GRUNDIG GTN38250MGCB 8 kg Heat Pump Tumble Dryer - Black  A++ 5 year Guarantee - £404 @ Currys
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GRUNDIG GTN38250MGCB 8 kg Heat Pump Tumble Dryer - Black A++ 5 year Guarantee - £404 @ Currys

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Posted 28th May
This has been reduced and with the voucher code LKA10A, takes off 10% extra to £404 and comes with 5 year guarantee.

Voucher code can also be used on other tumble dryers too. Much better for the environment than standard tumble dryers and should last well.

Also 2% through Topcashback
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TJS27118228/05/2019 13:29

Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw …Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw (that’s how they achieve the A++ rating) over a longer period of time therefore using the same/similar amount of energy and taking way longer to achieve dry fabric. Makes sense on a commercial scale but not in a domestic environment. Lots of info on these online.


I upgraded from a B-rated Zanussi dryer to an A+++ rated Blomberg heat pump a few months ago and found that the heat pump is actually faster than the ordinary condenser was. According to my smartmeter it also uses about 25-30% of the electricity and is saving me approx £1 per week with an average of 3 loads per week. Heat pumps are cool. Sorry.
It's true. When heat pump tumble dryers first came out, the savings versus the additional increased outlay were marginal. The tumble dryer market has changed significantly in the last few years. It has now been realised that cheap ventilated tumble dryers (whilst slightly more efficient than condenser dryers) were pumping heat out from peoples' homes in the winter when they were more likely to be used, increasing home heating costs. There are barely any 'traditional' vented tumble dryers left on the market now. When comparing heat pump to condenser dryers the savings are significant and the purchase costs are almost on a par. If you have a suitable site, a gas heated tumble dryer is still the least expensive to run even if you take into account the home heat pumped out through the vent. The downsides are that there is only one (British) manufacturer of gas tumble dryers, so choice is very limited and they do not use less energy; they just cost less to run because gas is cheaper than electricity per kWh.
After switching from a vented dryer to a heat pump dryer our electric bill has reduced by around £20 a month and it seems to be quicker if anything and the clothes are noticeable softer.Really pleased we switched.
TJS27118228/05/2019 13:29

Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw …Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw (that’s how they achieve the A++ rating) over a longer period of time therefore using the same/similar amount of energy and taking way longer to achieve dry fabric. Makes sense on a commercial scale but not in a domestic environment. Lots of info on these online.


My understanding is as per EU 392/2012 Annex VII the rating is calculated and based on "the weighted annual energy consumption...for the standard cotton programme at full and partial load..."

So it doesn't matter how long it takes. It's a standard load and how much energy it takes to complete the drying...
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Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw (that’s how they achieve the A++ rating) over a longer period of time therefore using the same/similar amount of energy and taking way longer to achieve dry fabric.


Makes sense on a commercial scale but not in a domestic environment.

Lots of info on these online.
TJS27118228/05/2019 13:29

Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw …Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw (that’s how they achieve the A++ rating) over a longer period of time therefore using the same/similar amount of energy and taking way longer to achieve dry fabric. Makes sense on a commercial scale but not in a domestic environment. Lots of info on these online.


Thanks. If it has an A ++ rating (lower energy over a longer period of time), shouldn't this still be less energy in total consumed to achieve the rating?
TJS27118228/05/2019 13:29

Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw …Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw (that’s how they achieve the A++ rating) over a longer period of time therefore using the same/similar amount of energy and taking way longer to achieve dry fabric. Makes sense on a commercial scale but not in a domestic environment. Lots of info on these online.


My understanding is as per EU 392/2012 Annex VII the rating is calculated and based on "the weighted annual energy consumption...for the standard cotton programme at full and partial load..."

So it doesn't matter how long it takes. It's a standard load and how much energy it takes to complete the drying...
This seems to be 8kg version. I bought 9kg version and my wife would miss it more than she would miss me if I left and took it with me...one of those irreplaceable appliances especially up here in Scotland.
Edited by: "Alllfff" 28th May
Alllfff28/05/2019 13:43

My understanding is as per EU 392/2012 Annex VII the rating is calculated …My understanding is as per EU 392/2012 Annex VII the rating is calculated and based on "the weighted annual energy consumption...for the standard cotton programme at full and partial load..." So it doesn't matter how long it takes. It's a standard load and how much energy it takes to complete the drying...


