HP Dual Xeon 6.0Ghz 64-Bit Gaming PC NEW 1GB GFX 4GB RAM Desktop Tower Computer £155.99 delivered @ eBay / bargain*hardware
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HP Dual Xeon 6.0Ghz 64-Bit Gaming PC NEW 1GB GFX 4GB RAM Desktop Tower Computer £155.99 delivered @ eBay / bargain*hardware

£155.99eBay Deals
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Found 30th Sep 2012
need to buy 60 computers for a school, low budget. I have come across these on ebay. they seem to be at a good price. No monitor, just the base unit. A good deal? Need advice from HUKD members.

Main spec:

Dual Xeon processor (2 x 3.0 ghz)
160gb hard drive
4gb ram
1gb dedicated graphics card
XP professional installed

detailed spec:

HP Dual Xeon 6.0Ghz 64-Bit Gaming PC NEW 1GB GFX 4GB RAM Desktop Tower

Win 7 x64 Ready ✔ 1GB DDR3 Graphics ✔ 160GB ✔ Dual Screen ✔



Item Description


This is ex-corporate equipment which has been removed from a fully working environment and refurbished by our in-house engineers, tested to be working perfectly. Please see 'cosmetic condition' section below for full cosmetic details.

We currently have several different specification variations of this workstation model. To see them all, please use the shop search box above, and search for 'XW6200'.

This system uses Dual 64-Bit Xeon processors and is compatible with Windows 7!!!

We can offer additional upgrades for almost any server in stock and will be more than happy to quote for your individual specification requirements. For RAM, Hard Drives or anything else, please contact us directly using contact details found throughout our auction pages.


HP XW6200 Workstation/Tower PC:
TWIN (2x) Intel Xeon 3.0Ghz - 64-Bit - Hyper-Threaded
- 3.0 - 3.8Ghz Dual Xeon systems available in our eBay shop
4 GB RAM - DDR2 ECC RAM
- Alternative 8GB systems available in our eBay shop
- 8GB Upgrade available for £50 GBP.
160GB SATA Hard Drive
- 1TB systems available in our eBay shop
- 1TB Upgrade available for £80 GBP
On-Board SATA RAID Controller - Raid 0 & 1
Brand New XFX ATI HD5450 1GB GDDR3 Gaming Graphics Card
- (2GB with Hyper-Memory!!)
DVD-ROM Optical Drive
Genuine Windows XP Professional Installed

All of these machines are identical. We currently have a large quantity of HP workstations in stock with various specifications, for further details please or bulk purchasing enquries please feel free to call us on 01254 878801.

Software:

This machine is sold with Genuine Microsoft XP Professional (32-Bit) pre-install with the latest Microsoft updates. The machine is fully broadband ready with on-board Ethernet Connection.

Also installed is Open Office (Micrsoft Office compatible), FoxIT PDF Reader, Google Chrome, FireFox and Microsoft Security Essentials (Anti-Virus), so the machine is fully loaded and ready to run.

Please Note: Windows XP is a 32-bit operating system and is limited to 3.5GB RAM. This is not a system fault, but simply a restriction of the operating system.

This system is of course easily capable of running the latest Windows 7 64-Bit!!!

Graphics & Video:

This HP workstation is sold with a Brand New ATI HD5450 1GB DDR3 Graphics Card for use with the latest games and video software. Capable of playing online games as ‘The Sims 3’ and ‘World of War craft’. Perfect for HD Entertainment, photo, 3D image and movie editing. This card enables the amazing entertainment experience, provides the best performance in its class. Full support for the latest Microsoft DirectX11 which enables real-time rendering and latest Shader Model/OpenGL, with ultra-realistic characters and incredible 3D imagery.

Manufacturer Description:

Bringing powerful, intelligently engineered workstations to power users who demand IT that performs – with uncompromising graphics and speed. HP Workstations are easy-to-buy, quick-to-deploy and simple-to-maintain solutions that support businesses, grow with complex needs and anticipate challenges.

