HP 4 bay MicroServer - better than any branded NAS - £179.99 (but £35.00 cashback - making it £144.99) @ Ebuyer
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HP 4 bay MicroServer - better than any branded NAS - £179.99 (but £35.00 cashback - making it £144.99) @ Ebuyer

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Found 19th Mar 2015
I was looking at upgrading my 2 bay Synology NAS to a bigger 4 bay version but they are £350+ plus.

So I looked into a micro server, this one has 4 bays, and actually I have installed the DSM synology software onto it, so it operates just like a 4 bay synology, but with twice the hardware power and half the cost.

Anybody looking at a NAS box from Synology, Asus, Qnap etc. Dont!
Buy this instead.

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While it costs a bit more money, the Lenovo Thinkserver TS140 is worth considering as an alternative at £220 after rebate (see
hotukdeals.com/dea…791 for more detail)

Assuming you have a spare dual core laptop connected to hard drives, is it worth getting this or better off just using that laptop to backup/share media?

Original Poster

I'd use this everyday, it will use less power actually when idling. Plus being a small cube you can hide is away etc, a laptop with the built in screen can be a bit more of a pain to be honest.

Would rather pay the extra £2 and get it from serverplus with next day DPD delivery.

Ok, so having both a Synology 2 Bay (8TB) NAS and a HP N40 Microserver (4TB) currently taking care of our storage, home theatre and backups in our home..

What are the benefits of us combining both of these in to one of these G1610T Microservers?

PennyHunter

Ok, so having both a Synology 2 Bay (8TB) NAS and a HP N40 Microserver … Ok, so having both a Synology 2 Bay (8TB) NAS and a HP N40 Microserver (4TB) currently taking care of our storage, home theatre and backups in our home.. What are the benefits of us combining both of these in to one of these G1610T Microservers?



I would be interested to know. I am thinking of getting a server but I have never owned one no idea what to look for. I want to try virtualisation also NAS and pled server

*plex

Better than any NAS? I disagree.

I have an earlier version of this and whilst I have no experience of owning a NAS I have to say this is an excellent bit of kit.

I run a drive as a media hub, one for photos, one for backing up the desktop and two laptops in the house and one for the OS and it's not even close to full capacity. It also seamlessly links to my Smart TVs.

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Zaxxan

Better than any NAS? I disagree.




why do you disagree that it is not better?
At the end of the day my HP server is running the same OS as a synology - so offers the same software features and has a much better hardware spec and 4 bays.

The Synology DS413Play has a 1.6Ghz Atom dual core.. this HP server has a 2.3ghz celeron dual core
The Synology DS413Play has 1GB DDR3 RAM. this HP server has 2GB DDR3 RAM. (HP can take up to 16GB too)
The Synology DS413Play has only 1 Network port. this HP server has 2
The Synology unit doesnt support an ODD... the HP does, even if you will never need it.
Both units have 4 HDD bays.

DS413Play = £389.99
HP Server = £144.99
Both work with the Synology DSM software.

So please do tell me why it is NOT better than any NAS?

Give me a NAS that offers 4 bays and support the same level of hardware for £145 and I will happily admit that I'm wrong. But you wont be able too.


EDIT - just check a lower cost 4 bay NAS.. the DS414J at £269.99 is supports 4 bay, but only has a MINDSPEED Comcerto C2000 1.2ghz dual core CPU, 512MB RAM, and will not support transcoding because its not powerful enough, but the HP server does and is over £100 cheaper!




Edited by: "cokeboy" 19th Mar 2015

cokeboy

Anybody looking at a NAS box from Synology, Asus, Qnap etc. Dont!Buy this … Anybody looking at a NAS box from Synology, Asus, Qnap etc. Dont!Buy this instead.



I'm looking at a 2 bay Synology, taking electricity costs into account Synology approx 13w under load on 24/7 @ 15p per KWH £17.08 a year to run. Microserver approx 50w under load £65.70 a year. The microserver costs over £48 more a year to run compared to the Synology.

