Hive Active Heating + Hot Water Back Down To £124.99 From (£178.99) @ Screwfix
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Hive Active Heating + Hot Water Back Down To £124.99 From (£178.99) @ Screwfix

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Found 30th Mar 2016
Back down in price. May be an alternative to the recent deal from Amazon. The price adjusts automatically when the item is added to the basket.

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Nope... Add to basket and price gets discounted.
Same price on amazon
This or the nest v3? Any advice? Thanks.
Same price on Amazon too
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5Rivers79

This or the nest v3? Any advice? Thanks.



​IMHO The hive looks more aesthetically pleasing, but feel the Nest is slightly more 'feature rich'. For example, it has the ability to track your usual heating patterns and adapt the temperature according to this history automatically.
...need something like this to control individual rooms, rather than the whole house, and it starts to get very expensive when you start adding zones. Evohome might be more cost effective for this possibly, not sure, any thoughts?
joey_corlione

...need something like this to control individual rooms, rather than the … ...need something like this to control individual rooms, rather than the whole house, and it starts to get very expensive when you start adding zones. Evohome might be more cost effective for this possibly, not sure, any thoughts?



Evohome will depend on the number of radiators in your home and your average heating bill. We've got 14 radiators and an oil boiler (oil is cheap at the moment), I figured the payback period on evohome would be around 10 years for me, so too long as far as I am concerned. There are potentially other options for you though - depending on your setup you might be able to zone your central heating (e.g. upstairs/downstairs) with a Nest for each zone. Depends on cost and whether two zones is enough for you.
At a time when the world is trying to reduce our carbon footprint, a device that turns the burners on before you get home is a shocking invention, behind the outdoor heater.
gleechy

At a time when the world is trying to reduce our carbon footprint, a … At a time when the world is trying to reduce our carbon footprint, a device that turns the burners on before you get home is a shocking invention, behind the outdoor heater.



Or allows you to turn it off when not needed!
Any deals on the upgrade kit? Only want the shiny new thermostat!

tado seems better than both?

PowerPantsPete

​IMHO The hive looks more aesthetically pleasing, but feel the Nest is s … ​IMHO The hive looks more aesthetically pleasing, but feel the Nest is slightly more 'feature rich'. For example, it has the ability to track your usual heating patterns and adapt the temperature according to this history automatically.


gleechy

At a time when the world is trying to reduce our carbon footprint, a … At a time when the world is trying to reduce our carbon footprint, a device that turns the burners on before you get home is a shocking invention, behind the outdoor heater.



The nest thermostat is actually far more sophisticated than simply turning on the burners before you get home. For example if you get home at 5 then a traditional thermostat would probably need to be set to turn on at 4 to get the house warm regardless of the temperature outside. A nest learns how long it takes your system to warm the house up so will only use just enough energy to get your house warm when you want it warm. So in essence far from wasting energy it actually saves it.
Im an installer for both hive and nest. Nest is by far the more superior thermostat. If you want the gimmicks of being able to control your heating while your out then yes hive is for you, but if you want intelligent control over your heating... go for nest! Also if you are with npower you can get nest for an extra £5
Do these have to be installed by a engineer?
just purchased the heating one only as got a combi boiler. Hoping able to install myself? thoughts welcomed
If youve got british gas cover, get them round for a fault, and while they are there, they can supply and fit for 149quid
ddlee1

just purchased the heating one only as got a combi boiler. Hoping able to … just purchased the heating one only as got a combi boiler. Hoping able to install myself? thoughts welcomed



Follow the instructions, there spot on, what boilers it to go on
ddlee1

just purchased the heating one only as got a combi boiler. Hoping able to … just purchased the heating one only as got a combi boiler. Hoping able to install myself? thoughts welcomed



Both nest and hive come with installation / connection instructions... Very straightforward if you are comfortable working around electric, but bare in mind that neither manufacturer will honour warranty for installations that aren't done by one of their trained engineers. (Nest have a unique installer id that needs to be registered into the thermostat when installing so they know if its been done correctly).
They can't sell a self install kit and then not honour the warranty on it.

