HP MicroServer Gen8 £179.94  + £6.95 del  (+ £35 Cash Back) @ ServersPlus
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HP MicroServer Gen8 £179.94 + £6.95 del (+ £35 Cash Back) @ ServersPlus

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Found 14th Jan 2015
Best deal I've seen by far. Getting to the halcyon days of the previous Gen 7's

Updated to include VAT and Del. Still a bargain!

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That price you've quoted appears to be ex VAT.

inc VAT it's £179.94

Original Poster

genieuk2008

That price you've quoted appears to be ex VAT.inc VAT it's £179.94



My bad was so taken by the price. Still not bad though. I guess with the Gen 9's being announced this will be the start of the 'promotions' for this box.

Edited price to reflect inc. VAT
Edited by: "ElGato" 14th Jan 2015

Hot deal, wish I had held out for one of these instead of the n54l.

Plus delivery at £6.95 +vat?

Original Poster

chugerblug

Plus delivery at £6.95 +vat?



Good point, well spotted. so used to free delivery options.

ElGato

Good point, well spotted. so used to free delivery options.



Yes, I was expecting it to be free too

sorry hp but couldnt resist the lenovo TS140...bit of a beast at a bargain!

Tempted!!

Original Poster

philipkole

I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking … I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking at Synology 2bay and 4bay options. Synology tech wise looks very poor. How easy is it to make this into something similar? Any guides? Or should I stick to Synology? Someone I know is selling used Synology DS211j with 2x2TB for £130. Just not sure about 128mb RAM and basic processor.



All you need to know here -> xpenology.com/for…f=2

philipkole

I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking … I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking at Synology 2bay and 4bay options. Synology tech wise looks very poor. How easy is it to make this into something similar? Any guides? Or should I stick to Synology? Someone I know is selling used Synology DS211j with 2x2TB for £130. Just not sure about 128mb RAM and basic processor.

these servers are more versatile and expandable.

guys to be honest the only thing this is good for is being a NAS,
seriously just look at the spec of it,
for this to be any thing useful as a server it would need at least a xeon quad core processor,
minimum of 12 GB RAM, then there's the disks, at least 2 1TB enterprise SATA in raid 1,
the built in RAID in these is pretty good though,
but i'd still buy a build NAS because when you work it out, you're going to get a better deal just buying a NAS that's built for purpose.
as this box stands it's a non starter for any tasks.
i admit it's a good price for what is more or less a barebone under powered server,

Edited by: "thespongie" 14th Jan 2015

thespongie

guys to be honest the only thing this is good for is being a … guys to be honest the only thing this is good for is being a NAS,seriously just look at the spec of it,for this to be any thing useful as a server it would need at least a xeon quad core processor,minimum of 16 GB RAM, then there's the disks, at least 2 1TB enterprise SATA in raid 1,the built in RAID in these is pretty good though, but i'd still buy a build NAS because when you work it out, you're going to get a better deal just buying a NAS that's built for purpose.as this box stands it's a non starter for any tasks.i admit it's a good price for what is more or less a barebone under powered server,

Total cost about £287 - 2.2GHz dual core, 2GB RAM and 6.25TB worth of … Total cost about £287 -> 2.2GHz dual core, 2GB RAM and 6.25TB worth of storage.An empty 4 bay Synology DS414 is about £350 - with a slower processor, less RAM, less customisability and no hard drives.



looks good for the price, that would definitely work as a decent NAS......but i'd not be using REDs, stick in the WD blacks.

thespongie

guys to be honest the only thing this is good for is being a … guys to be honest the only thing this is good for is being a NAS,seriously just look at the spec of it,for this to be any thing useful as a server it would need at least a xeon quad core processor,minimum of 12 GB RAM, then there's the disks, at least 2 1TB enterprise SATA in raid 1,the built in RAID in these is pretty good though, but i'd still buy a build NAS because when you work it out, you're going to get a better deal just buying a NAS that's built for purpose.as this box stands it's a non starter for any tasks.i admit it's a good price for what is more or less a barebone under powered server,