Why should I buy the Microserver again?

cokeboy, how do you get DSM on it please? Also, are you running 5.1-5022 update 3? Thanks

I have an OLD HP Microserver N36L (under £100 after cashback back in 2011) and that happily copes with barebones DSM 5. The server is on 24x7 (had to change the noisy PSU and the case fan) and copes with everything I need from my NAS. The DSM software definately transformed it from an OK hobby setup to something really special. Its great that everything works straight out of the box, it was easy to use web gui and remote management (using NO-IP), IOS and Android DSM apps. All my TV's can see the DLNA share (photos, music and video) and the 1080p content plays (wired and wireless) without any stutters or lag.

Therefore IMO GEN8 will cope with this and more, although it too has noisy fan and the IDLE watts are high.

Having said all that, I went for Lenovo TS440 initially (when it was on offer £299), which was excellent for speed and expandability but just too big and noisy for me. I sold that and got Lenovo TS140 as I wanted a DEV Lab with a reasonably powerful CPU (Xeon E3-1225 v3 is equialent to quad core i5), small size, quiet and plenty room for expansion. I added an SSD, 16gb ram, gtx-960 mini itx version and its running Windows 7 Pro, hooked up to 40" LG 4K TV (bought for £320 from amazon.de) using HDMI 2.0 (4k @ 60hz).

If you were in the market for professional NAS, then I would say this the better option as there are plenty of guides for the Microserver to implement XPenlogy (DSM 5.0). You will end up with NAS which is more powerful and expandable than original 4 bay synology nas and third of the price

However if you are one of those gen 8 users who buy a one then voids their warranty by upgrade their processor to a low power Xeon, than I think the Lenovo TS140 is the way to go.

Edited by: "np99" 19th Mar 2015

Somebody

cokeboy, how do you get DSM on it please? Also, are you running 5.1-5022 … cokeboy, how do you get DSM on it please? Also, are you running 5.1-5022 update 3? Thanks


Google XPenology

Original Poster

Somebody

cokeboy, how do you get DSM on it please? Also, are you running 5.1-5022 … cokeboy, how do you get DSM on it please? Also, are you running 5.1-5022 update 3? Thanks



drop me an email lee DOT bryan AT outlook DOT com

And yes, it updates using the DSM update built in software too.

Edited by: "cokeboy" 19th Mar 2015

cokeboy

why do you disagree that it is not better?At the end of the day my HP … why do you disagree that it is not better?At the end of the day my HP server is running the same OS as a synology - so offers the same software features and has a much better hardware spec and 4 bays.The Synology DS413Play has a 1.6Ghz Atom dual core.. this HP server has a 2.3ghz celeron dual coreThe Synology DS413Play has 1GB DDR3 RAM. this HP server has 2GB DDR3 RAM. (HP can take up to 16GB too)The Synology DS413Play has only 1 Network port. this HP server has 2The Synology unit doesnt support an ODD... the HP does, even if you will never need it.Both units have 4 HDD bays.DS413Play = £389.99HP Server = £144.99Both work with the Synology DSM software.So please do tell me why it is NOT better than any NAS?Give me a NAS that offers 4 bays and support the same level of hardware for £145 and I will happily admit that I'm wrong. But you wont be able too.EDIT - just check a lower cost 4 bay NAS.. the DS414J at £269.99 is supports 4 bay, but only has a MINDSPEED Comcerto C2000 1.2ghz dual core CPU, 512MB RAM, and will not support transcoding because its not powerful enough, but the HP server does and is over £100 cheaper!



Well said, I've not seen a NAS that can compete against the MicroServer... The MicroServer can do so much more than a normal NAS, and outperform it without a problem. There are so many choices of OS for the MicroServer, full blown Windows, Linux, NAS distros etc.

cokeboy

I'd use this everyday, it will use less power actually when idling. … I'd use this everyday, it will use less power actually when idling. Plus being a small cube you can hide is away etc, a laptop with the built in screen can be a bit more of a pain to be honest.