The HP xw6200 is designed around Intel's E7525 new generation chipset for Intel Xeon® processors which supports dual-processing, an 800 MHz system bus (6.4 GB/sec bandwidth) and a dual channel DDR-2 400MHz ECC memory. New Intel Xeon® processors feature an expanded 2MB cache putting increased power and efficiency behind demanding applications.
As one of the smallest dual-processor design forms in the industry, this rack mountable minitower fits neatly into cramped workspaces such as financial traders’ desks. The space-saving design also features a tool-less chassis for easier upgrades and maintenance. Supporting 8 USB ports, 6 slots, 1 PCIe (x16) graphics slot, 4 legacy PCI slots, internal and external bays, the HP xw6200 can expand to meet specific power user requirements.
The HP xw6200 supports up to eight monitors, allowing large amounts of data to be viewed from multiple sources. Without the need to toggle between applications on screen users can stay in control and in touch with their data and designs.
Intel’s processor portfolio offers investment protection value as a transition tool to 64-bit computing — 32-bit applications run at full performance on an architecture that is also capable of supporting 64-bit operating systems and applications.
Featuring PCIe (x16) graphics interface, the xw6200 provides four times the total peak bandwidth and two times the uni-directional bandwidth of AGP graphics, delivering visual accuracy, image clarity and exceptional professional 2D, to high-end 3D performance.

Features & specification


CPU: 2 x Intel Xeon Processor 3.0 GHz - 800MHz FSB - 64-Bit - (1MB L2 cache)

RAM: 4 GB (4 x 1 GB) PC2-3200R DDR2-400 ECC

Hard Disk Controller: Integrated serial ATA (SATA) controller - RAID 0 & 1

Hard Disk Drive: 160GB 7200 rpm SATA Hard Drive Installed

Graphics Card: XFX (ATI) HD5450 - 1 GB GDDR3 - PCIe - VGA, DVI & HDMI Output (BRAND NEW)

Optical Drive: DVD-ROM

Disk Drive: N/A (Floppy Drive Available on Request)

Audio: AC’97/16-bit stereo full-duplex

Network: Integrated Broadcom 5751 10/100/1000 LAN

Operating System License: Genuine Windows XP Pro COA (License)

Power: 500 watts

Expansion Slots: 6 Full-Length slots:

1 x PCI Express (x16) Graphics slot
1 x PCI Express (x8 mechanically, x4 electrically)
4 x legacy PCI slots

Ports:-

Front:

Headphone
microphone
2 x USB 2.0
1 x IEEE 1394A (requires PCI card to enable functionality)

Rear:

6 x USB 2.0,
1 x standard serial port,
1 x parallel port,
2 x PS/2 keyboard and mouse,
1 x RJ-45 to integrated Gigabit LAN,
audio In,
audio Out,
1 x mic in

Physical information

Dimensions (W x D x H): 16.5 x 45.0 x 44.1 cm



Contents


HP Dual Xeon 6.0Ghz 64-Bit Gaming PC NEW 1GB GFX 4GB RAM Desktop Tower Computer
UK Power Cable

47 Comments

oh dear

if your buying 60 from anywhere I would be asking for a discount...

are you going to use the same machine as the server ?

I didn't realise schools were allowed to receive ex-corporate machines. Our company tried to give away hundreds of older dell machines to a local school and it just ended up being a nightmare and we gave them away on a first come first serve to all our staff.

ebuyer.com/389…061

the xeon have 103W max tdp, for 2 of them you'll have some absolutely ridiculously power hungry machines with potentially lower performance than the dual core pentiums.

on another note if you want a loud, power hungry machine I have an IBM eserver x 326m to sell with 2 dual core opterons, 8gb ram :P
Edited by: "andreapedrazzini" 30th Sep 2012

Original Poster

no, we have installed new servers already, along with new hubs, but machines are to slow. they are 8 years old now, and struggling to keep up with newer versions of office, along with photoshop express and premier express.

