Free travel (after £10 admin fee) on National Rail for kids (5-10) in London
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Free travel (after £10 admin fee) on National Rail for kids (5-10) in London

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Found 7th Aug
So this may be well publicised in London and not a new deal, but occasional visitors like me might not be aware that if you purchase an Oyster Zip card for your kids you can get free travel for them on a lot of national rail services in London. Particularly useful in south London.

The card has a £10 admin fee, which for me is 2 return tickets, so quickly paid for.

If your kids have passports then you should be able to apply online and they'll post it to you. Alternatively you can pick it up from one of their travel shops, but you'll have to apply well in advance.
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napolimp4 m ago

So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest …So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?This country’s a joke.


Richest city, with the most expensive living costs. Calm down.
No good for my daughter, she's not called alaia williams
So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?

This country’s a joke.
This is for unaccompanied children. No one checks for children with adults till 11 years in London zones. Within London Zones children are free with fare paying adults. I think it can work as proof of age card and for school trips etc .
Edited by: "sam_of_london" 7th Aug
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I'd not heard of this, good to remind people. Thanks for posting @oddsocks
This is for unaccompanied children. No one checks for children with adults till 11 years in London zones. Within London Zones children are free with fare paying adults. I think it can work as proof of age card and for school trips etc .
Edited by: "sam_of_london" 7th Aug
NOt on
sam_of_london12 m ago

This is for unaccompanied children. No one checks for children with …This is for unaccompanied children. No one checks for children with adults till 11 years in London zones. Within London Zones children are free with fare paying adults. I think it can work as proof of age card and for school trips etc .


Not my experience on trains I'm afraid. You're right you don't need this on tube/bus/tram but if you've got a ticket inspector on your train past Clapham Junction it's a different story.
As said its for unaccompanied kids and who is going to let their kids under 10 travel on their own in london or anywhere come to think about it. I think the op has got it a bit wrong with this.
No good for my daughter, she's not called alaia williams
Why just London ?
shug11925 m ago

Why just London ?



It's a oyster card that's why
oddsocks59 m ago

NOt on Not my experience on trains I'm afraid. You're right you don't need …NOt on Not my experience on trains I'm afraid. You're right you don't need this on tube/bus/tram but if you've got a ticket inspector on your train past Clapham Junction it's a different story.


No you need to challenge the Gestapo. They make up false fares by themselves.

tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/travel-for-under-18s/travelling-with-children
Edited by: "sam_of_london" 7th Aug
Sums up national rail if it costs them £10 to administer each travel card
So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?

This country’s a joke.
£10 "admin fee" is taking the mick a bit. Just call it unlimited travel for £10
napolimp4 m ago

So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest …So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?This country’s a joke.


Richest city, with the most expensive living costs. Calm down.
napolimp18 m ago

So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest …So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?This country’s a joke.


Just go complain to office of rail regulation and transport Secretary. They will just kick you out and call it a honest mistake. Unless you have legal might to take them to court , you are just a non entity for them .
Edited by: "sam_of_london" 7th Aug
napolimp22 m ago

So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest …So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?This country’s a joke.



Where do you live ? also its TFL it doesn't affect you.
Edited by: "waterloo" 7th Aug
The 11-15 card is £15. Or, more accurately, it's £15 every time they lose it, which seems to be about twice a year.
This is great. Will let others know. If only I looked under 10
Who lets their 5 year old travel on their own?
napolimp1 h, 53 m ago

So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest …So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?This country’s a joke.


Blown out of proportion... Its a regional issue, local governments are run differently in different regions... Heck university education in Scotland is free
Hapzy16 m ago

This is great. Will let others know. If only I looked under 10


Why it's free anyway you are all missing the point.
napolimp2 h, 11 m ago

So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest …So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?This country’s a joke.


It's not really a break. Transport for London makes most of its income from fares and London councils, it's not like this money is coming straight from the budget of your local station (and in fact this could be more profitable if it sells a decent amount of extra adult tickets).
Edited by: "bccben" 7th Aug
I wish I could claim back all those 40p trips I used to spend on travel when I was a kid... I would be rich lol.
napolimp2 h, 35 m ago

So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest …So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?This country’s a joke.


