HP i7 Desktop Machine - Business Only - BT £489.95 + VAT £587.94
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HP i7 Desktop Machine - Business Only - BT £489.95 + VAT £587.94

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Found 11th Jul 2011
* Dont buy this, it's a crap deal *

If you're looking to upgrade the pc at work or anything like that, great model here. Processor alone is rated the 15th best out there.

Product DescriptionHP Elite 7200 - Core i7 2600
Detail

General
TypePersonal computer
Recommended UseSmall business, corporate business
Product Form FactorMicro tower
Width18.5 cm
Depth41.6 cm
Height38.5 cm
Weight7.6 kg
LocalisationEnglish / United Kingdom
Processor
TypeIntel Core i7 2600
Multi-Core TechnologyQuad-Core
64-bit ComputingYes
Installed Qty1
Max Supported Qty1
UpgradabilityUpgradable
Cache Memory
TypeL3 Cache
Installed Size8 MB
Cache Per Processor8 MB
RAM
Installed Size4 GB
TechnologyDDR3 SDRAM - non-ECC
Memory Speed1333 MHz
Memory Specification CompliancePC3-10600
Form FactorDIMM 240-pin
Storage Controller
Type1 x Serial ATA - integrated
Controller Interface TypeSerial ATA-300
Storage
Hard Drive1 x 500 GB - standard - Serial ATA-300 - 7200 rpm
Optical Storage
TypeDVD±RW (±R DL) / DVD-RAM - Serial ATA
CD / DVD Rewrite Speed32x (CD) / 6x (DVD-RW) / 8x (DVD+RW) / 12x (DVD-RAM)
Disc Labeling TechnologyLightScribe Technology
OS - Windows 7 Professional

26 Comments

+ VAT. Sounds very pricey to me

I can build a core i5 2500k and overclock it easily to these speeds for cheaper.

cpubenchmark.net/cpu…GHz

Original Poster

Businesses can claim back the VAT, For a HP Machine, you won't get anything as good for your money.

Original Poster

Jellybeans

I can build a core i5 2500k and overclock it easily to these speeds for … I can build a core i5 2500k and overclock it easily to these speeds for cheaper.http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-2600+%40+3.40GHz



So you'd want to make 10 of them? And you'd be overclocking, why couldn't you then overclock this core, to make it quicker than your overclocked one ;-)

Overclocking, would also i assume void warranty... this isn't a personal pc deal. It'll go cold, because people won't actually realise that.
Edited by: "jasonodell" 11th Jul 2011

Original Poster

Also to add, Windows 7 Professional, not Home or Premium.

far too expensive imo

Original Poster

sedd33

far too expensive imo



because?

jasonodell

So you'd want to make 10 of them? And you'd be overclocking, why couldn't … So you'd want to make 10 of them? And you'd be overclocking, why couldn't you then overclock this core, to make it quicker than your overclocked one ;-)Overclocking, would also i assume void warranty... this isn't a personal pc deal. It'll go cold, because people won't actually realise that.



This isn't a K model, which means oveclocking is more restrictive. Intel came out with the K version so that you casn overclocking. This will not void your warranty.

The thing is this can work out more expensive than building your own machine for not much more performance. The windows 7 professional is a good addition, but again you are free to choose what OS you want.

Original Poster

Why would need to overclock a business pc, the fact is this is for business,

You buy, you plug in, you go.

It'll take hours to get to the same point you are suggesting with installs and overclocking. As well as the OS and Office 2010 supplied.

jasonodell

because?



Check this out.

ebuyer.com/pro…629

If zoostorm, a crappy pc maker could come out with the same specs, but more ram and larger hard disk, how comes HP - the largest pc maker with cheaper manufacturing costs come out with something a little bit more expensive.

jasonodell

Why would need to overclock a business pc, the fact is this is for … Why would need to overclock a business pc, the fact is this is for business, You buy, you plug in, you go.It'll take hours to get to the same point you are suggesting with installs and overclocking. As well as the OS and Office 2010 supplied.



It doesn't say for this price you get office 2010 as well.

jasonodell

Why would need to overclock a business pc, the fact is this is for … Why would need to overclock a business pc, the fact is this is for business, You buy, you plug in, you go.It'll take hours to get to the same point you are suggesting with installs and overclocking. As well as the OS and Office 2010 supplied.



Point is you don't even need to overclock an i5 2500K - it's plenty fast, but the potential is there. Only major caveat I see is hyperthreading, but with four cores on an i5 2500k, there's really no major advantage.

Original Poster

you get a 30 day pre install, just fired ours up.

Original Poster

Jellybeans

Point is you don't even need to overclock an i5 2500K - it's plenty fast, … Point is you don't even need to overclock an i5 2500K - it's plenty fast, but the potential is there. Only major caveat I see is hyperthreading, but with four cores on an i5 2500k, there's really no major advantage.



So how much is this pc you are making up? And how long in hours would it take you to get to the same point as a ready made version, bearing in mind we've got 10 of these...

Definitely expensive for a 4GB 1x500GB machine. Integrated graphics too?

jasonodell

So how much is this pc you are making up? And how long in hours would it … So how much is this pc you are making up? And how long in hours would it take you to get to the same point as a ready made version, bearing in mind we've got 10 of these...



scan.co.uk/pro…ail = £164inc

scan.co.uk/pro…atx = £80

scan.co.uk/pro…8ms = £40

scan.co.uk/pro…65v = £55

scan.co.uk/pro…atx = £44

scan.co.uk/pro…psu = £23

scan.co.uk/pro…oem = £133

Keyboard mouse = £20 tops.