DDR2 ram is last gen, out of production so hard to get at decent prices if you need replacement ddr2 ram.

HD5450 card is mainly for media, videos etc so that'll do.

Spec later states 32bit OS, waste considering 64bit OS is the same price.

Xeon cpu's ard usually for servers, seems silly getting dual Xeon cpu's for school computers.

My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not really all that fast, being more that 8 years old. Personally if you are looking at second hand systems I'd look into something like this:
schtrade.co.uk/dc7…88/
You'll have to install the operating systems, but that's not too hard a job once you get the first 30 over with. I would recommend the core 2 duo over a xeon which is meant for servers. Having installed systems in schools I would say that hard drives and graphics cards are irrelevant. Better off putting cheap 60gb ssds in systems like the 7800p. The amount of time wasted in schools waiting for slow systems to boot, resume, or just load programs is criminal.

Original Poster

renderman

I didn't realise schools were allowed to receive ex-corporate machines. … I didn't realise schools were allowed to receive ex-corporate machines. Our company tried to give away hundreds of older dell machines to a local school and it just ended up being a nightmare and we gave them away on a first come first serve to all our staff.



we have bought ex-corporate machines in the past, so i don't see why it should be a problem. We wipe the machines, and install our own licensed versions of Windows and Office, along with our own antivirus.

Really?

Surely the school has approved suppliers?

Really?

OK, must be a wind up. I hope for the sake of the kids that it is.

Original Poster

clemf

My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not … My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not really all that fast, being more that 8 years old. Personally if you are looking at second hand systems I'd look into something like this:http://www.schtrade.co.uk/dc7800p-sff-core-2-duo-2-33ghz-2gb-ram-80gb-hdd-dvd-rom-6888/You'll have to install the operating systems, but that's not too hard a job once you get the first 30 over with. I would recommend the core 2 duo over a xeon which is meant for servers. Having installed systems in schools I would say that hard drives and graphics cards are irrelevant. Better off putting cheap 60gb ssds in systems like the 7800p. The amount of time wasted in schools waiting for slow systems to boot, resume, or just load programs is criminal.



clemf

My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not … My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not really all that fast, being more that 8 years old. Personally if you are looking at second hand systems I'd look into something like this:http://www.schtrade.co.uk/dc7800p-sff-core-2-duo-2-33ghz-2gb-ram-80gb-hdd-dvd-rom-6888/You'll have to install the operating systems, but that's not too hard a job once you get the first 30 over with. I would recommend the core 2 duo over a xeon which is meant for servers. Having installed systems in schools I would say that hard drives and graphics cards are irrelevant. Better off putting cheap 60gb ssds in systems like the 7800p. The amount of time wasted in schools waiting for slow systems to boot, resume, or just load programs is criminal.



the link you have posted is good, but we need something with good graphics. we use Adobe Photoshop Elements and Adobe Premier Elements, and at the moment, our computers are struggling to cope. I am assuming this is due to the poor graphics, and we would probably have the same problems with those you have recommended.

dothedealnow

Really?Surely the school has approved suppliers?Really?OK, must be a wind … Really?Surely the school has approved suppliers?Really?OK, must be a wind up. I hope for the sake of the kids that it is.


Nothing wrong with using ex corporate machines in schools. The amount of money wasted of poor tech from authorised suppliers is one of the biggest wastes in schools. Better off getting something cheaper - for the uses they get the latest and most expensive is not needed.

Original Poster

dothedealnow

Really?Surely the school has approved suppliers?Really?OK, must be a wind … Really?Surely the school has approved suppliers?Really?OK, must be a wind up. I hope for the sake of the kids that it is.



It is an independent fee-paying school, not a government-funded school. We look around for the best deals. Then put them forward to management, and they then order them.

