HIFIMAN HE400i Over Ear Full-Size Plannar Magnetic Headphone £180 - Sold by HIFIMAN UK and Fulfilled by Amazon.
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HIFIMAN HE400i Over Ear Full-Size Plannar Magnetic Headphone £180 - Sold by HIFIMAN UK and Fulfilled by Amazon.

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Found 12th Sep 2017Edited by:"rev6"
Cheaper than the lower model the 400s. They're usually £300+ so appears to be a good deal!
They'll be the revision with 2.5mm jack's.
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MisterTIBS5 h, 4 m ago

Serious question - what is the main difference between a pair of …Serious question - what is the main difference between a pair of headphones like these and your standard £20 types? Is it the sound is clearer, or... ?



A lot of it is highly subjective, and it depends on people's ears and brains as everyone's ears function somewhat differently, same for their brains; some people have damaged hearing too. Some people genuinely cannot hear a difference - either because they actually can't or because they really don't care. Others just like huge amounts of "phat bass" and not much else.
The better headphones do usually give you more (provided the music file you're playing and the equipment it's being played on is decent):
- you should hear more details in the music (some sounds often get lost / overpowered by others on cheap headphones / earphones / speakers)
- things should be clearer / sounds should be better separated (eg: you might hear the difference between different drums/cymbals better)
- sound stage should be better (by this I mean you should get a better impression of space in terms of where instruments, singers etc are, reverb etc caused by the recording space)
- general build quality should be better
- lots of other often subjective things...

This doesn't really apply to Beats headphones

If you're curious enough to try something better than a £20 set, you could try an AKG Y50 for around £50-£60; they're a bit more mainstream-oriented (bit of a bass bump), but decent quality and should work fine just with reasonable phone/etc outputs.

Is a £180 headphone 9 times better than a £20 headphone? Highly unlikely, but such is the general law of diminishing returns. I've got some pretty decent £20-£25 in-ears, and I wouldn't say that the ~£200 (rrp) UE Triple.Fi I have are immensely better - they definitely are better to my ears, but the cheap ones are about 50-70% of the way there already. However, there's cheap rubbish cheap, and the rare unicorn bargain of cheap yet still decent!
Edited by: "sergiup" 13th Sep 2017
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Great deal.
I should have resisted but I couldn't. Cheers for the post, great price.
Must resist......
Make sure you're aware of the narrow stoundstage on these. I'm ok with that, but it's a definite noticeable trait of these. They most certainly need to be burnt in (150 hours quoted by manufacturer). Sennheiser outlet has HD600 for £206.99 and HD650 for £249.99

excellent price for these.
Edited by: "OllieSt" 13th Sep 2017
MUST RESIST.

Great price for these, heat added dude.
2.5mm is quite an obscure jack size, are you sure it's not 3.5mm?
ordered, that's a fantastic price for this set of headphones.
the jack is 3.5mm must be a mis-print
yoshi8 m ago

ordered, that's a fantastic price for this set of headphones. the jack is …ordered, that's a fantastic price for this set of headphones. the jack is 3.5mm must be a mis-print



Think the 2.5mm refers to the jack for the cable where it enters the headphone unit - they used to use screw-in cable connectors, but the latest revision has changed these to plug-in type....
Serious question - what is the main difference between a pair of headphones like these and your standard £20 types? Is it the sound is clearer, or... ?
MisterTIBS3 m ago

Serious question - what is the main difference between a pair of …Serious question - what is the main difference between a pair of headphones like these and your standard £20 types? Is it the sound is clearer, or... ?


Being polite, you don't need them.

These are for those with high-end amps and lossless source music. It's an expensive pursuit that you'd be as well to avoid lol.

Thanks OP, sold my Sine a few months back, bought
Must resist. Bought. Too much of a bargain. Thanks OP
MisterTIBS5 h, 4 m ago

Serious question - what is the main difference between a pair of …Serious question - what is the main difference between a pair of headphones like these and your standard £20 types? Is it the sound is clearer, or... ?



