HISENSE LTDN58K700XWTSE 58 inch 4K Ultra HD 3D Smart LED TV Freeview HD £699 + Free Delivery + 6 year guarantee
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HISENSE LTDN58K700XWTSE 58 inch 4K Ultra HD 3D Smart LED TV Freeview HD £699 + Free Delivery + 6 year guarantee

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Found 24th Dec 2015
Not sure about any reviews but with a 6 year guarantee (register as a VIP member to get this ) and for 58" i think its a bargain
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I do not think they do upscale at all like Samsung or Sony. So, standard and HD picture will look worse than a normal 1080p TV
oh dear bobo.... anyway. I've got the 50 inch hisense. not sure an extra 8 inches is worth another 300 quid but the 50 inch is fantastic
bobo53

I do not think they do upscale at all like Samsung or Sony. So, standard … I do not think they do upscale at all like Samsung or Sony. So, standard and HD picture will look worse than a normal 1080p TV



Of course they upscale...If they didn't upscale then you would end up with small image in the middle of the screen like this.....

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f67/uridium26/Online/1080p-on-a-4k-tv_zpskrw4dwjq.jpg


Uridium

Of course they upscale...If they didn't upscale then you would end up … Of course they upscale...If they didn't upscale then you would end up with small image in the middle of the screen like this.....


ahahah, that is for sure called UPCONVERSION (only a deteriorated zoomed picture). Been on their website, if there was a proper upscaling they would have advertised it, it is a huge point of sale if you can understand, Samsung does and can see what they were talking about as I could witness with the 55"6900 which was returned for other reasons. Anyway, not even the very best properly upscaling tv can match the original picture displayed on a proper 1080p tv. Not sure about these latest 2015 SUHD Samsung. Do not be impressed by what they show at the shop, you already know that as what they usually show in the shop is on average very misleading and when we try TV's at home and compared with what we got, we are always disappointed by the proportion on the money spent against what we already got. I got a Panasonic 4k 50" which apart from being a great monitor for my pc for the rest is not good at all, none of the Panasonic do upscale and was also confirmed by the customer service, unbelievable.

Edited by: "bobo53" 24th Dec 2015
bobo53

ahahah, that is for sure called UPCONVERSION (only a deteriorated zoomed … ahahah, that is for sure called UPCONVERSION (only a deteriorated zoomed picture). Been on their website, if there was a proper upscaling they would have advertised it, it is a huge point of sale if you can understand, Samsung does and can see what they were talking about as I could witness with the 55"6900 which was returned for other reasons. Anyway, not even the very best properly upscaling tv can match the original picture displayed on a proper 1080p tv. Not sure about these latest 2015 SUHD Samsung. Do not be impressed by what they show at the shop, you already know that as what they usually show in the shop is on average is very misleading and when we try TV's at home and compared with what we got, on average we are always disappointed. I got a Panasonic 4k 50" which apart from being a great monitor for my pc for the rest is not good at all, none of the Panasonic do upscale and was also confirmed by the customer service, unbelievable.



No you are mistaken.
Upconversion is the process of converting an input from one type to another, e.g. S-Video/Component to HDMI
Upscaling is the process of converting an image from on resolution to a higher one, e.g. 480/576/1080 to 1080/4k or any other figure.

ALL HD TV's have a built in upscaling chipset or you would only get an image similar to the one i posted. The difference is that some manufacturers offer a better upscaling chipset (thsi is one of the things you pay extra for in higher end TV's)

I'd imagine the Panasonic's you refer to as having no upscalers are the Vestel manufactured sets with lower quality upscalers.


Edited by: "Uridium" 24th Dec 2015
Uridium

No you are mistaken. Upconversion is the process of converting an input … No you are mistaken. Upconversion is the process of converting an input from one type to another, e.g. S-Video/Component to HDMIUpscaling is the process of converting an image from on resolution to a higher one, e.g. 480/576/1080 to 1080/4k or any other figure.ALL HD TV's have a built in upscaling chipset or you would only get an image similar to the one i posted. The difference is that some manufacturers offer a better upscaling chipset (thsi is one of the things you pay extra for in higher end TV's)I'd imagine the Panasonic's you refer to as having no upscalers are the Vestel manufactured sets with lower quality upscalers.




