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Causes of cardiovascular disease

While cardiovascular disease can refer to different heart or blood vessel problems, the term is often used to mean damage to your heart or blood vessels by atherosclerosis (ath-ur-o-skluh-ROE-sis), a buildup of fatty plaques in your arteries. Plaque buildup thickens and stiffens artery walls, which can inhibit blood flow through your arteries to your organs and tissues.

Atherosclerosis is also the most common cause of cardiovascular disease. It can be caused by correctable problems, such as an unhealthy diet, lack of exercise, being overweight and smoking.

dancedar

I'll just leave this here People with higher cholesterol levels live … I'll just leave this here People with higher cholesterol levels live longer than people with lower cholesterol levels.



Do you have any evidence that is not from some "Dodgy Website"

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p-e-t-e

Do you have any evidence that is not from some "Dodgy Website"



By Mayo Clinic based in Arizona. It contains a lot of info, hence why I did not post link.

mayoclinic.org/dis…056

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Also based in Florida and Minnesota.

p-e-t-e

Do you have any evidence that is not from some "Dodgy Website"


Yep. Pretty much every study ever done on it. Check the bmj or any meta analysis done in the last twenty years that hasn't been sponsored by Flora. There's a ton of great stuff if you can be bothered to look, one in Japan and one across the EU covering something like 300,000 people over decades. I'm sure the Flore website is great to base your health on though

m.phys.org/new…tml
drbriffa.com/201…an/
telegraph.co.uk/new…tml easy read if you're not journal minded
Edited by: "dancedar" 18th Aug 2015

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Heart UK The Cholesterol Charity agree.

heartuk.org.uk/


dancedar

Yep. Pretty much every study ever done on it. Check the bmj or any meta … Yep. Pretty much every study ever done on it. Check the bmj or any meta analysis done in the last twenty years that hasn't been sponsored by Flora. There's a ton of great stuff if you can be bothered to look, one in Japan and one across the EU covering something like 300,000 people over decades. I'm sure the Flore website is great to base your health on though :phttp://m.phys.org/news/2010-09-high-cholesterol-longevity.htmlhttp://www.drbriffa.com/2011/07/08/higher-cholesterol-levels-associated-with-lower-risk-of-death-from-cardiovascular-disease-in-japan/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/10717431/Why-Ive-ditched-statins-for-good.html easy read if you're not journal minded




Thanks.... Looks like I've been brainwashed in to believing it's bad.... Will read up on it, from those non biased sites.

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The Healthy Heart guide also agrees.

healthy-heart-guide.com/

Most advocate a healthy lifestyle, without the use of statins.

NAILEDIT

Heart UK The Cholesterol Charity agree.http://heartuk.org.uk/


They're behind the times. And guess who they get funding from? Research moves foward, and evidence becomes clearer. Take diabetes-caused by too much sugar and carbs, but Kellogg-funded Diabetes I'M still recommend consuming killer-quantities of bread etc. Even the uk's DA of sugar is something crazy like 90g/day. That is clearly lethal, yet still the official line.

Re cholesterol, I used to think the same, until I looked into it peoperly. It's malpractice to tell people to take statins, to lower cholesterol. Medical advice yrs ago has been proven wrong but it tales time for people in control of organisations to be replaced with up to date thinkers.

Up to you though; I'm not going to load my body full of synthetic plastic thst doesn't rot or get eaten by any animal on earth except for us-margarine and veg oils. I read journals on these things and it's shocking how wrong the status quo is.

NAILEDIT

The Healthy Heart guide also … The Healthy Heart guide also agrees.http://www.healthy-heart-guide.com/Most advocate a healthy lifestyle, without the use of statins.


And who are they? Check their funding or the research they base it all on. You can follow their advice until you die, it doesnt make it right. Or you can wait and change when they change in years time, but still it doesnt make any difference, they're still wrong.

thefatemperor.com/blo…ics this guy knows his stuff and explains it so well, despire not being a medic. His whole site is full of in-depth info like this presented so well. But feel free to ignore it if a Kellogg-owned company tells you otherwise

tunedbody.com/hea…ss/ this is quite a good read, too, concerning how chol has nothing to do with cvd & outcomes.

m.qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/con…ong good sourced report.

And Zoe does some very in-depth research in lay terms with references should you doubt the data. Make time to read and decide, it's pretty important stuff in the grand scheme of things in life.
Edited by: "dancedar" 18th Aug 2015

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dancedar

http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2014/8/4/cholesterol-conundrum-short-know-your-metrics this guy knows his stuff and explains it so well, despire not being a medic. His whole site is full of in-depth info like this presented so well. But feel free to ignore it if a Kellogg-owned company tells you otherwise :)http://www.tunedbody.com/heart-surgeon-declares-really-causes-heart-illness/ this is quite a good read, too, concerning how chol has nothing to do with cvd & outcomes.http://m.qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.long good sourced report.And Zoe does some very in-depth research in lay terms with references should you doubt the data. Make time to read and decide, it's pretty important stuff in the grand scheme of things in life.



