Garlic & Herb British Chicken (Lidl £ 1.99) In store 25 & 26 April
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Garlic & Herb British Chicken (Lidl £ 1.99) In store 25 & 26 April

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Found 22nd Apr 2015
Garlic & Herb British Chicken (Lidl £ 1.99) Perfect for Sunday roast or BBQ.
In store 25 & 26 April

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Yumm

Not Free Range...won't somebody think of the poor Hens!

Pulled pork is half price in our local one. £1.62.

Krinkle

Not Free Range...won't somebody think of the poor Hens!

It's going to get eaten anyway!

Horrible, old rank chickens reared in appalling conditions.

Also the chickens are likely to have been fed GM corn.

Contrast and compare:

TESCO - All poultry (fresh and frozen) and eggs are from animals fed a non-GM diet.
SAINSBURY'S - All chicken, turkey and duck, fresh and frozen, is from animals that are fed a non-GM diet as are all products in the SO Organic range.
MORRISONS - All Morrisons fresh and frozen poultry, farmed fish, fresh eggs and organic product ranges are from animals that are fed a non GM diet.
THE CO-OPERATIVE - All chicken, all eggs, all farmed salmon and trout, fresh turkey, fresh duck and New Zealand lamb is from animals fed a non-GM diet.
WAITROSE - In terms of animal feed, our laying hens (i.e. eggs), chicken, duck, farmed fish and New Zealand Lamb are fed a non-GM diet.
M&S - All fresh meat, poultry, eggs, farmed fish, milk and frozen chicken are from animals fed a non-GM diet.

ASDA - No guarantee that meat, farmed fish, eggs and dairy (fresh, frozen and processed) is not from animals fed GM, unless it is labelled organic.
LIDL - No guarantee that meat, farmed fish, eggs and dairy (fresh, frozen and processed) is not from animals fed GM, unless it is labelled organic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/7852762/Supermarkets-selling-meat-from-animals-fed-GM-crops.html

Lidl poultry? No thanks.

Edited by: "Picard123" 22nd Apr 2015

Original Poster

Thank you for your irrelevant comment
I'm sure you are aware that this information is from 2010, since we have 2015 I would strongly advise to read current supermarkets GM policy.
Time to wake up and stop glorifying supermarkets like Tesco, we all know - they are doing well ;-)

Original Poster

ptom19

Thank you for your irrelevant commentI'm sure you are aware that this … Thank you for your irrelevant commentI'm sure you are aware that this information is from 2010, since we have 2015 I would strongly advise to read current supermarkets GM policy.Time to wake up and stop glorifying supermarkets like Tesco, we all know - they are doing well ;-)

ptom19

Thank you for your irrelevant commentI'm sure you are aware that this … Thank you for your irrelevant commentI'm sure you are aware that this information is from 2010, since we have 2015 I would strongly advise to read current supermarkets GM policy.Time to wake up and stop glorifying supermarkets like Tesco, we all know - they are doing well ;-)


FYI Pickard123

ptom19

Thank you for your irrelevant commentI'm sure you are aware that this … Thank you for your irrelevant commentI'm sure you are aware that this information is from 2010, since we have 2015 I would strongly advise to read current supermarkets GM policy.Time to wake up and stop glorifying supermarkets like Tesco, we all know - they are doing well ;-)

ptom19

Thank you for your irrelevant commentI'm sure you are aware that this … Thank you for your irrelevant commentI'm sure you are aware that this information is from 2010, since we have 2015 I would strongly advise to read current supermarkets GM policy.Time to wake up and stop glorifying supermarkets like Tesco, we all know - they are doing well ;-)



LOL how is that glorifying tesco, just because its first in the list lol. They all the same.

chicken is chicken...plus don't like the idea of unbrought chickens being binned....