However a standard, locked down build to prevent unauthorised software installs, locking down of USB and other ports whitelists and blacklists of websites, the latest OS to improve security, availability of sparse, policies to monitor what the little devils are up to, is important! Remember the Total Cost of Ownership and most importtant of all, security of the kids!

They are really going to do all the above with some sh&t off ebay? Naaaaaaaaaaaa. With respect of course, I value you input.

clemf

My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not … My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not really all that fast, being more that 8 years old. Personally if you are looking at second hand systems I'd look into something like this:http://www.schtrade.co.uk/dc7800p-sff-core-2-duo-2-33ghz-2gb-ram-80gb-hdd-dvd-rom-6888/You'll have to install the operating systems, but that's not too hard a job once you get the first 30 over with. I would recommend the core 2 duo over a xeon which is meant for servers. Having installed systems in schools I would say that hard drives and graphics cards are irrelevant. Better off putting cheap 60gb ssds in systems like the 7800p. The amount of time wasted in schools waiting for slow systems to boot, resume, or just load programs is criminal.



I run a relatively old dual Xeon based workstation and things to note:

1) They are fast, but only if doing things that can benefit from multiple CPUs as well as multiple cores, so apps like Photoshop run like a dream, even though the logic suggests the age would mean it couldn't. There's little point comparing GHz on a Xeon with GHz on a household CPU.

2) They run hot, fine in the winter, but a classroom full is going to get very hot without airconditioning.

3) They burn energy like it's going out of fashion. When running my workstation, it's noticeable on my daily meter readings (why I have daily readings is another story :-) ). I would hazard these will burn 2-6 more units per machine per day, which might not seem much but when multiplied over a year, and you might find you've spent the savings over a newer brand new design.

4) Noise, all the heat has to be expelled somehow, and the only efficient way is great big noisy fans, especially an old machine is likely to have a noisier fan.

As for buying ex corporate machines, I think that's a good idea and there's no reason for them to be less reliable than a new machine or anything an 'approved' supplier could offer, invariable corporates tend not to buy any old **** and therefore you will get top flight kit for cheap prices.

When I worked for a large IT company we loved all business from Government departments, councils and schools, because they were often trapped in an 'approved suppliers' list, so there was no need to offer discounts or even competitive prices.

mike

absy123

So if its fee paying why not just buy some decent up to date kit with Win 7/8 and warranty?

dothedealnow

However a standard, locked down build to prevent unauthorised software … However a standard, locked down build to prevent unauthorised software installs, locking down of USB and other ports whitelists and blacklists of websites, the latest OS to improve security, availability of sparse, policies to monitor what the little devils are up to, is important! Remember the Total Cost of Ownership and most importtant of all, security of the kids!They are really going to do all the above with some sh&t off ebay? Naaaaaaaaaaaa. With respect of course, I value you input.



They've done all that to the computers at the local school and they are practically unusable. Total cost of ownership of the Authorised supplier computers is astronomical with all the call outs required to do the smallest thing. It's nearly a scam what they get away with. Far better off doing your own thing. Far cheaper and get what you need- not a load of rubbish. The only importatnt things are to make sure that your software is licensed, and have appropriate filtering policies on websites.

dothedealnow

However a standard, locked down build to prevent unauthorised software … However a standard, locked down build to prevent unauthorised software installs, locking down of USB and other ports whitelists and blacklists of websites, the latest OS to improve security, availability of sparse, policies to monitor what the little devils are up to, is important! Remember the Total Cost of Ownership and most importtant of all, security of the kids!They are really going to do all the above with some sh&t off ebay? Naaaaaaaaaaaa. With respect of course, I value you input.



Do you know how computers work???? Locking down is easily done, often a corporate machine will come with better facilities and hardware than any supplier, do you honestly think big IT companies provide a better install than that installed by someone at the school with a decent knowledge of hardware/software?

You might have issues over, energy, noise and reliability, but the software that can be installed will be the same.

mike

if it is an independant fee paid school why arent you thinking of building them all yourselves.

even from likes of scan you can get multi buy discounts on high amount orders.

