Focus Whistler2 3.9 2019 Electric Hardtail Mountain Bike Grey £749.99 delivered at Rutland Cycling (was £1299.99, then £899.99).
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Focus Whistler2 3.9 2019 Electric Hardtail Mountain Bike Grey £749.99 delivered at Rutland Cycling (was £1299.99, then £899.99).

£749.99£1,299.9942%Rutland Cycling Deals
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Posted 9th OctEdited by:"Besford"
Previously posted at £899.99 (31% off) and heated to over 200 degrees, but now reduced by another £150!

Good spec. and now over 40% off this electric hardtail mountain/hybrid bike with hydraulic disc brakes. Three sizes of alloy frame (XL now sold out).

"Perfectly equipped for offroading, but add mudguards and racks and it's the perfect commuter. "

Information obtained directly from Rutland:
Battery is 36v 7Ah. Additional batteries available for £319.

  • Frame - 6062 aluminium, BSA BB, international disc brake standard
  • Fork - SR Suntour XCM RL, 9 mm QR
  • Number of Gears - 9
  • Shifters - Shimano Altus M2000
  • Chainset - Samox AF38
  • Chainrings - 34T
  • Cassette - 11-36
  • Chain - KMC X9
  • Rear Derailleur - Shimano Altus M2000
  • Bottom Bracket - BSA
  • Rims - Rodi Viper 21, 27" 584-21, 29" 622-21, Shimano TX-505 CL, 9 mm QR / 9 mm QR
  • Rear Hub - Groove Go, Nabenmotor
  • Front Tyre - 29": Schwalbe Rapid Rob 2.25; 27": Schwalbe Rapid Rob 2.25
  • Rear Tyre - 29": Schwalbe Rapid Rob 2.25; 27": Schwalbe Rapid Rob 2.25
  • Front Brake - Shimano BR-MT200, 180 mm
  • Rear Brake - Shimano BR-MT200, 160 mm
  • Handlebars - Sport Riser, aluminium, risebar, 700mm, rise: 20mm

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Can't understand why most bicycles are sold without pedals?

  • Pedals - Not included
vasya09/10/2019 15:40

Can't understand why most bicycles are sold without pedals?Pedals - Not …Can't understand why most bicycles are sold without pedals?Pedals - Not included


Because once you get beyond the most basic bike doing a few miles many/most riders will be using one of several clip-in pedal systems and will have their own preference as to which to use. Bikes could all come with flat pedals as the basic ones do but that would add a bit of cost and many riders will just take them off straight away.
wantsomepls09/10/2019 16:18

Because once you get beyond the most basic bike doing a few miles …Because once you get beyond the most basic bike doing a few miles many/most riders will be using one of several clip-in pedal systems and will have their own preference as to which to use. Bikes could all come with flat pedals as the basic ones do but that would add a bit of cost and many riders will just take them off straight away.


Or they will fit DMR style pedals, better grip than plastic junk they provide
Better build yourself a bike with a bafang engine
vasya09/10/2019 15:40

Can't understand why most bicycles are sold without pedals?Pedals - Not …Can't understand why most bicycles are sold without pedals?Pedals - Not included


Selling a bike with pedals is like selling a suit with shoes. They are a personal choice and the generic option is bad for everyone. Honestly I don't think bikes should be sold with saddles either!

On another note I think this is a legal thing, if a bike is sold without pedals, then it's not a complete bike. A complete bike must be sold with a bell and reflectors, and frankly the manufacturers don't want their beautiful sleek bike sullied by a bell and reflectors (which pretty universally look naff!)
Edited by: "Konrad_Newton" 9th Oct
Konrad_Newton09/10/2019 19:35

Selling a bike with pedals is like selling a suit with shoes. They are a …Selling a bike with pedals is like selling a suit with shoes. They are a personal choice and the generic option is bad for everyone. Honestly I don't think bikes should be sold with saddles either!On another note I think this is a legal thing, if a bike is sold without pedals, then it's not a complete bike. A complete bike must be sold with a bell and reflectors, and frankly the manufacturers don't want their beautiful sleek bike sullied by a bell and reflectors (which pretty universally look naff!)


