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Holdsworth Elan Sram Apex 1 Flat Bar Disc Urban Road Bike £499.99 @ Planet X
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Holdsworth Elan Sram Apex 1 Flat Bar Disc Urban Road Bike £499.99 @ Planet X

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Posted 28th Sep 2018
I think this is a great deal, and the dropped bar version is £200 more . It's steel, which is a rarity now. single sram 11 speed gearing for simplicity and security. Hydraulic brakes,again a premium. I think if you were to build this the components would cost you a £1k.
I don't know the weight, and pedals cost extra ( best to buy your own) and yes you can buy a 20 year old Corsa for £500 !
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Beautiful looking bike, bought after alcohol this evening, I hope I don't regret it. I particularly like the single front cog I have this on my cervelo Now to find an excuse for n + 1 (9)
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I was looking for something like this last year. Now have another bike but would have got this instead. Voted hot
Weight is the big question on this. The drop bar version is still a good price
CantGetNoSleep22 m ago

Weight is the big question on this. The drop bar version is still a good …Weight is the big question on this. The drop bar version is still a good price


You say that, but compared to what I weigh ...
Seems good value. I'd be curious to know the weight penalty for having a steel frame. I prefer steel and titanium over carbon and aluminium but it would still be useful to know the weight. I think this is very niche though, the majority of people look for aluminium or carbon frames now it seems as most people are obsessed with weight but steel and titanium normally provide a more comfortable ride everything else being equal and don't suffer as much with fatigue as aluminium or have the common manufacturing defects or brittleness of carbon.
Slightly different group set and not flat bar came in at 11.5kg according to this group chat:

bikeradar.com/for…541

Fantastic post OP will make a fantastic commuter
Edited by: "Bertz99" 28th Sep 2018
CantGetNoSleep48 m ago

Weight is the big question on this. The drop bar version is still a good …Weight is the big question on this. The drop bar version is still a good price




48cm is about 12kg apparently.

bikeradar.com/for…541
The frame and forks in medium are about 3.5kg, so no featherweight, but simple single chainset helps keeps the weight in check.
Would make a great simple tough touring bike. Also would make a cracking ebike with a rear hub conversion kit scrub that, the ebike wheel would most likely not take a 11 speed cassette
Edited by: "rugman" 28th Sep 2018
Comes with 25mm tyres and doesn't say max size.
If using for winter (or summer with the now permanent awful state of British roads) I'd recommended minimum of 32mm, then needs a little extra space for guards.
Beautiful looking bike, bought after alcohol this evening, I hope I don't regret it. I particularly like the single front cog I have this on my cervelo Now to find an excuse for n + 1 (9)
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bonzobanana28/09/2018 21:34

Seems good value. I'd be curious to know the weight penalty for having a …Seems good value. I'd be curious to know the weight penalty for having a steel frame. I prefer steel and titanium over carbon and aluminium but it would still be useful to know the weight. I think this is very niche though, the majority of people look for aluminium or carbon frames now it seems as most people are obsessed with weight but steel and titanium normally provide a more comfortable ride everything else being equal and don't suffer as much with fatigue as aluminium or have the common manufacturing defects or brittleness of carbon.


I've got a steel frame gravel bike with carbon forks and SRAM Force 1. It is significantly heavier than my carbon road bike. But you don't buy a bike this this based on the weight. If you want a lightweight carbon road bike, buy a lightweight carbon road bike!

I don't really know what this bike is meant to be. Who buys a steel framed road bike with flat bars? (apart from hipsters with fixies).
Steel is more commonly used on CX/gravel bikes with 35-40c tyres. I also cant see any mounts for a rear pannier, which also seems odd if its an urban commuting bike.
Good price though if it does what you want from it, but personally I think its a hybird that offers too much compromise. I would either want drops (and it would be a road bike), or something more oriented towards commuting or offroad.
skdotcom29/09/2018 10:38

I've got a steel frame gravel bike with carbon forks and SRAM Force 1. It …I've got a steel frame gravel bike with carbon forks and SRAM Force 1. It is significantly heavier than my carbon road bike. But you don't buy a bike this this based on the weight. If you want a lightweight carbon road bike, buy a lightweight carbon road bike!I don't really know what this bike is meant to be. Who buys a steel framed road bike with flat bars? (apart from hipsters with fixies).Steel is more commonly used on CX/gravel bikes with 35-40c tyres. I also cant see any mounts for a rear pannier, which also seems odd if its an urban commuting bike.Good price though if it does what you want from it, but personally I think its a hybird that offers too much compromise. I would either want drops (and it would be a road bike), or something more oriented towards commuting or offroad.