Apologies if you already know this but for 60 PC's you should be putting out a tender. At the very least you need 3 quotes from 3 different suppliers against a guideline specification. If you don't know this then you currently don't have the knowledge to go through the procurement process. Schools are seen as an easy target for dodgy deals. Ring up Dell, HP etc and get them to quote; they'll assign you an account manager who being on commission will usually be very helpful.

Once you've got them, have you thought about user control, who's going to install them, who's going to network them, have the school budgeted for the additional electricity, hardware maintenance, internet access and so on?

renderman

I didn't realise schools were allowed to receive ex-corporate machines. … I didn't realise schools were allowed to receive ex-corporate machines. Our company tried to give away hundreds of older dell machines to a local school and it just ended up being a nightmare and we gave them away on a first come first serve to all our staff.


This is usually because of data protection and software licensing agreements, which it sounds like your company might have broken anyway. Your company should (unless the rules have changed, which I doubt) also have paid NI on the value of the PC (nothing has zero value so you can't avoid it by trying to pull that one) as giving away computers to employees is classified as a gift and therefore NI is payable. They probably didn't do that either.
If you give a PC away then you have to make sure that the hard disks have been reformatted first and your ICT section probably couldn't be arsed.

abfmdf

If it is simply to teach kids MS Office/basic programming you are far … If it is simply to teach kids MS Office/basic programming you are far better going for basic business desltop (which are designed for schools/offices). If I were you I would contact HP and Dell directly and see what they have to offer you, as they tend to do significant discounts to schools (and buying in bulk) Go into any university they will have PCs that look like thishttp://www.schtrade.co.uk/dc7800p-sff-core-2-duo-2-33ghz-4gb-ram-80gb-hdd-dvd-rom-8028/Whilst PC above perfectly good for an individual, when scaling up its false economy. The amount of man hours using a non-standard PC (upgrading, hardware life etc) makes the deal far less appealing. (especially as it sounds like you lack a dedicated professional)



You'd be surprised how little discount you actually get unless buying great big servers, I used to source IT equipment for a former employer, and we could never get a discount for PCs, only laptops and servers, but they would often give us up to 50% off the price you'd see on the website.

In the end most of our desktops were sourced from the Dell outlet, in the heady days where it wasn't unusual to get a state of the art box for < £100 when £500-800 was the new price. I'm not sure this is possible today, but in those days I ran software to watch Dell 24x7 and got some amazing bargains.

Dell Outlet can often supply very large quantities of machines, so it might be worth phoning them to see if they can offer anything.

mike

kilsauit,

Why build them if they obviously don't have the skills? A fully built PC from the likes of Novatech is often only £30 per device more.

Agree with abfmdf, go buy some decent, up to date, energy efficient kit, with the latest OS. You'll regret it when you run into maintenance issues, software and driver issues etc with the ebay dross.

6 GHZ?!?!? Oh, 2x3 GHz!!!

Original Poster

dothedealnow

However a standard, locked down build to prevent unauthorised software … However a standard, locked down build to prevent unauthorised software installs, locking down of USB and other ports whitelists and blacklists of websites, the latest OS to improve security, availability of sparse, policies to monitor what the little devils are up to, is important! Remember the Total Cost of Ownership and most importtant of all, security of the kids!They are really going to do all the above with some sh&t off ebay? Naaaaaaaaaaaa. With respect of course, I value you input.



we have a contract with a local network engineer who does most of the things you have listed via the network operating system. Our computers are secure, and our internet filtering is handled via a hardware box (dont know what it is called) and a year-on-year subscription of a around £300.