Not our fault everywhere out of London is irrelevant.
waterloo40 m ago

Why it's free anyway you are all missing the point.


What’s the issue? I wasn’t aware. Will be handy to get one. Will tell others about it that can use it for different age groups. Some trips can use when accompanied which we will use.
Hapzy7 m ago

What’s the issue? I wasn’t aware. Will be handy to get one. Will tell oth …What’s the issue? I wasn’t aware. Will be handy to get one. Will tell others about it that can use it for different age groups. Some trips can use when accompanied which we will use.


The issue is it's free anyway or are you going to let your under 11s travel on their own in london.
waterloo5 m ago

The issue is it's free anyway or are you going to let your under 11s …The issue is it's free anyway or are you going to let your under 11s travel on their own in london.


No, of course I wouldn’t. Bet some kids do though. There’s card for different ages. I will get one for my soon to be 16 year old. Not giving them passport to prove age as they will perhaps loose it!
napolimp2 h, 59 m ago

So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest …So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?This country’s a joke.


tfl.gov.uk/cor…ded
Hapzy8 m ago

No, of course I wouldn’t. Bet some kids do though. There’s card for dif …No, of course I wouldn’t. Bet some kids do though. There’s card for different ages. I will get one for my soon to be 16 year old. Not giving them passport to prove age as they will perhaps loose it!


Ok you want a different age one you never said that at first, it costs £20 for a 16+ oyster so think about how much use is he/she going to get out of it before you get one it may not be worth it.
Edited by: "waterloo" 7th Aug
isnt family and friend rail card better? can be used everywhere aswell and get cheaper ticket if you travel with a child under 15. £24
napolimp3 h, 29 m ago

So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest …So the richest city in the country is getting more breaks, whilst the rest of us have to pay for kids travelling on national rail services?This country’s a joke.


Problem is a lot of London hasn’t been gentrified yet, but like oap cold weather payments those on 40% tax shouldn’t be getting their kids free travel in London but their kids will all have it.

Nationally all kids should have free travel to school 7-9am & back home 4-5pm and after 6/7pm off peak - it’s called safety, but London exclusives for all income brackets is a joke.
random_dude4 h, 14 m ago

No good for my daughter, she's not called alaia williams


Deed poll will help
humadoon30 m ago

Deed poll will help


Might need some black make up as well
It's free anyway. Whats the point in a card..??
Mike_HUKD19 m ago

You mean the city that pays for half the country through taxes? The same …You mean the city that pays for half the country through taxes? The same city where cost or living and property is substantially higher than anywhere else in the country? Is that the city you're referring to?



Your point is mute. Londoners may contribute to half the countries spending through taxes, but we, outside London, also pay taxes - I think you’ll find we pay the same rates actually.

it seems like you’re trying to say because there are more rich people in London, that are contributing more in taxes than the rest of the UK, then Londoners should be subject to special treatment.

Free travel should be available to those who need it most. A couple in London on a 6 figure salary probably don’t need help with their kids travel costs, whilst a single parent living in the north west who needs to commute with their child everyday could do with it.

Regardless, as a poster said earlier, TFL get most of their funding from fares and other means so the free travel is paid for mostly by London. However, they do still get some funding from the government, which we ALL pay for.

But do we, outside London, who have children aged 5-10 years old - and pay taxes - get free travel for our kids
Edited by: "napolimp" 7th Aug
seaniboy9 m ago

It’s called helping those less fortunate than you, a child parents who can …It’s called helping those less fortunate than you, a child parents who can afford child day rates for TFL should pay them - this is children not adults, vulnerable are kids to all sorts of danger, more so where poverty is abundant, don’t be so self absorbed over a child’s safety, act like a adult please.


I think you're the one being self absorbed buddy. I'm not the one suggesting this shouldn't be available to everyone, you are.