I disagree. If you know what you are doing, these can be a great tool.
My old original microserver is still running 4 virtual machines (including a plex server) with 8 gig of RAM installed, and provides about 10terra of NFS to the other machines at home. Hasnt missed a beat.

deangreen4

I disagree. If you know what you are doing, these can be a great tool.My … I disagree. If you know what you are doing, these can be a great tool.My old original microserver is still running 4 virtual machines (including a plex server) with 8 gig of RAM installed, and provides about 10terra of NFS to the other machines at home. Hasnt missed a beat.



that box out of the box is pretty useless, which is my point, you're going to have to upgrade it, there's no argument from me over the price, as i said it's a good price for what it is, and if the build quality of these is any thing like their "bigger" small servers, then it'll run for years.


Edited by: "thespongie" 14th Jan 2015

thespongie

that box out of the box is pretty useless, which is my point, you're … that box out of the box is pretty useless, which is my point, you're going to have to upgrade it, there's no argument from me over the price, as i said it's a good price for what it is, and if the build quality of these is any thing like their "bigger" small servers, then it'll run for years.



Nothing wrong with these as media/home/small office/low level web servers. You seem to be thinking large enterprise usage when you heard the word server. These machines are more than powerful enough to work as a low level server for remote backups and basic tasks. Even as a cheap desktop they work well.

You do not automatically need a server to have a Xeon or insane levels of RAM to be effective for many uses in the environments these are intended for.

philipkole

I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking … I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking at Synology 2bay and 4bay options. Synology tech wise looks very poor. How easy is it to make this into something similar? Any guides? Or should I stick to Synology? Someone I know is selling used Synology DS211j with 2x2TB for £130. Just not sure about 128mb RAM and basic processor.



synology are good but these hp microservers are better in some respects and very cheap for a 4 bay server - decent build quality for the price too - I had an n40 with windows home server 2011 (I must be only person who thought both versions of WHS were awful but they were cheap). don't forget you need to add the os to this microserver, plenty of free ones and expensive ones
Edited by: "royals" 15th Jan 2015

Astec123

Nothing wrong with these as media/home/small office/low level web … Nothing wrong with these as media/home/small office/low level web servers. You seem to be thinking large enterprise usage when you heard the word server. These machines are more than powerful enough to work as a low level server for remote backups and basic tasks. Even as a cheap desktop they work well. You do not automatically need a server to have a Xeon or insane levels of RAM to be effective for many uses in the environments these are intended for.


i'm not necessarily disagreeing with your comments or deangreen4, what i am saying is that in no bloody way is this what it is advertised at, from the page
"Overview
The HP ProLiant MicroServer Gen8 is a small, quiet, and stylishly designed server that is ideal as a first server solution for small businesses."
ehh no it is not, not one bit, not even close to an ideal first server, as for the other uses you have suggested, yes why not, it will do the job.

but to finish off, i'm seriously considering buying one, i have plenty of spare ram here and spare enterprise sata disks, this would make a nice NAS at home. i going to have to vote it hot now
Edited by: "thespongie" 15th Jan 2015

It *is* a small, quiet and stylish server (well maybe not the quietest!). I have had the previous gen N40 running for a couple of years and it has coped well with lots of tasks, including running some VMs, despite its lowly CPU. Depending on what your small business does, this is more than suitable. I recently got one of these Gen8 machines as I *do* need more power now for very specific tasks (transcoding of video streams as well as more VMs) and the Gen8 is CPU-upgradeable which makes it a fine home server, especially due to its low power draw. I've got one of these:
amazon.co.uk/gp/…VRE
and these in it:
amazon.co.uk/gp/…LH8

If you aren't technical then this isn't the machine for you, get a ready-made NAS. If you are thinking about getting one there are lots of resources out there on upgrades, mods, etc. for example over at homeservershow.com/for…-8/

Have fun.

philipkole

I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking … I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking at Synology 2bay and 4bay options. Synology tech wise looks very poor. How easy is it to make this into something similar? Any guides? Or should I stick to Synology? Someone I know is selling used Synology DS211j with 2x2TB for £130. Just not sure about 128mb RAM and basic processor.