A lot of it is highly subjective, and it depends on people's ears and brains as everyone's ears function somewhat differently, same for their brains; some people have damaged hearing too. Some people genuinely cannot hear a difference - either because they actually can't or because they really don't care. Others just like huge amounts of "phat bass" and not much else.
The better headphones do usually give you more (provided the music file you're playing and the equipment it's being played on is decent):
- you should hear more details in the music (some sounds often get lost / overpowered by others on cheap headphones / earphones / speakers)
- things should be clearer / sounds should be better separated (eg: you might hear the difference between different drums/cymbals better)
- sound stage should be better (by this I mean you should get a better impression of space in terms of where instruments, singers etc are, reverb etc caused by the recording space)
- general build quality should be better
- lots of other often subjective things...

This doesn't really apply to Beats headphones

If you're curious enough to try something better than a £20 set, you could try an AKG Y50 for around £50-£60; they're a bit more mainstream-oriented (bit of a bass bump), but decent quality and should work fine just with reasonable phone/etc outputs.

Is a £180 headphone 9 times better than a £20 headphone? Highly unlikely, but such is the general law of diminishing returns. I've got some pretty decent £20-£25 in-ears, and I wouldn't say that the ~£200 (rrp) UE Triple.Fi I have are immensely better - they definitely are better to my ears, but the cheap ones are about 50-70% of the way there already. However, there's cheap rubbish cheap, and the rare unicorn bargain of cheap yet still decent!
Edited by: "sergiup" 13th Sep 2017
Fantastic price, but I find using amps to much of a pain in the bum these days as is using open headphones. I don't even use my senn 650 or 598 (both open headphones) but use cheap Xiaomi earphones or some closed AKG's that work good straight out of a phone/laptop. Saying that I can hear the difference if I do you the senns especially with an amp, just to lazy these days
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johnthehuman2 h, 18 m ago

2.5mm is quite an obscure jack size, are you sure it's not 3.5mm?



yoshi1 h, 50 m ago

ordered, that's a fantastic price for this set of headphones. the jack is …ordered, that's a fantastic price for this set of headphones. the jack is 3.5mm must be a mis-print


The first revision had screw on type connectors into the headphones. They later changed them to 2.5mm
I don't mean 2.5mm to devices, that's 3.5mm
Edited by: "rev6" 13th Sep 2017
They're certainly for home listening as they're open backed, plus you'll look like a tool wearing them with the square headband.

But, if you do want to use them on mobile, grab a CA Dac Magic XS or Audioquest Dragonfly Red and an OTG USB cable.
sergiup2 h, 28 m ago

However, there's cheap rubbish cheap, and the rare unicorn bargain of …However, there's cheap rubbish cheap, and the rare unicorn bargain of cheap yet still decent!


Sorry to piggyback a question but would you be able to recommend a good set of cheap wireless headphones? I've been hovering around these threads the last couple of weeks but haven't found any and it looks like there are a number of knowledgeable people in this thread.

Last pair I owned was probably about 20 years ago so it's fair to say it's not my area of expertise. I'm looking a pair for 2 specific uses:
1. Wear in the gym.
2. Wear to listen to lectures at home.

So my only criteria are that they don't slip around my head and they look half-decent.
Edited by: "Kozor" 13th Sep 2017
Kozor42 m ago

Sorry to piggyback a question but would you be able to recommend a good …Sorry to piggyback a question but would you be able to recommend a good set of cheap wireless headphones? I've been hovering around these threads the last couple of weeks but haven't found any and it looks like there are a number of knowledgeable people in this thread.Last pair I owned was probably about 20 years ago so it's fair to say it's not my area of expertise. I'm looking a pair for 2 specific uses:1. Wear in the gym.2. Wear to listen to lectures at home.So my only criteria are that they don't slip around my head and they look half-decent.



I recently purchased some Sony MDR-XB950B1s and I was impressed with the sound. They also look fine when you're wearing them unlike a lot of headphones. I don't use the bass boost feature on them as it's overpowering, but they sound great without it on. Also - the Audio Technica M40X's suggested above are wired not wireless...(?)
Edited by: "Master_Yoda" 13th Sep 2017
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Master_Yoda10 m ago

I recently purchased some Sony MDR-XB950B1s and I was impressed with the …I recently purchased some Sony MDR-XB950B1s and I was impressed with the sound. They also look fine when you're wearing them unlike a lot of headphones. I don't use the bass boost feature on them as it's overpowering, but they sound great without it on. Also - the Audio Technica M40X's suggested above are wired not wireless...(?)



