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This week, huge billboards – paid for by donations from over 20,000 38 Degrees members – are going up across the UK. We are making sure the public knows the truth about what doctors think of David Cameron's plans

Get your free NHS poster and a pack of leaflets to spread the message
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Ordered thanks OP, heat added.

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I have emailed all of my contacts with the link as well

If enough others do likewise we may get certain pig headed politicians to take note of the real message

Sad People get a life

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hukdireland

Sad People get a life


Nice that you joined especially to say that.

hukdireland

Sad People get a life



You should watch the film Sicko by Michael Moore.That is what could happen here in Britain if we don't save the NHS.Bit by bit it would become more privatised & more like healthcare in America.We do need to do something about it.

youtube.com/wat…ted

hukdireland

Sad People get a life



Talking about yourself presumably?

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Yet another doctor with opposing views
youtube.com/wat…ted
I cant remember any other health minister that has recieved such vociferous opposition.
But there is an absolute refusal to listen

This is not democracy.

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What the reforms will mean

A doctor explains
youtube.com/wat…kAU

hukdireland

Sad People get a life


Troll!

Nice work if you can get it. 50% + average pay rise for half the work you used to do, plus average £1.5M pension pot at the end. The more you get the less you want to give anything up.

hughwp

Nice work if you can get it. 50% + average pay rise for half the work … Nice work if you can get it. 50% + average pay rise for half the work you used to do, plus average £1.5M pension pot at the end. The more you get the less you want to give anything up.



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American speaking. You guys darn well better put these up pretty much everywhere. My neighbo[u]rhood is going to get deluged.

hukdireland

Sad People get a life



Yeah sad people do get a life also

Not got anywhere to display these myself, so I won't waste their resources and order them, but in full agreement with the campaign and heat added as it's raising awareness. Hopefully there won't be too many 'it's free so I'll order it. What is it anyway?' people ordering this and binning them when they realise they can't eat it - these posters and leaflets do cost money so please don't waste them!

apesvc3

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It's what doctors have got to moan about,
Don't understand it what is a 38degrees member

great campaign, have ordered my posters. have used the 38 degrees website many times to email my MP- it is very quick and simple and really makes a difference. speak up!

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Rally to save the NHS
Westminister Central Hall
youtube.com/wat…lcp
There are many videos from speakers at the event to view. NHS workers who supposedly support the changes. Listen and make up your own mind if its true

A shameful example of putting party politics above the needs of patients ..... our NHS is just about to be trashed.

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chesso

A shameful example of putting party politics above the needs of patients … A shameful example of putting party politics above the needs of patients ..... our NHS is just about to be trashed.


Agree completely.
I hope the libdems vote to drop the bill.
If anyone is in doubt about the way the medical profession views these reforms please watch some of the videos from the saveournhs rally.
youtube.com/wat…ted
This is just one of the speakers

Make sure you tell others.

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hughwp

It's what doctors have got to moan about, Don't understand it what is a … It's what doctors have got to moan about, Don't understand it what is a 38degrees member


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Re the LibDem conference vote (from The Guardian guardian.co.uk/pol…lth )

4.04pm: In the comments mrkinkladze asked about the voting figures in the ballot to decide the motion for debate tomorrow morning.

Here are the figures.
First round
Justice and security green paper - 32
The Shirley Williams health motion - 246
Syria - 50
The rebel "drop the bill" health motion - 270

But the Lib Dems use STV in this ballot and the votes for the two least popular motions - the green paper and Syria - were redistributed. After that, the Shirley Williams motion won.

The Shirley Williams health motion - 309
The rebel "drop the bill" health motion - 280

If this had been a first past the post election, the rebels would have won.

The intro quoted in this Ben Goldacre article is a good summing up of how messed up this legislation is:

bengoldacre.posterous.com/wha…e-w

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The thing that worries me is that the politicians have already started to say things such as free at the point of need.

That just leads me to consider that its a similar phrase used with the students. But they are having to take out huge loans now.