Laptops can run even with the screen closed, you know that, right?

paulj48

I'm looking at a 2 bay Synology, taking electricity costs into account … I'm looking at a 2 bay Synology, taking electricity costs into account Synology approx 13w under load on 24/7 @ 15p per KWH £17.08 a year to run. Microserver approx 50w under load £65.70 a year. The microserver costs over £48 more a year to run compared to the Synology. Why should I buy the Microserver again?



Don't buy one if you can't afford to run a 50W device

Original Poster

paulj48

I'm looking at a 2 bay Synology, taking electricity costs into account … I'm looking at a 2 bay Synology, taking electricity costs into account Synology approx 13w under load on 24/7 @ 15p per KWH £17.08 a year to run. Microserver approx 50w under load £65.70 a year. The microserver costs over £48 more a year to run compared to the Synology. Why should I buy the Microserver again?



Firstly you are comparing a 2bay device which is only powering 2 HDD's vs a device with 4 HDD's being powered.

Well I own a 2 bay synology . I have an energinie wattage meter and have tested both.
My HP server idles at 40w and when using it it goes to about 55w-60w
My synology idles at 20-30w and when using it, it goes to about 45w.

The saving in power will take a loooooooooong time to recoup. with a 10 to 15w difference.

I will admit I love my Synology 2 bay, and thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, but I wanted 4 bays as my 2 x 3TB drives are full on my Synology. So I was looking at the 4bay Synologies, but in the end I opted for the HP server and trust me I did plenty of research, run a number of VM's on my main PC to test various OS options, DSM, freenas, nas4free, windows server and more, DSM is the best I think, but for future proofing 4 bays is better and the actual cost of electric and the saving is far less than you may think.

If you are comparing the cost of a 2bay synology vs a 4 bay HP server then that makes sense - but if you want true future proofing being able to house more than 2 drives the HP is the way to go.

One other point that i want to note is the HP server has a single 120mm fan and the synology is a 50mm fan. The 120mm fan is far quieter when they both have load, but depending where the file server is being kept depends if that matters. My is under my desk so it does matter.


Edited by: "cokeboy" 19th Mar 2015

RueFondary

While it costs a bit more money, the Lenovo Thinkserver TS140 is worth … While it costs a bit more money, the Lenovo Thinkserver TS140 is worth considering as an alternative at £220 after rebate (seehttp://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-thinkserver-ts140-4gb-xeon-e3-1225-v3-3-2ghz-tower-server-219-99-after-cash-2160791 for more detail)



Lenovo is a bargain, with the spec you get, and expansion (32GB RAM), but the size puts me off.

Original Poster

dilse

Lenovo is a bargain, with the spec you get, and expansion (32GB RAM), but … Lenovo is a bargain, with the spec you get, and expansion (32GB RAM), but the size puts me off.



I did google that when it was posted, its a desktop sized case. I didnt want that, I wanted a small footprint sized product, hence going for the HP microserver. but admittedly the spec is good for the price.

cokeboy

Firstly you are comparing a 2bay device which is only powering 2 HDD's vs … Firstly you are comparing a 2bay device which is only powering 2 HDD's vs a device with 4 HDD's being powered.Well I own a 2 bay synology . I have an energinie wattage meter and have tested both.My HP server idles at 40w and when using it it goes to about 55w-60wMy synology idles at 20-30w and when using it, it goes to about 45w.The saving in power will take a loooooooooong time to recoup. with a 10 to 15w difference. I will admit I love my Synology 2 bay, and thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, but I wanted 4 bays as my 2 x 3TB drives are full on my Synology. So I was looking at the 4bay Synologies, but in the end I opted for the HP server and trust me I did plenty of research, run a number of VM's on my main PC to test various OS options, DSM, freenas, nas4free, windows server and more, DSM is the best I think, but for future proofing 4 bays is better and the actual cost of electric and the saving is far less than you may think.If you are comparing the cost of a 2bay synology vs a 4 bay HP server then that makes sense - but if you want true future proofing being able to house more than 2 drives the HP is the way to go.One other point that i want to note is the HP server has a single 120mm fan and the synology is a 50mm fan. The 120mm fan is far quieter when they both have load, but depending where the file server is being kept depends if that matters. My is under my desk so it does matter.