So logically you would be better off with an A rated machine (high powered element) that will get your clothes dryer faster and uses approx the same amount of energy per load? I guess if you don’t mind waiting hours for a load to dry it’s slightly better for the environment.
TJS27118228/05/2019 13:55

So logically you would be better off with an A rated machine (high powered …So logically you would be better off with an A rated machine (high powered element) that will get your clothes dryer faster and uses approx the same amount of energy per load? I guess if you don’t mind waiting hours for a load to dry it’s slightly better for the environment.


No, these numbers are not calculated but as an example A+++ will cost £50 a year to run, while A+ will cost £70 to run drying the same amount. Again, time to achieve the result has nothing to do with the rating. Just clothes volume and energy consumption.
TJS27118228/05/2019 13:29

Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw …Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw (that’s how they achieve the A++ rating) over a longer period of time therefore using the same/similar amount of energy and taking way longer to achieve dry fabric. Makes sense on a commercial scale but not in a domestic environment. Lots of info on these online.


I upgraded from a B-rated Zanussi dryer to an A+++ rated Blomberg heat pump a few months ago and found that the heat pump is actually faster than the ordinary condenser was. According to my smartmeter it also uses about 25-30% of the electricity and is saving me approx £1 per week with an average of 3 loads per week. Heat pumps are cool. Sorry.
similar model GTN38250HGF gets a best buy 72% on which, but it's a slow, noisy dryer.
TJS27118228/05/2019 13:29

Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw …Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw (that’s how they achieve the A++ rating) over a longer period of time therefore using the same/similar amount of energy and taking way longer to achieve dry fabric. Makes sense on a commercial scale but not in a domestic environment. Lots of info on these online.


I don't believe this is the case. Heat pump driers take heat from the environment (like ASHP's and air con units do) and then recycle the heat used and therefore ARE more efficient overall and it's the total amount of energy used that determines the energy rating:-
beko.co.uk/sup…yer
Edited by: "UKBFG" 28th May
TJS27118228/05/2019 13:55

So logically you would be better off with an A rated machine (high powered …So logically you would be better off with an A rated machine (high powered element) that will get your clothes dryer faster and uses approx the same amount of energy per load? I guess if you don’t mind waiting hours for a load to dry it’s slightly better for the environment.


You've misunderstood. It's the total energy used regardless of time that determines the rating, so a better rated appliance WILL use less energy and be cheaper to run.
Edited by: "UKBFG" 28th May
Heat pumps are cheaper and more efficient, but can be more unreliable and troublesome generally, so this having the 5 year guarantee is well worth having (Just make sure you register for it and keep the details safe). Good deal!

P.S. Grundig's are a brand owned and produced by Beko, which I've always found to be pretty good and reliable:-
bekoplc.com/our…ig/
Edited by: "UKBFG" 28th May
TJS27118228/05/2019 13:29

Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw …Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw (that’s how they achieve the A++ rating) over a longer period of time therefore using the same/similar amount of energy and taking way longer to achieve dry fabric. Makes sense on a commercial scale but not in a domestic environment. Lots of info on these online.


Absolute codswallop. Yes they take longer but use far less kW. Heat pump will likely use half the amount of energy per load over a comparable condenser or vented dryer.

Check the specs yourself. Typically heat pump dryer will use around 2.15kw per load v a condenser that will likely use over 5kw per load.

Heat pump dryers are safer too since they don't use an element. When the element comes into contact with lint it can potentially cause a fire hence why Hotpoint had all those problems a couple years back but truth be told it is an Inheritant design flaw of condenser/vented dryers.

