HP MicroServer (Latest Gen10) - £50 HP Cashback - £219.24 (£169.24 after cashback) @ eBuyer
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HP MicroServer (Latest Gen10) - £50 HP Cashback - £219.24 (£169.24 after cashback) @ eBuyer

£219.24Ebuyer Deals
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Found 13th Oct
HP Product Code: 873830-421

Spec:
HPE ProLiant Gen10 Entry Spec
  • Internal Bays Qty: 4
  • Processor: 1 x AMD Opteron X3216 / 1.6GHz (Dual-Core)
  • RAM Installed: 8GB DDR4 SDRAM
  • No HDD's Included

Interfaces
1 x VGA ¦ 3 x USB 2.0 (2 rear, 1 internal) ¦ 2 x LAN (Gigabit Ethernet) ¦ 4 x USB 3.0 (2 front, 2 rear)

Cashback Form:
image.ebuyer.com/cus…pdf

Product must have been invoiced and delivered between 1 October - 31 October 2017.
Completed cashback applications must be received by 30 November 2017.


TCB may also offer 1.5% cashback on this purchase.

44 Comments

Unless you are very restricted for space, or need to change disks often, I really think it`s no longer worth it. 8 gigs of ram is welcome of course.
Also with the optimun size of hard disks being about 4-5 terrabytes, you really need more space for more disks, which is difficult here, but easy with a standard midi pc
Edited by: "jasee" 13th Oct

the gen8 is better in every aspect
and can be picked up for £100

HP advertise it as supplied with or supporting ClearOS, which looks interesting. But which version?
clearos.com/pro…ons

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Shonk29 m ago

the gen8 is better in every aspectand can be picked up for £100



It uses twice as much power.... Jeremy? is that you?

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jasee34 m ago

Unless you are very restricted for space, or need to change disks often, I …Unless you are very restricted for space, or need to change disks often, I really think it`s no longer worth it. 8 gigs of ram is welcome of course.Also with the optimun size of hard disks being about 4-5 terrabytes, you really need more space for more disks, which is difficult here, but easy with a standard midi pc



I have an N54L which is great, and a Poweredge T20 which is also great but doesnt sit on the shelf like the N54L, and runs a tad hotter but is vastly more powerful. Horses for courses I guess.

jasee7 h, 20 m ago

Unless you are very restricted for space, or need to change disks often, I …Unless you are very restricted for space, or need to change disks often, I really think it`s no longer worth it. 8 gigs of ram is welcome of course.Also with the optimun size of hard disks being about 4-5 terrabytes, you really need more space for more disks, which is difficult here, but easy with a standard midi pc



Except if the Gen8 is anything to go by this will have, in certain areas, far superior components than a consumer machine. The HP microservers have always had fantastic OS support and very good storage controllers, NICs etc.

On the other hand - no ILO means it’s a massive fail as far as I’m concerned.

arthurplank7 h, 30 m ago

I have an N54L which is great, and a Poweredge T20 which is also great but …I have an N54L which is great, and a Poweredge T20 which is also great but doesnt sit on the shelf like the N54L, and runs a tad hotter but is vastly more powerful. Horses for courses I guess.


Would you say this is better performance and power than the N54L? I've got one of those atm and an SSD with my VMs to use the storage, could do with the performance a little better on my VMs.

Max-Power4 m ago

Would you say this is better performance and power than the N54L? I've got …Would you say this is better performance and power than the N54L? I've got one of those atm and an SSD with my VMs to use the storage, could do with the performance a little better on my VMs.



The gen10 will be far more powerful as it’s a much newer cpu.

Can find more info below
homeservershow.com/for…rs/

Still soldered cpu, no b120 controller (marvel aren’t generally as great with stuff like BSD - freenas etc) and no out of band management to me means the gen10 is a far better machine. Especially if you can find a compatible upgrade cpu.

gkdkfcd20031 h, 4 m ago

Except if the Gen8 is anything to go by this will have, in certain areas, …Except if the Gen8 is anything to go by this will have, in certain areas, far superior components than a consumer machine. The HP microservers have always had fantastic OS support and very good storage controllers, NICs etc. On the other hand - no ILO means it’s a massive fail as far as I’m concerned.

I have the Gen8 and it’s fantastic running xpenology. I logged in to the iLO control panel once and haven’t used it since. What’s the benefits compared to this which doesn’t have the feature?

