Hopper E-Club Folding 6 Speed Electric Bike 20" - £399.99 @ Parkers of Bolton
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Hopper E-Club Folding 6 Speed Electric Bike 20" - £399.99 @ Parkers of Bolton

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Found 31st May 2017
Well spec'd folding e-bike with 250W hub motor and 8.8Ah 24V battery. A mid-level spec with a very entry level price. Hopper is a generic name used across many Viking e-bikes of varying spec. The entry level models I think are 5Ah and 200W hub motors. This has a retro tan colouring to the tyres, saddle and handgrips. It has mainly chrome plated parts not painted like some other versions. The seat tube is etched for improved grip and reduced movement. The frame seat tube height and high spoke count indicate a fairly strong model. 3 assist speeds and a low 3hr charging time. It also features a fair few branded parts.

The design means easy to ride as a normal bike when battery is flat. Negatives, lack of rear rack or lights fitted. Also lack of handlebar height adjustment. Freewheel based rather than cassette which is normal but higher quality e-bikes use cassettes but those aren't normally anywhere near this price, you can pay 2-3x this much and still get a freewheel on some models.

Same bike is available for £600 on the same site with a different colour scheme.

Perfect for commuting to work, quick shopping trips or just a leisure ride, the Hopper E-Club folding electric bike comes equipped with a robust high tensile steel frame which can be folded for easy storage or transportation. The 6 speed gears with Shimano RevoShift twist gear shifter offers simple and effective gear changes with minimal movement. The E-Club provides an assisted range of of up to 20 miles from its powerful 24 Volt 8.8Ah battery. Rather than having a throttle, the motor helps you along when you start to pedal. With the six speed Shimano drivetrain you can still choose a comfortable gear and select the level of motor assistance you require depending on the terrain. Assisted E-bikes are limited to about 15 mph (25kph) and do not require any form of insurance, should you wish the E-Club can be ridden without the battery as a regular bike. The Hopper E-Club also benefits from a folding long reach handlebar stem and adjustable comfort saddle which gives a relaxed upright riding position, easy on the back. Powerful alloy V-brakes and levers for confident braking in all conditions. Front and rear fenders, just in case you get caught in the wet.

Specification:

  • Frame: High tensile steel. Folding. Bottom bracket frame stand. Front and rear pannier rack bosses. Front and rear m/guard bosses.
  • Frame Size: 15.5".
  • Fork: 20" High tensile.
  • Gears: Shimano 6 Speed with a Shimano Revoshift shifter, 14-28 tooth Shimano Freewheel. 114 link KMC chain.
  • Chainset: 48 tooth chainwheel with 170mm cranks and a sealed cartridge bottom bracket.
  • Wheels: 20" alloy silver 36 hole rims with CNC braking surfaces.
  • Tyres: Kenda 20" x 1.75" retro beige tyres.
  • Brakes: Alloy V type style brakes with alloy levers.
  • Steering: Promax alloy folding handlebar stem. 600mm riser handlebars.
  • Saddle: Comfort elastomer saddle with a chrome seat post and quick release seat clamp.
  • Electric Parts: 24V-8.8AH Lithium Ion Battery (locking), 24V Charger with 3 hours re-charging time and capable of 20 miles for one charge, PAS Sensor with 6 magnetic points, 250 Watt motor, 24V controller, 3 Mode LED display, on/off switch.
  • Additional Features: Wellgo folding pedals, front and rear fenders. Propstand.
  • Frame Colour: Light Blue.
  • Fork Colour: Silver.
  • Weight: 20kg.
  • Folded Dimensions: 113cm x 113cm x 48cm.
  • Unfolded Dimensions: 80cm minimum seat height. 95cm maximum seat height. 106cm handlebar height. 111cm wheelbase.
  • Cycle Condition: New. This bike is shipped 90% assembled in a sealed box. Inflation of tyres, fitting of pedals, saddle and seat post are necessary. Gears and brakes may require some adjustment prior to riding.
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yikes...20kg tho.
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MRGRINGO1 h, 36 m ago

yikes...20kg tho.