£179 EXT VAT and shipping on the main DELL site,may be even cheaper in bulk or via the outlet:-

dell.com/uk/…als

Components
Windows® 7 Home Premium 64bit MUI
Intel® Pentium® G630 Processor (2.70GHz, 3MB)
Trend Micro Titanium (15 Month) Software MUI
Services & Software
1Yr Collect & Return Warranty - No Upgrade Selected
Declined Accidental Damage offer
No M-Disc required
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Vostro 260 BTS : UK, FR, NL, IT Config MEUFT0201
2048MB (1X2048) 1333 MHz DDR3 Non-ECC
Dell KB212-B Quietkey USB Keyboard Black
Integrated Video,GMA X2000
500GB (7,200rpm) Hard Drive
No Media Card Reader
16X DVD+/- RW Optical Drive (DVD & CD read and write)
Dell MS111 USB Wired Optical Mouse
Dell Wireless 1502 (802.11n) WLAN Full-height Mini-Card
Documentation Vostro 260
D10S120
Microsoft® Office Starter 2010
Vostro Desktop 260 BTS Order
Vostro 260 Diagnostics and Drivers
1 Year Collect and Return
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repouk

Apologies if you already know this but for 60 PC's you should be putting … Apologies if you already know this but for 60 PC's you should be putting out a tender. At the very least you need 3 quotes from 3 different suppliers against a guideline specification. If you don't know this then you currently don't have the knowledge to go through the procurement process. Schools are seen as an easy target for dodgy deals. Ring up Dell, HP etc and get them to quote; they'll assign you an account manager who being on commission will usually be very helpful.Once you've got them, have you thought about user control, who's going to install them, who's going to network them, have the school budgeted for the additional electricity, hardware maintenance, internet access and so on?This is usually because of data protection and software licensing agreements, which it sounds like your company might have broken anyway. Your company should (unless the rules have changed, which I doubt) also have paid NI on the value of the PC (nothing has zero value so you can't avoid it by trying to pull that one) as giving away computers to employees is classified as a gift and therefore NI is payable. They probably didn't do that either. If you give a PC away then you have to make sure that the hard disks have been reformatted first and your ICT section probably couldn't be arsed.



Crikey is there a competition for the most derogatory post based on huge and unlikely assumptions.

Assets will have a zero value, once they have depreciated enough, I was under the impression for a computer this was only 3 years.

You do not have to format hard drives, simply ensure the owner has software licenses for all software installed and then ensure there's no personal data on the hard drive. In practice this mostly would require a full secure format but isn't necessary in order to comply with legislation. If for instance the PC had been heavily tied down and was used as a terminal, there may be no personal information whatsoever.

In the case of staff, often they are automatically covered for home PCs as part of corporate licenses.

mike
Edited by: "mbuckhurst" 30th Sep 2012

absy123

the link you have posted is good, but we need something with good … the link you have posted is good, but we need something with good graphics. we use Adobe Photoshop Elements and Adobe Premier Elements, and at the moment, our computers are struggling to cope. I am assuming this is due to the poor graphics, and we would probably have the same problems with those you have recommended.



Actually I think the first thing you need to do, is find out exactly what the problem is with your current PCs. You assume its graphics card, but that does not inspire confidence that is the problem (Could be software related, RAM, your Network etc). Crucially you may find you have perfectly good PCs, which can be upgraded saving you a considerable amount eg upgrading the ram from 1gb to 4gb/ or a 30 pound graphics card.

absy123,

Our computers are secure......so why are you buying computers with XP on then? Pls buy machines with Win7/8 on them.

Support for security updates will be withdrawn during the life of the kit you are looking at. In fact 4/8/2014.



A local school here just threw out a batch of computers and monitors, including a lot of heavy duty jointed arm monitor stands (unused and still in their boxes). The whole lot carefully emblazoned with the school's name and postcode by injection dye printing, I guess to make sure no one pinches them from the skip. I shouldn't worry too much what you get for the little darlings. The next guy will just chuck it all out and start again anyway.

absy123

our internet filtering is handled via a hardware box (dont know what it … our internet filtering is handled via a hardware box (dont know what it is called) and a year-on-year subscription of a around £300.



