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Refurbished, 1yr warranty, full suspension mountain electric bike!

This bike is awesome.

Battery lasts about 35 miles or about 90 minutes of riding on maximum.

ery comfortable bike to ride!
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If you want to convert a bike you already have i can highly recommend the bafang 750w mid drive motor kit! About £320 quid for everything you need bar the battery. The battery can also be picked up anywhere from £100 to £500 depending on the range you are after (i paid £270 for a 17 aH battery which can easily give me 60+ miles). The kits come with a thumb throttle which is a great help to get you going. None of this 15mph limit business either with the kit. Lets be honest, with pedal assist anyone that sees you going faster and pedling will think it's all you anyway
Edited by: "deadnheadless" 19th Aug 2018
Goodbye cheap innovative DIY-able Chinese electric bicycles with great range... Hello boring overpriced £6k European bikes with crappy range, tiny batteries.

Anyone interested in ebikes, I advise you get your ebike deals whilst you can & read up on the new 83% e-bike tax!

This shockingly exorbitant 83% 'anti-dumping' tax, has just been slapped on anyone looking to import one of these economical, non-polluting vehicles in an attempt to destroy the market for cheaper Chinese built bikes, forcing consumers to use often everpriced EU manufacturers.

The EU (In which Germany are disproportionately powerful) have been "lobbied" (wined, dined and bribed) by anti-competitive (& purley coincidentally, German) companies like Bosch who want to corner the market for just a few manufacturers with the money to pay for the game to be fixed in their favour.

Cheap ebikes will probably soon be a thing of the past, with no competition from China they can let prices creep back up to thousands for their boring, poorly specced, overpriced machines. Bosch, a fortune 500 company with a €78.0 billion turnover in 2017 are telling us they can't compete with some much smaller Chinese companies and need to resort to protectionism? I don't buy it, all the innovation is coming from China (check out bikes like the Sur-Ron!), not Germany and that's what's got them running back to mummy Merkel to suckle on her EU teet. Anyone who has an interest in the industry can see that the allegations of the Chinese subsidising ebikes is total nonsense, manufacturers are making modest profits on what they produce and that hasn't changed, there is no dumping no subsidising prices, it's the corrupt EU and the corrupt European Bicycle Manufacturers Association (EBMA) joining forces to sell the public pure lies.

I think it's such a sad thing, this short sighted protectionism by the EU. E-bikes have the potential for so much societal benefit, they allow people who perhaps can't afford to run a car to travel further and for cheaper, opening up job opportunities that were not possible before, poorer families who need 2 cars or rely on expensive public transport can decrease their spending very significantly by switching to 1 or maybe even 2 e-bikes, increasing their quality of life, helping them save a little or clear debts a bit faster, plus there's no carcinogenic pollution being belched out into our and our children's lungs causing random genetic mutations, burdening health services, or contributing to global warming for the planet that we will leave them to grow up on, the financial cost of that as we all know is almost incomprehensible.

Ebikes are treading on too many powerful toes, the same type of powerful crusty greedy old parasites that always drag society down, want you spending unnecessary money buying big expensive complicated unreliable, disposable german cars and burning expensive fossil fuels, and being trapped in debt. They don't want the balance tipped in the public's favour, even a little. So the stage was already primed for a few greedy EU politicians and the EBMA with their big brother Bosch to make a modest backhander and keep all the market for themselves at the expense of EU citizens.