Picard123

Horrible, old rank chickens reared in appalling conditions.Also the … Horrible, old rank chickens reared in appalling conditions.Also the chickens are likely to have been fed GM corn.Contrast and compare:TESCO - All poultry (fresh and frozen) and eggs are from animals fed a non-GM diet.SAINSBURY'S - All chicken, turkey and duck, fresh and frozen, is from animals that are fed a non-GM diet as are all products in the SO Organic range.MORRISONS - All Morrisons fresh and frozen poultry, farmed fish, fresh eggs and organic product ranges are from animals that are fed a non GM diet.THE CO-OPERATIVE - All chicken, all eggs, all farmed salmon and trout, fresh turkey, fresh duck and New Zealand lamb is from animals fed a non-GM diet.WAITROSE - In terms of animal feed, our laying hens (i.e. eggs), chicken, duck, farmed fish and New Zealand Lamb are fed a non-GM diet.M&S - All fresh meat, poultry, eggs, farmed fish, milk and frozen chicken are from animals fed a non-GM diet.ASDA - No guarantee that meat, farmed fish, eggs and dairy (fresh, frozen and processed) is not from animals fed GM, unless it is labelled organic.LIDL - No guarantee that meat, farmed fish, eggs and dairy (fresh, frozen and processed) is not from animals fed GM, unless it is labelled organic.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/7852762/Supermarkets-selling-meat-from-animals-fed-GM-crops.htmlLidl poultry? No thanks.




I think you need to re-read a more recent article regarding Lidl and their commitment to British Farming and the red tractor assurance standard.

100% of Lidls British meat and poultry have the red tractor assurance standard...so if that is the case and this is a British Chicken, then take it up with the assurance standard that the standard has no groundings and you believe that chickens approved by it are old, rank and they are reared in appalling conditions...because the rest of us do not want to hear your lies.
Edited by: "cicobuff" 22nd Apr 2015

Original Poster

furbix

LOL how is that glorifying tesco, just because its first in the list lol. … LOL how is that glorifying tesco, just because its first in the list lol. They all the same.


yes Furbix, they all the same unless organic
current market cannot guarantee that soya is GM free
I've used Tesco just as a example

Krinkle

Not Free Range...won't somebody think of the poor Hens!



I'll think it over while eating a nice roast dinner.

Not free range but people on budgets don't always have the luxury to be mindful about a chickens wellbeing, as harsh as that maybe.

I am sorry but the budget excuse is rubbish. I can make a free range Chicken last 2 meals for 4 people. It's about being mindful. If I have less money one week then we have less meat, no big problem!!

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Picard123

Horrible, old rank chickens reared in appalling conditions.Also the … Horrible, old rank chickens reared in appalling conditions.Also the chickens are likely to have been fed GM corn.Contrast and compare:TESCO - All poultry (fresh and frozen) and eggs are from animals fed a non-GM diet.SAINSBURY'S - All chicken, turkey and duck, fresh and frozen, is from animals that are fed a non-GM diet as are all products in the SO Organic range.MORRISONS - All Morrisons fresh and frozen poultry, farmed fish, fresh eggs and organic product ranges are from animals that are fed a non GM diet.THE CO-OPERATIVE - All chicken, all eggs, all farmed salmon and trout, fresh turkey, fresh duck and New Zealand lamb is from animals fed a non-GM diet.WAITROSE - In terms of animal feed, our laying hens (i.e. eggs), chicken, duck, farmed fish and New Zealand Lamb are fed a non-GM diet.M&S - All fresh meat, poultry, eggs, farmed fish, milk and frozen chicken are from animals fed a non-GM diet.ASDA - No guarantee that meat, farmed fish, eggs and dairy (fresh, frozen and processed) is not from animals fed GM, unless it is labelled organic.LIDL - No guarantee that meat, farmed fish, eggs and dairy (fresh, frozen and processed) is not from animals fed GM, unless it is labelled organic.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/7852762/Supermarkets-selling-meat-from-animals-fed-GM-crops.htmlLidl poultry? No thanks.



Could you tell us of any problems of feeding animals GM crops? And is there any evidence? I can name some typical advantages like reduced costs, increased yields, and reduced use of pesticides/fertilisers.