We get those who earn the most to contribute the most through taxes. To then charge those same people who've already lost 50% of their earnings to tax even more to use services that everyone else sounds am awful lot like doubling up to me. At some point being successful loses its incentive, and then all of society loses.
napolimp11 m ago

Your point is mute. Londoners may contribute to half the countries …Your point is mute. Londoners may contribute to half the countries spending through taxes, but we, outside London, also pay taxes - I think you’ll find we pay the same rates actually.it seems like you’re trying to say because there are more rich people in London, that are contributing more in taxes than the rest of the UK, then Londoners should be subject to special treatment.Free travel should be available to those who need it most. A couple in London on a 6 figure salary probably don’t need help with their kids travel costs, whilst a single parent living in the north west who needs to commute with their child everyday could do with it.Regardless, as a poster said earlier, TFL get most of their funding from fares and other means so the free travel is paid for mostly by London. However, they do still get some funding from the government, which we ALL pay for. But do we, outside London, who have children aged 5-10 years old - and pay taxes - get free travel for our kids


Exactly, it’s nuts even high rate taxpayers get bus passes and winter fuel payments and kids have to walk to school in the dark in winter - where’s the safety & equality in that ? A oap defo has more alertness & chance against some suspicious type whereas a kid is completely and utterly vulnerable, especially when usually looking at a smartphone most the day.

I sit outside the ww2 baby boom generation and the CTC baby boomers - man they want it all at whoever else’s cost, spoilt,even a child’s safety, Great preposterous Britain.
napolimp13 m ago

Your point is mute. Londoners may contribute to half the countries …Your point is mute. Londoners may contribute to half the countries spending through taxes, but we, outside London, also pay taxes - I think you’ll find we pay the same rates actually.it seems like you’re trying to say because there are more rich people in London, that are contributing more in taxes than the rest of the UK, then Londoners should be subject to special treatment.Free travel should be available to those who need it most. A couple in London on a 6 figure salary probably don’t need help with their kids travel costs, whilst a single parent living in the north west who needs to commute with their child everyday could do with it.Regardless, as a poster said earlier, TFL get most of their funding from fares and other means so the free travel is paid for mostly by London. However, they do still get some funding from the government, which we ALL pay for. But do we, outside London, who have children aged 5-10 years old - and pay taxes - get free travel for our kids


Don't make a seeping statement about London, then try to justify it by comparing a rich person in London to a poor person outside of London. That's just nonsense.

What you suggested is there's something wrong with London having this. What I have suggested is there's nothing wrong with giving back to a place where the majority of the countries money comes from.

Also this notion that the streets are paved in gold and everyone walks into a 6 figure job in London is just nonsense. First off loads of people in London are poor. Secondly, London is ridiculously expensive to live in. Thirdly, anyone in the UK who wants to come and work in London, can do. There's no special requirement. The reality is a lot of folk who choose to come and work in London are ambitious and work damn hard for their money, so or course there is a self selection bias.
seaniboy10 m ago

Exactly, it’s nuts even high rate taxpayers get bus passes and winter fuel …Exactly, it’s nuts even high rate taxpayers get bus passes and winter fuel payments and kids have to walk to school in the dark in winter - where’s the safety & equality in that ? A oap defo has more alertness & chance against some suspicious type whereas a kid is completely and utterly vulnerable, especially when usually looking at a smartphone most the day. I sit outside the ww2 baby boom generation and the CTC baby boomers - man they want it all at whoever else’s cost, spoilt,even a child’s safety, Great preposterous Britain.


You seem to be bypassing the fact those higher rate tax payers contribute the most, far in excess of what they take from the government. That is by and large the point (and not something I object to by the way). But attempting to double charge them is unreasonable, if the government wants more money off the high rate tax payers them be transparent about it and raise the tax rate.

Imagine if a chap earning 50k and a chap earning 20k walked into Tesco, both looking for a birthday cake. The cake cost £10. The richer guy can afford this and more, but the poorer bloke only has a fiver. Tesco (the government) decides to take 15 quid off the rich guy and 5 off the poor guy, and both get a cake. Seems reasonable, everyone has contributed in line with their means and walks away happy right?

Now what you're suggesting here is despite the richer guy contributing more than his fair share to balance the scales, he shouldn't even get the cake. If he wants the cake, he'll have to come back another day and buy the cake again!

