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nest with opentherm any day
Here we go again...
Any deals for Combi boilers?.
Kezzano11128/11/2019 14:43

Any deals for Combi boilers?.



found this in the 'Product description' …..If you are buying Hive with no installation and do not have a hot water tank (combi boiler), then Hive Active Heating is right for you. If you do have a hot water tank (conventional boiler), then Hive Active Heating and Hot Water is right for you.
Not sure if this means it is suitable for both Combi and Hot water tank boilers
Edited by: "there-is-no-spoon" 28th Nov 2019
For those considering purchasing a Hive "heating and hot water" to use with a combi boiler... Yes you can get it to work, but I wouldn't recommend using these as they're dual channel with different wiring configuration to the normal single channel hive. If you're boiler doesn't support 230v on it's live feed connection then you can end up frying your main PCB as the dual channel Hive only uses 230v. If you know what you're doing and you've checked your boiler documentation etc then you'd probably be fine.
ddaann_9928/11/2019 14:50

For those considering purchasing a Hive "heating and hot water" to use …For those considering purchasing a Hive "heating and hot water" to use with a combi boiler... Yes you can get it to work, but I wouldn't recommend using these as they're dual channel with different wiring configuration to the normal single channel hive. If you're boiler doesn't support 230v on it's live feed connection then you can end up frying your main PCB as the dual channel Hive only uses 230v. If you know what you're doing and you've checked your boiler documentation etc then you'd probably be fine.



bagga21228/11/2019 14:35

nest with opentherm any day


Why only Nest. There are others like Tado, which is also opentherm compatible.
bagga21228/11/2019 14:35

nest with opentherm any day


Do you have notifications set up for Hive posts so you can promote Nest? How much they paying you?
Libre1128/11/2019 15:30

Do you have notifications set up for Hive posts so you can promote Nest? …Do you have notifications set up for Hive posts so you can promote Nest? How much they paying you?


Sadly he's just doing off his own back!!!
AstalaVista28/11/2019 15:29

Why only Nest. There are others like Tado, which is also opentherm …Why only Nest. There are others like Tado, which is also opentherm compatible.


yep i advocate others opentherm, but think nest add in a couple other good features based on machine learning.
Could a moron install this? Or does it actually need to he professionally done
do these work with NuHeat Underfloor heating?
kpaulyy28/11/2019 15:38

Could a moron install this? Or does it actually need to he professionally …Could a moron install this? Or does it actually need to he professionally done



bagga21228/11/2019 14:35

nest with opentherm any day


Why bother with opentherm when very few boilers in the UK are opentherm compatible. Even those with opentherm compatible boilers very rarely have a properly designed heating system so it's irrelevant anyway.
You seem to consistently refer to the hive as a glorified on/off switch. Yes, it is but you could say the same about any smart device. The fact is the vast majority of people want the ability to easily control heating and hot water easily from an app or through Alexa/google, set it to away when on holiday or out of the house. Hive makes all of these things much easier for a relatively small outlay. For the 1% of people interested in opentherm there are other compatible devices available but consistently spamming every hive thread isn't going to change anyone's mind over buying one...
nitro22828/11/2019 17:12

Why bother with opentherm when very few boilers in the UK are opentherm … Why bother with opentherm when very few boilers in the UK are opentherm compatible. Even those with opentherm compatible boilers very rarely have a properly designed heating system so it's irrelevant anyway.You seem to consistently refer to the hive as a glorified on/off switch. Yes, it is but you could say the same about any smart device. The fact is the vast majority of people want the ability to easily control heating and hot water easily from an app or through Alexa/google, set it to away when on holiday or out of the house. Hive makes all of these things much easier for a relatively small outlay. For the 1% of people interested in opentherm there are other compatible devices available but consistently spamming every hive thread isn't going to change anyone's mind over buying one...


And good luck to them.... btw hive needs its batteries needs replacing every 10monthe unlike nest
Set up a discussion the other day asking members for their opinions/experience of Hive and Nest (forgot about Tado) and Nest was recommended a lot.
nitro22828/11/2019 17:12

Why bother with opentherm when very few boilers in the UK are opentherm … Why bother with opentherm when very few boilers in the UK are opentherm compatible. Even those with opentherm compatible boilers very rarely have a properly designed heating system so it's irrelevant anyway.You seem to consistently refer to the hive as a glorified on/off switch. Yes, it is but you could say the same about any smart device. The fact is the vast majority of people want the ability to easily control heating and hot water easily from an app or through Alexa/google, set it to away when on holiday or out of the house. Hive makes all of these things much easier for a relatively small outlay. For the 1% of people interested in opentherm there are other compatible devices available but consistently spamming every hive thread isn't going to change anyone's mind over buying one...


List of compatible opentherm boilers

theheatinghub.co.uk/ope…ide

myboiler.com/ope…ls/
ddaann_9928/11/2019 14:50

For those considering purchasing a Hive "heating and hot water" to use …For those considering purchasing a Hive "heating and hot water" to use with a combi boiler... Yes you can get it to work, but I wouldn't recommend using these as they're dual channel with different wiring configuration to the normal single channel hive. If you're boiler doesn't support 230v on it's live feed connection then you can end up frying your main PCB as the dual channel Hive only uses 230v. If you know what you're doing and you've checked your boiler documentation etc then you'd probably be fine.


I use one for heating only, the only difference if you get the heating and hot water is you don't wire up the hot water connection, might as well buy the dual controller if it's cheaper than buying the single, that's what I did and it works perfectly.
kpaulyy28/11/2019 15:38

Could a moron install this? Or does it actually need to he professionally …Could a moron install this? Or does it actually need to he professionally done


yeah - my apprentice can install them so you should be sound.
bagga21228/11/2019 17:21

And good luck to them.... btw hive needs its batteries needs replacing …And good luck to them.... btw hive needs its batteries needs replacing every 10monthe unlike nest


Good point. Better budget an extra £1/year for batteries.
Or connect it to a 5/6v transformer if you can't spare an extra pound...
I’m moving out in a few weeks and don’t actually know what the boiler is.. all I know is that it’s a couple of years old.