As for the nest vs hive thing: if you have a strict schedule and don't like control - nest. If your schedule isn't fixed, or you like control, hive.
ddlee1

just purchased the heating one only as got a combi boiler. Hoping able to … just purchased the heating one only as got a combi boiler. Hoping able to install myself? thoughts welcomed


Fitted mine today, very easy, took me around half an hour, as long as you can do basic electrics you should be fine
bcfcrule

Or allows you to turn it off when not needed!


That's not even an argument, you turn it off before leaving the property, duh!!
Daerve

The nest thermostat is actually far more sophisticated than simply … The nest thermostat is actually far more sophisticated than simply turning on the burners before you get home. For example if you get home at 5 then a traditional thermostat would probably need to be set to turn on at 4 to get the house warm regardless of the temperature outside. A nest learns how long it takes your system to warm the house up so will only use just enough energy to get your house warm when you want it warm. So in essence far from wasting energy it actually saves it.


University of codswallop. it learns nothing and it takes your control and laughs at you and wastes energy what planet are you on?
gleechy

University of codswallop. it learns nothing and it takes your control and … University of codswallop. it learns nothing and it takes your control and laughs at you and wastes energy what planet are you on?


Probably the intelligence planet or the rationality planet. You should visit sometime.
wolves2013

Follow the instructions, there spot on, what boilers it to go on



​sounds promising. logic 35 combi.
souljacker

Fitted mine today, very easy, took me around half an hour, as long as you … Fitted mine today, very easy, took me around half an hour, as long as you can do basic electrics you should be fine



​nice one. fingers crossed then
5Rivers79

This or the nest v3? Any advice? Thanks.



​For me, it's Nest all the way because:
- it's better integrated with other systems
- they are constantly updating the software
- it now does hot water
- nest have also launched location awareness
- the 3rd generation is very very slick

Also ...
- if you know anyone with npower, ask them to buy it for you at the discounted rate (£129.99)
Interesting thread. I was the sales manager for Passiv Systems (another alternative to hive or nest) until recently, and as such had to learn what "the enemy" could do. Hive was the original and worked well, but Nest took the control and the overall saving to new levels. Honeywell (evohome) was just too expensive, I sized them up out of genuine interest and it was around five grand to do my three bed semi. Tado was excellent too. In the end I opted for a z_wave controller as standalone and began assembling my own home automation solution. That's a modular and ongoing solution, which is future proof. One thing to be aware of. Nest is a marketing tool for Google. During our trials of it, I noticed that when I had the system set to come on at random times of night, the Gmail account linked with it started advertising sleeping pills. When I cranked the heating for an hour in the middle of the day, I got adverts for dog food, and pet insurance. If that bothers you, then Tado or Hive are for you.
Also to the guy saying it's bad for the environment, that is like having a prius and ragging it everywhere you drive. Used properly these systems save around 20% in your heating bills, it's proven through industry studies and advocated as being a great idea, so much so that in some eco deals for new more efficient boilers, they ring fence part of the funding for smart heating controls. No offence to you but you're wrong to put these down. They work by reducing the vast majority of people's (who don't ride their thermostat) boiler burn times. This saves them money and in turn helps reduce waste of fuel.
philstoker

Interesting thread. I was the sales manager for Passiv Systems (another … Interesting thread. I was the sales manager for Passiv Systems (another alternative to hive or nest) until recently, and as such had to learn what "the enemy" could do. Hive was the original and worked well, but Nest took the control and the overall saving to new levels. Honeywell (evohome) was just too expensive, I sized them up out of genuine interest and it was around five grand to do my three bed semi. Tado was excellent too. In the end I opted for a z_wave controller as standalone and began assembling my own home automation solution. That's a modular and ongoing solution, which is future proof. One thing to be aware of. Nest is a marketing tool for Google. During our trials of it, I noticed that when I had the system set to come on at random times of night, the Gmail account linked with it started advertising sleeping pills. When I cranked the heating for an hour in the middle of the day, I got adverts for dog food, and pet insurance. If that bothers you, then Tado or Hive are for you.