Regardless, the picture quality is going to absolutely toilet. An Asda 'black friday' telly if ever there was one.
voobydooz

Regardless, the picture quality is going to absolutely toilet. An Asda … Regardless, the picture quality is going to absolutely toilet. An Asda 'black friday' telly if ever there was one.



I'd disagree again, most seem to think HiSense TV;s are in the same category as Bush/Technika/Polaroid etc...but HiSense actually make some very good quality TV's. Give them a few years and they will be big players along with Samsung/Sony/LG and Panasonic in the european market just as they are in China right now.

It wasn't that many years ago people would laugh if you bought a "Lucky Goldstar" TV but now TV enthusiasts are holding back on upgrading their 1080p sets waiting on the price of LG OLED TV's to fall in price
had the 65 version of this...the picture quality on Freeview and sky hd is brilliant...as long as you persevere with the settings...the only reason I returned it was because of slight motion judder i just couldn't get used to, off there was judder...on and there was SOA...but if this doesn't bother you then its a brilliant tv...local dimming is fantastic..
Uridium

No you are mistaken. Upconversion is the process of converting an input … No you are mistaken. Upconversion is the process of converting an input from one type to another, e.g. S-Video/Component to HDMIUpscaling is the process of converting an image from on resolution to a higher one, e.g. 480/576/1080 to 1080/4k or any other figure.ALL HD TV's have a built in upscaling chipset or you would only get an image similar to the one i posted. The difference is that some manufacturers offer a better upscaling chipset (thsi is one of the things you pay extra for in higher end TV's)I'd imagine the Panasonic's you refer to as having no upscalers are the Vestel manufactured sets with lower quality upscalers.


I agree about the better and the worse upscaler. Anyway, in a proper upscaled 4k tv, the screen on pressing info should say 3840x2160 and still does not mean that there will be a sensible improvement. On a non proper upscaled 4k tv would say 1080p (if from an 1080p source etc...) and that is only a deteriorated zoomed picture more commonly called also upconversion. Be also aware of these hdmi upscaler wich they convert the picture to an upscaled 3840x2160, they do nothing at all to improve the picture, they soften it on the bad side I think. These upconverting 4k TV's do need proper dvd/bluray player with a 4k upscaler to improve the picture and for freeview and satellite tuner cannot find any equivalent at all. Samsung and Sony are much better value in these upscaling tasks.
bobo53

I agree about the better and the worse upscaler. Anyway, in a proper … I agree about the better and the worse upscaler. Anyway, in a proper upscaled 4k tv, the screen on pressing info should say 3840x2160 and still does not mean that there will be a sensible improvement. On a non proper upscaled 4k tv would say 1080p (if from an 1080p source etc...) and that is only a deteriorated zoomed picture more commonly called also upconversion. Be also aware of these hdmi upscaler wich they convert the picture to an upscaled 3840x2160, they do nothing at all to improve the picture, they soften it on the bad side I think. These upconverting 4k TV's do need proper dvd/bluray player with a 4k upscaler to improve the picture and for freeview and satellite tuner cannot find any equivalent at all. Samsung and Sony are much better value in these upscaling tasks.



I really think you need to do a little research on upscaling and upconverting...I'm not quoting my opinion..I'm quoting facts about those technologies.
as for the resolution the 'Info' on the TV shows you...the TV will show you the input source resolution, not the output resolution. with a true 4k input feed the TV will show you 3840x2160, with a 1080i feed such as SkyHD it will show you 1920x1080 regardless of what quality scaling chipset is in the TV as it is stating the Input source resolution not the Output resolution.
Uridium

I really think you need to do a little research on upscaling and … I really think you need to do a little research on upscaling and upconverting...I'm not quoting my opinion..I'm quoting facts about those technologies.as for the resolution the 'Info' on the TV shows you...the TV will show you the input source resolution, not the output resolution. with a true 4k input feed the TV will show you 3840x2160, with a 1080i feed such as SkyHD it will show you 1920x1080 regardless of what quality scaling chipset is in the TV as it is stating the Input source resolution not the Output resolution.