I’m thinking of buying the active heating and hot water and getting it fitted (£159) - should this work for any boiler? Or do I need to wait and find out what boiler it is?
newnesy8928/11/2019 19:41

I’m moving out in a few weeks and don’t actually know what the boiler is.. …I’m moving out in a few weeks and don’t actually know what the boiler is.. all I know is that it’s a couple of years old.I’m thinking of buying the active heating and hot water and getting it fitted (£159) - should this work for any boiler? Or do I need to wait and find out what boiler it is?


I would wait and see as Im not sure dual channel can be used as a single if you didn't need it
bagga21228/11/2019 17:21

And good luck to them.... btw hive needs its batteries needs replacing …And good luck to them.... btw hive needs its batteries needs replacing every 10monthe unlike nest


Much rather a portable battery powered device where I change them once a year over having to plug the thermostat into the mains and be limited by that
anti558028/11/2019 21:51

Does anyone know if this one from Hive directly will do hot water as well? …Does anyone know if this one from Hive directly will do hot water as well? I already have the hub. hivehome.com/products/hive-active-hubless-heating


Yes, but only if you have a combi boiler.
newnesy8928/11/2019 22:14

Yes, but only if you have a combi boiler.


Thanks for that. No I don’t have a combi boiler however when you proceed to buy it, it does ask if you have a separate hot water tank and they’ll send you the correct thermostat for the same price. I’m assuming that will be fine for hot water?
anti558028/11/2019 22:20

Thanks for that. No I don’t have a combi boiler however when you proceed t …Thanks for that. No I don’t have a combi boiler however when you proceed to buy it, it does ask if you have a separate hot water tank and they’ll send you the correct thermostat for the same price. I’m assuming that will be fine for hot water?


Yes, it’s the same price either way. The “active heating” is for combi only and the “active heating and hot water” is for standard boilers. I think the only difference is the thermostat.
newnesy8928/11/2019 22:40

Yes, it’s the same price either way. The “active heating” is for combi only …Yes, it’s the same price either way. The “active heating” is for combi only and the “active heating and hot water” is for standard boilers. I think the only difference is the thermostat.


Cool. Thanks for the clarification.
I only received the Thermostat, even though the box contents are supposed to be the full kit. On it's own the thermostat is useless, it would only upgrade an existing system. The comments on Amazon indicates a lot of other people have had the same problem.
bagga21228/11/2019 17:24

List of compatible opentherm boilers …List of compatible opentherm boilers https://www.theheatinghub.co.uk/opentherm-boilers-controls-compatibility-guidehttps://myboiler.com/opentherm/opentherm-boilers-and-controls/


Looks like Worcester has to use their own propriety units.
After skim reading the two links I still can't see where it quantify why it's better?
Open source codes, fine, it may use more optimised codes, fine, it may be more accurate at pwm on switching boiler on/off fine. Where does it gives numbers and comparisons on how much one can save during x time? Vs less smart (hive) on off switches.

The initial outlay is higher than Hive it seems, when do you get the return?

Edit: Since it has been around for 10+ years there must be some significant evidence to suggest that this is the better way for more efficient boiler.
Eg businesses like Worcester bosch would advocate something like extra 5+ years warranty if it does actually make the boiler last longer. Or save on gas bills if it can be quantified. If it really is that good, we should see numbers.
Edited by: "Inquisitor" 29th Nov 2019
Inquisitor29/11/2019 11:54

Looks like Worcester has to use their own propriety units. After skim …Looks like Worcester has to use their own propriety units. After skim reading the two links I still can't see where it quantify why it's better? Open source codes, fine, it may use more optimised codes, fine, it may be more accurate at pwm on switching boiler on/off fine. Where does it gives numbers and comparisons on how much one can save during x time? Vs less smart (hive) on off switches. The initial outlay is higher than Hive it seems, when do you get the return?


Go look at £130 nest thread
Inquisitor29/11/2019 11:54

Looks like Worcester has to use their own propriety units. After skim …Looks like Worcester has to use their own propriety units. After skim reading the two links I still can't see where it quantify why it's better? Open source codes, fine, it may use more optimised codes, fine, it may be more accurate at pwm on switching boiler on/off fine. Where does it gives numbers and comparisons on how much one can save during x time? Vs less smart (hive) on off switches. The initial outlay is higher than Hive it seems, when do you get the return?Edit: Since it has been around for 10+ years there must be some significant evidence to suggest that this is the better way for more efficient boiler. Eg businesses like Worcester bosch would advocate something like extra 5+ years warranty if it does actually make the boiler last longer. Or save on gas bills if it can be quantified. If it really is that good, we should see numbers.


Worcester want you to buy there proprietary controller called the wave. Am sure it does similar stuff
Can the hive active heating work with a Worcester combi boiler?
newnesy8929/11/2019 19:50

Can the hive active heating work with a Worcester combi boiler?


Also, does this seem to be the best deal for “hive active heating” (combi) without installation?
PintOfGuinness28/11/2019 20:48

I would wait and see as Im not sure dual channel can be used as a single …I would wait and see as Im not sure dual channel can be used as a single if you didn't need it


Dual channel can be used with a combi, just wires slightly different and also has the button for hot water on stat but it is redundant. IF it's cheaper to get hot water/heating one then do it if not just buy heating, if you don't know what boiler it is get dual.
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