This link 'The Hidden Truth About "Reducing Your Cholesterol' backs up what you say. However, it advocates a healthy lifestyle, and the avoidance of many things including trans fat.

truthaboutabs.com/cho…tml

NAILEDIT

This link 'The Hidden Truth About "Reducing Your Cholesterol' backs up … This link 'The Hidden Truth About "Reducing Your Cholesterol' backs up what you say. However, it advocates a healthy lifestyle, and the avoidance of many things including trans fat.http://www.truthaboutabs.com/cholesterol-myths.html


Yep. Trans fats have nothing to do with chol, and healthy lifestyle of course is open to interpretation, but once you 'see' how bad lowering cholesterol is, how it's essential for body functions, and how it's nothing to worry about, everything makes sense. Skip trans fats/margarine, embrace real foods. That's about it

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dancedar

Yep. Trans fats have nothing to do with chol, and healthy lifestyle of … Yep. Trans fats have nothing to do with chol, and healthy lifestyle of course is open to interpretation, but once you 'see' how bad lowering cholesterol is, how it's essential for body functions, and how it's nothing to worry about, everything makes sense. Skip trans fats/margarine, embrace real foods. That's about it



Read it, as it has enlightened me to understand that it is inflammation, not high cholesterol that causes heart disease.

NAILEDIT

Read it, as it has enlightened me to understand that it is inflammation, … Read it, as it has enlightened me to understand that it is inflammation, not high cholesterol that causes heart disease.


Excellent! That article was a changer for me. I liked the analogy of firemen at a scene not being the cause but always present-same with chol. Inflammation is everything-I'm reading about how the gut and inflammation are the root causes of so many 'diseases' such that even the isea of disease in that sense no longer fits, everything's an inflammation of some sort and down the line it manifests as conditions we blame on our environment or genes. Very interesting stuff

I won't go on about it more, but The Big Fat Surprise is a great read and well-researched book on fats, and there's a few good books like The Great Cholesterol Con (via the wonderful http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2015/05/18/hats-off-to-the-japanese/) which dispatch the lipid hypothesis for good. If only Flora would wake up and smell the bacon!
Edited by: "dancedar" 18th Aug 2015

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dancedar

Yep. Trans fats have nothing to do with chol, and healthy lifestyle of … Yep. Trans fats have nothing to do with chol, and healthy lifestyle of course is open to interpretation, but once you 'see' how bad lowering cholesterol is, how it's essential for body functions, and how it's nothing to worry about, everything makes sense. Skip trans fats/margarine, embrace real foods. That's about it



There are many, many other examples for trans fat, especially fast food. Soft margarine is meant to be fine. In 1994 Flora became the first spread to contain no hydrogenated vegetable oils and be virtually trans fat free.

NAILEDIT

There are many, many other examples for trans fat, especially fast food. … There are many, many other examples for trans fat, especially fast food. Soft margarine is meant to be fine. In 1994 Flora became the first spread to contain no hydrogenated vegetable oils and be virtually trans fat free.



Agreed. I see no benefit of eating Flora anything, especially once you read how margarine is made, it's pretty gross. Eat butter and cheese and eggs and leave the veg oils and Flora-pushed slime for others! Of course, fries once in a while won't kill you, but a once-taken change from Flora to butter will save you a lot of trouble health-wise over the years. Plus, butter is delicious!

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dancedar

Agreed. I see no benefit of eating Flora anything, especially once you … Agreed. I see no benefit of eating Flora anything, especially once you read how margarine is made, it's pretty gross. Eat butter and cheese and eggs and leave the veg oils and Flora-pushed slime for others! Of course, fries once in a while won't kill you, but a once-taken change from Flora to butter will save you a lot of trouble health-wise over the years. Plus, butter is delicious!



It is, but I have just seen this 'However, since both stick margarine and butter have saturated fat, neither is a very heart-healthy choice.'

Ignore that part, indulge in sat fat, it too has been exonerated form any link to cvd

I have a fridge with 6 500g Anchor butter blocks in, same again in the freezer, we eat lots of it and all our blood work comes back perfect now, triglycerides etc well below the norm. So glad I looked into this but wished I'd done it sooner, for myself and parents...

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dancedar

Ignore that part, indulge in sat fat, it too has been exonerated form any … Ignore that part, indulge in sat fat, it too has been exonerated form any link to cvd :)I have a fridge with 6 500g Anchor butter blocks in, same again in the freezer, we eat lots of it and all our blood work comes back perfect now, triglycerides etc well below the norm. So glad I looked into this but wished I'd done it sooner, for myself and parents...



Moral of this topic, is to eat what you want in moderation, as these so called experts do not know everything.

dancedar

I'll just leave this here People with higher cholesterol levels live … I'll just leave this here People with higher cholesterol levels live longer than people with lower cholesterol levels.



thats not true... its other way round ....

purswanirahul

thats not true... its other way round ....


Sadly it seems not so.
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