A proper upscaling 4k tv will show a proper upscaled 3840x2160 output from any resolution input. I base my finding on real usage not on what sometime we read or they tell us at the shops. Best way is always to test side by side at home and the story becomes totally different. Obviously, some people are exchanging for very old plasmas/lcd and they think they see a new world with these 4k TV's when they watch Sd and HD and they do not realize that their previous tv was obsolete for picture quality, mainly contrasts and brightness. Anyway, which ever you want to put it, does not matter about the way they upscale or upconvert. Samsung for sure does do a good upscaling (still not as good as a proper 1080p tv on the 4k model I had) as I could personally witness at home, Panasonic is rubbish( a much more expensive 4k TV than the 4k Samsung I had) on doing that and I do not expect Hisense to be any better.
Edited by: "bobo53" 24th Dec 2015
bobo53

A proper upscaling 4k tv will show a proper upscaled 3840x2160 output … A proper upscaling 4k tv will show a proper upscaled 3840x2160 output from any resolution input. I base my finding on real usage not on what sometime we read or they tell us at the shops. Best way is always to test side by side at home and the story becomes totally different. Obviously, some people are exchanging for very old plasmas/lcd and they think they see a new world with these 4k TV's when they watch Sd and HD and they do not realize that their previous tv was obsolete for picture quality, mainly contrasts and brightness. Anyway, which ever you want to put it, does not matter about the way they upscale or upconvert. Samsung for sure does do a good upscaling (still not as good as a proper 1080p tv on the 4k model I had) as I could personally witness at home, Panasonic is rubbish( a much more expensive 4k TV than the 4k Samsung I had) on doing that and I do not expect Hisense to be any better.



I'm sorry but your talking nonsense. ALL 4k tv's will show any non native 4k feed as an upscaled output or you would just get a small image in the centre of the screen as per the image I posted at the top of the thread.
This is just the same as the way a 1080 TV will output 1080 from an SD image...ALL TV's will upscale the resolution it receives if it is lower than it's native resolution then upscale it and output it at it's native resolution. This is simply how upscaling fundamentally works.

You need to get over this idea you have of proper and non proper upscaling TV's. All TV's have upscalers in order to output the source material in their native output resolution. The only difference is that some TV's have a better quality upscaler than others.


Edited by: "Uridium" 24th Dec 2015
Uridium

I'm sorry but your talking nonsense. ALL 4k tv's will show any non native … I'm sorry but your talking nonsense. ALL 4k tv's will show any non native 4k feed as an upscaled output or you would just get a small image in the centre of the screen as per the image I posted at the top of the thread. This is just the same as the way a 1080p TV will output a 1080p feed from an SD image...ALL TV's will upscale the resolution it receives if it is lower than it's native resolution then upscale it and output it at it's native resolution. This is simply how upscaling fundamentally works.You need to get over this idea you have of proper and non proper upscaling TV's. All TV's have upscalers in order to output the source material in their native output resolution. The only difference is that some TV's have a better quality upscaler than others.


I am sorry, you never had a 4k tv as I can see, end of the matter but once again my comment was about the upscaling of this tv. This tv all it does is to automatically feel the screen, for proper upscaling it is meant to get the the SD or HD picture to feel the pixels 4 times with all the power of his own processor and the help of the software and that is why the final result would be 3840x2160 clearly written on the screen. Any other tv which they do not do that it means that the picture is been upconverted(only zoomed) to fill the screen, call it upscaling if you wish but it is the wrong word despite the fact that a proper uscaling might not even be good and can vary from tv to tv of the same make.

Edited by: "bobo53" 24th Dec 2015
audioslim

oh dear bobo.... anyway. I've got the 50 inch hisense. not sure an extra … oh dear bobo.... anyway. I've got the 50 inch hisense. not sure an extra 8 inches is worth another 300 quid but the 50 inch is fantastic


Jus spotted your comment, it is all about with what you make a comparison with side by side. To you it is good and no doubt that it is not, but make a comparison with a good 1080p tv and I can tell you that you will be very disappointed with your hisense tv. This tv clearly does not make a proper improving upscaling as otherwise it would have been properly advertised on their web site like Samsung or sony does
Edited by: "bobo53" 24th Dec 2015
bobo53

I am sorry, you never had a 4k tv as I can see, end of the matter but … I am sorry, you never had a 4k tv as I can see, end of the matter but once again my comment was about the upscaling of this tv. This tv all it does is to automatically feel the screen, for proper upscaling it is meant to get the the SD or HD picture to feel the pixels 4 times with all the power of his own processor and the help of the software and that is why the final result would be 3840x2160 clearly written on the screen. Any other tv which they do not do that it means that the picture is been upconverted(only zoomed) to fill the screen, call it upscaling if you wish but it is the wrong word despite the fact that a proper uscaling might not even be good and can vary from tv to tv of the same make.