This is where I have ended up, I am planning out using the eQ-3 MAX! radiator and room stats, with separate water controller but still lots to read on what else you can do.
gleechy

University of codswallop. it learns nothing and it takes your control and … University of codswallop. it learns nothing and it takes your control and laughs at you and wastes energy what planet are you on?



Not only are you wrong but you're also rather rude.
joey_corlione

...need something like this to control individual rooms, rather than the … ...need something like this to control individual rooms, rather than the whole house, and it starts to get very expensive when you start adding zones. Evohome might be more cost effective for this possibly, not sure, any thoughts?



Or tado
Chrrye

Probably the intelligence planet or the rationality planet. You should … Probably the intelligence planet or the rationality planet. You should visit sometime.


And you say this so as not to look stupid having already committed to this hype, clever guy.
philstoker

Also to the guy saying it's bad for the environment, that is like having … Also to the guy saying it's bad for the environment, that is like having a prius and ragging it everywhere you drive. Used properly these systems save around 20% in your heating bills, it's proven through industry studies and advocated as being a great idea, so much so that in some eco deals for new more efficient boilers, they ring fence part of the funding for smart heating controls. No offence to you but you're wrong to put these down. They work by reducing the vast majority of people's (who don't ride their thermostat) boiler burn times. This saves them money and in turn helps reduce waste of fuel.


I understand you have a job to keep making sure as many people don't see that they could quite easily control their heating with proper controls that don't take over, but this doesn't excuse selling an item based on forgetful people not turning their heating off before leaving the house.
Unless you hadn't noticed the studies wouldn't be published if they didn't show positives, but if you don't have the ability to think for yourself I'm afraid they have you at a loss.
I'm sure it all looks nice and some people are impressed with technical terms but as a general product it takes more away from the environment than is necessary and therefore I'm out.
Daerve

Not only are you wrong but you're also rather rude.


Sorry to un impress you but I didn't want to over repeat something that is glaringly obvious, you see I'm right, maybe in the minority on this thread which I presume is predominantly seen by people who have committed to this scam and couldn't bear to loose face.
This is a product which is very functional and with it, but not as a money saving device which is the pretence that the majority are buying it.
gleechy

Sorry to un impress you but I didn't want to over repeat something that … Sorry to un impress you but I didn't want to over repeat something that is glaringly obvious, you see I'm right, maybe in the minority on this thread which I presume is predominantly seen by people who have committed to this scam and couldn't bear to loose face.This is a product which is very functional and with it, but not as a money saving device which is the pretence that the majority are buying it.



Actually it's common sense - of course it's going to help with the bills. It's not a miracle cure, it will have a small effect. For example, if you're going out for the day, chances are you'd probably forget to turn the heating off if you had an old programmer and stat. With hive, if I get more than 700 yards down the road, I get a notification to ask if I'd like to turn my heating down.

It also seems to be quite a lot more accurate than my old stat. If my old stat was set to 20c, it would heat up to about 21.5, then switch off until about 19. The hive switches on around 19.5 and off at 20.
gleechy

I understand you have a job to keep making sure as many people don't see … I understand you have a job to keep making sure as many people don't see that they could quite easily control their heating with proper controls that don't take over, but this doesn't excuse selling an item based on forgetful people not turning their heating off before leaving the house. Unless you hadn't noticed the studies wouldn't be published if they didn't show positives, but if you don't have the ability to think for yourself I'm afraid they have you at a loss.I'm sure it all looks nice and some people are impressed with technical terms but as a general product it takes more away from the environment than is necessary and therefore I'm out.



