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Genesis Tour De Fer 20 2020 Bike £1099 @ Winstanley Bikes
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Genesis Tour De Fer 20 2020 Bike £1099 @ Winstanley Bikes

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Posted 19th Mar

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Well regarded flat handle bar touring bike, RRP is £1500 and still at this price at many places, but reduced by 27% @ Winstanleys Bikes. Good spec which includes a dynamo hub.
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ItsFrazer19/03/2020 23:11

It's aluminium


Nope. Steel. Reynolds 725 tube steel too. A bike forever basically. Hot.
Phil Collins would never ride this.
Certainly tempting...but what would I tell my trusty almost 8 year old Triban 3? It hasn't failed me yet, especially since it became my touring steed in 2017

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Is it carbon then?
It's aluminium
Phil Collins would never ride this.
Great price - STEEL!!! Providing it’s maintained this bike will outlive us all and yet you moan about the price.

I presume you buy a muddyfox from the Argos each year at £120 and pretend it’s good value for money???
ItsFrazer19/03/2020 23:11

It's aluminium


Nope. Steel. Reynolds 725 tube steel too. A bike forever basically. Hot.
ItsFrazer19/03/2020 23:11

It's aluminium


Nope, it's steel. So probably about 0.25% carbon in the alloy.

This bike is the touring spec version of the original Croix de Fer. Good enough to shave nearly two weeks off the Round the World record.

bikeradar.com/new…rd/

As mentioned above, buy one of these and you've made a long term investment.
ItsFrazer19/03/2020 23:10

My point is. 1k for a bike....


You aren't a keen cyclist, we get it. Why click on the deal?
Edited by: "johnnystorm" 19th Mar
Any idea what the weight of one of these would be?
tawse5719/03/2020 23:53

Any idea what the weight of one of these would be?


Looks very weighty at 15.5kg but it is a touring bike.

Anyone know the difference between the TDF 10 and the TDF 20? Can see the 10 is lighter...
Calaisjar19/03/2020 23:15

Is it £200 better than the next model down? …Is it £200 better than the next model down? https://winstanleysbikes.co.uk/genesis-tour-de-fer-10-2020-bike?gclid=CjwKCAjwsMzzBRACEiwAx4lLG2ZFuj_gMQHs9ZJAvag57s6GTFgFkP_h1MRTRAk33p8lLLfqJe9p_xoCi8oQAvD_BwE#genesis-tour-de-fer-10-2020-bike-medium


It is 1KG lighter so will be faster if that your thing.
nilejackson19/03/2020 23:15

Great price - STEEL!!! Providing it’s maintained this bike will outlive us …Great price - STEEL!!! Providing it’s maintained this bike will outlive us all and yet you moan about the price. I presume you buy a muddyfox from the Argos each year at £120 and pretend it’s good value for money???


Steel may rust, titanium won't
It's quality steel for real cycists and I've had one five years now and toured most of Europe
Worth every penny for the memories and places you visit
How many holidays can you get for a grand?
sergiup20/03/2020 00:56

Steel may rust, titanium won't


But my point is £2k for a bike....
The difference between good steel and cheap steel muddy fox from argos is a new world.

Good steal from a good bike builder, will last forever and provide a very comfortable ride
Bad steel will rust very quickly while riding like a dog.

Some teaspoons are a quid for 8. Some are 50quid for 8, you don't possibly think they are the same Steel? Etc.
johnnystorm19/03/2020 23:39

You aren't a keen cyclist, we get it. Why click on the deal?


I don't wear lycra no... I have a genisis volent as and and ghost Kato so more of a casual cyclist... I just don't see how this justifies the price?
ItsFrazer20/03/2020 08:02

I don't wear lycra no... I have a genisis volent as and and ghost Kato so …I don't wear lycra no... I have a genisis volent as and and ghost Kato so more of a casual cyclist... I just don't see how this justifies the price?