I have a Samsung 55JU6400 4k TV
I'm sure you're making it up in your head as you go along, picking random words that sound a little bit right...

I'll say it again....This TV along with ALL other TV's have a built in upscaler. You cannot buy a HD TV without one. Otherwise the TV would have to state it only supports it's native resolution. If a TV doesn't upscale the image it appears in it's native format in a small box on the screen.
Picture zooming is a TOTALLY different thing. that is used to adjust the picture size when a program is made a different aspect ratio.(4:3 to 16:9 etc..)

btw @ the OP
Heated as I've personally seen a couple of Hisense TV's in action now and they are very good quality TV's for the price. If I was buying again I'd certainly consider one especially when backed by a richer Sounds 6yr guarantee for peace of mind.



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Edited by: "Uridium" 24th Dec 2015
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT
Dear Uridium and Bobo - it sounds like you both know what you're talking about, although logic suggests at least one of you is wrong. Whatever, I'm now totally confused as to whether or not these 4K TVs are worth buying!

Most of whatever will be viewed will be either HD or SD as things stand today - not 4K (yet). So is it actually worth buying one as it seems the picture will be worse than a regular FHD TV.
Phila4

Dear Uridium and Bobo - it sounds like you both know what you're talking … Dear Uridium and Bobo - it sounds like you both know what you're talking about, although logic suggests at least one of you is wrong. Whatever, I'm now totally confused as to whether or not these 4K TVs are worth buying!Most of whatever will be viewed will be either HD or SD as things stand today - not 4K (yet). So is it actually worth buying one as it seems the picture will be worse than a regular FHD TV.


It's quite well received over on AVForums where there is a dedicated owners thread, may be worth having a read over there.
Uridium is correct and bobo53 is talking ****.. he obviously believes what he is saying but is incorrect. the TV displays the input signal received not output signal and will upscale input received to the TV's native resolution (regardless if it does a good job or not) so higher the inputed signal the better as less upscaling will incur.. this is the same with full HD TV's nowadays - feed in a SD pic or a 720p it will upscale to 1080... if it didn't it would display a pic which wouldn't fill the screen as shown above.
bobo53

I am sorry, you never had a 4k tv as I can see, end of the matter but … I am sorry, you never had a 4k tv as I can see, end of the matter but once again my comment was about the upscaling of this tv. This tv all it does is to automatically feel the screen, for proper upscaling it is meant to get the the SD or HD picture to feel the pixels 4 times with all the power of his own processor and the help of the software and that is why the final result would be 3840x2160 clearly written on the screen. Any other tv which they do not do that it means that the picture is been upconverted(only zoomed) to fill the screen, call it upscaling if you wish but it is the wrong word despite the fact that a proper uscaling might not even be good and can vary from tv to tv of the same make.


I'm sorry but Uridium is correct, having studied DSP for my masters degree we were taught about how images are upscaled using interpolation algorithms and how different algorithms give different results (We used FFTs and Wavelets). The algorithms that each TV uses to do this will vary which is why some TVs appear better at it than others but they all upscale images that are less than their native 4K.

Anyway I have the 50 inch version of this TV which I got to replace a 40 inch Bravia and it's exceptional value. The picture is very good and it has many features like playing video files (avi, h264, h265...) from USB or a NAS and so forth.
Wouldn't like to be bobo53 right now, how embarrassing
Phila4

Dear Uridium and Bobo - it sounds like you both know what you're talking … Dear Uridium and Bobo - it sounds like you both know what you're talking about, although logic suggests at least one of you is wrong. Whatever, I'm now totally confused as to whether or not these 4K TVs are worth buying!Most of whatever will be viewed will be either HD or SD as things stand today - not 4K (yet). So is it actually worth buying one as it seems the picture will be worse than a regular FHD TV.