Bear in mind that the animal digests the foods and breaks in down into its basic components. It's also worth noting that a lot of medicines e.g. Insulin, are produced by GM methods.

Cold from me . Sorry if you're a poultry keeper you know that hen has had a terrible cruel life

Whilst free range isn't always the best, sometimes they technically have less space than indoor hens, people should also realise that British animals have the highest standards of welfare in the world.
If you want free range then buy it but don't automatically assume poor quality and welfare especially compared to the rest of the world.

Don't be look down on and be judgemental of others who don't buy free range either.

Good deal OP but this is a weekend offer that is specific to your region. I think mine is mince this week.

jojool

I am sorry but the budget excuse is rubbish. I can make a free range … I am sorry but the budget excuse is rubbish. I can make a free range Chicken last 2 meals for 4 people. It's about being mindful. If I have less money one week then we have less meat, no big problem!!



Erm, I can make 2 budget chickens for the same price as one free range last 4 meals for 4 people.
Of course budget comes into it.

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Picard123

Horrible, old rank chickens reared in appalling conditions.Also the … Horrible, old rank chickens reared in appalling conditions.Also the chickens are likely to have been fed GM corn.Contrast and compare:TESCO - All poultry (fresh and frozen) and eggs are from animals fed a non-GM diet.SAINSBURY'S - All chicken, turkey and duck, fresh and frozen, is from animals that are fed a non-GM diet as are all products in the SO Organic range.MORRISONS - All Morrisons fresh and frozen poultry, farmed fish, fresh eggs and organic product ranges are from animals that are fed a non GM diet.THE CO-OPERATIVE - All chicken, all eggs, all farmed salmon and trout, fresh turkey, fresh duck and New Zealand lamb is from animals fed a non-GM diet.WAITROSE - In terms of animal feed, our laying hens (i.e. eggs), chicken, duck, farmed fish and New Zealand Lamb are fed a non-GM diet.M&S - All fresh meat, poultry, eggs, farmed fish, milk and frozen chicken are from animals fed a non-GM diet.ASDA - No guarantee that meat, farmed fish, eggs and dairy (fresh, frozen and processed) is not from animals fed GM, unless it is labelled organic.LIDL - No guarantee that meat, farmed fish, eggs and dairy (fresh, frozen and processed) is not from animals fed GM, unless it is labelled organic.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/7852762/Supermarkets-selling-meat-from-animals-fed-GM-crops.htmlLidl poultry? No thanks.



Thanks for this info it is something that most people overlook nowadays and people just go for any cheap rubbish. It's also worth noting that a recent study resulted in Lidl and Aldi featuring in the second worst catagory for bacteria in poultry with Asda being the worst. Tesco came up top with least bacteria followed by the remaining big four.

jase99

CommentThanks for this info it is something that most people overlook … CommentThanks for this info it is something that most people overlook nowadays and people just go for any cheap rubbish. It's also worth noting that a recent study resulted in Lidl and Aldi featuring in the second worst catagory for bacteria in poultry with Asda being the worst. Tesco came up top with least bacteria followed by the remaining big four.



Don't lick a raw chicken then. Bacteria gets killed off in the cooking process!

Is it free range

samnai

Is it free range



LOL. Not at this price - it's old, rank chicken.

cicobuff

I think you need to re-read a more recent article regarding Lidl and … I think you need to re-read a more recent article regarding Lidl and their commitment to British Farming and the red tractor assurance standard.



There really is a sucker born every minute. Do you even understand what Red Tractor is? It's about as meaningful as if I were to stick a label called Pink Frog on produce that I sold. I bet you're the sort of person who was happy when you read Coke's blurb about it being part of a healthy diet X)

'Red Tractor' amongst other things allows for "mutilations of pigs without anaesthetic, tethering of sheep and cattle, zero-grazing of dairy cows, and genetically modified or cloned animals and their offspring. It also generally provided less space and comfort than rival marks."

