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Looks a good option for 256 Gb, 8Gb, Ryzen 5 if you aren't sure on the Lenovo 330s? For your extra £100, you get JL 2 year guarantee. Hopefully also less concern about negative reviews on throttling, and pre-installed adware (although a solution to adware is offered in the comments)? This offer was put up earlier but that thread now has it listed as expired.

"I took a lot of advice from someone pretty knowledgeable before choosing this one. There are Lenovos which are great value for money but they have adware pre installed and as a result some experts recommend avoiding Lenovo. I was going to buy it at £549.99 today, so was delighted when they dropped the price. The John Lewis tech advisor also recommended it."
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aveaorganics23/06/2019 04:42

Yes you could, and yes it would. The clean install would have to be from a …Yes you could, and yes it would. The clean install would have to be from a disc or download though. Their recovery software will just reinstall said spuware


I am 99% sure the way windows licensing works now mean you only need to download a copy of the same version windows and install it. I have done a few machines now and after clean installs no keys have been required as the info is retrieved from Microsoft once it connects to the internet.
More information from MS here.
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Any owner comments on this laptop or competitors would be most welcome, especially Lenovo 330s Ryzen 5.
Is it possible to buy a Lenovo then buy a cheap windows key and do a clean install. Would that not get rid of any adware?
iPwnage23/06/2019 03:18

Is it possible to buy a Lenovo then buy a cheap windows key and do a clean …Is it possible to buy a Lenovo then buy a cheap windows key and do a clean install. Would that not get rid of any adware?


Yes you could, and yes it would. The clean install would have to be from a disc or download though. Their recovery software will just reinstall said spuware
Edited by: "aveaorganics" 23rd Jun
aveaorganics23/06/2019 04:42

Yes you could, and yes it would. The clean install would have to be from a …Yes you could, and yes it would. The clean install would have to be from a disc or download though. Their recovery software will just reinstall said spuware


I am 99% sure the way windows licensing works now mean you only need to download a copy of the same version windows and install it. I have done a few machines now and after clean installs no keys have been required as the info is retrieved from Microsoft once it connects to the internet.
More information from MS here.
Anyone have knowledge is it possible to top up RAM in it?No info about that in item description.
hamodziatko23/06/2019 07:06

I am 99% sure the way windows licensing works now mean you only need to …I am 99% sure the way windows licensing works now mean you only need to download a copy of the same version windows and install it. I have done a few machines now and after clean installs no keys have been required as the info is retrieved from Microsoft once it connects to the internet.More information from MS here.


Yep. I believe the keys are built into the motherboard these days.
Yes the keys are built in - just install a clean version of windows and it will add the key.
iPwnage23/06/2019 03:18

Is it possible to buy a Lenovo then buy a cheap windows key and do a clean …Is it possible to buy a Lenovo then buy a cheap windows key and do a clean install. Would that not get rid of any adware?


Don't bother - just download windows and install it - as long as it's the same version (pro/home) it will just pull the license key off the motherboard...
Any comments on this as a laptop (screen, performance etc) over the 330s?
Alansmithee23/06/2019 09:27

Don't bother - just download windows and install it - as long as it's the …Don't bother - just download windows and install it - as long as it's the same version (pro/home) it will just pull the license key off the motherboard...


That's exactly what I did
I bought this laptop in pre Xmas sales for £400. I bought it as an allaround laptop Inc light gaming. It does that okay.

Battery life is a little worse than I would of liked, i can get 4-5 hours watching video with power saver settings. Poor cooling, gets hot and has a loudish fan that kicks in quite soon with a slight click depending on angle of the laptop(this could be just my laptop). No back light. All plastic, looks and feel quite cheapish even compared to my work ThinkPad. Also the trackpad is quite poor, it's makes scrolling awkward.

If I went back I would of bought the acer swift 3(Intel i5 8th gen). I think it went down to £400(flash sale) shortly after I bought this one.