It really annoys me that the BBC (supposedly impartial), is either not reporting NHS news events or is suggesting that the bill has been passed with each of their reports.
At the moment there is still a chance that the LibDems could vote down the Shirley Williams motion. I, and many others, are hoping for that.
Dear old Shirl is proving to be as much of a turncoat as Nick. Cant be trusted at all

eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/
Edited by: "WoolyM" 11th Mar 2012

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OMG

I would love to know if steps such as this were taken with ANY previous health ministers hospital visits
eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/201…tml

What's really messed up about this is that it's near impossible that the coalition leaders actually believe their own arguments. It's quite clear that this is a sell-off. It was never about arguments, only about whether they could be stopped or not. They know that we know this. Horrible.

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Chia

What's really messed up about this is that it's near impossible that the … What's really messed up about this is that it's near impossible that the coalition leaders actually believe their own arguments. It's quite clear that this is a sell-off. It was never about arguments, only about whether they could be stopped or not. They know that we know this. Horrible.


Should be rebadged the great NHS sell off.

Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined something of this scale

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Nothing on the news again this morning. It would be easy for the general public to think this was a fuss about nothing.
So here are some links from a variety of sources so people might become aware how much is not being reported or is being misreported.
Its your NHS that is being threatened. Spread the word. Tweet, phone, email, shout, scream..... Tell people we cannot lose the NHS.
telegraph.co.uk/hea…tml

twitter.com/!/search/%23NHSbill

youtube.com/wat…lpp

abetternhs.wordpress.com/nhs…te/

abetternhs.wordpress.com/201…nf/

Please forward these links and paste any other useful ones.

It's what happens when you put conservatives in power, they want to privatise everything

i use private healthcare, wouldnt touch the nhs with a bargepole, hope it sinks without a trace

shadowdogg

It's what happens when you put conservatives in power, they want to … It's what happens when you put conservatives in power, they want to privatise everything



and its exactly what i voted for, the less spending the better.

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c220763

i use private healthcare, wouldnt touch the nhs with a bargepole, hope it … i use private healthcare, wouldnt touch the nhs with a bargepole, hope it sinks without a trace


Some 'interesting' points made here
youtube.com/wat…ted

This is a deal site, not a politics site.

Do this somewhere else, what the hell are you lot on here for.
Dont care for any politics but from what I see this is just point scoring from the crappy politicians (and naive socialist/wanna be anachists) who got us into this mess in the first place and just want to get back into power/higher wage/better pension plan and jump onto any bandwagon they think will give them a 1% gain in some crappy poll THAT YOU CANT DO SOD ALL WITH TILL NEXT ELECTION IN 4 YEARS TIME. Grow up get on with your life and put some proper deals on here. AND HOPE THEY PRIVATISE THE LOT cos nationalisation works so much better!!!
Oh Aye whilst on a bleeding rant got 2 daughters going to University and damm right they should pay WHEN and IF and only IF they get A BETTER JOB. You bunch of lazy "please let someone else pay for my education, health, drinking money, pot smoking" spongers.

Point of this site is to safe money make deals not some crap like this.

Gunna order as many posters as I can and use to wipe my Ar** and waste the money. Hell sound like a true politician now.

Saying this isn't democracy, hilarious, people voted for the Conservatives hence why they're now in Government. If you voted Liberal you're daft anyway - look where Clegg's priorities are, not with the poor people but instead with constitutional reform to keep himself in a job such as an Elected Lords and AV Referendum.

I don't understand why people think frontline doctors (with medical qualifications) running the NHS instead of uneducated civil servants (that spend longer striking or on their breaks than they do actually working) running the NHS from Whitehall is a bad idea. You talk about the vested interest of politicians in Private Healthcare, but noone has mentioned the vested interest of the doctors, in that they don't want to do anymore work (they are also funded by the taxpayer and have massive salaries and pensions?). To me it's obvious, if a private company can do it cheaper and better then why not let them? The ambulances up here are run by a private company, still an excellent service and provides a massive saving - meaning that they can spend extra money on essential things such as cancer drugs.

Edited by: "dan394" 12th Mar 2012

c220763

i use private healthcare, wouldnt touch the nhs with a bargepole, hope it … i use private healthcare, wouldnt touch the nhs with a bargepole, hope it sinks without a trace



Nice of you to think of only yourself, how about you live in America where they don't give a damn about you unless you got dosh.
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