The 'good food' stamp barely worth the label it's printed on
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/the-good-food-stamp-barely-worth-the-label-its-printed-on-7697854.html

It's impossible to produce a high quality chicken for £1.99 per bird. It's impossible. Corners will be cut somewhere.





Edited by: "Picard123" 22nd Apr 2015

I will always remember the time that I bought a rotisserie chicken from asda and omg it was the first and last after the whole family were throwing up and on the loo !!!! Cheap = bacteria!!!!

Picard123

There really is a sucker born every minute. Do you even understand what … There really is a sucker born every minute. Do you even understand what Red Tractor is? It's about as meaningful as if I were to stick a label called Pink Frog on produce that I sold. I bet you're the sort of person who was happy when you read Coke's blurb about it being part of a healthy diet X)'Red Tractor' amongst other things allows for "mutilations of pigs without anaesthetic, tethering of sheep and cattle, zero-grazing of dairy cows, and genetically modified or cloned animals and their offspring. It also generally provided less space and comfort than rival marks."The 'good food' stamp barely worth the label it's printed onhttp://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/the-good-food-stamp-barely-worth-the-label-its-printed-on-7697854.htmlIt's impossible to produce a high quality chicken for £1.99 per bird. It's impossible. Corners will be cut somewhere.



Do you always google research articles that are 3 years or more ago to base your 'facts'. It is cheap because it is a half price offer for the weekend on their meat and poultry which they do every week on something or other...do you think Lidl go "right, we have some on the turn bacterial laden chickens to get rid of...lets have a half price week"
Edited by: "cicobuff" 22nd Apr 2015

There's nothing wrong with GM Crops. Get of your high horse, shoot it in the head and eat that if you don't like chicken.

Picard123

There really is a sucker born every minute. Do you even understand what … There really is a sucker born every minute. Do you even understand what Red Tractor is? It's about as meaningful as if I were to stick a label called Pink Frog on produce that I sold. I bet you're the sort of person who was happy when you read Coke's blurb about it being part of a healthy diet X)'Red Tractor' amongst other things allows for "mutilations of pigs without anaesthetic, tethering of sheep and cattle, zero-grazing of dairy cows, and genetically modified or cloned animals and their offspring. It also generally provided less space and comfort than rival marks."The 'good food' stamp barely worth the label it's printed onhttp://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/the-good-food-stamp-barely-worth-the-label-its-printed-on-7697854.htmlIt's impossible to produce a high quality chicken for £1.99 per bird. It's impossible. Corners will be cut somewhere.


Assured Farm Standards, Red Tractor etc, is basically following UK law which is the highest in the world.

"Tethering of sheep" - you have no idea of basic animal husbandry here. Sometimes, for both the animal's and farmer's safety, you need to restrain an animal. The guidelines state: "Restraint devices such as raddles, harnesses, tethers and yokes should be properly fitted and adjusted to avoid causing injury or discomfort. These shouldn’t be used for longer than necessary and it’s important to check on such animals regularly."

"Mutilations of pigs" - These are also enshrined in law. In the EU for example, pig castration occurs without anaesthetic whilst in the UK anaesthetic is a legal requirement. Tail docking is another example where the law states: "If docking of tails is carried out after the seventh day of life it shall only be performed under anaesthetic and additional prolonged analgesia by a veterinary surgeon." In essence, "Routine tail docking is not permitted. Tail docking should only be used as a last resort, after improvements to the pigs environment and management have proved ineffectual."

Zero grazing - sounds bad but in essence instead of the cows being outside all from spring until autumn, they are kept indoors and fed the grass from the fields they would have been in. We don't always have wonderful summers after all. Obviously it's not ideal but the animals still have room to move around, feed and rest as they please.

Cloning - "The government agrees with the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) that there is no evidence of any difference in the safety of food produced from cloned animals or their descendants and that from conventionally bred animals." "The European Commission has announced proposals IP/13/1269 to prohibit the commercial cloning of animals for food production (although they will allow scientific research to continue) and to ban the sale of food produced from clones.