To get Synology DSM use my guide - cyanlabs.net/Thr…ide

Still £149 inc VAT after cashback at Ebuyer with free delivery.
ebuyer.com/517…421
Edited by: "CaNsA" 15th Jan 2015

Mmm
4 x 3Tb drives.
Can you replace the dvd drive with a HDD bay and stick a small SSD in to boot from there?

Yer these are so bad you just cant do anything with them
and the network performance is soo bad only 227MB/s geez
i should upgrade

http://s28.postimg.org/sdnq6lzvg/image.jpg
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thespongie

guys to be honest the only thing this is good for is being a … guys to be honest the only thing this is good for is being a NAS,seriously just look at the spec of it,for this to be any thing useful as a server it would need at least a xeon quad core processor,minimum of 12 GB RAM, then there's the disks, at least 2 1TB enterprise SATA in raid 1,the built in RAID in these is pretty good though, but i'd still buy a build NAS because when you work it out, you're going to get a better deal just buying a NAS that's built for purpose.as this box stands it's a non starter for any tasks.i admit it's a good price for what is more or less a barebone under powered server,




Edited by: "Shonk" 16th Jan 2015

Don't think I would buy another microserver from hp. Last one died just after 2 years leaving me in the lurch.

Got 4 x 3tb with min with a 8gb and Xeon upgrade runs sweet for all my home server needs, game servers, plex server and loads more.

Will this be good as a Plex server which can also transcode?

Shonk

Yer these are so bad you just cant do anything with themand the network … Yer these are so bad you just cant do anything with themand the network performance is soo bad only 227MB/s geezi should upgrade



Looks good.

I take it you are channel bonding both the ports on the HP - and doing the same on the source machine?

Did you do anything to improve cooling after adding the Xeon? I saw someone spent some time lapping the heatsink, I didn't bother and just set the BIOS to Increased Cooling (or whatever the middle option was called) and it sits between 69 and 75 degrees when running Prime95, never goes past that.

ivordeal

Will this be good as a Plex server which can also transcode?



Yes, I currently use an older N40L, it works fine except with the highest of bitrate items being transcoded down to 720p, then it struggles, but fine on anything else and streaming high bitrate to laptops. A friend is using the N54L, and apart from the initial buffering, theirs handles the high bitrate transcodes perfectly as well. Both of these are single stream sessions.

The server here is better than both of these and should not struggle with any streaming or transcoding on single stream, can probably handle two transcodes quite well and if streaming to devices which require no transcoding, I would guess it should handle a few at a time without complaint.
Edited by: "nige182" 16th Jan 2015

Nope SMB 3 onwards supports SMB Multichannel
so aslong as the two devices are windows 8/8.1/2012 they auto use both ip's

Added a 50mm delta blower (dropped the rpm from 3850 to 2800 silent..)
(its a few degrees cooler if i dont slow down the delta)

Temp peaks at around 15 mins as the main fan is still 9%
then it slowly ramps to 19% and temp drops slightly

Fan Speed
0 min 9%
10 min at 9%
22 min 19%
27 min 9% (5 mins after test)

here's where i posted about fitting the fan
homeservershow.com/for…ps/

22mins prime
http://s2.postimg.org/lq37cdbex/image.jpg

http://s2.postimg.org/tldqr6l1l/image.jpg

timefortea

Looks good.I take it you are channel bonding both the ports on the HP - … Looks good.I take it you are channel bonding both the ports on the HP - and doing the same on the source machine?Did you do anything to improve cooling after adding the Xeon? I saw someone spent some time lapping the heatsink, I didn't bother and just set the BIOS to Increased Cooling (or whatever the middle option was called) and it sits between 69 and 75 degrees when running Prime95, never goes past that.