i put the bell on my bike and used to ding it all the time till it fell off
Konrad_Newton09/10/2019 19:35

Selling a bike with pedals is like selling a suit with shoes. They are a …Selling a bike with pedals is like selling a suit with shoes. They are a personal choice and the generic option is bad for everyone. Honestly I don't think bikes should be sold with saddles either!On another note I think this is a legal thing, if a bike is sold without pedals, then it's not a complete bike. A complete bike must be sold with a bell and reflectors, and frankly the manufacturers don't want their beautiful sleek bike sullied by a bell and reflectors (which pretty universally look naff!)


I'd go as far as all contact points, saddle, pedals and grips. Especially when it means unwanted bits just get binned or gather dust in the shed. Same with the reflectors, better they aren't made and then just thrown away.
gu2gan09/10/2019 17:04

Better build yourself a bike with a bafang engine


At this price I'm not sure I could be bothered!
Konrad_Newton09/10/2019 19:35

Selling a bike with pedals is like selling a suit with shoes. They are a …Selling a bike with pedals is like selling a suit with shoes. They are a personal choice and the generic option is bad for everyone. Honestly I don't think bikes should be sold with saddles either!On another note I think this is a legal thing, if a bike is sold without pedals, then it's not a complete bike. A complete bike must be sold with a bell and reflectors, and frankly the manufacturers don't want their beautiful sleek bike sullied by a bell and reflectors (which pretty universally look naff!)



you think most people that buy bikes dont want the pedals, saddles included ?

i'd say that cheap bike manufacturers have conditioned this so as to get consumers to buy after market pedals saddles grips

when good bikes were first produced i reckon they had good saddles and pedals and grips

where will it end ? buying a car frame then just buy the rest in indivual parts to your specific requirement lol
Forget pedals, no pedals is this bike any good?? What kind of speed/ mileage do you get, is it heavy/ comfortable! Etc etc.
Damojb10/10/2019 02:22

Forget pedals, no pedals is this bike any good?? What kind of speed/ …Forget pedals, no pedals is this bike any good?? What kind of speed/ mileage do you get, is it heavy/ comfortable! Etc etc.

speed is always limited to 25kmh/16mph (unless stated otherwise) but can be derestricted easily, its around 22kg i think and gets yout about 25-40 miles on one charge
augustas10/10/2019 08:23

speed is always limited to 25kmh/16mph (unless stated otherwise) but can …speed is always limited to 25kmh/16mph (unless stated otherwise) but can be derestricted easily, its around 22kg i think and gets yout about 25-40 miles on one charge


Are you sure that this specific bike can be de-restricted?
ijwia10/10/2019 00:21

you think most people that buy bikes dont want the pedals, saddles …you think most people that buy bikes dont want the pedals, saddles included ?i'd say that cheap bike manufacturers have conditioned this so as to get consumers to buy after market pedals saddles gripswhen good bikes were first produced i reckon they had good saddles and pedals and gripswhere will it end ? buying a car frame then just buy the rest in indivual parts to your specific requirement lol


Once upon a time all you got was "one size fits all" and there was only one sort of pedals.

Also, for your second point, see the bewildering range of interior options in car brochures and the entire kit car industry!
It's been 700 for the past 8 days through a 50 pound off code. Shame they've binned it. Still not a bad price for an E bike regardless of spec and battery.
luke.chambers10/10/2019 11:27

It's been 700 for the past 8 days through a 50 pound off code. Shame …It's been 700 for the past 8 days through a 50 pound off code. Shame they've binned it. Still not a bad price for an E bike regardless of spec and battery.


But this is £150 off previous price (or was there another intermediate price of £799.99?).
Groove Go is just a rebranded bafang unit I believe so should have easy parts availability and decent spares pricing. Bafang do a lot of OEM work for hub & mid-mount motor manufacturers but this is purely a rebranded Bafang designed unit I believe. The frame won't be 6062 that must be a typo as I don't believe that is an aluminium used for bicycle frames most likely 6061.

