1[/img]

phead

can you control this locally(eg without the control box) or do you need … can you control this locally(eg without the control box) or do you need the next model up (This one ) to do that?



Although it's hard to tell from the description - I think the next model up just adds a local timer - you can set it to be "always off" at some times of the day and on thermostat at others.

Both models should do the basic "maintain the valve to heat the room" functionality completely locally. Adding a thermostat for a room or zone should improve that. Adding a network unit gives you full remote control.

welsh_fella

My radiator thermostat is stuck behind a curtain,so the setting of it is … My radiator thermostat is stuck behind a curtain,so the setting of it is difficult.Would this solve my problem? or is the temperature still monitored at that point? ie on the end of the radiator?



with the room thermostat, the temp is monitored wherever that is placed, not at the valve.

there's a description of the system here automatedhome.co.uk/har…tml


and for those asking about boiler control, the eq system doesn't have this but conrad do sell an alternative system that does at a similar price (rad valve, thermostat and window sensor kit for £68) conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/…ols

boiler control - conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/…ail

i just added 6 thermostats and the cube box: almost £200
wondering if Hive for same price is a better option

any opinions?

ourdevonfamily

Good idea...BUT... they look bloody awful!

can you do a quick hand drawn sketch of a nice design so we know what's nice please.

This is brilliant, moving into a hew house, I am trying to automate heading, lighting and curtains/blinds.

So for my house it would cost £350 for my setup - 8 wireless rad thermostats, the lan cube and then 4 thermostats for living room/dining room, Landing/bedrooms, kitchen and hallway.

But can someone confirm, do you need the wall thermostats, if you have them on the radiator as I am happy to control each room independently.
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