Shonk8 h, 29 m ago

the gen8 is better in every aspectand can be picked up for £100


Can you elaborate please?

I have Gen8 (and quite happy with it) but as soon as I saw this deal I was thinking of upgrading straight away because it's an amazing deal. Obviously I'm assuming that Gen10 is better than Gen8.

Gen8 had replaceable cpu. If it were me I'd get that as more options.

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refaey54 m ago

Can you elaborate please?I have Gen8 (and quite happy with it) but as soon …Can you elaborate please?I have Gen8 (and quite happy with it) but as soon as I saw this deal I was thinking of upgrading straight away because it's an amazing deal. Obviously I'm assuming that Gen10 is better than Gen8.

​If you run it 24/7 the Gen10 will Save you some pennies as the CPU is more efficient. Apart from that you might not notice any great performance improvement.

More efficient than the Gen8 but the soldered CPU limits its potential
Edited by: "cooliusxp" 13th Oct

Mada062 h, 58 m ago

I have the Gen8 and it’s fantastic running xpenology. I logged in to the i …I have the Gen8 and it’s fantastic running xpenology. I logged in to the iLO control panel once and haven’t used it since. What’s the benefits compared to this which doesn’t have the feature?



ILO is out of band management. You can remote control the device even in the bios, turn it on and off as if you were standing in front of it and you can remote boot off an iso etc to remotely install an OS.

This is proper server grade functionality and requires an expensive license if you want to use all the ilo stuff but you can pick them up off eBay cheaply.

Major enterprises use some sort of ilo/ilom/ipmi throughout their data centres to reduce support overhead (a crashed os doesn’t require someone to go into a data centre). However it’s not only enterprise it’s useful for.

It allows you to stick your home servers in a cupboard or cabinet and not worry about access or keyboards and monitors etc. I can vpn into my home network from anywhere and use the HP ILO app for IOS to remote manage my servers with only my iPhone, perfect when windows server decides to mark my network as public after a patch Tuesday - very useful when SWMBO is complaining she can watch tv off the server and I’m away.

It also allows me to reinstall OS’s on my test rig when VMs just won’t do. I’m going to be at a loss this weekend hundreds of miles from home but I’m seriously considering trying clearos as a potential for a win server 2016 replacement on one of my machines. I’ll be able to do this with ILO and VPN.

Intel AMT (on xenons and used on lower end dell servers for example) is no where near as reliable as ILO or ikvm over IPMI (super micro etc) and I don’t think AMD offer any alternative. Hopefully HP will offer a “RAC” controller card for the gen10 like they did with the gen7 but we’ll see.

gkdkfcd20032 h, 3 m ago

ILO is out of band management. You can remote control the device even in …ILO is out of band management. You can remote control the device even in the bios, turn it on and off as if you were standing in front of it and you can remote boot off an iso etc to remotely install an OS. This is proper server grade functionality and requires an expensive license if you want to use all the ilo stuff but you can pick them up off eBay cheaply. Major enterprises use some sort of ilo/ilom/ipmi throughout their data centres to reduce support overhead (a crashed os doesn’t require someone to go into a data centre). However it’s not only enterprise it’s useful for. It allows you to stick your home servers in a cupboard or cabinet and not worry about access or keyboards and monitors etc. I can vpn into my home network from anywhere and use the HP ILO app for IOS to remote manage my servers with only my iPhone, perfect when windows server decides to mark my network as public after a patch Tuesday - very useful when SWMBO is complaining she can watch tv off the server and I’m away. It also allows me to reinstall OS’s on my test rig when VMs just won’t do. I’m going to be at a loss this weekend hundreds of miles from home but I’m seriously considering trying clearos as a potential for a win server 2016 replacement on one of my machines. I’ll be able to do this with ILO and VPN. Intel AMT (on xenons and used on lower end dell servers for example) is no where near as reliable as ILO or ikvm over IPMI (super micro etc) and I don’t think AMD offer any alternative. Hopefully HP will offer a “RAC” controller card for the gen10 like they did with the gen7 but we’ll see.


Thank you for the detailed reply, that makes sense and is very clear.

Mada0613th Oct

I have the Gen8 and it’s fantastic running xpenology. I logged in to the i …I have the Gen8 and it’s fantastic running xpenology. I logged in to the iLO control panel once and haven’t used it since. What’s the benefits compared to this which doesn’t have the feature?


jsut looking in to it... you can upgrade the processor on the gen8 that alone makes it a better investment

The X3421 looks interesting, I might have to start doing my Bios mods again for these things. Didn't bother with Gen 8.