I'm unsure if the hub motor is geared or direct drive but I think its only 25-30nm torque so I think that makes it more likely to be direct drive but unsure of this. I think a geared hub motor would deliver a bit more torque I would of thought but could be wrong.

Great price for what it is but it basically meets the minimum requirements of a real mountain bike and has a convenient hub motor system but you would achieve better value by getting a standard hardtail mountain bike and converting it to an e-bike yourself however I realise people want/like the convenience of a pre-configured bike and this will be great fun for a reasonable price. Remember though that bikes like the Carrera Subway e-bike have much better batteries and a more powerful hub motor so a little bit more money could provide a better e-bike for general purpose use.
ijwia10/10/2019 00:21

you think most people that buy bikes dont want the pedals, saddles …you think most people that buy bikes dont want the pedals, saddles included ?i'd say that cheap bike manufacturers have conditioned this so as to get consumers to buy after market pedals saddles gripswhen good bikes were first produced i reckon they had good saddles and pedals and gripswhere will it end ? buying a car frame then just buy the rest in indivual parts to your specific requirement lol


Above a certain point (say, £500) then unquestionably most people don't want pedals. The one exception might be on certain mountain bikes where, increasingly, riders are returning to flat pedals so, arguably, supplying a half-decent set of these might satisfy the requirements of many. But for most other bikes (touring, road, gravel etc.) then I would say that not supplying pedals is the correct way to do it. The same could arguably said for saddles, although I'm not quite as bothered about this and around half of my bikes are still running their original saddles as I've never been bothered to change them unless they are properly uncomfortable for me.

Source: the box in my garage full of cheap pedals from bikes that were supplied with pedals and were immediately removed and replaced with the ones I wanted to use.

Regarding your comment about buying a frame and the rest of the parts to suit. This is common in high-end bikes where people want to tailor the components to their specific requirements. No, it's not cheap to do (in fact, it's normally the most expensive way to buy a bike), but if you're spending lots of money, you might as well get exactly what you want! And for cars...companies like Khan, Overfinch, Hamann et al have been doing this for years on Range Rovers...if your pockets are deep enough!
This is the electric equivalent of a cheapish bike, say in the £300-£400 range. It should have a £5 set of pedals in the box.
Personally I can see a case for not providing pedals or supplying basic pedals with road bikes but seems a bit strange extended to mountain bikes where clipless is less common especially by beginners. The ability to bail from a bike immediately is all part of the learning process when taking a bike off road and performing jumps etc. In some markets pedals are always supplied but not so much Europe it seems. Local bike shops always like the option to sell additional products often with a higher margin. Considering the fact that the more you pay for a bike the less likely you are to get included pedals maybe in marketing terms not providing pedals on a lower end bike is hoped to be perceived as a higher end bike.

Focus is owned by Pon Holdings of the Netherlands who also own the Raleigh brand for bikes sold in mainland Europe where as Accell of the Netherlands own the Raleigh brand for use in the UK. My point is these companies are mainly importers and mostly use the cheapest factories they can find, sometimes the bikes are assembed in Europe from parts or sometimes the bikes are wholly imported. E-bikes tend to be assembled in Europe due to the high EU tariffs but the components are still imported. Judge a bike by what you are actually getting rather than the Brand. I've seen a Focus Whistler in a showroom on my travels, might have been my local TriUK dealership. Seemed overall well made, no better than the shop brands like Carrera, Calibre etc but not obviously worse either. I think Pon import better bikes than Accell for example. The Raleighs sold in mainland Europe are much better (and more expensive) than the poor Raleigh bikes we get in the UK. Accell have also supplied bikes to walmart in the USA and those have been mainly awful.
Battery is 36v 7Ah. Additional batteries available for £319.


thats a con, i made my own 36 v 8.7Ah battery for less than a hundred, i.e. Panasonic 2900mah 18650s are about 2.5 pounds (delivered) each and you need just 30, a BMS is only about 20 quid
Back to £899
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