Roughly normal for a folding e-bike. The motorised hub and battery add some significant weight. Looking at this one with an aluminium frame but much lower capacity battery its 18.6kg so about a kilo less.

decathlon.co.uk/500…tml

This one is 32kg but might have a lead acid based battery pack or other non li-ion cell type and the gearing and design looks crude to say the least.

ebay.co.uk/itm…190


How much of an issue is not being able to adjust the handle bar height? Sounds like it could be unusable of you're too tall or too short??
Lol thought that was 'Parked at Bolton's', would be free then?
I had the Viking version of this from hotukdeals when it was £249 a few years ago.


It got me in to electric bikes, however being 24v it is rubbish on hills. Hub motors need to be spinning fast to get the best from them, with this you'll be peddling a 20kg bike near unassisted up a slight hill.

If it's like the Viking it's easy to derestrict and add a throttle.

I'd recommend one of these if your journey is near flat. If you're expecting assistance up anything more than a very gentle slope you'll be disappointed. I sold mine last year for more than I paid for it and went for a 48v 750w bbs02 programmed to put out 1.5kw. It will take me up any hill without peddling - something no hub drive such as the 2kw Chinese specials you see in eBay can't do. Far more expensive once you include the battery but if you already have a decent disc braked bike it's an option.
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andersh29 m ago

How much of an issue is not being able to adjust the handle bar height? …How much of an issue is not being able to adjust the handle bar height? Sounds like it could be unusable of you're too tall or too short??


If you look at the frame tube that holds the seat post it comes up quite high which adds greater support for heavier riders and means less movement for the saddle but looking at the spec there is only 15cm height adjustment for the saddle (6") so it may not be ideal for shorter riders but seems well designed for heavier riders. With this in mind I don't think it needed height adjustable handlebars. So probably not ideal for children or short women but fine for the majority of people.
MRGRINGO

yikes...20kg tho.


The battery and motor can add upto 10kg alone. 20kg is pretty normal for an e-bike. I have a £2100 e-bike that weighs about 25kg.
I got one of the same model a few years ago. It works well and is nippy, but I don't really use it as much as I'd hoped. The folding isn't particularly useful - its still quite big when folded, too heavy to pick up and carry and you can't wheel it along when folded either, so its not much use for getting on and off trains or buses. In practice I would probably just wheel it onto a train like a normal bike anyway.
The only real benefit of the folding is to be allowed to take it on trains during busy times when only folding bikes are allowed, or if you want to put it in a car boot and go for a ride somewhere further from home.
As a cheapish entry to electric bikes though its pretty solid and still runs well years later.

RE jaydeeuk1's comments above - yeah its a bit rubbish on hills I agree. Keep in mind though that even though the output is a bit rubbish, its the max allowed by the stupid old outdated laws we have. A 750w isn't road legal so you might as well be on a Segway. I wish they would make it legal to ride small electric bikes and segways on pavements though it would be so good for the environment, traffic and make commuting much less stressful.

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jaydeeuk1

I had the Viking version of this from hotukdeals when it was £249 a few … I had the Viking version of this from hotukdeals when it was £249 a few years ago.It got me in to electric bikes, however being 24v it is rubbish on hills. Hub motors need to be spinning fast to get the best from them, with this you'll be peddling a 20kg bike near unassisted up a slight hill.If it's like the Viking it's easy to derestrict and add a throttle.I'd recommend one of these if your journey is near flat. If you're expecting assistance up anything more than a very gentle slope you'll be disappointed. I sold mine last year for more than I paid for it and went for a 48v 750w bbs02 programmed to put out 1.5kw. It will take me up any hill without peddling - something no hub drive such as the 2kw Chinese specials you see in eBay can't do. Far more expensive once you include the battery but if you already have a decent disc braked bike it's an option.