The UK government believes these controls are unnecessary. Not only are there no food safety issues associated with food from clones, but existing EU and national legislation will provide the necessary safeguards for the welfare of the animals concerned. We will be making these points forcibly when the proposals are discussed in Brussels in due course." I really don't see the possible problems in terms of welfare on this. Gentically modified animals for food don't really exist.

The price of an offer doesn't really reflect production costs considering it's likely a loss leader to attract footfall and sales.

jase99

CommentThanks for this info it is something that most people overlook … CommentThanks for this info it is something that most people overlook nowadays and people just go for any cheap rubbish. It's also worth noting that a recent study resulted in Lidl and Aldi featuring in the second worst catagory for bacteria in poultry with Asda being the worst. Tesco came up top with least bacteria followed by the remaining big four.



It's worth noting that I called you out on this misinformation last time you presented it as such. Aldi and Lidl were combined with all other suppliers which includes all butchers, convenience stores, Iceland etc and thus is not reflective of the actual contamination. All the supermarkets were bad, with the "best" result from like you say Tesco even though 64% of tesco chickens were infected which quite frankly is still bad. The sample size distribution was also unequal and if it was similar to the amount of Tesco samples, then perhaps the results would have averaged out to similar levels.

diamond321

I will always remember the time that I bought a rotisserie chicken from … I will always remember the time that I bought a rotisserie chicken from asda and omg it was the first and last after the whole family were throwing up and on the loo !!!! Cheap = bacteria!!!!



Exactly. Rotisserie chicken like they produce in Asda is a breeding ground for bacteria. 'Squirts Central' after you've had one of those.

Edited by: "Picard123" 22nd Apr 2015

yrreb88

It's worth noting that I called you out on this misinformation last … It's worth noting that I called you out on this misinformation last time you presented it as such. Aldi and Lidl were combined with all other suppliers which includes all butchers, convenience stores, Iceland etc and thus is not reflective of the actual contamination. All the supermarkets were bad, with the "best" result from like you say Tesco even though 64% of tesco chickens were infected which quite frankly is still bad. The sample size distribution was also unequal and if it was similar to the amount of Tesco samples, then perhaps the results would have averaged out to similar levels.



I remember that you failed miserably last time as well.....that large scale palm oil production wasn't damaging, or was it failing to show that John West tuna wasn't caught using sustainable non-damaging methods? Instead you just resorted to volume spamming. X)

reality is people who are strong in their belief of animal rights can make choices based on their meat requirements. on the flip side those who don't feel morally culpable to those ethics can buy what they believe to be best.

This attitude that "some people" can't afford free range and other similar forms of meat is frankly dumb. I live on a pretty basic wage and live in a very basic level of housing but I find the extra bit of cash to buy what I consider to be far more ethically sourced meat. I don't iscou t others choices and I don't expect morons to slander my decisions.

It's also worth noticing that a certain level of cookery skills will enhance even the cheapest food to a far better level and if you don't agree with that you are absolutely welcome at any point to step into a kitchen with me and see for yourself. simply put knowledge and understanding of food and how to prep and cook it is what determines the quality

jase99

CommentThanks for this info it is something that most people overlook … CommentThanks for this info it is something that most people overlook nowadays and people just go for any cheap rubbish. It's also worth noting that a recent study resulted in Lidl and Aldi featuring in the second worst catagory for bacteria in poultry with Asda being the worst. Tesco came up top with least bacteria followed by the remaining big four.



How recent? You've been banging on about it for months! The same study which grouped loads Aldi and Lidl with a load of other firms meaning you can't tell whether Aldi or Lidl were good or bad compared to the other supermarkets or the category as a whole.

Not that any of this stops you getting on your soapbox and spouting anti Aldi and Lidl rubbish at every opportunity!