Saying that this hp does the job. Can't fault the screen, and the performance of Ryzen is good enough for what I've done on it. But I can't compare to an equivalent intel laptop processor.
Edited by: "Hamerish" 23rd Jun
Hamerish23/06/2019 11:15

I bought this laptop in pre Xmas sales for £400. I bought it as an …I bought this laptop in pre Xmas sales for £400. I bought it as an allaround laptop Inc light gaming. It does that okay. Battery life is a little worse than I would of liked, i can get 4-5 hours watching video with power saver settings. Poor cooling, gets hot and has a loudish fan that kicks in quite soon with a slight click depending on angle of the laptop(this could be just my laptop). No back light. All plastic, looks and feel quite cheapish even compared to my work ThinkPad. Also the trackpad is quite poor, it's makes scrolling awkward.If I went back I would of bought the acer swift 3(Intel i5 8th gen). I think it went down to £400(flash sale) shortly after I bought this one.Saying that this hp does the job. Can't fault the screen, and the performance of Ryzen is good enough for what I've done on it. But I can't compare to an equivalent intel laptop processor.


Really useful review. Thanks Hamerish.
godster23/06/2019 11:24

Really useful review. Thanks Hamerish.


Have also been looking at the Acer Swift 3 funnily enough. Nearly purchased a ideapad 330s then saw the swift in store. Looked nice but still undecided...
godster23/06/2019 11:25

Have also been looking at the Acer Swift 3 funnily enough. Nearly …Have also been looking at the Acer Swift 3 funnily enough. Nearly purchased a ideapad 330s then saw the swift in store. Looked nice but still undecided...



Hamerish23/06/2019 11:15

I bought this laptop in pre Xmas sales for £400. I bought it as an …I bought this laptop in pre Xmas sales for £400. I bought it as an allaround laptop Inc light gaming. It does that okay. Battery life is a little worse than I would of liked, i can get 4-5 hours watching video with power saver settings. Poor cooling, gets hot and has a loudish fan that kicks in quite soon with a slight click depending on angle of the laptop(this could be just my laptop). No back light. All plastic, looks and feel quite cheapish even compared to my work ThinkPad. Also the trackpad is quite poor, it's makes scrolling awkward.If I went back I would of bought the acer swift 3(Intel i5 8th gen). I think it went down to £400(flash sale) shortly after I bought this one.Saying that this hp does the job. Can't fault the screen, and the performance of Ryzen is good enough for what I've done on it. But I can't compare to an equivalent intel laptop processor.


I'm thinking I might just go for the Swift 5 as it's available on a hot deal at the moment while the best deal for the Swift 3 is not much less expensive.
I can post a brief bit of experience with my mobile Ryzen 5 2500u processor.
I recently bought a Huawei Matebook D, with almost identical specs, except that looking at HP's website
support.hp.com/gb-…137
It looks like the HP actually uses an NVMe m.2 instead of the SATA m.2 i have in mine.

Anyway, i am pretty happy with my laptop.
I use it for some office work and lighter / older game playing, so far i've been playing Football manager 2018 (getting around 35 fps in the 3d bit, which is mostly fine) and in Civ V i get 45+ fps solid, all turned up to full. None of this is a patch on my desktop machine, but then it was never expected to.
Star Wars Battlefront (I) is just about playable but with all settings turned to low - doesnt look so pretty.

The question i asked myself wasnt whether this would be a desktop replacement (it certainly isnt), but whether i could take this away with me and still work (which i can, easily - its actually overkill) and game (which i can so long as i chose my games wisely).

I dont regret my purchase, and suggest that the HP is going to be even better value.

It may be worth having a read here for a more objective and benchmark-based review:
techspot.com/rev…0u/
Edited by: "Msic" 23rd Jun
alared23/06/2019 08:53

https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06090137



Sie_Masz23/06/2019 07:30

Anyone have knowledge is it possible to top up RAM in it?No info about …Anyone have knowledge is it possible to top up RAM in it?No info about that in item description.