I've just checked on that one and looks to be a single gear version with 200W motor and only a 5Ah 24V battery. This is 250W, 8.8Ah and you have 6 gears so should be able to select a low gear and with the more powerful hub motor tackle hills much better and even use it without electrical assist at all which I don't think would be viable with a single gear model. This is also a folding bike too so quite different in spec. I've not tried either bike myself though and don't have your experience but on face value that £249 model looks very limited spec wise. It looks like it would be a nightmare with a single gear when the battery is flat.
bonzobanana

I've just checked on that one and looks to be a single gear version with … I've just checked on that one and looks to be a single gear version with 200W motor and only a 5Ah 24V battery. This is 250W, 8.8Ah and you have 6 gears so should be able to select a low gear and with the more powerful hub motor tackle hills much better and even use it without electrical assist at all which I don't think would be viable with a single gear model. This is also a folding bike too so quite different in spec. I've not tried either bike myself though and don't have your experience but on face value that £249 model looks very limited spec wise. It looks like it would be a nightmare with a single gear when the battery is flat.


I got the SD deal it was a 6 speed alloy frame with 10AH battery at £250 so better than this one. Personally I'd buy a crank assist Raliegh for £1200 odd is far more efficient and uses proven Bocsh technnology rather than cheap commercial gear
Although this is cheap for what it is, if you are serious about commuting to work on an ebike or for more than just around town, these cheap, low power/range folding bikes are not the answer.
If you can get the cycle to work scheme, it really is worthwhile looking at the Halfords Carrera Vulcan ebike at £1k (about £680 after tax etc), get it when on a 10/20% off deal, brings it closer to £600, the difference in these two types of bike is like night and day. Also recommend the Carrera Crossfire-e, but that has gone back up to £1200, so not available on the c2w scheme (but lookout for when they are on offer)
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hughwp

I got the SD deal it was a 6 speed alloy frame with 10AH battery at £250 … I got the SD deal it was a 6 speed alloy frame with 10AH battery at £250 so better than this one. Personally I'd buy a crank assist Raliegh for £1200 odd is far more efficient and uses proven Bocsh technnology rather than cheap commercial gear



That makes sense the offer one I was looking at was a single gear non folding version. 6 speed 10Ah battery for £250 is fantastic but nothing even close to that price currently. £1200 is a totally different price point, 3x the price of this bike and I remember there being a lot of problems with early Bosch e-bike motors. Also Bosch drills that burn out on first use. It's not the company it used to be.

bike-eu.com/sal…453

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hughwp

[here is previous … [here is previous dealhttp://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/e-co-electric-bike-249-99-sports-direct-delivered-1846286?utm_source=Thread%2BSubscription&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1846286&utm_campaign=Comment%2BUpdate



Is that the right deal because when you click on the same bike at Tesco direct link it takes you to a single speed version of lower spec. That is what confused me I thought it was the same bike which is much lower spec and the sports direct link doesn't work now for comparison.
bonzobanana45 m ago

I've just checked on that one and looks to be a single gear version with …I've just checked on that one and looks to be a single gear version with 200W motor and only a 5Ah 24V battery. This is 250W, 8.8Ah and you have 6 gears so should be able to select a low gear and with the more powerful hub motor tackle hills much better and even use it without electrical assist at all which I don't think would be viable with a single gear model. This is also a folding bike too so quite different in spec. I've not tried either bike myself though and don't have your experience but on face value that £249 model looks very limited spec wise. It looks like it would be a nightmare with a single gear when the battery is flat.


As above, the bike I had was actually a better spec than this but £150 less.

Imo save your money.
bonzobanana

Is that the right deal because when you click on the same bike at Tesco … Is that the right deal because when you click on the same bike at Tesco direct link it takes you to a single speed version of lower spec. That is what confused me I thought it was the same bike which is much lower spec and the sports direct link doesn't work now for comparison.