So wave goodbye to cheap e-bikes, they will go back to being hobby toys for those with the money. Personally I'm writing to my politician about it I feel that strongly, of course I'd recommend doing so if you feel that way. And I'm never going to support European manufacturers until they deserve it, so my next ebike import will incur around £2000 in tax.
DevK18/08/2018 22:37

Anyone know if twist & go electric bikes are still available? i.e. the …Anyone know if twist & go electric bikes are still available? i.e. the ones which give you full drive without peddling?Or is it now only pedal assist bikes that are available?


the law was changed in jan 2016, full throttle ebikes (not pedal assist), are classed as motorised vehicles and as such require tax, insurance, licence, motorcycle helmet etc. limited throttle of 6km (3.7 mph), is allowed to get you going but its basically a walk mode to help you when you are pushing it.
full throttle is allowed if bike was purchased and imported before 2016, however aftermarket kits are available on online auction sites (you know the ones) and some similar chinese sites. some ebike shops can supply and fit them for you.
i personally think throttle is a good option, i know people who rely on them due to knee injury or cannot use a regular bike for some other reason. with a top speed of 15.5 mph its crazy to class these as motor vehicles.
the more people who ride bikes the better.
it makes people fitter, help reduce obesity, better for the environment, massively reduce traffic so people who need to drive can get to their destination faster rather than sitting in traffic, crazy how the government spend billions building underground and spend next to nothing encouraging people to find alternative transport. cycling should be safe and secure (from theft).
cycling was the main form of transport in developing countries like china, millions of bikes but it worked. china now has more cars than almost anyone else and everyone just sit in traffic getting angry, journey times have increased and pollution is some of the worst in the world.
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Full suspension???
dannycouzens74 m ago

Full suspension???


If u use ur legs/knees
The seat post being classed as rear suspension
if if you take a dump in you shorts that will also offer some additional travel......until it slides down your leg.

in fairness though, it’s a pretty good bike for the money, most look like granny mobiles for less than a grand.
Anyone know if twist & go electric bikes are still available? i.e. the ones which give you full drive without peddling?

Or is it now only pedal assist bikes that are available?
Picked up one of there "sport" e-bikes which is essentially a hybrid and was also a refurb. There were a few scuffs but certain things like the tyres, pedal and handlebar looked brand new.

For the electric bike itself, it's great, really like how it works. The sport is single speed with a carbon chain which complemented the idea of an e-bike as it got you up to the max speed that the electric was allowed to take ya which is 15mph. You then didn't have the added gears like with this mountain bike has to get you around faster.

The battery is easy to remove, carry and charge too. The only thing I would be worried about is the quality of this as a mountain bike, not sure what gtech are like are building off-roaders so maybe check out some reviews first.
stopped riding my full-suss bike , i stopped the right 10 year ago!..
it rides plush .like you don't have any bronco!
the thudbuster travels in a parallelogram in its arc of travel , butter at all...
in a bit disconcerting compared to tradition rear sear suspension with simply want to "boink" "boink".
.with thudbuster each you hit a ramp, as swing down to take bit and swing back up in readiness for the hit . sorry you've got to ride to see what i am on about.
👇
Edited by: "darklight" 19th Aug 2018
DevK36 m ago

Anyone know if twist & go electric bikes are still available? i.e. the …Anyone know if twist & go electric bikes are still available? i.e. the ones which give you full drive without peddling?Or is it now only pedal assist bikes that are available?


These are illegal in the UK unless registered as a moped.
DevK18/08/2018 22:37

Anyone know if twist & go electric bikes are still available? i.e. the …Anyone know if twist & go electric bikes are still available? i.e. the ones which give you full drive without peddling?Or is it now only pedal assist bikes that are available?


the law was changed in jan 2016, full throttle ebikes (not pedal assist), are classed as motorised vehicles and as such require tax, insurance, licence, motorcycle helmet etc. limited throttle of 6km (3.7 mph), is allowed to get you going but its basically a walk mode to help you when you are pushing it.
full throttle is allowed if bike was purchased and imported before 2016, however aftermarket kits are available on online auction sites (you know the ones) and some similar chinese sites. some ebike shops can supply and fit them for you.
i personally think throttle is a good option, i know people who rely on them due to knee injury or cannot use a regular bike for some other reason. with a top speed of 15.5 mph its crazy to class these as motor vehicles.
the more people who ride bikes the better.
it makes people fitter, help reduce obesity, better for the environment, massively reduce traffic so people who need to drive can get to their destination faster rather than sitting in traffic, crazy how the government spend billions building underground and spend next to nothing encouraging people to find alternative transport. cycling should be safe and secure (from theft).
cycling was the main form of transport in developing countries like china, millions of bikes but it worked. china now has more cars than almost anyone else and everyone just sit in traffic getting angry, journey times have increased and pollution is some of the worst in the world.
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darklight2 m ago