2 memory lots each filled with 4GB; so have to throw at least one away if you want to increase the memory.
Manual here for more info (have to manually copy and paste this link which gets mangled by HUKD)
h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06245114
Edited by: "Musicrab" 23rd Jun
Msic23/06/2019 11:58

I can post a brief bit of experience with my mobile Ryzen 5 2500u …I can post a brief bit of experience with my mobile Ryzen 5 2500u processor.I recently bought a Huawei Matebook D, with almost identical specs, except that looking at HP's websitehttps://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06090137It looks like the HP actually uses an NVMe m.2 instead of the SATA m.2 i have in mine.Anyway, i am pretty happy with my laptop.I use it for some office work and lighter / older game playing, so far i've been playing Football manager 2018 (getting around 35 fps in the 3d bit, which is mostly fine) and in Civ V i get 45+ fps solid, all turned up to full. None of this is a patch on my desktop machine, but then it was never expected to.Star Wars Battlefront (I) is just about playable but with all settings turned to low - doesnt look so pretty.The question i asked myself wasnt whether this would be a desktop replacement (it certainly isnt), but whether i could take this away with me and still work (which i can, easily - its actually overkill) and game (which i can so long as i chose my games wisely).I dont regret my purchase, and suggest that the HP is going to be even better value.It may be worth having a read here for a more objective and benchmark-based review:https://www.techspot.com/review/1545-amd-ryzen-5-2500u/



Cheers. I think I'd be buying the same model of computer that you have if it weren't for concerns about MS supporting it with future updates since the Huwawei ban. Hope fully it won't be an issue, but without the guarantee, I think I'd go for something else now.
Alansmithee23/06/2019 09:27

Don't bother - just download windows and install it - as long as it's the …Don't bother - just download windows and install it - as long as it's the same version (pro/home) it will just pull the license key off the motherboard...


Would this alleviate the issues with the Lenovo 330s ryzen 5 throttling by doing a clean install of windows then? If so I’d be tempted to go with that
doppel_dage23/06/2019 12:15

Would this alleviate the issues with the Lenovo 330s ryzen 5 throttling by …Would this alleviate the issues with the Lenovo 330s ryzen 5 throttling by doing a clean install of windows then? If so I’d be tempted to go with that



I doubt it. I think they're just referring to the pre-installed adware issue.
EricHitchmo23/06/2019 12:17

I doubt it. I think they're just referring to the pre-installed adware …I doubt it. I think they're just referring to the pre-installed adware issue.


Ah ok fair enough cheers
I'd consider it if £100 cheaper.
jhw23/06/2019 12:23

I'd consider it if £100 cheaper.


How about £150 cheaper for similar spec?(**) amazon.co.uk/Len…LQ/
** apart from the TN screen (IPS screen in HP)
Edited by: "Musicrab" 23rd Jun
Musicrab23/06/2019 12:32

How about £150 cheaper for similar spec? …How about £150 cheaper for similar spec? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-V330-14ARR-81B1001EUK-Processor-Display/dp/B07KKK4SLQ/



A lot of people don't consider a laptop with a TN screen to be a similar spec to one with an IPS screen. They're very different when you look at them side by side.
doppel_dage23/06/2019 12:15

Would this alleviate the issues with the Lenovo 330s ryzen 5 throttling by …Would this alleviate the issues with the Lenovo 330s ryzen 5 throttling by doing a clean install of windows then? If so I’d be tempted to go with that


No not at all - it's a cheapish laptop - you are getting what you paid for...
Sorry to ask. But any AMD experts in here? I know the new versions are being released around 7th July. But are they desktop only? There is no new mobile processors due to be released shortly, which would see a significant increase in performance? Thanks.
Msic23/06/2019 11:58

I can post a brief bit of experience with my mobile Ryzen 5 2500u …I can post a brief bit of experience with my mobile Ryzen 5 2500u processor.I recently bought a Huawei Matebook D, with almost identical specs, except that looking at HP's websitehttps://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06090137It looks like the HP actually uses an NVMe m.2 instead of the SATA m.2 i have in mine.Anyway, i am pretty happy with my laptop.I use it for some office work and lighter / older game playing, so far i've been playing Football manager 2018 (getting around 35 fps in the 3d bit, which is mostly fine) and in Civ V i get 45+ fps solid, all turned up to full. None of this is a patch on my desktop machine, but then it was never expected to.Star Wars Battlefront (I) is just about playable but with all settings turned to low - doesnt look so pretty.The question i asked myself wasnt whether this would be a desktop replacement (it certainly isnt), but whether i could take this away with me and still work (which i can, easily - its actually overkill) and game (which i can so long as i chose my games wisely).I dont regret my purchase, and suggest that the HP is going to be even better value.It may be worth having a read here for a more objective and benchmark-based review:https://www.techspot.com/review/1545-amd-ryzen-5-2500u/


Nice review. MSIC. It's more expensive at the moment but it was £509 at one point.
The Matebook is all metal, I have not heard the quality of the Harman Kardon quad speakers. Are they any good?