The amazon link takes you to correct one the TEsco links to a more basic one
hughwp

The amazon link takes you to correct one the TEsco links to a more basic … The amazon link takes you to correct one the TEsco links to a more basic one


Here is suppliers spec
avocetsports.co.uk/e-b…-75
hughwp

Here is suppliers spec … Here is suppliers spec http://www.avocetsports.co.uk/e-bikes/product/viking-e-go-6-speed-20-wheel-alloy-folding-electric-bike-black-75


BTW The support from Avocet is not very good I had niggly electric problems that resulted inbike electrics packing up and had to get compatible replacement handlebar and motor controllers of Panda cycles to get it going again and it's still temperamental as best of times with cutting out
rugman

Although this is cheap for what it is, if you are serious about commuting … Although this is cheap for what it is, if you are serious about commuting to work on an ebike or for more than just around town, these cheap, low power/range folding bikes are not the answer.If you can get the cycle to work scheme, it really is worthwhile looking at the Halfords Carrera Vulcan ebike at £1k (about £680 after tax etc), get it when on a 10/20% off deal, brings it closer to £600, the difference in these two types of bike is like night and day. Also recommend the Carrera Crossfire-e, but that has gone back up to £1200, so not available on the c2w scheme (but lookout for when they are on offer)



For the company I work for, we can go up to 6000 for a tax free bike, but using the scheme is brilliant especially if you are a higher tax rate payer.

As an example, I bought a 1250£ mountain bike, found it in the sale for 750 and total cost to me is actually only £450 with the tax deductions off my gross salary.

Certainly worth doing and it's a healthy lifestyle. I've lost enough weight to go to the next belt buckle hole in 8 weeks
jaydeeuk1

If you're expecting assistance up anything more than a very gentle slope … If you're expecting assistance up anything more than a very gentle slope you'll be disappointed. I sold mine last year for more than I paid for it and went for a 48v 750w bbs02 programmed to put out 1.5kw. It will take me up any hill without peddling - something no hub drive such as the 2kw Chinese specials you see in eBay can't do. Far more expensive once you include the battery but if you already have a decent disc braked bike it's an option.


You didn't point out that these are illegal vehicles. If you are ever involved in a collision, you could find yourself in deep water.
Credit to the OP for a comprehensive, thoughtful description, rather than just copying and pasting the marketing drivel like it asks you not to.
pibpob33 m ago

You didn't point out that these are illegal vehicles. If you are ever …You didn't point out that these are illegal vehicles. If you are ever involved in a collision, you could find yourself in deep water.


True, but afaik no one in UK has ever been done for riding an overpowered electric bike.



jaydeeuk1

I'd recommend one of these if your journey is near flat. .



I'd recommend just getting a decent bike and using your legs. Seriously, if your journey is near flat, even the slow can average 15mph without much problem.

Maybe once I'm old and knackered I'd get one of these things but just get fit and strong yourself without resorting to the cycling equivalent of a motability scooter.

To those with the illegal ones - just get a proper moped you clowns.
Edited by: "cheapbiker" 1st Jun 2017
jaydeeuk1

True, but afaik no one in UK has ever been done for riding an overpowered … True, but afaik no one in UK has ever been done for riding an overpowered electric bike.


I wonder how many people have been injured by them? I hope that is zero too. Consider their use on cycle routes - their disproportionate power and speed will make them a danger to everyone else unless the rider exercises constant discipline. There is a reason why these things are limited in law.
jaydeeuk1

I'd recommend one of these if your journey is near flat. .

To those with the illegal ones - just get a proper moped you clowns.


That's being rather dismissive of the elderly and those with disabilities. If it allows someone to get around without using a car then it can only be a good thing.

Agreed.
Edited by: "pibpob" 1st Jun 2017
pibpob12 m ago

I wonder how many people have been injured by them? I hope that is zero …I wonder how many people have been injured by them? I hope that is zero too. Consider their use on cycle routes - their disproportionate power and speed will make them a danger to everyone else unless the rider exercises constant discipline. There is a reason why these things are limited in law.

The number of people injured or killed by being hit by a non electric bike isn't zero, you aren't suddenly immune to prosecution because you peddled in to them rather than an electric motor.

If you don't feel comfortable buying one, or unable to exercise restraint when peddling on cycle lanes then don't get one. For me I feel much safer and more confident being able to keep up with traffic rather than having to ride near the gutter causing a queue of angry cyclist hating drivers.
Monkeyface

Keep in mind though that even though the output is a bit rubbish, its the … Keep in mind though that even though the output is a bit rubbish, its the max allowed by the stupid old outdated laws we have.