Stop trying to take my cake!!
Mike_HUKD18 m ago

I think you're the one being self absorbed buddy. I'm not the one …I think you're the one being self absorbed buddy. I'm not the one suggesting this shouldn't be available to everyone, you are. We get those who earn the most to contribute the most through taxes. To then charge those same people who've already lost 50% of their earnings to tax even more to use services that everyone else sounds am awful lot like doubling up to me. At some point being successful loses its incentive, and then all of society loses.


Self absorbed because I budget and would pay my child’s way to keep other kids safer. Your damn right I would forfeit a free bus pass at 40% Tax for the safety of a/every child anywhere nationally and so should all retirees who have a large pension income, they should be made to.

I havent suggested anything of the kind, I’ve repeatedly said on this thread child safety via travel should be paid by those who can afford it and those who can’t the gov picks up.

A child’s safety isn’t regional it is a taxpayers responsibility for those children who’s parents can’t forsake £100 a month travelpass pass. Not a free for all, adults have choices and tax brackets kids don’t - why should they be penalised safety for some chancer on a £45K pension wanting a freebie, too many people are self absorbed even at a child’s risk, they don’t care.
Mike_HUKD12 m ago

You seem to be bypassing the fact those higher rate tax payers contribute …You seem to be bypassing the fact those higher rate tax payers contribute the most, far in excess of what they take from the government. That is by and large the point (and not something I object to by the way). But attempting to double charge them is unreasonable, if the government wants more money off the high rate tax payers them be transparent about it and raise the tax rate. Imagine if a chap earning 50k and a chap earning 20k walked into Tesco, both looking for a birthday cake. The cake cost £10. The richer guy can afford this and more, but the poorer bloke only has a fiver. Tesco (the government) decides to take 15 quid off the rich guy and 5 off the poor guy, and both get a cake. Seems reasonable, everyone has contributed in line with their means and walks away happy right? Now what you're suggesting here is despite the richer guy contributing more than his fair share to balance the scales, he shouldn't even get the cake. If he wants the cake, he'll have to come back another day and buy the cake again! Stop trying to take my cake!!


You lost your argument when you related a public company to a gov public duty to protect its most vulnerable, in this instance no national kids bus passes over oaps bus passes and cold weather payments who have a £45K income, or any taxpayer household who has £45K a year - it is a gov duty to ensure safe passage to and from school for the most cash strapped kids aswell as high standards of school, it is a rounded adult who willing contributes to such.


Ask any grandparent who lost a child, James Bulger etc etc would they now give up their oap bus pass for free child bus passes even before 45K. You know the answer.


For a £45K adult to argue free safe passage for their kid/s over the poorest nationally is just crazy talk, that’s how things like Grenfell happen, self absoarbed people pay themselves more wage/rises by cutting safety costs at all costs.
seaniboy10 m ago

Self absorbed because I budget and would pay my child’s way to keep other k …Self absorbed because I budget and would pay my child’s way to keep other kids safer. Your damn right I would forfeit a free bus pass at 40% Tax for the safety of a/every child anywhere nationally and so should all retirees who have a large pension income, they should be made to. I havent suggested anything of the kind, I’ve repeatedly said on this thread child safety via travel should be paid by those who can afford it and those who can’t the gov picks up. A child’s safety isn’t regional it is a taxpayers responsibility for those children who’s parents can’t forsake £100 a month travelpass pass. Not a free for all, adults have choices and tax brackets kids don’t - why should they be penalised safety for some chancer on a £45K pension wanting a freebie, too many people are self absorbed even at a child’s risk, they don’t care.


Again, not sure what you're arguing about. Who is saying that children's travel shouldn't be free?

Also when did kids travelling unaccompanied on trains become a 'safety' thing? That is what this deal actually is after all. Think I'd rather kids that are travelled with an adult to be honest, which is free without the card.

So again, my point is there's nothing wrong with the deal as is which doesn't look to exclude any children from free travel. Everyone is eligible. What on earth is wrong with that? How does taking it away from certain children help anyone?

Your position really has me confused. Vindictive for the sake of it?
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