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nice build, i like the lefty fork.
DevK55 m ago

Anyone know if twist & go electric bikes are still available? i.e. the …Anyone know if twist & go electric bikes are still available? i.e. the ones which give you full drive without peddling?Or is it now only pedal assist bikes that are available?


I wouldn't worry about the lack of throttles now....
The first Ekit i fitted to a bike had a throttle and i never bothered fitting the pedelec sensor. Then after about a year or so, i fitted the pedelec sensor just to see what it was like.
I've never used the throttle on it since. Having the power cut in as you pedal is much better and feels more natural on a bike.I've since bought a Raleigh ready made Ebike and wouldn't want a throttle on it..... although they do have walk along throttles for if you need to walk the bike home due to a puncture or chain snapping or some other prob that would stop you riding it.
If you want to convert a bike you already have i can highly recommend the bafang 750w mid drive motor kit! About £320 quid for everything you need bar the battery. The battery can also be picked up anywhere from £100 to £500 depending on the range you are after (i paid £270 for a 17 aH battery which can easily give me 60+ miles). The kits come with a thumb throttle which is a great help to get you going. None of this 15mph limit business either with the kit. Lets be honest, with pedal assist anyone that sees you going faster and pedling will think it's all you anyway
Edited by: "deadnheadless" 19th Aug 2018
deadnheadless19/08/2018 00:40

If you want to convert a bike you already have i can highly recommend the …If you want to convert a bike you already have i can highly recommend the bafang 750w mid drive motor kit! About £320 quid for everything you need bar the battery. The battery can also be picked up anywhere from £100 to £500 depending on the range you are after (i paid £270 for a 17 amp battery which can easily give me 60+ miles). The kits come with a thumb throttle which is a great help to get you going. None of this 15mph limit business either with the kit. Lets be honest, with pedal assist anyone that sees you going faster and pedling will think it's all you anyway


Can you recommend a seller for both the kit and battery.
Been looking into something similar but interested in the bbshd 48v 1000w system.
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This is mine 5 years old volt bikes pulse and still going strong
real saving this! £1899 new price
I have one of these. Lovely bike. Well worth a grand.
Does it smell?
ifitsfreeitsmine10 h, 52 m ago

the law was changed in jan 2016, full throttle ebikes (not pedal assist), …the law was changed in jan 2016, full throttle ebikes (not pedal assist), are classed as motorised vehicles and as such require tax, insurance, licence, motorcycle helmet etc. limited throttle of 6km (3.7 mph), is allowed to get you going but its basically a walk mode to help you when you are pushing it. full throttle is allowed if bike was purchased and imported before 2016, however aftermarket kits are available on online auction sites (you know the ones) and some similar chinese sites. some ebike shops can supply and fit them for you. i personally think throttle is a good option, i know people who rely on them due to knee injury or cannot use a regular bike for some other reason. with a top speed of 15.5 mph its crazy to class these as motor vehicles. the more people who ride bikes the better. it makes people fitter, help reduce obesity, better for the environment, massively reduce traffic so people who need to drive can get to their destination faster rather than sitting in traffic, crazy how the government spend billions building underground and spend next to nothing encouraging people to find alternative transport. cycling should be safe and secure (from theft). cycling was the main form of transport in developing countries like china, millions of bikes but it worked. china now has more cars than almost anyone else and everyone just sit in traffic getting angry, journey times have increased and pollution is some of the worst in the world.