I think unfortunately it's not outdated as the recent regs still are only 250W and 25kph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bicycle_laws#European_Union_definition
I can sort of understand the max speed bit as those bikes in China able to do 48kph are scary, although I think 30kph might be a better max target.

But what I can't understand is the max wattage thing as it not only discriminates against users in hilly areas but also against anyone carrying heavy shopping etc.

Seeing how the directive is 2002/24/EC it isn't all that old so surely it must have been considered in countries which take cycling seriously but the best countries for cycling don't have many hills (AFAIK most planning decisions in the Netherlands need to take pedestrian and cycling safety into account). A electric assist motor limited to 250W is not going to that useful on a Dutch bakfiets:
https://i.imgur.com/hrVJLgw.png
jaydeeuk1

The number of people injured or killed by being hit by a non electric … The number of people injured or killed by being hit by a non electric bike isn't zero, you aren't suddenly immune to prosecution because you peddled in to them rather than an electric motor.


Erm, what has that got to do with anything? (The word is "pedalled" by the way.)

If you don't feel comfortable buying one, or unable to exercise restraint … If you don't feel comfortable buying one, or unable to exercise restraint when peddling on cycle lanes then don't get one. For me I feel much safer and more confident being able to keep up with traffic rather than having to ride near the gutter causing a queue of angry cyclist hating drivers.


Then get a motorbike and stay within the law, rather than putting other cyclists in danger by pretending to be one when you aren't.
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hughwp10 h, 30 m ago

Here is suppliers spec …Here is suppliers spec http://www.avocetsports.co.uk/e-bikes/product/viking-e-go-6-speed-20-wheel-alloy-folding-electric-bike-black-75



Avocet/Viking are not one for consistency. When you look at the amazon link and their own site, it's got tensile steel frame, 6hrs charging, 8.5Ah battery and a few other variations. It's like they change the spec to meet different price points for customers.

Still seems a very good price to me based on current competing pricing and I think the spec is pretty good but I think people need to realise this is more about riding as a normal bike with assistance for hills rather than hardly peddling at all. Ideal for people getting back into cycling with limited fitness who would struggle on hills.

Also once you've used up the lifespan of the li-ion batteries, perhaps got yourself fit in 3-4 years you can dump the battery pack and change the front wheel for a basic 20" wheel and you've got a non electric folding bike for normal use which should be then down to a normal 15-16kg. By that time you can hopefully tackle hills un-assisted. So unlike bikes where the electric components are heavily integrated this can be recycled as a normal bike which adds to the value.

Can anyone help - 1 have a hopper 6 speed and need a new battery 10ah 24 volts as the motor just cuts out on hills
Can anyone help - 1 have a hopper 6 speed and need a new battery 10ah 24 volts as the motor just cuts out on hills
>>The design means easy to ride as a normal bike when battery is flat.<<
Does this mean it's got a geared hub motor?

Should be better on hills if so - though they tend to be higher end and generally intended for 36v/48v.

Anyway; seems like a reasonable 'intro' to electric bikes.
You'll probably get a more interesting second hand for the same or less.
bonzobanana

Avocet/Viking are not one for consistency. When you look at the amazon … Avocet/Viking are not one for consistency. When you look at the amazon link and their own site, it's got tensile steel frame, 6hrs charging, 8.5Ah battery and a few other variations. It's like they change the spec to meet different price points for customers. Still seems a very good price to me based on current competing pricing and I think the spec is pretty good but I think people need to realise this is more about riding as a normal bike with assistance for hills rather than hardly peddling at all. Ideal for people getting back into cycling with limited fitness who would struggle on hills. Also once you've used up the lifespan of the li-ion batteries, perhaps got yourself fit in 3-4 years you can dump the battery pack and change the front wheel for a basic 20" wheel and you've got a non electric folding bike for normal use which should be then down to a normal 15-16kg. By that time you can hopefully tackle hills un-assisted. So unlike bikes where the electric components are heavily integrated this can be recycled cheeky as a normal bike which adds to the value.