Picard123

I remember that you failed miserably last time as well.....that large … I remember that you failed miserably last time as well.....that large scale palm oil production wasn't damaging, or was it failing to show that John West tuna wasn't caught using sustainable non-damaging methods? Instead you just resorted to volume spamming. X)



Think you might are confusing me with someone else sorry, I'm not even sure what volume spamming is. oO I don't think I've ever been part of a for or against discussion in regards to John West's methods. Ad hominems trump all discussions anyway.

yrreb88

Think you might are confusing me with someone else sorry, I'm not even … Think you might are confusing me with someone else sorry, I'm not even sure what volume spamming is. oO I don't think I've ever been part of a for or against discussion in regards to John West's methods. Ad hominems trump all discussions anyway.



I remember you now - you were that guy saying that eating 1kg of fatty peanut butter every week was fine because it was 'good fat'! oO
Or was it consuming tons of sugar was fine because it was 'fruit sugar'? X)

I'm waiting for your next gem - always provides some entertainment value!

yrreb88

Assured Farm Standards, Red Tractor etc, is basically following UK law … Assured Farm Standards, Red Tractor etc, is basically following UK law which is the highest in the world.



You do come out with pure comedy gold X) Familiar with the food production standards in every country in the world are you? Clearly, you've been spending so much time travelling the world familiarising yourself with such standards that you must have missed the national scandal involving our chicken being ridden with campylobacter due to the vast, industrial, cost cutting scale scale under which they're produced which leads to continual cross contamination of chickens with bacteria from their faces and guts.

Low welfare standards
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QLP6e5T0dr8/TYDY2GsPDMI/AAAAAAAABBM/Gu7m2_bpjvg/s1600/buffy-021.jpg

UK chicken production:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2014/7/23/1406125148528/chicken-offal-015.jpg

UK law provides for minimum standards - not best standards or best practice. UK law doesn't follow Freedom Food or Soil Association standards for instance, so your comment implying that "Red Tractor etc" is somehow the best in the world is laughably ignorant and misleading.

Still, you do provide some comedy with your posts. X)


Edited by: "Picard123" 22nd Apr 2015

Picard123

I remember you now - you were that guy saying that eating 1kg of fatty … I remember you now - you were that guy saying that eating 1kg of fatty peanut butter every week was fine because it was 'good fat'! oOOr was it consuming tons of sugar was fine because it was 'fruit sugar'? X)I'm waiting for your next gem - always provides some entertainment value!



Now you're just either twisting my points and/or literally confusing me with someone else. I have never nor will I suggest eating 1kg of "fatty" peanut butter a week but I think myself and many people will agree it is a source of "good" fats. Am I incorrect in stating that nuts aren't a source of good fats?

I have never suggested eating tons of sugar, has anyone? I have stated sugar is sugar regardless of source, not sure if it was to you though. I may have suggested that a smoothie is a valid source of one or two of your five a day as recommended by current guidelines. I have also tried to point out that sugar is fine in moderation as with anything along those lines such as alchohol. Oh wait I remember one discussion we had now, the WHO guidelines advising a max of 25g of sugar a day which you incorrectly cited as evidence for your own various reasons.

Picard123

You do come out with pure comedy gold X) Familiar with the food … You do come out with pure comedy gold X) Familiar with the food production standards in every country in the world are you? Clearly, you've been spending so much time travelling the world familiarising yourself with such standards that you must have missed the national scandal involving our chicken being ridden with campylobacter due to the vast, industrial, cost cutting scale scale under which they're produced which leads to continual cross contamination of chickens with bacteria from their faces and guts. Low welfare standardsUK chicken production:UK law provides for minimum standards - not best standards or best practice. UK law doesn't follow Freedom Food or Soil Association standards for instance, so your comment implying that "Red Tractor etc" is somehow the best in the world is laughably ignorant and misleading. Still, you do provide some comedy with your posts. X)



Are you familiar with every production standard in the world? Can you point to one country that requires consistantly higher standards and has more animal welfare legislation?