Commute time is easily the biggest factor there in my opinion. I go about a mile and a half through manchester city centre, Google says it takes 11 minutes by bike or 8 minutes by car with no traffic, rising to 20 minutes at rush hour. I'm moving to the outskirts and my commute will get longer, now it's 40 minutes by bike or 20 by car with no traffic. Rush hour it's 1 hour 10 minutes by car.

If I can use an ebike kit to raise my average speed that'll only help the bike's rush hour advantage. As an added bonus I should arrive at work less sweaty.
All sold. OOS.
dannycouzens718/08/2018 22:16

Full suspension???



Luckily it isn't - much better off without it for most purposes.
Edited by: "ArthurDent1" 19th Aug 2018
ArthurDent119/08/2018 10:58

Luckily it isn't - much better off without it for most purposes.


Absolutely be a waste of a electric motor on a full suspension. Only time you need a full suspension is for downhill riding. These kids crack me up bobling up and down on the road killing their legs in the meantime.
dannycouzens719/08/2018 11:04

Absolutely be a waste of a electric motor on a full suspension. Only time …Absolutely be a waste of a electric motor on a full suspension. Only time you need a full suspension is for downhill riding. These kids crack me up bobling up and down on the road killing their legs in the meantime.


By killing there legs you mean putting in a bit of effort ? Perish the thought.
dannycouzens719/08/2018 11:04

Absolutely be a waste of a electric motor on a full suspension. Only time …Absolutely be a waste of a electric motor on a full suspension. Only time you need a full suspension is for downhill riding. These kids crack me up bobling up and down on the road killing their legs in the meantime.


Why would it be a waste? They make downhill bikes with electric motors now so they can spend less time cycling up the runs. What a weird sweeping statement you made.
kramer20881 h, 22 m ago

By killing there legs you mean putting in a bit of effort ? Perish the …By killing there legs you mean putting in a bit of effort ? Perish the thought.


Putting in extra effort! As the full suspension takes all the movement out. I'm not for or against electric bikes each to there own but I do know spending a little more money on a light weight bike with just fork or no suspension makes riding all the easier and more enjoyable
Edited by: "DannyCouzens" 19th Aug 2018
Liam_D19/08/2018 12:50

Why would it be a waste? They make downhill bikes with electric motors now …Why would it be a waste? They make downhill bikes with electric motors now so they can spend less time cycling up the runs. What a weird sweeping statement you made.


Imo a electric motor in downhill riding is a waste. I'm a keen downhill rider with years of experience and anyone I bike with will tell you the same. I assume the people you do it with like the electric motor I don't see the fitness gain from it. Electric bikes are good for the elderly unfit and anyone with a ongoing injury. For the rest of us it's pedal power.
dannycouzens716 m ago

Imo a electric motor in downhill riding is a waste. I'm a keen downhill …Imo a electric motor in downhill riding is a waste. I'm a keen downhill rider with years of experience and anyone I bike with will tell you the same. I assume the people you do it with like the electric motor I don't see the fitness gain from it. Electric bikes are good for the elderly unfit and anyone with a ongoing injury. For the rest of us it's pedal power.


Valid points for sure, but from first hand experience having an electric motor can cut the ascent time down two-thirds. If you've got a short amount of time to get some runs in then the riders with electrically assisted bikes are going to get more runs!
Battery don't last very long using them uphill and to be honest from what I've seen they don't like mud or water. But there are pros and cons and a each to their own.
ifitsfreeitsmine19/08/2018 00:52

Can you recommend a seller for both the kit and battery.Been looking into …Can you recommend a seller for both the kit and battery.Been looking into something similar but interested in the bbshd 48v 1000w system.