Edited by: "Shonk" 16th Jan 2015

I'll buy it when it drops to below £100 after cashback!

deangreen4

I disagree. If you know what you are doing, these can be a great tool.My … I disagree. If you know what you are doing, these can be a great tool.My old original microserver is still running 4 virtual machines (including a plex server) with 8 gig of RAM installed, and provides about 10terra of NFS to the other machines at home. Hasnt missed a beat.



True. I have 16GB in mine running 8 VM'S. Other one similar to you running 4 VM'S including a plex vm

philipkole

I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking … I need NAS for home. Need one for storing media backup. Currently looking at Synology 2bay and 4bay options. Synology tech wise looks very poor. How easy is it to make this into something similar? Any guides? Or should I stick to Synology? Someone I know is selling used Synology DS211j with 2x2TB for £130. Just not sure about 128mb RAM and basic processor.




Get one of these. All the functionality of a NAS and MUCH MUCH more. But only if you are a Techie. If not, get a NAS.

msharif911

Get one of these. All the functionality of a NAS and MUCH MUCH more. But … Get one of these. All the functionality of a NAS and MUCH MUCH more. But only if you are a Techie. If not, get a NAS.



Totally agree with this. Have got Freenas running on mine and it's awesome, but it's not for someone that knows nothing about BSD or Linux.

And to the plonker that said this is no good as a server - complete drivel. Works perfectly as a file server for a small sized business, running Server 2008 or Linux.

Shonk

Yer these are so bad you just cant do anything with themand the network … Yer these are so bad you just cant do anything with themand the network performance is soo bad only 227MB/s geezi should upgrade



nice setup, i like how you have given your drives those icons. but why did you try to mask out your DNS name?
i found out what it is

Looks like the Gen8's might actually start coming down in price, finally

Thanks to this thread instead of mucking about on the internet, I have downloaded VMWare Vsphere Hypervisor and finally getting on with doing the stuff I really bought this for.

my n54l works a treat, nothing special
VMware , Server 2012 / 8 GB and 3x 2TB Reds and well happy
Space left to run other OS's or have a play around
In ore of Shonk ! thats a hell of a setup

Shonk

Nope SMB 3 onwards supports SMB Multichannelso aslong as the two devices … Nope SMB 3 onwards supports SMB Multichannelso aslong as the two devices are windows 8/8.1/2012 they auto use both ip'sAdded a 50mm delta blower (dropped the rpm from 3850 to 2800 silent..) (its a few degrees cooler if i dont slow down the delta)Temp peaks at around 15 mins as the main fan is still 9%then it slowly ramps to 19% and temp drops slightlyFan Speed0 min 9%10 min at 9%22 min 19%27 min 9% (5 mins after test)here's where i posted about fitting the fanhttp://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8499-on-die-cpu-temps/#entry9177722mins prime



Interesting, was just reading up on SMB Multichannel there, so for now it's Microsoft only but is a work-in-progress for Samba (I'm a Linux'er). Every day is a school day!

Here is a link that shows you how to apply the Free VMWare Licence. I have been stumped on this for years till I found this.

vladan.fr/app…xi/

Why are people still marking this as hot?
Am I missing something blindingly obvious?
Exactly the same unit, as far as i can see, is available on ebuyer for less with free delivery.

£149 inc VAT after cashback with free delivery.
ebuyer.com/517…421

CaNsA

Why are people still marking this as hot?Am I missing something … Why are people still marking this as hot?Am I missing something blindingly obvious?Exactly the same unit, as far as i can see, is available on ebuyer for less with free delivery.£149 inc VAT after cashback with free delivery.http://www.ebuyer.com/517760-hp-proliant-gen8-g1610t-microserver-712317-421



I am not sure, although given the choice I'd pay a couple of quid more and order from ServersPlus who I have ordered from a couple of times now and they have delivered quickly. I haven't used their customer service though.
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