You may never recoup your initial outlay but they're worth it imo. They're also kinder to your clothes as they don't get as hot as a condenser/vented machine does. So they do have there advantages.
UKBFG28/05/2019 14:32

I don't believe this is the case. Heat pump driers take heat from the …I don't believe this is the case. Heat pump driers take heat from the environment (like ASHP's and air con units do) and then recycle the heat used and therefore ARE more efficient overall and it's the total amount of energy used that determines the energy rating:-https://www.beko.co.uk/support/faqs/tumble-dryers/differences-between-heat-pump-and-condenser-dryer


You are right about ASHP and Aircons, but i think heat pump driers don't take ambient heat, they just reuse the heat from the drying through condensation and evaporation cycles using heat exchangers and compressor, not ambient heat exchangers...
I may be wrong as per @.MUFC. comment, but i think its a cycle started at an electrical heating element like all the other types of driers, it just recycles the heat and keeps it much better

youtube.com/wat…wt0
Edited by: "Alllfff" 28th May
Alllfff28/05/2019 15:00

You are right about ASHP and Aircons, but i think heat pump driers don't …You are right about ASHP and Aircons, but i think heat pump driers don't take ambient heat, they just reuse the heat from the drying through condensation and evaporation cycles using heat exchangers and compressor, not ambient heat exchangers...I may be wrong as per @.MUFC. comment, but i think its a cycle started at an electrical heating element like all the other types of driers, it just recycles the heat and keeps it much betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWqNmOLHwt0


It works similar to a fridge and uses heat from the compressor.
Alllfff28/05/2019 15:00

You are right about ASHP and Aircons, but i think heat pump driers don't …You are right about ASHP and Aircons, but i think heat pump driers don't take ambient heat, they just reuse the heat from the drying through condensation and evaporation cycles using heat exchangers and compressor, not ambient heat exchangers...I may be wrong as per @.MUFC. comment, but i think its a cycle started at an electrical heating element like all the other types of driers, it just recycles the heat and keeps it much betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWqNmOLHwt0


This comment from Beko suggests they don't have an element, so I assumed they were grabbing existing heat, but sounds like it actually comes from the compressor.

Either way, they don't don't have an element and are more efficient.
TJS27118228/05/2019 16:08

Worth reading! If you planning on buying this type of machine, rather than …Worth reading! If you planning on buying this type of machine, rather than taking manufactures information at face value. ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buying-advice/tumble-dryers/3845-are-heat-pump-dryers-worth-it


That article was written in 2014 and is basing it's advice on a heat pump machine that costs £800 versus a conventional one that costs £380 :-

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The deal here costs £404 and comes with a 5 year guarantee. Things have obviously moved on a bit!
TJS27118228/05/2019 16:08

Worth reading! If you planning on buying this type of machine, rather than …Worth reading! If you planning on buying this type of machine, rather than taking manufactures information at face value. ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buying-advice/tumble-dryers/3845-are-heat-pump-dryers-worth-it


And no further comments about your earlier misleading false claims, that even your own outdated evidence disproves?
UKBFG28/05/2019 16:06

This comment from Beko suggests they don't have an element, so I assumed …This comment from Beko suggests they don't have an element, so I assumed they were grabbing existing heat, but sounds like it actually comes from the compressor. Either way, they don't don't have an element and are more efficient.


The heating doesn't "come" from compressor. The refrigerant (in this case 0.53kg of R134a) is just compressed and since pressure, temperature and volume are related proportionally it gets warmer. ie refrigeration cycle. So the heat recycling is done by basically heat recovery through refrigeration cycle. And yes you are right doesn't seem to have heating element so the initial heat must be from ambient.

But we are waaaaaay too deep into physics for my HUKD standards.
After switching from a vented dryer to a heat pump dryer our electric bill has reduced by around £20 a month and it seems to be quicker if anything and the clothes are noticeable softer.Really pleased we switched.
It's true. When heat pump tumble dryers first came out, the savings versus the additional increased outlay were marginal. The tumble dryer market has changed significantly in the last few years. It has now been realised that cheap ventilated tumble dryers (whilst slightly more efficient than condenser dryers) were pumping heat out from peoples' homes in the winter when they were more likely to be used, increasing home heating costs. There are barely any 'traditional' vented tumble dryers left on the market now. When comparing heat pump to condenser dryers the savings are significant and the purchase costs are almost on a par. If you have a suitable site, a gas heated tumble dryer is still the least expensive to run even if you take into account the home heat pumped out through the vent. The downsides are that there is only one (British) manufacturer of gas tumble dryers, so choice is very limited and they do not use less energy; they just cost less to run because gas is cheaper than electricity per kWh.
89quidyoucantgowrong28/05/2019 19:51