This HP is a bit pricey. It was cheaper from AO before. Different model number, spec wise the same. https://w…774
Edited by: "win26" 23rd Jun
win2623/06/2019 16:27

Nice review. MSIC. It's more expensive at the moment but it was £509 at …Nice review. MSIC. It's more expensive at the moment but it was £509 at one point. The Matebook is all metal, I have not heard the quality of the Harman Kardon quad speakers. Are they any good?This HP is a bit pricey. It was cheaper from AO before. Different model number, spec wise the same. https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-14-ips-fhd-256gb-ssd-8gb-ram-36485-delivered-ao-ebay-using-15-code-3151774



Do you have a suggestion for a laptop with this spec, available now, for £500 or less that is better than this one? (unsure about Lenovo 330s due to throttling concerns)
Yes, just found one. I am going post now.
EricHitchmo23/06/2019 16:39

Do you have a suggestion for a laptop with this spec, available now, for …Do you have a suggestion for a laptop with this spec, available now, for £500 or less that is better than this one? (unsure about Lenovo 330s due to throttling concerns)

EricHitchmo23/06/2019 12:06

Cheers. I think I'd be buying the same model of computer that you have if …Cheers. I think I'd be buying the same model of computer that you have if it weren't for concerns about MS supporting it with future updates since the Huwawei ban. Hope fully it won't be an issue, but without the guarantee, I think I'd go for something else now.


I think you've misunderstood what is going on. Even if Huawei continue to be banned, it will have no impact on their computers. A windows computer is supported by Microsoft, for the duration of the licence of the operating system.
support.microsoft.com/en-…eet

Microsoft do not / will not single out a particular manufacturer.
If you do not trust this, and want to avoid Huawei for this or other reasons then thats your prerogative.
Edited by: "Msic" 23rd Jun
win2623/06/2019 16:27

Nice review. MSIC. It's more expensive at the moment but it was £509 at …Nice review. MSIC. It's more expensive at the moment but it was £509 at one point. The Matebook is all metal, I have not heard the quality of the Harman Kardon quad speakers. Are they any good?This HP is a bit pricey. It was cheaper from AO before. Different model number, spec wise the same. https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-14-ips-fhd-256gb-ssd-8gb-ram-36485-delivered-ao-ebay-using-15-code-3151774


Yes, i like the metal - though i think (90% sure) mine is a plastic base on the bottom - but all the 'touchy & feely' bits are metal, and yes it gives a nice feel.
The speakers, not so much. I dont generally think much of laptop speakers, and these havent changed my mind - eg you could get £10 USB speakers from amazon that would be better. But for built in, i guess they are fine. Not a reason to buy though.
Msic23/06/2019 17:08

I think you've misunderstood what is going on. Even if Huawei continue to …I think you've misunderstood what is going on. Even if Huawei continue to be banned, it will have no impact on their computers. A windows computer is supported by Microsoft, for the duration of the licence of the operating system.https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheetMicrosoft do not / will not single out a particular manufacturer.If you do not trust this, and want to avoid Huawei for this or other reasons then thats your prerogative, but please dont suggest misinformation.


What time frame will MS update Huwawei products over?