I hope you aren't searching your vocabulary for the word "router".

clemf

My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not … My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not really all that fast, being more that 8 years old. Personally if you are looking at second hand systems I'd look into something like this:http://www.schtrade.co.uk/dc7800p-sff-core-2-duo-2-33ghz-2gb-ram-80gb-hdd-dvd-rom-6888/You'll have to install the operating systems, but that's not too hard a job once you get the first 30 over with. I would recommend the core 2 duo over a xeon which is meant for servers. Having installed systems in schools I would say that hard drives and graphics cards are irrelevant. Better off putting cheap 60gb ssds in systems like the 7800p. The amount of time wasted in schools waiting for slow systems to boot, resume, or just load programs is criminal.

clemf

My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not … My personal opinion is that these would be rather power hungry, and not really all that fast, being more that 8 years old. Personally if you are looking at second hand systems I'd look into something like this:View full quoteYou'll have to install the operating systems, but that's not too hard a job once you get the first 30 over with. I would recommend the core 2 duo over a xeon which is meant for servers. Having installed systems in schools I would say that hard drives and graphics cards are irrelevant. Better off putting cheap 60gb ssds in systems like the 7800p. The amount of time wasted in schools waiting for slow systems to boot, resume, or just load programs is criminal.



I think if you put SSDs in these and upgraded the ram to 3 or 4 gig you'd have no problems running photoshop. No doubt a lot of people will shoot me down in flames, but I've certainly run it well on lower spec machines.

I had one of these XW6200 which was great on XP although the sound card failed a lot of the time. When I took it up to Win 7 it started to become quite unstable, and blue screened alot. In the end I sold it and went to an i7.

all i want to say is can i have your job? working in a private school as an IT member with little or no knowlage of value, resources and mangerment, i just hope none of the parents see this topic, i've allways been told/noticed photo editing programs require lots of ram and not graphics/processing power, they help but not as much as fast DDR3 ram would, my college i studyed at had 1st gen i3's with 8gb ram and photo shop ran like a dream because of the ram, if the school has the money to fork out for outsiders to be doing your job and would like there eco rateing drop to a G then sounds a brillant deal I think you should do as others have said and go direct to HP etc who will offer better support.

mon94key

all i want to say is can i have your job? working in a private school as … all i want to say is can i have your job? working in a private school as an IT member with little or no knowlage of value, resources and mangerment, i just hope none of the parents see this topic, i've allways been told/noticed photo editing programs require lots of ram and not graphics/processing power, they help but not as much as fast DDR3 ram would, my college i studyed at had 1st gen i3's with 8gb ram and photo shop ran like a dream because of the ram, if the school has the money to fork out for outsiders to be doing your job and would like there eco rateing drop to a G then sounds a brillant deal I think you should do as others have said and go direct to HP etc who will offer better support.


I doubt he's getting paid any extra to do this, so may not be such a desirable job for you.

These old Xenon Workstations are power hungry as mentioned here before and the CPU architecture is based on the P4. You just as well outfit the school with BBC Model B's as these machines are junk by today's standards, the lowest end £30'odd Celeron - Sandy Bridge CPU would run a P4 class Xenon into ground and perfectly capable of running Photoshop ect.

£160 can get you a decent enough ddr3 based system, dual core/2gb/320gb give or take.
buy up a load of ram and bump it up to 4gb a machine and use onboard, or if AMD, integrated gfx.

These have no warranty (that i can see) are power hungry (prob looking at 100w extra per machine).
going on 13p KwH over 8 hours and 5 day school week you are looking at an extra £30 a week. Almost a new PC every month just for running these.

New systems will have some upgradability so somewhat futureproof. These are at the end of their life. In 2
years you'll get something back for the new systems, these you'll have to pay to get rid of them.

The fact you have your own software licenses then its a no brainer.