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RustySpoons15 h, 34 m ago

The X3421 looks interesting, I might have to start doing my Bios mods …The X3421 looks interesting, I might have to start doing my Bios mods again for these things. Didn't bother with Gen 8.



I've just looked at the spec's for that CPU properly; it's a powerhouse in 35W TDP. It thrashes older CPUs for the same TDP. I know it's not going to give an i7 or i5 any grief but a respectable performance never the less. Far far more powerful than the N54L in my current Gen7.

arthurplank21 h, 25 m ago

I've just looked at the spec's for that CPU properly; it's a powerhouse in …I've just looked at the spec's for that CPU properly; it's a powerhouse in 35W TDP. It thrashes older CPUs for the same TDP. I know it's not going to give an i7 or i5 any grief but a respectable performance never the less. Far far more powerful than the N54L in my current Gen7.


ok but you can drop a i3 in the gen8

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arthurplank1 m ago

​OK, but it's not as powerful and uses 55W as the X3421 which uses 3 …​OK, but it's not as powerful and uses 55W as the X3421 which uses 35W.=2034&cmp[]=3026]CPU comparison.

URL failed,​ =2034&cmp[]=3026]hope it works this time.

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arthurplank24 s ago

URL failed,​ =2034&cmp[]=3026]hope it works this time.

​nope!

arthurplank1 h, 12 m ago

​OK, but it's not as powerful and uses 55W as the X3421 which uses 3 …​OK, but it's not as powerful and uses 55W as the X3421 which uses 35W.=2034&cmp[]=3026]CPU comparison.


hmmm ok the x3421 is better than i thought..

i3 with gpu vs x3421 apu?
i just went for a gen8

The Gen 10 is 28nm hardly wizzy new power efficient
Gen 8 is 22nm

Soldered in duel core amd Excavator cpu no thanks the xbox one has 8 of them
and its slow nevermind only 2 (not forgetting Jaguar cores have better ipc than Excavator)

The only way i would consider a gen 10 is if all these things where met

1) Cheaper than gen8
2) Opteron X3421
3) If i was going to use it as a media player rather than a server

Model X3216
Cores 2 x 1.6 Ghz
L2 Cache 1MB
Memory Support DDR4 1600
Process 28nm

A Comparison with stock cpu's and a typical cpu people fit
cpubenchmark.net/com…075

oh and btw G1610T uses under 13w under full prime 95 load
35W TDP is there for the gpu which isnt used anyway on the gen8

E3 1240 v2 uses under 50w under full prime 95 load 8 threads @ 3.6ghz
Edited by: "Shonk" 20th Oct

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Shonk15 h, 40 m ago

The Gen 10 is 28nm hardly wizzy new power efficientGen 8 is 22nmSoldered …The Gen 10 is 28nm hardly wizzy new power efficientGen 8 is 22nmSoldered in duel core amd Excavator cpu no thanks the xbox one has 8 of themand its slow nevermind only 2 (not forgetting Jaguar cores have better ipc than Excavator)The only way i would consider a gen 10 is if all these things where met1) Cheaper than gen82) Opteron X3421 3) If i was going to use it as a media player rather than a serverModel X3216Cores 2 x 1.6 GhzL2 Cache 1MBMemory Support DDR4 1600Process 28nmA Comparison with stock cpu's and a typical cpu people fithttps://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=3069&cmp[]=1190&cmp[]=2075oh and btw G1610T uses under 13w under full prime 95 load35W TDP is there for the gpu which isnt used anyway on the gen8E3 1240 v2 uses under 50w under full prime 95 load 8 threads @ 3.6ghz

​Ah, I was looking at the 4 core version as per RustySpoon's post. OK, so it's 'Meh'.

Shonk13th Oct

the gen8 is better in every aspectand can be picked up for £100


I'm after a Gen8 and the cheapest I can find is £130+ after cash back...

Just purchased a Gen8 but not having much luck on sourcing 2 PC3L-12800E 8GB ram sticks for a reasonable price.