I completely missed the "wireless" part. You're right. I'm not too familiar with wireless headphones.
Kozor2 h, 8 m ago

Sorry to piggyback a question but would you be able to recommend a good …Sorry to piggyback a question but would you be able to recommend a good set of cheap wireless headphones? I've been hovering around these threads the last couple of weeks but haven't found any and it looks like there are a number of knowledgeable people in this thread.Last pair I owned was probably about 20 years ago so it's fair to say it's not my area of expertise. I'm looking a pair for 2 specific uses:1. Wear in the gym.2. Wear to listen to lectures at home.So my only criteria are that they don't slip around my head and they look half-decent.


You'll not find a pair that will easily fit the use case of both, least not well. For gym/running work and so on you don't really want noise cancelling as it's a little dangerous and you'll get wind noise/impact thud. For mobile/work/home you should absolutely look to get noise cancelling.

For what it's worth I personally use:

Gym/Running/Cycling: amazon.co.uk/Blu…gym


Train/Work/Mobile/Home: amazon.co.uk/Sen…4.5


Specific listening sessions or audio work I used to use my Audeze Sine, but sold them last month.
Kozor2 h, 29 m ago

Sorry to piggyback a question but would you be able to recommend a good …Sorry to piggyback a question but would you be able to recommend a good set of cheap wireless headphones? I've been hovering around these threads the last couple of weeks but haven't found any and it looks like there are a number of knowledgeable people in this thread.Last pair I owned was probably about 20 years ago so it's fair to say it's not my area of expertise. I'm looking a pair for 2 specific uses:1. Wear in the gym.2. Wear to listen to lectures at home.So my only criteria are that they don't slip around my head and they look half-decent.


The SoundPEATS QY7 are pretty good for the price (so are many of the others though to be honest), and they'd be fine when exercising; they come in black too, so will look fine. This is provided you're OK with earphones as opposed to headphones - it's not easy to find headphones that don't fall off when you're exercising, it's much easier with earphones...

I wouldn't spend much on 'phones for these purposes, I'd be far too likely to lose/damage them and then regret spending more than £20-£30!
Nice op, I'd be all over these if I didn't already have hd650s
Edited by: "anoned" 13th Sep 2017
sergiup8 h, 7 m ago

A lot of it is highly subjective, and it depends on people's ears and …A lot of it is highly subjective, and it depends on people's ears and brains as everyone's ears function somewhat differently, same for their brains; some people have damaged hearing too. Some people genuinely cannot hear a difference - either because they actually can't or because they really don't care. Others just like huge amounts of "phat bass" and not much else.The better headphones do usually give you more (provided the music file you're playing and the equipment it's being played on is decent):- you should hear more details in the music (some sounds often get lost / overpowered by others on cheap headphones / earphones / speakers)- things should be clearer / sounds should be better separated (eg: you might hear the difference between different drums/cymbals better)- sound stage should be better (by this I mean you should get a better impression of space in terms of where instruments, singers etc are, reverb etc caused by the recording space)- general build quality should be better- lots of other often subjective things...This doesn't really apply to Beats headphones If you're curious enough to try something better than a £20 set, you could try an AKG Y50 for around £50-£60; they're a bit more mainstream-oriented (bit of a bass bump), but decent quality and should work fine just with reasonable phone/etc outputs.Is a £180 headphone 9 times better than a £20 headphone? Highly unlikely, but such is the general law of diminishing returns. I've got some pretty decent £20-£25 in-ears, and I wouldn't say that the ~£200 (rrp) UE Triple.Fi I have are immensely better - they definitely are better to my ears, but the cheap ones are about 50-70% of the way there already. However, there's cheap rubbish cheap, and the rare unicorn bargain of cheap yet still decent!



Thanks very much, appreciate that informative and what seems a fair and unbiased response. I hear an obvious difference with some headphones to other cheaper ones but never took opportunity to try to hear difference between what I consider to be a fine pair and those priced beyond anything I'd be looking at in terms of prices, but curious if there were less obvious reasons why they may be as improved vs my price range compared to my price range vs what I consider to be crap ones!
sergiup9 h, 27 m ago