You are better off keeping an eye on both ebay and aliexpress. Just search for what you are after and look who has the offers on, the battery i picked up should have been £350, but the sellers always have special offers on A lot of the sellers ship from the EU as well so no worry about an additional tax bill.

aliexpress.com/ite…B=0

Thats the type i went for but with a higher Ah so i could go longer between rechargers.
deadnheadless19/08/2018 14:05

You are better off keeping an eye on both ebay and aliexpress. Just …You are better off keeping an eye on both ebay and aliexpress. Just search for what you are after and look who has the offers on, the battery i picked up should have been £350, but the sellers always have special offers on A lot of the sellers ship from the EU as well so no worry about an additional tax bill.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/US-EU-No-Tax-Down-tube-eBike-Battery-48V-10AH-Lithium-Battery-500W-48V-Electric-Bike/32845209012.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.301.6bda2bf3jN7Fms&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10151_10065_10344_10130_10068_10342_10547_10343_10340_10548_10341_10696_10192_10190_10084_10083_10618_10307_10820_10301_10821_10303_10059_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_449,searchweb201603_56,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=02d10e6f-b9ed-4062-864b-6484b3ca69e9-43&algo_pvid=02d10e6f-b9ed-4062-864b-6484b3ca69e9&transAbTest=ae803_1&priceBeautifyAB=0Thats the type i went for but with a higher Ah so i could go longer between rechargers.


thanks for the link.
i already own several ebikes but fancy getting a bafang kit to retro fit on one of my regular bikes for more power, speed and range than shop bought bikes. i like the idea of having several batteries for really long multi day rides.
whats your experience with your kit?
i hear the bbshd (3), is more reliable than the 01 and 02 versions. what sort of range do you get with your kit at various power settings and whats the maximum speed do you get, also what bike did you install uour kit on?
cheers
a good electric bike is amazing downhill,
(mid drive motors and centrally low mounted batteries) . the added weight that is balanced and low makes tracking a blast.
dannycouzens719/08/2018 13:18

Battery don't last very long using them uphill and to be honest from what …Battery don't last very long using them uphill and to be honest from what I've seen they don't like mud or water. But there are pros and cons and a each to their own.


my ebike gets caked in mud, always gets hosed off with alot of water (not pressure washed), never had a problem and before anyone ask, no my house havent burnt down in the middle of the night whilst charging.
Using a BBSHD3, which is a 1000W 48V motor on a bicycle is illegal to use anywhere except on private land where public aren't allowed. Using it on the road is no different to riding an unregistered, untaxed, uninsured motorcycle on the road.
Why do people seem to think this is ok ?
Goodbye cheap innovative DIY-able Chinese electric bicycles with great range... Hello boring overpriced £6k European bikes with crappy range, tiny batteries.

Anyone interested in ebikes, I advise you get your ebike deals whilst you can & read up on the new 83% e-bike tax!

This shockingly exorbitant 83% 'anti-dumping' tax, has just been slapped on anyone looking to import one of these economical, non-polluting vehicles in an attempt to destroy the market for cheaper Chinese built bikes, forcing consumers to use often everpriced EU manufacturers.

The EU (In which Germany are disproportionately powerful) have been "lobbied" (wined, dined and bribed) by anti-competitive (& purley coincidentally, German) companies like Bosch who want to corner the market for just a few manufacturers with the money to pay for the game to be fixed in their favour.

Cheap ebikes will probably soon be a thing of the past, with no competition from China they can let prices creep back up to thousands for their boring, poorly specced, overpriced machines. Bosch, a fortune 500 company with a €78.0 billion turnover in 2017 are telling us they can't compete with some much smaller Chinese companies and need to resort to protectionism? I don't buy it, all the innovation is coming from China (check out bikes like the Sur-Ron!), not Germany and that's what's got them running back to mummy Merkel to suckle on her EU teet. Anyone who has an interest in the industry can see that the allegations of the Chinese subsidising ebikes is total nonsense, manufacturers are making modest profits on what they produce and that hasn't changed, there is no dumping no subsidising prices, it's the corrupt EU and the corrupt European Bicycle Manufacturers Association (EBMA) joining forces to sell the public pure lies.