It's true. When heat pump tumble dryers first came out, the savings versus …It's true. When heat pump tumble dryers first came out, the savings versus the additional increased outlay were marginal. The tumble dryer market has changed significantly in the last few years. It has now been realised that cheap ventilated tumble dryers (whilst slightly more efficient than condenser dryers) were pumping heat out from peoples' homes in the winter when they were more likely to be used, increasing home heating costs. There are barely any 'traditional' vented tumble dryers left on the market now. When comparing heat pump to condenser dryers the savings are significant and the purchase costs are almost on a par. If you have a suitable site, a gas heated tumble dryer is still the least expensive to run even if you take into account the home heat pumped out through the vent. The downsides are that there is only one (British) manufacturer of gas tumble dryers, so choice is very limited and they do not use less energy; they just cost less to run because gas is cheaper than electricity per kWh.


There are lots of vented dryers around. Which? have 164 dryer reviews of which 46 are vented, 72 are heat pump, 1 gas, and the rest are just listed as "condenser".

The White Knight gas dryer (from 2008) is more expensive to run than the best heat pump jobbies but gets good reviews. You need a gas-safe person to install it.
Good price but would never buy from Currys again.
TJS27118228/05/2019 13:29

Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw …Not necessarily better for the environment, they use less of a draw (that’s how they achieve the A++ rating) over a longer period of time therefore using the same/similar amount of energy and taking way longer to achieve dry fabric. Makes sense on a commercial scale but not in a domestic environment. Lots of info on these online.


That is not how the ratings are calculated nothing to do with the "draw"

The calculation is done on a per load basis and the time it take is not relevant at all.

(the actual calculations uses two different load sizes and the standby time when not drying)
kiddwizz28/05/2019 13:34

Thanks. If it has an A ++ rating (lower energy over a longer period of …Thanks. If it has an A ++ rating (lower energy over a longer period of time), shouldn't this still be less energy in total consumed to achieve the rating?


You can ignore the poster they don't understand how the rating are done.

you can look at the spec sheets for a kwh per load of a HP and a regular one with heater(vented or condenser) to see the cost per cycle.
Alllfff28/05/2019 15:00

You are right about ASHP and Aircons, but i think heat pump driers don't …You are right about ASHP and Aircons, but i think heat pump driers don't take ambient heat, they just reuse the heat from the drying through condensation and evaporation cycles using heat exchangers and compressor, not ambient heat exchangers...I may be wrong as per @.MUFC. comment, but i think its a cycle started at an electrical heating element like all the other types of driers, it just recycles the heat and keeps it much betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWqNmOLHwt0


There are models(Hybrids) that also have a heater to kickstart the process to overcome one of the complains HP take too long problem is they cost more to tun.

The regular ones just start with what's there.
When it comes to cost you really need to look t your washer and the spin efficiency(not speed) as some models leave a lot more moisture in your clothes and your TD needs to get that out, it can increase the cost of drying a load by 20%-30%

for those with the brains to understand how the ratings are done have a read.
eur-lex.europa.eu/leg…392
I have this machine in white £400 is great price.

the new hybrids are better but the price difference(unless on a good discount) makes payback too long, they can be quicker.
hotukdeals.com/dea…863


I did a payback comparison on these in that thread.

NOTE: These hybrids only give the low energy if you don't use the rapid drying heater.

if you want super economy without the convenience of hybrid(faster drying) then you may be better finding a good standard heat pump that should be cheaper.

For full loads on a 8kg machine rough guide to energy use based on grundig models
4.75kwh vented/condenser
1.96kwh HP
1.42 hybrid
2.33 hybrid(rapid mode)

payback per cycle
2.79 vented/condenser to heat pump
3.23 vented/condenser to hybrid
2.42 vented/condenser to hybrid(rapid)
0.50 HP to hybrid


NOTE these are kwh per cycle cycle time is not a factor.
GRUNDIG do not make anything, its a licensed brand name only. Who knows who really makes this, but they are clearly ashamed of their true status and brand otherwise why hide behind a defunked West Germany brand name.
To people who use dryers...doesn't it shrink your t shirts? When I used one as a student all my t shirts came up to my belly.
hugekebab31/05/2019 18:16

To people who use dryers...doesn't it shrink your t shirts? When I used …To people who use dryers...doesn't it shrink your t shirts? When I used one as a student all my t shirts came up to my belly.