​I think it's possible to add illiterate to the accusations that you are rude. I *used* to be in the industry. Left it to go to a totally different working world. I this have no vested interest in these being successful or not. Here's a few actual facts for you though: heating bill 2014 - £1175. Heating bill 2015, £875. Change to prices, minus 5%. The rest? Intelligent heating. Lifestyle changes mean I had the heating on more. However, you household thermostat, that yellow dial on the wall, or your manufacturer issued digital one, is accurate to between 2 and 3 degrees. Nest, Tado and hive along with my old lot, offer accuracy to 0.5 degrees. The effect of your system is that your stat aims for 20 degrees, hits target and then heads on up to 22. (overheated energy wasted). It gets there, and then slams on the brakes, heading back down to 20 as it's too warm. It misses 20 and hits 18. (underheated). Your wife/husband/master shivers in the arm chair at the four degree swing, and walks over and cranks the stat to 22 degrees. The cycle repeats and you are wasting energy. This isn't conjecture. It's an environment agency doctrine generated to ask people to improve their heating habits.

Let's move past the bit where I am right and you are wrong and move onto your troll like tendencies. Does it make your heat hotter by insulting someone on a social platform for sh*ts and giggles? Does it stoke your coals? Well done big man. Good for you.

Technology isn't for everyone. I sold it ethically and with industry leading data and knowledge. It sounds like you need to climb down off your soap box and burn it to keep warm.
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philstoker

​I think it's possible to add illiterate to the accusations that you are r … ​I think it's possible to add illiterate to the accusations that you are rude. I *used* to be in the industry. Left it to go to a totally different working world. I this have no vested interest in these being successful or not. Here's a few actual facts for you though: heating bill 2014 - £1175. Heating bill 2015, £875. Change to prices, minus 5%. The rest? Intelligent heating. Lifestyle changes mean I had the heating on more. However, you household thermostat, that yellow dial on the wall, or your manufacturer issued digital one, is accurate to between 2 and 3 degrees. Nest, Tado and hive along with my old lot, offer accuracy to 0.5 degrees. The effect of your system is that your stat aims for 20 degrees, hits target and then heads on up to 22. (overheated energy wasted). It gets there, and then slams on the brakes, heading back down to 20 as it's too warm. It misses 20 and hits 18. (underheated). Your wife/husband/master shivers in the arm chair at the four degree swing, and walks over and cranks the stat to 22 degrees. The cycle repeats and you are wasting energy. This isn't conjecture. It's an environment agency doctrine generated to ask people to improve their heating habits. Let's move past the bit where I am right and you are wrong and move onto your troll like tendencies. Does it make your heat hotter by insulting someone on a social platform for sh*ts and giggles? Does it stoke your coals? Well done big man. Good for you. Technology isn't for everyone. I sold it ethically and with industry leading data and knowledge. It sounds like you need to climb down off your soap box and burn it to keep warm.



​I don't know you, but REALLY like you! Yours sincerely OP.
PowerPantsPete

​I don't know you, but REALLY like you! Yours sincerely OP.


If this was a site for your convenience it would be job well done on your figures, try to think outside your little box and the concept of delivering this to normal people who don't leave the heating on whilst they go out and actually use their stat to turn the heating to what feels comfortable, and turn the system off when not needed. There now can you see this isn't your world the system you have bought into is an up to date luxury benefitting some forgetful people.
Don't come running to me when your heating won't turn off and you can't work out why because the computer says no. Nice to see you have a friend who likes you for what you say, maybe you could sell them one of these scams systems.
bma1445

Actually it's common sense - of course it's going to help with the bills. … Actually it's common sense - of course it's going to help with the bills. It's not a miracle cure, it will have a small effect. For example, if you're going out for the day, chances are you'd probably forget to turn the heating off if you had an old programmer and stat. With hive, if I get more than 700 yards down the road, I get a notification to ask if I'd like to turn my heating down.It also seems to be quite a lot more accurate than my old stat. If my old stat was set to 20c, it would heat up to about 21.5, then switch off until about 19. The hive switches on around 19.5 and off at 20.


Did you really think about that before writing? "if you're going out, chances are you'd probably leave the heating on" Not if you have an eye on saving money and for the odd occasion that you do it'll teach you to not forget, you certainly don't need to buy a new system for that, and for the stat you set it to a comfortable temperature and leave, it will kick in when it gets too cold, if it doesn't get a new stat that does, the rest is sales talk, I don't gain anything by having a negative view but at least it's my own and without prejudice which is more than I can say for some.
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