Do you eat raw poultry and meat? Do you expect all food be sterile when you get it and thus never follow basic food hygeine and safety? I don't care if it's free range, organic or produced by myself in a completely sterile environment, I'll still prepare and cook my food safely. Of course the contamination should be less but it is important to realise that there is no real danger if the proper precautions are followed.

A picture of an abused chicken from an unknown source, I fail to see the relevance here.

I am not naive enough to think the food industry is a perfect one nor would I deny that abuse and neglect doesn't happen. Several undercover operations quite rightly expose the worst aspects. I am completely aware that there could, and of course should, be better standards and more legislation and apologies if you thought I was saying red tractor etc was better than free range.

My point is that our minimum standards as bad as they might seem, are unfortunately, to my knowledge, the best. You only have to look at the EU to realise that, you can castrate a pig without anaesthetic, you can use farrowing crates (although fairly recently they are looking at phasing them out) when they have been illegal in the UK for at least 15 years. In the US, you can pretty much do what you like, growth promoters and hormones etc but these are banned in the UK and EU. All I am saying is if you are not concerned about welfare or are budget conscious, then at the bare minimum you should buy British. If you are, then buy the relevant product to your ethics and budget and imo no one should be looked down upon for any of these choices.

I don't think you have really tried to debate any of my points even when some sort of evidence is provided.

I'm glad I have a fan though at least.
Edited by: "yrreb88" 22nd Apr 2015


yrreb88

Assured Farm Standards, Red Tractor etc, is basically following UK law … Assured Farm Standards, Red Tractor etc, is basically following UK law which is the highest in the world. "Tethering of sheep" - you have no idea of basic animal husbandry here. Sometimes, for both the animal's and farmer's safety, you need to restrain an animal. The guidelines state: "Restraint devices such as raddles, harnesses, tethers and yokes should be properly fitted and adjusted to avoid causing injury or discomfort. These shouldn’t be used for longer than necessary and it’s important to check on such animals regularly." "Mutilations of pigs" - These are also enshrined in law. In the EU for example, pig castration occurs without anaesthetic whilst in the UK anaesthetic is a legal requirement. Tail docking is another example where the law states: "If docking of tails is carried out after the seventh day of life it shall only be performed under anaesthetic and additional prolonged analgesia by a veterinary surgeon." In essence, "Routine tail docking is not permitted. Tail docking should only be used as a last resort, after improvements to the pigs environment and management have proved ineffectual."Zero grazing - sounds bad but in essence instead of the cows being outside all from spring until autumn, they are kept indoors and fed the grass from the fields they would have been in. We don't always have wonderful summers after all. Obviously it's not ideal but the animals still have room to move around, feed and rest as they please.Cloning - "The government agrees with the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) that there is no evidence of any difference in the safety of food produced from cloned animals or their descendants and that from conventionally bred animals." "The European Commission has announced proposals IP/13/1269 to prohibit the commercial cloning of animals for food production (although they will allow scientific research to continue) and to ban the sale of food produced from clones.The UK government believes these controls are unnecessary. Not only are there no food safety issues associated with food from clones, but existing EU and national legislation will provide the necessary safeguards for the welfare of the animals concerned. We will be making these points forcibly when the proposals are discussed in Brussels in due course." I really don't see the possible problems in terms of welfare on this. Gentically modified animals for food don't really exist. The price of an offer doesn't really reflect production costs considering it's likely a loss leader to attract footfall and sales.



still waiting for the oh so smart Picard123 to make some counterpoints to this well written post, he seems to have conveniently skipped over it and gone straight to insults??
Edited by: "Wibblefish" 23rd Apr 2015

Who really cares about GM, when these things are treated like cheap commodities all their lives? Their carcasses are literally being sold for less than £2. Sickening, when you actually spend the time to think about it.

I think if you are going to eat an animal you should actually care where it's come from and the quality of life it's had...stands to reason that a horrendously cruel life will lead to a poor quality creature and most probably bad stuff being ingested by the purchaser! If you really don't care then you are a moron and deserve everything you get!

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