Basically it all comes down to the way any 4K TV handles a standard def or full HD signal. Horrible oversimplification coming up but results tend to range from 'god awful' through 'looks like it would on a full HD TV' to 'almost native 4k'. These days most 4k sets will at least give as good a result as you'd get from a HD TV and the majority will produce something that's an improvement. Whether it's a *noticeable* improvement of course is down to the individual. The only thing to really watch out for is you watch a lot of TV content with poor broadcast quality as the worse the original the harder it is for a 4K set to give a clean picture. If most of what you watch is on the 'main' channels (BBC, ITV, Sky etc) or on DVD's then you'll be fine with pretty much any 4k set that's not a Phony, LF or Samsing ;-)
Might be helpful to put "Richer Sounds" in the deal title
All TV's upscale to their native resolution, as said already, you can call it upconverting if you want, it's the same thing.
Marketing can prevail but the algorithms that try reduce noise and any other effects from the upscaled image can be different from one manufacturer to another.

Will a 1920x1080 source look better on UHD TV upscaled, I guess it depends what you think better means. Upscaling can't add more information that's not there in the source, it could duplicate, or add white pixels like some LG TV's.
Wish my telly was broke Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!
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How are Richersounds with their warranty promise? John Lewis aren't too great with theirs.
mickrick

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT



lol

I bet you are reading all this, i dont know why some guys are so eager to promote immature chines product against iconic brand names of Sony, LG etc
i have one of these after i gave up with broken sony 55x8509 and panasonic cx700 which were £1100 at the time.

Took a chance on this for £849, being totally honest the picture is the same, standard definition is poor as it was sony.

however this has local dimming and it really works, black is black, much better than the sony and panasonic and theres no light bleed or light leak like the sony either.

the smart system is poor but it is cheap.

total bargain for the money though.
Disco Dave

Wish my telly was broke Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!



what about freecycle???
Obstinate_Person

Wouldn't like to be bobo53 right now, how embarrassing


ahahah, we only had a peaceful discussion of what upscale might mean, nothing does embarrass me, I am here to learn after all, we all do I hope.
Anyway, whichever they want to call it, this TV will not upscale to 3840x2160, will only try to make the picture to be adapted on the fullscreen and must make sure it looks decent, my Panasonic is the same and requires proper 4k upscaling tuners or players to better enjoy it with sd and hd sources, therefore the sd and hd picture must look crap compared to a proper 1080p or a proper 4ktv that can properly upscale to 3840x2160. This tv can only upconvert or upscale to the same resolution of his original source which is non native in this tv and non native resolution means a deteriorated picture. Have you got a pc? try a non native resolution on your monitor and look at the difference. Not sure what some people means by being fantastic, it cannot be unless they compared it with their 20 years old plasma tv or cathode tube tv. Still not sure if people got my point now.
Edited by: "bobo53" 24th Dec 2015
kay1992

How are Richersounds with their warranty promise? John Lewis aren't too … How are Richersounds with their warranty promise? John Lewis aren't too great with theirs.



None better. And on a TV of this size it's in home repair.
Obstinate_Person

Wouldn't like to be bobo53 right now, how embarrassing

bobo53

This tv can only upconvert or upscale to the same resolution of his … This tv can only upconvert or upscale to the same resolution of his original source which is non native in this tv



lol no-one got your point because it is WRONG...



Wrong. how could it upscale to the same resolution of its original source...that makes no sense whatsoever..you are basically saying it will upscale from 1080p to 1080p...

THIS and ALL other 4k tv's WILL upscale a non native resolution source to ITS own native resolution...3840x2160

Edited by: "Uridium" 24th Dec 2015
I have the 65 inch version of this set, it currently has a couple of issues.

It does not handshake correctly via BT UHD youview box or Nvidia shield (or Amazon fire 4k according to Hisense support), although this should be fixed in the up coming firmware release (They have fixed the issue on base level K321 sets).