Getting it for rides out with kids , don't need it though, I love steel ever since having an original p7. Actually thinking about it, I already have the p7, voodoo steel framed wanga and genesis day one with alfine hub. Oops I better cancel the order!
whatsthematter12 h, 18 m ago

Comes with 25mm tyres and doesn't say max size.If using for winter (or …Comes with 25mm tyres and doesn't say max size.If using for winter (or summer with the now permanent awful state of British roads) I'd recommended minimum of 32mm, then needs a little extra space for guards.


the holdsworth-elan title page states clearance for 28 mm tyres whilst supporting full mud guards
skdotcom29/09/2018 10:38

Who buys a steel framed road bike with flat bars? (apart from hipsters …Who buys a steel framed road bike with flat bars? (apart from hipsters with fixies).Steel is more commonly used on CX/gravel bikes with 35-40c tyres.


You sort have half answered yourself - it is popular with cx/gravel because the flex and ability to take a bashing - similar attributes you would want from a work horse being dumped in town.

Like you, my own commuter preference is a steel with drop bars but by far the majority of bikes sold are flat bars and will be used on roads which compared to others the components on this, hydraulics with a simplified drive chain makes me think it is far from a bad buy.
skdotcom29/09/2018 10:38

I've got a steel frame gravel bike with carbon forks and SRAM Force 1. It …I've got a steel frame gravel bike with carbon forks and SRAM Force 1. It is significantly heavier than my carbon road bike. But you don't buy a bike this this based on the weight. If you want a lightweight carbon road bike, buy a lightweight carbon road bike!I don't really know what this bike is meant to be. Who buys a steel framed road bike with flat bars? (apart from hipsters with fixies).Steel is more commonly used on CX/gravel bikes with 35-40c tyres. I also cant see any mounts for a rear pannier, which also seems odd if its an urban commuting bike.Good price though if it does what you want from it, but personally I think its a hybird that offers too much compromise. I would either want drops (and it would be a road bike), or something more oriented towards commuting or offroad.


Interesting combination of steel frame and carbon forks. I've followed the Luescher Technik youtube channel who is an expert on Carbon forks and frame failures and often cuts open failed frames. JRA failures (just riding along) seem much worse with carbon forks than carbon frames. I understand not all carbon forks are created equal but there is even a case for having chromoly steel forks and carbon frames from a safety aspect but no one does that. For me the ideal combination for a gravel bike would probably be titanium frame and chromoly steel forks but then I'm a heavy rider so carbon provides little benefit when the weight difference is insignificant compared to my body weight. I could probably lose the difference in weight purely by light dieting and exercise over a couple of weeks. I guess my point is if you are happy with carbon forks on a gravel bike then I would of thought you would also be suitable for a full carbon frame for a gravel bike but I realise this depends on the specific parts.
neil.solender3 h, 24 m ago

Getting it for rides out with kids , don't need it though, I love steel …Getting it for rides out with kids , don't need it though, I love steel ever since having an original p7. Actually thinking about it, I already have the p7, voodoo steel framed wanga and genesis day one with alfine hub. Oops I better cancel the order!


Genesis Day One is a fab bike. deffo dont need the Holdsworth too. Although perhaps I should 'fess up and admit I have 7 bikes....
Bertz9929/09/2018 11:33

You sort have half answered yourself - it is popular with cx/gravel …You sort have half answered yourself - it is popular with cx/gravel because the flex and ability to take a bashing - similar attributes you would want from a work horse being dumped in town.Like you, my own commuter preference is a steel with drop bars but by far the majority of bikes sold are flat bars and will be used on roads which compared to others the components on this, hydraulics with a simplified drive chain makes me think it is far from a bad buy.