I've had a few shrunk, not by this one as it's not arrvived yet but I tend to keep tops out and hang them in the airing cupboard.

Heat pump dryers work on a lower heat though so theoretically, less damage.
MisterNippy31/05/2019 17:13

GRUNDIG do not make anything, its a licensed brand name only. Who knows …GRUNDIG do not make anything, its a licensed brand name only. Who knows who really makes this, but they are clearly ashamed of their true status and brand otherwise why hide behind a defunked West Germany brand name.


As per my comment above, its owned by beko.
hugekebab31/05/2019 18:16

To people who use dryers...doesn't it shrink your t shirts? When I used …To people who use dryers...doesn't it shrink your t shirts? When I used one as a student all my t shirts came up to my belly.


We dry everything in ours and all fine. The heat pump ones use lower heat levels and are a bit gentler on clothes I think.
Lets face it Beko are a good budget brand but cannot be compared with a branded product.

Grunding are no longer a brand - it is just a label put on a Beko made machine to be able to charge more for a budget product.

You need to compare this price to a budget condensor tumble dryer if you are looking at price. It will need to be a £200 difference to be worth it in financial terms.

Alternatives to Beko will be Vestel products (which will probably be made by Vestel or Beko anyway) or any other non-branded product, although I would say Beko make the better of the budget white goods.
fiqqer31/05/2019 18:58

Lets face it Beko are a good budget brand but cannot be compared with a …Lets face it Beko are a good budget brand but cannot be compared with a branded product.Grunding are no longer a brand - it is just a label put on a Beko made machine to be able to charge more for a budget product.You need to compare this price to a budget condensor tumble dryer if you are looking at price. It will need to be a £200 difference to be worth it in financial terms. Alternatives to Beko will be Vestel products (which will probably be made by Vestel or Beko anyway) or any other non-branded product, although I would say Beko make the better of the budget white goods.


Beko are definitely a brand. They're lower end, but as good quality in my experience and as good as more expensive alternatives, maybe even better . And they back this up with a 5 year guarantee.
My Hotpoint condenser tumble dryer caught fire which was very scary experience. Therefore I will never buy a tumble dryer with a heating element as they eventually burn down your house. Bought this Grundig and it is excellent. It is actually faster and less noisier than Hotpoint. Also I'm not heating up my small utility room into sauna temperatures as a by product. It would be absolute madness to buy old style condenser dryer with a heating element
UKBFG31/05/2019 19:14

Beko are definitely a brand. They're lower end, but as good quality in my …Beko are definitely a brand. They're lower end, but as good quality in my experience and as good as more expensive alternatives, maybe even better . And they back this up with a 5 year guarantee.


I agree Beko are one of the better budget manufacturers.

Its a moot point if that is a brand. In this case they are not as they are making it under the Grundig label, so are probably making it under licence for Currys.

They make things under their own name so you may be better looking for something with the Beko label as they are likely to be made without the compromises required by Currys
They do come with the 5y warranty.
Think Beko plus.
They are clearly Beko as they share some of the same parts(and the product fiche tells you) with different styling.
UKBFG31/05/2019 18:21

As per my comment above, its owned by beko.


Then why hide behind the West German GRUNDIG brand ? If its BEKO, and they are proud of who they are then why not call it a BEKO, a brand everyone knows......this all seems devious to me. Even when I click on link the devious behaviour continues....with their video saying....."More from GRUNDIG". Its not from GRUNDIG, its from BEKO. It should say "More from BEKO" If its not made in a GRUNDIG factory then they should not be saying "more from GRUNDIG". I do not know how they get away with this misleading information. No where in the advert does it say GRUNDIG brand is used under licence by BEKO.
Edited by: "MisterNippy" 1st Jun
so misleading....

Grundig Customer Services
Beko plc
1 Greenhill Crescent
Watford
Herts, WD18 8QU


I would not buy this out of principle
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