On the positive side the 4K content on Netflix using the internal player is good, blacks are very good with the local dimming. The screen is uniform watching sports content is good especially HD, SD well if you can't say anything good...
hyper01

I have the 65 inch version of this set, it currently has a couple of … I have the 65 inch version of this set, it currently has a couple of issues.It does not handshake correctly via BT UHD youview box or Nvidia shield (or Amazon fire 4k according to Hisense support), although this should be fixed in the up coming firmware release (They have fixed the issue on base level K321 sets).On the positive side the 4K content on Netflix using the internal player is good, blacks are very good with the local dimming. The screen is uniform watching sports content is good especially HD, SD well if you can't say anything good...


is your 65 hisense the curved one thats currently £999 in amazon? was tempted by it but didnt want curved
bobo53

ahahah, we only had a peaceful discussion of what upscale might mean, … ahahah, we only had a peaceful discussion of what upscale might mean, nothing does embarrass me, I am here to learn after all, we all do I hope.Anyway, whichever they want to call it, this TV will not upscale to 3840x2160, will only try to make the picture to be adapted on the fullscreen and must make sure it looks decent, my Panasonic is the same and requires proper 4k upscaling tuners or players to better enjoy it with sd and hd sources, therefore the sd and hd picture must look crap compared to a proper 1080p or a proper 4ktv that can properly upscale to 3840x2160. This tv can only upconvert or upscale to the same resolution of his original source which is non native in this tv and non native resolution means a deteriorated picture. Have you got a pc? try a non native resolution on your monitor and look at the difference. Not sure what some people means by being fantastic, it cannot be unless they compared it with their 20 years old plasma tv or cathode tube tv. Still not sure if people got my point now.


I'm unsure what the confusion is here TBH...

This TV and other 4K TVs physically have 3840x2160 pixels, if the TV is sent a 1920x1080 pixel image it needs to guess what the missing pixels are or 3/4 of the screen would be black. To do this TVs use a interpolation algorithm to upscale the source 1920x1080 image to be 3840x2160, these algorithms guess what the pixels in between might be to varying amounts of success.

Cheap supermarket TVs do this poorly and it ends up making the resulting 3840x2160 image look blurry (soft). This TV actually does it very well, I would say on par with a mid range 4K TV from Sony, Samsung and LG. Many 4K devices also contain an upscaler which is sometimes better than the TVs so it's always worth a test.

Edited by: "Gormond" 24th Dec 2015
kay1992

How are Richersounds with their warranty promise? John Lewis aren't too … How are Richersounds with their warranty promise? John Lewis aren't too great with theirs.



John Lewis not good?
I can't agree with that.
They gave me a full refund, no questions asked, on a plasma television that failed, and was considered obsolete, which was 4 and a half years old.

I bought another television from them with the refund. And thats covered by another 5 year warranty
I have the 40inch K4321. For 4K Netflix it is fantastic. For UHD files on USB it is even better.
No YouTube 4K or Amazon UHD via any internal app yet. Maybe in January. Not sure how that compares with this TV.

As for upscale or not, what the hell?!someone needs to do a bit more research on Wikipedia... Or come back with pictures, because words not making sense.
I've got this TV solely for 4K use. For the non 4K it is fine, if a bit gaudy. The same way SD looks awful on 1080.
1080 content with a quality source seems fine. Also use as a monitor, pushing 1080p to UHD screen. It does detect 1080p content and screen is blown up to full size.

As for the company, Hisense sell more TVs than Sony and are third globally, behind LG and Samsung. They are huge in China so expect them to be even bigger in the next 5 years.

Edited by: "abulkasam" 24th Dec 2015
bobo53

Anyway, whichever they want to call it, this TV will not upscale to … Anyway, whichever they want to call it, this TV will not upscale to 3840x2160, will only try to make the picture to be adapted on the fullscreen



That's upscaling.
rev6

That's upscaling.


you repeat what the mass does say, so what is an upconversion?? explain please
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poisondwarf

John Lewis not good?I can't agree with that.They gave me a full refund, … John Lewis not good?I can't agree with that.They gave me a full refund, no questions asked, on a plasma television that failed, and was considered obsolete, which was 4 and a half years old.I bought another television from them with the refund. And thats covered by another 5 year warranty



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