I think it's such a sad thing, this short sighted protectionism by the EU. E-bikes have the potential for so much societal benefit, they allow people who perhaps can't afford to run a car to travel further and for cheaper, opening up job opportunities that were not possible before, poorer families who need 2 cars or rely on expensive public transport can decrease their spending very significantly by switching to 1 or maybe even 2 e-bikes, increasing their quality of life, helping them save a little or clear debts a bit faster, plus there's no carcinogenic pollution being belched out into our and our children's lungs causing random genetic mutations, burdening health services, or contributing to global warming for the planet that we will leave them to grow up on, the financial cost of that as we all know is almost incomprehensible.

Ebikes are treading on too many powerful toes, the same type of powerful crusty greedy old parasites that always drag society down, want you spending unnecessary money buying big expensive complicated unreliable, disposable german cars and burning expensive fossil fuels, and being trapped in debt. They don't want the balance tipped in the public's favour, even a little. So the stage was already primed for a few greedy EU politicians and the EBMA with their big brother Bosch to make a modest backhander and keep all the market for themselves at the expense of EU citizens.

So wave goodbye to cheap e-bikes, they will go back to being hobby toys for those with the money. Personally I'm writing to my politician about it I feel that strongly, of course I'd recommend doing so if you feel that way. And I'm never going to support European manufacturers until they deserve it, so my next ebike import will incur around £2000 in tax.
ifitsfreeitsmine1 h, 10 m ago

my ebike gets caked in mud, always gets hosed off with alot of water (not …my ebike gets caked in mud, always gets hosed off with alot of water (not pressure washed), never had a problem and before anyone ask, no my house havent burnt down in the middle of the night whilst charging.


Again I'm just going by what I've witnessed a lot of the people on the trails have told me how good they are but how high maintenance they are. Use what you wish to use I have a samsung phone a lot of people I know tell me how rubbish they are yet I have no complaints it's personal preference. I just know for a fact the more things you rely on the more things you have to go wrong.
Biker.Jeff19/08/2018 16:01

Using a BBSHD3, which is a 1000W 48V motor on a bicycle is illegal to use …Using a BBSHD3, which is a 1000W 48V motor on a bicycle is illegal to use anywhere except on private land where public aren't allowed. Using it on the road is no different to riding an unregistered, untaxed, uninsured motorcycle on the road.Why do people seem to think this is ok ?


Meh, 250w sticker on the motor and the the police won't bother with you, you can probably get them on ebay

Oh my word, again with the wattage obsession, every ebike thread this foaming at the mouth starts... you repeat the same hypocrisy on every ebike thread, (an ebike that should be 250w using more than that quite similar to you using more power to do 50 on a 40 when you think about it) have the Daily Mail started their ebike hate campaign? Why do you think you can ride your obnoxious, noisy polluting mid life crisis machine above the speed limit? Now don't lie and tell us you've never broke the speed limit! Not that I'm complaining about the free body organs we get when you slip on a cow pat, it's just that you whinge about the law so much but you know you break laws yourself because occasionally laws are stupid or unnececcary. It is my opinion that you have an ideologically driven hatred of electric bikes that has no logical basis, you're acting the same as those people who get mad at us for lane splitting, pouncing on any excuse to grumble about petty minutia.

You'll be delighted to know I'm waiting on a 6000w ebike and I'll be using it on and off road with no tax or insurance. I buy tax and insurance for my cars and my 125 because they are necessary, I think it's fine not to have them on an ebike because when people are around I use it like a bike, bike speeds, pedal assist, silently moving along, most people will think I'm on a bicycle. It's also much lighter than a motorcycle, it weighs about the same as a fat bloke on a cheap mountain bike, so I'm generally not carrying the momentum to do any more damage than another cyclists if I crash into anyone (which I've never done in 25 years of road use) I'm not polluting the air or peoples ears with a "look at me" exhaust and I'm not polluting their eyeballs by dressing up like some kind of leather clad alien. In general I blend in quietly with more environments on an ebike than cars and motorbikes, without causing disturbance or worry to others. An ebike and a dirt bike both traveling through a busy suburban park will get 2 very different reactions - the difference in those reactions should explain why I feel OK not having to validate myself with expensive bits of paper from authorities. The desire to ruin ebiking with bureaucracy out of nothing but petty resentment from fossil fuel fans is quite pathetic.