Am I correct in reading that link as saying that MS will support products for a minimum of 18 months from their release date?
Edited by: "EricHitchmo" 23rd Jun
It gets a bit technical, but in one way yes.
Technically if you are using Windows 10 (whether its home, pro or whatever) its not just Windows 10, but actually Windows 10 build 1803, or build 1809, or whatever.
Part of Windows 10, and how Microsoft is moving away from selling products and more towards selling you a service, is that they keep updating windows - so in 6 months time you will automatically get a new build of Windows 10, which then has a further 18 months support.
So in the real world you get far more than 18 months support, though no one knows if Windows 10 will ever end or if they keep going like this....
Msic23/06/2019 17:18

It gets a bit technical, but in one way yes.Technically if you are using …It gets a bit technical, but in one way yes.Technically if you are using Windows 10 (whether its home, pro or whatever) its not just Windows 10, but actually Windows 10 build 1803, or build 1809, or whatever.Part of Windows 10, and how Microsoft is moving away from selling products and more towards selling you a service, is that they keep updating windows - so in 6 months time you will automatically get a new build of Windows 10, which then has a further 18 months support. So in the real world you get far more than 18 months support, though no one knows if Windows 10 will ever end or if they keep going like this....



I think that's the point with Huwawei. I only said there were concerns about future support, I didn't say anything definitive. Therefore I believe that my information is not misleading at all (unless there's something more substantial and long-term legally enforceable)

MS stopped selling Huwawei laptops for a temporary period.theverge.com/201…urn

My understanding is that MS have not made an announcement in response to suggestions of a Windows ban for Huwawei products?
theverge.com/201…ent

Indeed, Huwawei may be supported well into the future, it's just not a risk I'd be willing to take without further information. I don't know when the Matebook was released, but I wouldn't want to buy it, even if it was released today, if I thought there was a higher risk of support ending within 18 months.

My point still stands for the time being unless your point can be substantiated by up to date information from MS.
Edited by: "EricHitchmo" 23rd Jun
OK, i understand your point, and i'm not trying to troll / be argumentative etc.
I also read that Verge article as well as others, and frankly they seem to be being both alarmist and a bit gutter-press; Microsoft have also not released a statement about producing chocolate puddings, but i plan to still eat them. I wouldnt take Microsoft's lack of statement to mean anything at all.
As for them ceasing selling Huawei computers, then yes, it does seem to be exactly due to the recent ban etc. But thats not the same as providing ongoing support for a licenced product which is already in place.
The issue with Android is a little different in as much as every version release requires not just the base AOSP but Google's active involvement and choice to bundle the google products (play store etc) with each new version.

I hope i'm not coming across as some sort of Huawei apologist or fanboy, i have literally no vested interest or care whether people buy them or not. I'm also very aware that we've drifted off topic here, so apologies about that.

As for the Original Post, buy it if you like the product - i think it'll be good.
Msic23/06/2019 17:48

OK, i understand your point, and i'm not trying to troll / be …OK, i understand your point, and i'm not trying to troll / be argumentative etc.I also read that Verge article as well as others, and frankly they seem to be being both alarmist and a bit gutter-press; Microsoft have also not released a statement about producing chocolate puddings, but i plan to still eat them. I wouldnt take Microsoft's lack of statement to mean anything at all.As for them ceasing selling Huawei computers, then yes, it does seem to be exactly due to the recent ban etc. But thats not the same as providing ongoing support for a licenced product which is already in place.The issue with Android is a little different in as much as every version release requires not just the base AOSP but Google's active involvement and choice to bundle the google products (play store etc) with each new version.I hope i'm not coming across as some sort of Huawei apologist or fanboy, i have literally no vested interest or care whether people buy them or not. I'm also very aware that we've drifted off topic here, so apologies about that.As for the Original Post, buy it if you like the product - i think it'll be good.



That's fair enough, but I think it would be more misleading not to inform people of the situation than to cite my personal concerns about future support. I'm well aware that the press are very likely alarmist. I'm not asking anyone to sell their laptop in a panic, or bet on a rapid end to MS support for Huwawei laptops.

I was considering buying the Matebook D Ryzen 5. But now I will favour other brands that can provide a laptop of similar performance. If there was nothing to compete with the Matebook D then I might risk it, but there that isn't the case. Acer, HP, Lenovo, Dell, Asus all now have a higher probability of being supported 5 years from now given the situation. I've had 3 laptops in my life since 2004, they've lasted an average of 5 years, before I felt performance dropped off too much. 5 years is what I'd hope for from a new laptop.

MS already stopped selling their laptops and it isn't a good look for Huwawei. If there isn't some kind of resolution in the future, MS could end support for Huwawei products earlier than for competitor brands.

I accept that others may have no concerns but I do.
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