Don't do it, think of the children

Edited by: "bargainsprunger" 30th Sep 2012

Original Poster

dothedealnow

£179 EXT VAT and shipping on the main DELL site,may be even cheaper in … £179 EXT VAT and shipping on the main DELL site,may be even cheaper in bulk or via the outlet:-http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/desktop-dealsComponentsWindows® 7 Home Premium 64bit MUIIntel® Pentium® G630 Processor (2.70GHz, 3MB)Trend Micro Titanium (15 Month) Software MUIServices & Software1Yr Collect & Return Warranty - No Upgrade SelectedDeclined Accidental Damage offerNo M-Disc requiredAlso IncludesUK/Irish (Qwerty) Dell KB212-B Quietkey USB Keyboard Black (Kit)Vostro 260 BTS : UK, FR, NL, IT Config MEUFT02012048MB (1X2048) 1333 MHz DDR3 Non-ECCDell KB212-B Quietkey USB Keyboard BlackIntegrated Video,GMA X2000500GB (7,200rpm) Hard DriveNo Media Card Reader16X DVD+/- RW Optical Drive (DVD & CD read and write)Dell MS111 USB Wired Optical MouseDell Wireless 1502 (802.11n) WLAN Full-height Mini-CardDocumentation Vostro 260D10S120Microsoft® Office Starter 2010Vostro Desktop 260 BTS OrderVostro 260 Diagnostics and Drivers1 Year Collect and ReturnDell MS111 USB Wired Optical Mouse (Kit)



thank you for the link. it is very helpful. This is the sort of material i was looking for - either comments on the item i posted, or better alternatives. thank you.

60 refurbished pcs? that school doesn't stand a chance. you're in the wrong job..

hotukdeals.com/dea…846
£124.94 excluding.

60 of them, remove ram from 30 and put in remaining 30 bumping them up to 4gb each.

ebuyer.com/394…2-4
30x £14.35
4gb kits for the 30 you removed the ram from (can get cheaper but not much I would go with decentish branded)

This keeps all the dimms in your machines matched.


These are the integrated AMD cpu so you share the system ram for gfx. You didnt say what software your school already has whether 32 or 64bit. but a 3.5gb/512mb CPU/gfx split should be fine. If you have 64bit software then possibly invest in more ram if your budget allows and go 5.5/512mb or 5gb/1gb

ether707

60 refurbished pcs? that school doesn't stand a chance. you're in the … 60 refurbished pcs? that school doesn't stand a chance. you're in the wrong job..



what tosh, I've been running refurbished for years, my oldest PC is probably older than 15 years and still going strong, PCs don't die after a couple of years use, especially business PCs made to higher standard and treated more gently.

there are many reasons to suggest this is not the best purchase, but yours is not one of them

mike

mon94key

all i want to say is can i have your job? working in a private school as … all i want to say is can i have your job? working in a private school as an IT member with little or no knowlage of value, resources and mangerment, i just hope none of the parents see this topic, i've allways been told/noticed photo editing programs require lots of ram and not graphics/processing power, they help but not as much as fast DDR3 ram would, my college i studyed at had 1st gen i3's with 8gb ram and photo shop ran like a dream because of the ram, if the school has the money to fork out for outsiders to be doing your job and would like there eco rateing drop to a G then sounds a brillant deal I think you should do as others have said and go direct to HP etc who will offer better support.



best not go on what you're 'told' and go for experience, my machine of similar ilk, though made by Dell, is fine running all of today's software especially Photoshop on windows 7 (it's not possible to measure any real difference compared to an i7 with 8GB sitting next to it), it's a long time since the specification of CPU/memory made any difference to standard desktop applications, 4GB is fine for all but the worst images being edited, if anything the only improvement you'll get beyond this specification is to go to an SSD drive which invariably will blow the budget completely.

Just because a new processor exists, doesn't mean you need it, the only thing driving performance up is the need for ever faster equipment to allow 3D gaming at ever increasing realism, the difference for office applications is barely noticeable.

mike
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