Your entire being may be defined by acts of parliament, and that OK, but I prefer to choose my own way of living. If I treat others with respect, I dont' cause them alarm or infringe on their comfort or safety, then I'm morally OK with what I'm doing and I don't care what some bitter old biker or the authorities think (looking to those criminals for moral guidance makes no sense). It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament, it's illegal to put a stamp featuring the queens head on a letter upside down, laws are sometimes stupid, so I choose not to use 'The Book of English Law' like christians use the Holy Bible.

I'll carry on enjoying my hobby, safely and respectfully. Dealing with resentment and abuse from the odd moaner and potential bother by police is a small price to pay for the sense of freedom it brings.
Edited by: "spaceinvader" 19th Aug 2018
darklight18 h, 35 m ago

stopped riding my full-suss bike , i stopped the right 10 year ago!..it …stopped riding my full-suss bike , i stopped the right 10 year ago!..it rides plush .like you don't have any bronco! the thudbuster travels in a parallelogram in its arc of travel , butter at all... in a bit disconcerting compared to tradition rear sear suspension with simply want to "boink" "boink". .with thudbuster each you hit a ramp, as swing down to take bit and swing back up in readiness for the hit . sorry you've got to ride to see what i am on about.👇


Very well put ... lovely to find someone keeping it simple and consise.
spaceinvader20 m ago

Meh, 250w sticker on the motor and the the police won't bother with you, …Meh, 250w sticker on the motor and the the police won't bother with you, you can probably get them on ebay Oh my word, again with the wattage obsession, every ebike thread this foaming at the mouth starts... you repeat the same hypocrisy on every ebike thread, have the Daily Mail started their ebike hate campaign? Why do you think you can ride your obnoxious, noisy polluting mid life crisis machine above the speed limit? Not that I'm complaining about the free body organs we get when you slip on a cow pat, it's just that you whinge about the law so much but you know you break laws yourself because occasionally laws are stupid, It is my opinion that you have an ideologically driven hatred of electric bikes that has no logical basis, you're acting the same as those people who get mad at us for lane splitting, pouncing on any excuse to grumble about petty minutia. You'll be delighted to know I'm waiting on a 6000w ebike and I'll be using it on and off road with no tax or insurance. I buy tax and insurance for my cars and my 125 because they are necessary, I think it's fine not to have them on an ebike because when people are around I use it like a bike, bike speeds, pedal assist, silently moving along, most people will think I'm on a bicycle. It's also much lighter than a motorcycle, it weighs about the same as a fat bloke on a cheap mountain bike, so I'm generally not carrying the momentum to do any more damage than another cyclists if I crash into anyone (which I've never done in 25 years of road use) I'm not polluting the air or peoples ears with a "look at me" exhaust and I'm not polluting their eyeballs by dressing up like some kind of leather clad alien. In general I blend in quietly with more environments on an ebike than cars and motorbikes, without causing disturbance or worry to others. An ebike and a dirt bike both traveling through a busy suburban park will get 2 very different reactions - the difference in those reactions should explain why I feel OK not having to validate myself with expensive bits of paper from authorities. The desire to ruin ebiking with bureaucracy out of nothing but petty resentment from fossil fuel fans is quite pathetic.Your entire being may be defined by acts of parliament, and that OK, but I prefer to choose my own way of living. If I treat others with respect, I dont' cause them alarm or infringe on their comfort or safety, then I'm morally OK with what I'm doing and I don't care what some bitter old biker or the authorities think (looking to those criminals for moral guidance makes no sense). It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament, it's illegal to put a stamp featuring the queens head on a letter upside down, laws are sometimes stupid, so I choose not to use 'The Book of English Law' like christians use the Holy Bible.I'll carry on enjoying my hobby, safely and respectfully. Dealing with resentment and abuse from the odd moaner and potential bother by police is a small price to pay for the sense of freedom it brings.