It's a Reynolds 725 Frame made by a small company in small quantities. They aren't making money by selling in big volumes. Added to that the dynamo lights, and other touring fixtures all add to the cost.
Edited by: "johnnystorm" 20th Mar
rodman20/03/2020 00:49

It is 1KG lighter so will be faster if that your thing.


I make it the £200 cheaper '10' model is 1kg lighter and faster than the more expensive '20' model.
What are the big advantages of the '20' over the '10'? Thanks.
It's 1k!
Calaisjar20/03/2020 10:09

I make it the £200 cheaper '10' model is 1kg lighter and faster than the …I make it the £200 cheaper '10' model is 1kg lighter and faster than the more expensive '20' model.What are the big advantages of the '20' over the '10'? Thanks.


The drive train is a better quality and probably a wider range of ratios. It also has a dynamo lighting set up.
johnnystorm20/03/2020 13:21

The drive train is a better quality and probably a wider range of ratios. …The drive train is a better quality and probably a wider range of ratios. It also has a dynamo lighting set up.


So damn helpful, thank you!
ItsFrazer20/03/2020 08:02

I don't wear lycra no... I have a genisis volent as and and ghost Kato so …I don't wear lycra no... I have a genisis volent as and and ghost Kato so more of a casual cyclist... I just don't see how this justifies the price?


It justifies the price because some people (not everybody) think that this is a very good bike and because this seems to be a cheaper price to get it than many other places? Is any more explanation needed? I'm not sure it is...

Is this deal expired? Looks like it's £1499.99
Edited by: "EricHitchmo" 20th Mar
Alexcolvill20/03/2020 07:34

The difference between good steel and cheap steel muddy fox from argos is …The difference between good steel and cheap steel muddy fox from argos is a new world. Good steal from a good bike builder, will last forever and provide a very comfortable rideBad steel will rust very quickly while riding like a dog.Some teaspoons are a quid for 8. Some are 50quid for 8, you don't possibly think they are the same Steel? Etc.


Even the cheap steel frame bikes last forever in fact with the absence of any butting in the main triangle tubes they are likely stronger over the long term or at least more durable against crashes and falling over. Some of the Chinese factories now even for cheap bikes are using a 1040 steel which is close to the properties of chromoly in strength however these high carbon steels are difficult to weld so probably not as good for a touring bike because if you have an accident somewhere in the world maybe conventional welding won't work too well however that may be the same situation with this bike as I think Reynolds 725 is heat-treated 525 so will lose it's strength at the repair too. Many 1040 frames are welded by robots in China on very high volume production lines. High tensile steel can still be a very comfortable steel. I have a Trek where the main tubes are butted chromoly but the stays (the actual part of the frame that flexes most) are high tensile steel. I've always found steel typically more comfortable than aluminium, whatever the steel but it's a small difference compared to what the tyres can achieve in comfort.
Certainly tempting...but what would I tell my trusty almost 8 year old Triban 3? It hasn't failed me yet, especially since it became my touring steed in 2017

nilejackson19/03/2020 23:15

Great price - STEEL!!! Providing it’s maintained this bike will outlive us …Great price - STEEL!!! Providing it’s maintained this bike will outlive us all and yet you moan about the price. I presume you buy a muddyfox from the Argos each year at £120 and pretend it’s good value for money???


My Muddy Fox is over 20 years old and titanium - those new ones are sadly a classic case of someone buying a name and sticking it on junk.
Boopop20/03/2020 22:34

Certainly tempting...but what would I tell my trusty almost 8 year old …Certainly tempting...but what would I tell my trusty almost 8 year old Triban 3? It hasn't failed me yet, especially since it became my touring steed in 2017 [Image]


Decathlon bikes are probably the least ideal bikes for touring as they have the lowest weight limits of any major brand but there are lots of variables and of course luck. Most Triban bikes are rated to a total load of 100kg including the bike weight itself. Pretty much any bike can be used for touring, I remember reading of someone using a original Bickerton folding bike which I believe have very low weight limits for touring and they got away with it. If you are making a sensible informed purchase for a bike for touring then its good advice to check the total load rating of the bike so you don't risk the frame or more importantly forks failing while riding. Decathlon have probably had more frame recalls than any major brand, I think they had 4 years of one bike recalled because of collapsing frames and another bike had frame failures in their larger frames only, larger frames typically being used by heavier riders and larger frames typically can be weaker than smaller frames because of the longer lengths of tubing.