Yeah, lots of flat bar bikes out there, but they aint road bikes which is what this is. I bet 95% of those flat bar bikes also have pannier rack mounts too. If you want a road bike witthout drops , then this bike fits the bill, otherwise its a bit compromised as a commuter, especially as it only takes up to 28c tyres.
How would the Carerra Gryphon compare to this?
bonzobanana29th Sep 2018

Interesting combination of steel frame and carbon forks. I've followed the …Interesting combination of steel frame and carbon forks. I've followed the Luescher Technik youtube channel who is an expert on Carbon forks and frame failures and often cuts open failed frames. JRA failures (just riding along) seem much worse with carbon forks than carbon frames. I understand not all carbon forks are created equal but there is even a case for having chromoly steel forks and carbon frames from a safety aspect but no one does that. For me the ideal combination for a gravel bike would probably be titanium frame and chromoly steel forks but then I'm a heavy rider so carbon provides little benefit when the weight difference is insignificant compared to my body weight. I could probably lose the difference in weight purely by light dieting and exercise over a couple of weeks. I guess my point is if you are happy with carbon forks on a gravel bike then I would of thought you would also be suitable for a full carbon frame for a gravel bike but I realise this depends on the specific parts.


This is my steel commuter bike. I dont ride it hard, so have no concerns about the forks. If I want to go off road I jump on my 29er instead.
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Edited by: "skdotcom" 29th Sep 2018
dead4red6925 m ago

How would the Carerra Gryphon compare to this?


Not well....
Generally everything on the Carrera is a lower spec component. It is a hybrid bike, rather than a road bike, so will be a bit slower, but more suited for commuting.
dead4red6944 m ago

How would the Carerra Gryphon compare to this?


That looks a nice bike but there is quite a lot of differences in specification. A good budget option though. Also consider the Carrera Subway models, stronger, more abusable bikes ideal for commuting, touring and even light off road use.
skdotcom4 h, 27 m ago

Yeah, lots of flat bar bikes out there, but they aint road bikes which is …Yeah, lots of flat bar bikes out there, but they aint road bikes which is what this is. I bet 95% of those flat bar bikes also have pannier rack mounts too. If you want a road bike witthout drops , then this bike fits the bill, otherwise its a bit compromised as a commuter, especially as it only takes up to 28c tyres.


Personally don't like panniers on my commuter and whilst some do the inbalance and change in weight distribution to me makes more sense on a tourer that needs to carry more.

For me with showers and lockers provided I have no issue getting a sweaty back and can fit everything into a mid size rucksack needed and then in the worse conditions do not have to adjust as much.

Also plenty manufacturers from Giant, Cube, Whyte to even Bianchi do flat bar road bikes.

Compared to the compromises as another raised here of a far lower spec bike I think you could do far worse. 28mm limit on tyres you will want to stick to roads for your commute - and here I guess it is what sort of commuting you do and what you require.
There's a drop bar version too which for my money is the better buy. Looks fantastic value, won't be "light" but it's a steel tourer. And steel is, in fact, quite real
jadedweasel29/09/2018 20:16

There's a drop bar version too which for my money is the better buy. Looks …There's a drop bar version too which for my money is the better buy. Looks fantastic value, won't be "light" but it's a steel tourer. And steel is, in fact, quite real

The extra £200 for the drop bar version seems excessive. Some people prefer the classic bars, and with planet X you can choose a variety of styles for no extra cost.
kramer208829/09/2018 20:34

The extra £200 for the drop bar version seems excessive. Some people …The extra £200 for the drop bar version seems excessive. Some people prefer the classic bars, and with planet X you can choose a variety of styles for no extra cost.


Sorry, my mistake. The £499 drop bar is the brevet: planetx.co.uk/i/q…ike
jadedweasel29/09/2018 21:01

Sorry, my mistake. The £499 drop bar is the brevet: …Sorry, my mistake. The £499 drop bar is the brevet: https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBHOLBREVAPEX1/holdsworth-brevet-sram-apex-1-road-bike


A strange one that, front brake caliper, rear disc? Also ugly colour scheme!
kramer208829/09/2018 22:16

A strange one that, front brake caliper, rear disc? Also ugly colour …A strange one that, front brake caliper, rear disc? Also ugly colour scheme!


Brakes are basic tektro calipers all round, that's just the 11-42 cassette you're seeing on the rear.

Eye of the beholder, I quite like it. It's insanely cheap too.
jadedweasel10 h, 51 m ago

Brakes are basic tektro calipers all round, that's just the 11-42 cassette …Brakes are basic tektro calipers all round, that's just the 11-42 cassette you're seeing on the rear.Eye of the beholder, I quite like it. It's insanely cheap too.


The detailed description says hydraulic disk brakes, but obviously a mistake.
The drop bar Holdsworth Elan Sram Apex 1 Hydro Disc Road Bike is now £500 as well. Link.
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