Seriously the thing is murderous to ride without assist . Removing the battery and motor would amount to a few Kg less and make little difference
gourilla

Can anyone help - 1 have a hopper 6 speed and need a new battery 10ah 24 … Can anyone help - 1 have a hopper 6 speed and need a new battery 10ah 24 volts as the motor just cuts out on hills


I got one off ebay from germany for about 140ukp it was rated at 10AH with new lock panels etc search on "frog" battery
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hughwp12 h, 57 m ago

Seriously the thing is murderous to ride without assist . Removing the …Seriously the thing is murderous to ride without assist . Removing the battery and motor would amount to a few Kg less and make little difference



Why, it's clearly a standard folding bike upgraded to an e-bike. Such folders are normally about 16kg, and this would be about that with the battery pack, electrical bits and front hub removed. It's the same gear ratios as such bikes so why would it be murderous?

The Hoptown 300 folding bike went hot only recently on this site at £129. Thact's 13.2kg and a single gear and people manage to use it.

Obviously it is related to a person's fitness level but as a generalisation I'd have to totally disagree with your comment. There is no difference between this bike and other comparable folding bikes once stripped of the electrical parts.

A basic 20" bmx front wheel can be got for about £12. I don't know how much drag the hub motor has when not assisting but perhaps that is why you say murderous but it is easily replaced. What electrical parts you have can probably be easily sold on to pay for such a simple wheel with much cash left over. However saying that I would hope the bike is good for 3-4 years average use before the batteries decline in capacity. I would hope for at least 400-500 recharges before there is a noticeable reduction in capacity.
Edited by: "bonzobanana" 2nd Jun 2017
. However saying that I would hope the bike is good for 3-4 years average use before the batteries decline in capacity. I would hope for at least 400-500 recharges before there is a noticeable reduction in capacity.[/quote]

I also have a Freego Eagle when I bought it second hand I spoke to the dealers who had serviced the bike about battery life as bike was 4 yrs old and regularly serviced/tested the guy said the battery may only last another year as it was at around 70% original capacity sure enough it failed after 6months. The e-go is 3 yrs old and now does about 15miles at most whereas it did over 20 when new. So I would say a around 10% reduction in capacity per year under normal use is about what you could expect . Storage/charging/riding at low temps also can have an adverse effect on battery
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Li-ion cells normally have a stated performance level by the manufacturer of the cells themselves. 400-500 full charges is normally the claimed level before a major decline in capacity. Partial charges, storage and use temperature, maximum charge level allowed, output current are all variables that effect their lifespan. I guess someone who used their bike every work day perhaps 250 days in a year and used the full charge each way could pretty much only get 1 good year of capacity out of them. I have a lot of experience of li-ion batteries but with power tools not e-bikes so can't speak from experience for e-bikes but do know they use the same actual cells.
The manufacturers 500 odd cycles is a upper limit based on laboratory conditions with optimum charging rates/times temps. When a battery is used dozens of more significant factors will come into play that will affect the lifetime like Quality of charger, storage temps, ageing, discharge rates, time left discharged, time between charges, temperatures during storage discharge and charge even how long you leave it on the charger when full. efficiency of charging equipment and over charge protection etc. All these factors vary between batteries some like to be left on charge when not in use like golf trolley batteries others should be disconnected once fully charged. Lith-ion batteries do not last significantly longer than conventional deep cycle batteries but give greater power under varying loads but do tend to cut out quicker when running low to protect them from undervoltage
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Yes exactly the same issues as power tools as you would expect. Many power tool chargers will charge fast and then taper off the charge rate as the batteries get full. Some won't even fully charge to the capacity of the cells to extend battery life and reduce warranty returns. The tools themselves will often protect the batteries from going below a 20% charge to protect the battery and allow safe storage for months without cell damage. Thermal safety sensors are in both the tool and the charger due to li-ion cells explosive nature. I suspect the issue of customers using their li-ion drill outside and leaving it in clear view of the baking sun leading to cutting out in use probably isn't much different from an e-bike parked in the baking sun and then cutting out when you hit the hills.
andersh

How much of an issue is not being able to adjust the handle bar height? … How much of an issue is not being able to adjust the handle bar height? Sounds like it could be unusable of you're too tall or too short??



​You can get stem extender adaptors, kind of common for this style of bike.
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