I've seen touring advice stated that if you don't do anything else you make sure your forks are steel to pretty much eliminate the risk of your forks collapsing and at least some warning before they do.

The bible for bike touring advice is this;


sjscycles.com/tho…pdf

Of course one person's touring can be very different to anothers, one might be travelling the world on poor quality roads and another may be very occasional light touring on good quality roads.

There is no doubt in my mind that this Genesis will be a far superior touring bike than a typical Decathlon/Btwin/Triban bike for most people for longer distance more exotic touring.
My Croix de Fer was solid. This is quite a bit of bike for the money. Hot
bonzobanana21/03/2020 10:04

Decathlon bikes are probably the least ideal bikes for touring as they …Decathlon bikes are probably the least ideal bikes for touring as they have the lowest weight limits of any major brand but there are lots of variables and of course luck. Most Triban bikes are rated to a total load of 100kg including the bike weight itself. Pretty much any bike can be used for touring, I remember reading of someone using a original Bickerton folding bike which I believe have very low weight limits for touring and they got away with it. If you are making a sensible informed purchase for a bike for touring then its good advice to check the total load rating of the bike so you don't risk the frame or more importantly forks failing while riding. Decathlon have probably had more frame recalls than any major brand, I think they had 4 years of one bike recalled because of collapsing frames and another bike had frame failures in their larger frames only, larger frames typically being used by heavier riders and larger frames typically can be weaker than smaller frames because of the longer lengths of tubing.I've seen touring advice stated that if you don't do anything else you make sure your forks are steel to pretty much eliminate the risk of your forks collapsing and at least some warning before they do.The bible for bike touring advice is this;http://www.sjscycles.com/thornpdf/thorn_mega_brochure.pdfOf course one person's touring can be very different to anothers, one might be travelling the world on poor quality roads and another may be very occasional light touring on good quality roads.There is no doubt in my mind that this Genesis will be a far superior touring bike than a typical Decathlon/Btwin/Triban bike for most people for longer distance more exotic touring.


Of course this Genesis bike would be better, but my T3 is in fine form currently and so far at least it's been perfectly adequate for touring in the UK. The front forks are actually carbon, but they've been designed for front panniers and have made a good addition to my setup vs the ones that came with it
So, this would be fitting for a low maintenance commuter then?
Bird6821/03/2020 12:04

So, this would be fitting for a low maintenance commuter then?


Yeah, Deore is pretty much the sweet spot for weight/function/reliability/Price. Factory fitted guards and racks will fit well and having a dynamo so your lights are always "charged" is a real boon. Touring tyres will err on the side of puncture resistance too.

Only other thing I'd add would be some RAW mudguard flaps (mudguards never seem to go low enough) and have some USB rechargable "flashing" lights for additional visibility.
Bird6821/03/2020 12:04

So, this would be fitting for a low maintenance commuter then?


Not really as it is a touring bike with everything for touring hence mountain bike gearing, front and rear racks and everything else adding weight to be laid on it and plod along.

As someone else has mentioned the croix de fer is possibly a better consideration as a commuter. Same frame, lighter, road groupset with hybrid hydraulic brakes on the 20 that can be had at £100 cheaper at this moment. That would cover a rear rack (If panniers wanted) and mud guards (a definite on a commuter). Have seen previous generation CDF 20 in sales at sub £800.
Edited by: "Bertz99" 22nd Mar
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