Have got the feeling that I should have gone for the Gen10 instead...
Edited by: "karlypants" 24th Oct

karlypants24th Oct

Just purchased a Gen8 but not having much luck on sourcing 2 PC3L-12800E …Just purchased a Gen8 but not having much luck on sourcing 2 PC3L-12800E 8GB ram sticks for a reasonable price.Have got the feeling that I should have gone for the Gen10 instead...



you can get 8gb sticks for £35 on ebay just watch for a few days

Shonk8 m ago

you can get 8gb sticks for £35 on ebay just watch for a few days



I have had a good look on there but couldn't find any and retail prices are eye watering.

I will keep my eye out cheers

make sure its 12800E and not registered

I already have a Gen8 but want to set up ESXi with cluster hosts for vmotion etc. Is it worth getting this or shall I just get another gen 8 and put 16GB ram in it. Get a couple 2x2tbs and a Xeon? Price last time was near £500 for all of that. Looking for it cheaper this time...

Vmotion needs shared storage, so if this is to be it, it's limited. If you need another box to create the cluster then this cpu is also limited.

Personally, I'd stick with the Gen8 and swap out the parts you need. The Gen10 was HP's vision for a simple file server or entry media server at most. It's fallen out of scope for anything else frankly.

Pops

Shonk25th Oct

make sure its 12800E and not registered

Managed to get 2 8gig sticks for 73 quid delivered so well chuffed.

Now looking at upgrading the CPU to an E3-1270 V2.

karlypants2nd Nov

Managed to get 2 8gig sticks for 73 quid delivered so well chuffed.Now …Managed to get 2 8gig sticks for 73 quid delivered so well chuffed.Now looking at upgrading the CPU to an E3-1270 V2.



Id say 1230 v2 or 1240 v2 is the sweet spot otherwise it gets hard to cool it enough under a full prime95 load
if you want to keep the rear fan on the lowest settings

homeservershow.com/for…e=2


i have a Sunon Maglev 60x60x25mm Blower on my 1240 V2 slowed to 2000 rpm so its silent


homeservershow.com/for…e=2
Edited by: "Shonk" 8th Nov

karlypants2nd Nov

Managed to get 2 8gig sticks for 73 quid delivered so well chuffed.Now …Managed to get 2 8gig sticks for 73 quid delivered so well chuffed.Now looking at upgrading the CPU to an E3-1270 V2.



i have to get some more for my second microserver i stole its 16gb for my bedroom pc just to take it to 32gb
its running on 2x2gb atm

Shonk18 h, 48 m ago

i have to get some more for my second microserver i stole its 16gb for my …i have to get some more for my second microserver i stole its 16gb for my bedroom pc just to take it to 32gbits running on 2x2gb atm



It beggars belief why they didn't add support for registered ECC server RAM.

There is an abundance of it on Ebay and it's quite a bit cheaper too.

Shonk20 h, 31 m ago

Id say 1230 v2 or 1240 v2 is the sweet spot otherwise it gets hard to cool …Id say 1230 v2 or 1240 v2 is the sweet spot otherwise it gets hard to cool it enough under a full prime95 loadif you want to keep the rear fan on the lowest settingshttps://homeservershow.com/forums/topic/8499-on-die-cpu-temps/?page=2i have a Sunon Maglev 60x60x25mm Blower on my 1240 V2 slowed to 2000 rpm so its silenthttps://homeservershow.com/forums/topic/10922-xeon-e3-1240-v2-xeon-e3-1265l-v2-comparison/?page=2



I'm pretty sure I saw a screen shot over on HomeServerShow that you were running an E3-1290 v2?

I was originally going to add an E3-1270 v2 with the Akasa K25 heatsink and fan but hadn't really looked at the 1240 v2 which is pretty similar on the benchmarks.

Noise will be a bit of an issue as the server will be sitting in my living room inside a wooden hi-fi cabinet so heat could be a slight issue as well.

I will have a good look at the 2 links you have provided.

Thanks

My bad, it was a screen shot of a 1240 v2.

Just bagged one from ebay. I can't wait till it arrives

karlypants14 h, 59 m ago

My bad, it was a screen shot of a 1240 v2. Just bagged one from ebay. …My bad, it was a screen shot of a 1240 v2. Just bagged one from ebay. I can't wait till it arrives



yer i have a 1265L V2 and a 1240 V2

Hi Shonk,

I'm confused with the temp readings of the 1240 V2 between the Delta & Sunon Maglev blower fans.

It's looking to me that the Delta fan is performing better but I believe that this is incorrect.

Can you please clarify this for me?

Thanks.
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