Wow, so many assumptions there...... You obviously didn't know i've had Ebikes for years now and have often discussed them on this forum, so i'm far from having a hatred of them.
But i like the freedoms of 'legal' Ebikes, where we can 'legally' go where push bikes can go.

But who cares about legal Ebike riders..... as long as you're having fun eh ?
Biker.Jeff19/08/2018 16:01

Using a BBSHD3, which is a 1000W 48V motor on a bicycle is illegal to use …Using a BBSHD3, which is a 1000W 48V motor on a bicycle is illegal to use anywhere except on private land where public aren't allowed. Using it on the road is no different to riding an unregistered, untaxed, uninsured motorcycle on the road.Why do people seem to think this is ok ?


In short, a legal ebike is a bit ****. Take a steep hill with a 250W hub motor ebike. It'll help but you'll still be crawling up in first gear.

No if a bike is to be the car replacement we all want it to be it needs to be able to carry cargo including passengers (which e.g. a surly big fat dummy will) and to be able to go at ~30mph. No way you're doing both of those with just your legs or even your legs and a 250W motor, but 1000W? Now we're talking. Let's get the law changed. Legalising speed-pedelecs would be a good move, or at least making them easier to make legal (I haven't the first clue where you'd start with registration and insurance, but car dealerships have this worked out so why can't we!)

As for why we feel it's okay to break the law when it suits us... I can't answer but it happens a lot, see every casual weed smoker, every movie pirate and everybody who ever went faster than the speed limit. "It's fine if it doesn't hurt anyone" is somewhere in humans from a young age, that's why your kid steals from the cookie jar.
Edited by: "CampGareth" 19th Aug 2018
CampGareth13 m ago

In short, a legal ebike is a bit ****. Take a steep hill with a 250W hub …In short, a legal ebike is a bit ****. Take a steep hill with a 250W hub motor ebike. It'll help but you'll still be crawling up in first gear.No if a bike is to be the car replacement we all want it to be it needs to be able to carry cargo including passengers (which e.g. a surly big fat dummy will) and to be able to go at ~30mph. No way you're doing both of those with just your legs or even your legs and a 250W motor, but 1000W? Now we're talking. Let's get the law changed. Legalising speed-pedelecs would be a good move, or at least making them easier to use legally.


I agree, legal Ebikes dont have much power and i even agree than the cut off speed could be a bit higher than 15.5 mph.
But for this low power we have the freedoms of being able to legally go where push bikes can go, we dont have to wear a helmet, we dont have to have mot, insurance, tax or any sort of licence to ride them. These freedoms outweigh the power restrictions imo.
But you can have more power if you want, in electric motorcycles and electric cars.... just with less of the freedoms. You will never get it all ways.
ifitsfreeitsmine3 h, 49 m ago

thanks for the link. i already own several ebikes but fancy getting a …thanks for the link. i already own several ebikes but fancy getting a bafang kit to retro fit on one of my regular bikes for more power, speed and range than shop bought bikes. i like the idea of having several batteries for really long multi day rides. whats your experience with your kit? i hear the bbshd (3), is more reliable than the 01 and 02 versions. what sort of range do you get with your kit at various power settings and whats the maximum speed do you get, also what bike did you install uour kit on? cheers




Not had any problems with the 750w motor. Try an get the newer version with the new controller if you can, they should have a small 6v wire for lights. I have used it all week to work and back (about 40 miles) and still had 60% charge left. I only keep it on the first 1-3 levels (out of 9). I bunged it on an old road bike. Part of my communite is over a bumpy gravel/rocky track though which can be dicey at times As for speed, I certainly did not get 38mph out of it on a quite country road as that would be highly irresponsible
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