Total = £559.

More ram, more hard-disk, better OS, better mobo, better psu, better case.

How much does your IT dude earn per an hour = £15. Cause it takes an hour to build this system

Original Poster

best expire this then for being a s*** deal apparently.

jasonodell

best expire this then for being a s*** deal apparently.



Nah it's a good deal...will always get cold votes from home PC builders who don't understand the benefits an out of box volume PC can give...

Better OEM software/driver support/better warranty/Cheap on-site support carepacks etc..

I've got 3000 Windows 7 desktops to roll out to a customer soon...I'll just get onto Ebuyer and order 3000 of each of those parts suggested....

Seriously even for 10 machines It really isn't worth the hassle to build yourself for a £30 saving.

Urigium: If you think this is a good deal for a volume purchase then I hope you're not in charge of IT procurement at your company.

joeybutterface

Urigium: If you think this is a good deal for a volume purchase then I … Urigium: If you think this is a good deal for a volume purchase then I hope you're not in charge of IT procurement at your company.



For a volume of 10 i wouldn't expect to get a discount.....

for hundreds or thousands i wouldn't be talking to BT ;-)



Edited by: "Uridium" 11th Jul 2011

You should raise your expectations then. I have successfully negotiated decent discounts on as few as 3 system purchases. For 10, I can usually get Dell to give us the equivalent of one system free.

joeybutterface

You should raise your expectations then. I have successfully negotiated … You should raise your expectations then. I have successfully negotiated decent discounts on as few as 3 system purchases. For 10, I can usually get Dell to give us the equivalent of one system free.



Even more reason for the OP to buy prebuilt then...

Fortunately i don't have to buy PC's...I work for one of the big PC manufacturers ;-)

Uridium

Even more reason for the OP to buy prebuilt then...Fortunately i don't … Even more reason for the OP to buy prebuilt then...Fortunately i don't have to buy PC's...I work for one of the big PC manufacturers ;-)



I absolutely agree with the arguments against building yourself. I've argued against this idiotic thinking countless times on here with enthusiasts who seemingly think everyone should want to assemble a bunch of fiddly components to save themselves £50.

But this particular deal is not good value in any sense of the word. It's overpriced, underspecced, and just the ticket for BT to offload on smaller businesses for a good profit margin.

joeybutterface

I absolutely agree with the arguments against building yourself. I've … I absolutely agree with the arguments against building yourself. I've argued against this idiotic thinking countless times on here with enthusiasts who seemingly think everyone should want to assemble a bunch of fiddly components to save themselves £50.But this particular deal is not good value in any sense of the word. It's overpriced, underspecced, and just the ticket for BT to offload on smaller businesses for a good profit margin.



I think pre-built is a good comparison of how much a pc should cost tops. If a pc cannot beat a build-it-yourself price even with labour factored, then to me it's a bad deal.

TBH you needn't have such a powerful business pc, unless you are one of the teams which requires brute force computing. Most office workers jsut do word processing, internet and email. If you're into the idea of buying the fastest computers available and you don't fall into one of the specialist categories then if I was your boss I will need a pretty good excuse or replace you with someone else.

Edited by: "Jellybeans" 11th Jul 2011

Jellybeans

I think pre-built is a good comparison of how much a pc should cost tops. … I think pre-built is a good comparison of how much a pc should cost tops. If a pc cannot beat a build-it-yourself price even with labour factored, then to me it's a bad deal.



Not really. People rarely are able to do a complete like-for-like comparison of components. Sure they'll price out the CPU, graphics card and a nice case, and then shop around for the cheapest motherboard, power supplly, memory, hard drives, etc. and claim this proves (insert_oem_here) is ripping them off. But since you don't know precisely what components are inside that pre-built machine, you are not striking a fair comparison.


Edited by: "joeybutterface" 11th Jul 2011

joeybutterface

Not really. People rarely are able to do a complete like-for-like … Not really. People rarely are able to do a complete like-for-like comparison of components. Sure they'll price out the CPU, graphics card and a nice case, and then shop around for the cheapest motherboard, power supplly, memory, hard drives, etc. and claim this proves (insert_oem_here) is ripping them off. But since you don't know precisely what components are inside that pre-built machine, you are not striking a fair comparison.



That is quite true, you won't get like for like comparrison with components. You'll notice that I was pushing for a i5 2500k instead of the one sold (i7 2600). This had a potential saving of £60 but with a slower chip, which I reasoned could be spent on the other componments. The OEM system may even have a ati/amd 5450 graphics card, which I saved by using a Zxx or H67 chipset by using the on-chip HD graphics. Nearly no noticable difference in speed.

The issue is, I kinda know what goes into a HP machine. I've looked around a few. Usually, cheap OEM Foxconn stuff. Very low expandability, cases which are designed to that effect - this is a little better. HP cases mind you are quite good, I prefer them, to Dell's and even other major OEM manufacturers.PSU's are not great, but they work. RAM on the OEM manu is slower speed ram as well, but pretty much like the dvd-drive, harddisk, cpu, and OS is standard stuff that can be sourced anywhere.

The point in this case is, if you can source better components elsewhere and build a system cheaper than the OEM - who can negotiate pretty hefty discounts with other manufacturers then the pc-builder OEM or reseller is being greedy.I reckon this system is £200-£150 too expensive.
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