Appreciate the reply, I'm going to be using it to connect IP security cameras from my house using just one HDD and the odd bit of file serving so a 2 bay should do me ok. I'll be buying extra camera licenses so I'm not 100% sure how safe this is with Xpeonology

dilse

Don't buy one if you can't afford to run a 50W device


Good factual argument there, thanks for that.

Does XPenology allow auto power on/off schedules of the Microserver?

Hot!

Somebody

Does XPenology allow auto power on/off schedules of the Microserver?



It does and and its pretty easy to setup.

WOL works too, though this can be a little fiddly to setup.

I have it ON 24x7 with HARDDISK power down set to 30 mins.

The idle power watts can be brought down with 150W PICO PSU, which are cheap but some reason I can't understand the power brick are extortionately expensive. Also makes the system quieter as its fanless.

np99

The idle power watts can be brought down with 150W PICO PSU, which are … The idle power watts can be brought down with 150W PICO PSU, which are cheap but some reason I can't understand the power brick are extortionately expensive. Also makes the system quieter as its fanless.


Plus adding another £80 onto the price

How do you install the dsm Synology software in it and how hard is it to configure

Got one of these with a WD Red HDD running FreeNAS, works perfectly.

Voted hot.

I am very tempted as my 2 bay Synology nas is ancient and although very good it's very slow.
Looks very easy to setup software on one of these. I can just pull out a drive stick in this and it will clone and mirror itself when I add new empty drives

Zaxxan

Better than any NAS? I disagree.



Deffo more versatile, but difficult to define "better" as different people want different things! A dedicated NAS "just works" out of the box but you get what you get, very little scope to customise and add software etc.

I guess a NAS is better if you want a simple reliable solution for storage.
A server is better if you like to fiddle and alter requirement trying different software etc.

Horses for courses really!

can you install plex on these software you install on this?
also what is odd?

i would love a nas that i can remote access, currently with virgin bb and they dont have offer static ips and i have their superhub 2. would i need to update my router?

thanks

dilse

Lenovo is a bargain, with the spec you get, and expansion (32GB RAM), but … Lenovo is a bargain, with the spec you get, and expansion (32GB RAM), but the size puts me off.



Yes good machine but large and noisy (ish) I have a test one at work.
If you need more than one pci slot get the Lenovo if not get the HP

Can Xpenology run as a VM? I have mine running Server 2012 Essentials which I wouldn't want to lose

wakkaday

can you install plex on these software you install on this?also what is … can you install plex on these software you install on this?also what is odd?i would love a nas that i can remote access, currently with virgin bb and they dont have offer static ips and i have their superhub 2. would i need to update my router?thanks



ODD = Optical Disk Drive

Google dynamic ip services like no-ip.com

audin

Can Xpenology run as a VM? I have mine running Server 2012 Essentials … Can Xpenology run as a VM? I have mine running Server 2012 Essentials which I wouldn't want to lose



I swore by Windows server for years until I used Linux! country mile a better use of the hardware and not large and bloated like Windows.

Anything Windows can do Linux can do better! (and faster)

PennyHunter

Ok, so having both a Synology 2 Bay (8TB) NAS and a HP N40 Microserver … Ok, so having both a Synology 2 Bay (8TB) NAS and a HP N40 Microserver (4TB) currently taking care of our storage, home theatre and backups in our home.. What are the benefits of us combining both of these in to one of these G1610T Microservers?


Interesting question as I'm considering one of these and going dual server.

Just out of interest, do these server machines come with a server quality motherboard and ECC memory, because if not I wouldn't touch one. You would be better building your own.

robheselwood

Just out of interest, do these server machines come with a server quality … Just out of interest, do these server machines come with a server quality motherboard and ECC memory, because if not I wouldn't touch one. You would be better building your own.



They are a purpose built server!
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