A lot of it is highly subjective, and it depends on people's ears and …A lot of it is highly subjective, and it depends on people's ears and brains as everyone's ears function somewhat differently, same for their brains; some people have damaged hearing too. Some people genuinely cannot hear a difference - either because they actually can't or because they really don't care. Others just like huge amounts of "phat bass" and not much else.The better headphones do usually give you more (provided the music file you're playing and the equipment it's being played on is decent):- you should hear more details in the music (some sounds often get lost / overpowered by others on cheap headphones / earphones / speakers)- things should be clearer / sounds should be better separated (eg: you might hear the difference between different drums/cymbals better)- sound stage should be better (by this I mean you should get a better impression of space in terms of where instruments, singers etc are, reverb etc caused by the recording space)- general build quality should be better- lots of other often subjective things...This doesn't really apply to Beats headphones If you're curious enough to try something better than a £20 set, you could try an AKG Y50 for around £50-£60; they're a bit more mainstream-oriented (bit of a bass bump), but decent quality and should work fine just with reasonable phone/etc outputs.Is a £180 headphone 9 times better than a £20 headphone? Highly unlikely, but such is the general law of diminishing returns. I've got some pretty decent £20-£25 in-ears, and I wouldn't say that the ~£200 (rrp) UE Triple.Fi I have are immensely better - they definitely are better to my ears, but the cheap ones are about 50-70% of the way there already. However, there's cheap rubbish cheap, and the rare unicorn bargain of cheap yet still decent!

Wise words, Baxter
I was considering these at a higher price but just went with the sines instead. Isn't that always the way.
Thanks for the help fellas. I went for the newer pair of the mpow earphones.
Couldn't resist so now I have these and the Audeze sines. Fostex next then electrostatics.
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smr129 m ago

Couldn't resist so now I have these and the Audeze sines. Fostex next …Couldn't resist so now I have these and the Audeze sines. Fostex next then electrostatics.



Money money money
I'll be using these in a AV receiver (500ish ohm from the headphone jack)
Would a dedicated headphone amp be better? or just different amps sound different, thanks
How much are these again?...

what?...
Edited by: "loadsavmoney" 12th Oct 2017
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loadsavmoney28 m ago

I'll be using these in a AV receiver (500ish ohm from the headphone …I'll be using these in a AV receiver (500ish ohm from the headphone jack)Would a dedicated headphone amp be better? or just different amps sound different, thanks



Output impedance is important too. They will benefit from a good amount/DAC.
rev655 m ago

Output impedance is important too. They will benefit from a good …Output impedance is important too. They will benefit from a good amount/DAC.


The output impedance is about 500, should be more than enough power but i'm new to high end headphones and i've never had a dedicated amp before
I'll be mainly using the headphones for films at night
The DAC in the AVR might be good enough... hopefully
Edited by: "loadsavmoney" 12th Oct 2017
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loadsavmoney3 h, 42 m ago

The output impedance is about 500, should be more than enough power but …The output impedance is about 500, should be more than enough power but i'm new to high end headphones and i've never had a dedicated amp beforeI'll be mainly using the headphones for films at nightThe DAC in the AVR might be good enough... hopefully




500ohm is very high. My headphone amp is < 0.5ohm
i asked Denon if i could use a pair of 300 or 600 ohm headphones on my AVR a while ago and they said that the Impedance of the headphone output is around 500 ohms
this looks like a nice amp, they ran out of space because of the price though and had to move the £ up
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loadsavmoney34 m ago

i asked Denon if i could use a pair of 300 or 600 ohm headphones on my AVR …i asked Denon if i could use a pair of 300 or 600 ohm headphones on my AVR a while ago and they said that the Impedance of the headphone output is around 500 ohmsthis looks like a nice amp, they ran out of space because of the price though and had to move the £ up [Image]




I'm not sure about it. If you asked me if your AV can run 300/600ohm headphones I'd look at their power output at 300/600ohm. Output impendance isn't always available.

Example the Fiio E10K has an output impedance of 1ohm. But the output is 200mv for 32ohm headphones. They're not the same thing.
Edited by: "rev6" 13th Oct 2017
rev657 m ago

I'm not sure about it. If you asked me if your AV can run 300/600ohm …I'm not sure about it. If you asked me if your AV can run 300/600ohm headphones I'd look at their power output at 300/600ohm. Output impendance isn't always available.Example the Fiio E10K has an output impedance of 1ohm. But the output is 200mv for 32ohm headphones. They're not the same thing.


Maybe Denon meant the headphone jack output can handle a 500 ohm pair of headphones should be fine though
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