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HP Proliant N54L Microserver £126.62 @ MoreComputers
HP Proliant N54L Microserver £126.62 @ MoreComputers

HP Proliant N54L Microserver £126.62 @ MoreComputers

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HP Prolant N54L with 4GB RAM, just add a hard drive and some free NAS software and you've got a nifty storage server as a base and can go from there.

Only 12 remaining as of posting this deal.

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Waiting for it to drop below £100 as it has several times before.

But thanks.

doesn't seem a bargain. not voted.

Voted ICE cold as could have been had for less months ago with cash back that is no longer available etc etc etc.

(Voted hot really ;)).

again this is the one with 4gb ram and no 250gb hdd so is worth around £35 more.

Hot,
Best price available at present and good starter RAM

Pasanda

Waiting for it to drop below £100 as it has several times before.But … Waiting for it to drop below £100 as it has several times before.But thanks.



That was when HP were dumping stock making way for the next generation, I honestly can't see them going as low again as there is still a high demand for them.

hmmm waiting for sub £100

but still hot if you need one now

This is hot. No fussing with cashback, and it's the more expensive 4GB version.

ZaphodBeeblebrox

again this is the one with 4gb ram and no 250gb hdd so is worth around … again this is the one with 4gb ram and no 250gb hdd so is worth around £35 more.



Hmmm so to replace 2GB RAM with 4GB and lose the 250GB HDD is worth £35.

That actually amounts to a loss in my opinion.

Voted cold because this could have been had months if not years ago for <£100. I know everyon here loves microsevers but they shouldn't forget their love of deals.
Edited by: "omgpleasespamme" 15th Jul 2014

also note that to upgrade the firmware you need to sign up to an account with them and then link your warranty with the account. Doing this didn't work for me for some reason and the process is a real pain. Unless this now comes with the new firmware you will need to do this if you want to install server 2012 or windows 8.1 as without it the network card wont work and abort the installation. also after a year you will have to pay to upgrade firmware

badasschris

also note that to upgrade the firmware you need to sign up to an account … also note that to upgrade the firmware you need to sign up to an account with them and then link your warranty with the account. Doing this didn't work for me for some reason and the process is a real pain. Unless this now comes with the new firmware you will need to do this if you want to install server 2012 or windows 8.1 as without it the network card wont work and abort the installation. also after a year you will have to pay to upgrade firmware



Is that the same with the ebuyer deal too?

got one of these sat in my lockup from when they were about £100 - put a pico psu in it, then never used it - eventually after gathering dust put it in my 'one for ebay' pile! good little box, but not as hot as the olden days..

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the__cat

Hmmm so to replace 2GB RAM with 4GB and lose the 250GB HDD is worth … Hmmm so to replace 2GB RAM with 4GB and lose the 250GB HDD is worth £35.That actually amounts to a loss in my opinion.



Maybe hard to put a value on it but you're not looking at it practially.

2GB RAM is useless, 4GB isn't.
250GB hard drive is useless so you'd need to buy one anyway.

That's defo not £35 of value but it explains his thinking.
Edited by: "robo989" 16th Jul 2014

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badasschris

also note that to upgrade the firmware you need to sign up to an account … also note that to upgrade the firmware you need to sign up to an account with them and then link your warranty with the account. Doing this didn't work for me for some reason and the process is a real pain. Unless this now comes with the new firmware you will need to do this if you want to install server 2012 or windows 8.1 as without it the network card wont work and abort the installation. also after a year you will have to pay to upgrade firmware



Not really true, easy to find site hosting the bios. AVForums has a thread where a nice guy has modded the bios to unlock AHCI on SATA ports even.

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chris-uk

got one of these sat in my lockup from when they were about £100 - put a … got one of these sat in my lockup from when they were about £100 - put a pico psu in it, then never used it - eventually after gathering dust put it in my 'one for ebay' pile! good little box, but not as hot as the olden days..



"one for ebay pile"
I mount those up over time with useless electronic tat...thought I was the only one
Nice to not be alone in that.

Anyone know the rough cost of running one of these servers 24/7 for a year?

badasschris

also note that to upgrade the firmware you need to sign up to an account … also note that to upgrade the firmware you need to sign up to an account with them and then link your warranty with the account. Doing this didn't work for me for some reason and the process is a real pain. Unless this now comes with the new firmware you will need to do this if you want to install server 2012 or windows 8.1 as without it the network card wont work and abort the installation. also after a year you will have to pay to upgrade firmware

Vomit

Anyone know the rough cost of running one of these servers 24/7 for a … Anyone know the rough cost of running one of these servers 24/7 for a year?

true but it wasn't until after messing about on their site for ages did I find the bios elsewhere. Still a bit annoying thing for them to do.
No idea probably less than a light bulb. What I do is have it turn off after 20 mins of inactivity and have set it to wake on lan (so i can turn it on from my phone or laptop at the press of a button) for me that means its only on a few hours a week. Maybe you would use it more

Vomit

Anyone know the rough cost of running one of these servers 24/7 for a … Anyone know the rough cost of running one of these servers 24/7 for a year?

You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This means the kWhr is 0.150X 24 hours = 3.6kW , say 1KW is £0.15 => means £0.54/day when running 24 hrs/day. This is then ~£200 per year. If however the N54L on average (because of low activities) uses 75 Watts rather than 150 Watts then your cost is halved. However the generated 3.6 kW/day is handy to have at home in the Winter. This amount of heat is sufficient to warm up two bedrooms to comfortable temperature when well insulated. Bottom line is that these servers are expensive to run 24/7. If you are running 24/7 it is worth while to research low energy alternative computing.
For the 150 Watt rating energy input to the PSU, say 70% is converted into useful power for the components in the N54L = 100 Watts
4 hard disks = 24 - 30 watts
Motherboard = 30- 40 watts
the rest is then consumed using USB connected devices, PCI-e devices
Edited by: "splender" 16th Jul 2014

Anyone know how I can buy a license / Copy of WHS 2011?
Edited by: "dmarook" 16th Jul 2014

Using the 'Get Deal' link:

"There is a technical problem with the Payment Server. Please try again later.

Server secure.worldpay.com at 16/07/2014 01:08:00"

When I am about to purchase. Will try again in the morning.

splender

You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This … You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This means the kWhr is 0.150X 24 hours = 3.6kW , say 1KW is £0.15 => means £0.54/day when running 24 hrs/day. This is then ~£200 per year. If however the N54L on average (because of low activities) uses 75 Watts rather than 150 Watts then your cost is halved. However the generated 3.6 kW/day is handy to have at home in the Winter. This amount of heat is sufficient to warm up two bedrooms to comfortable temperature when well insulated. Bottom line is that these servers are expensive to run 24/7. If you are running 24/7 it is worth while to research low energy alternative computing.For the 150 Watt rating energy input to the PSU, say 70% is converted into useful power for the components in the N54L = 100 Watts 4 hard disks = 24 - 30 wattsMotherboard = 30- 40 wattsthe rest is then consumed using USB connected devices, PCI-e devices



I did indeed wet my pants while reading this.

Vomit

Anyone know the rough cost of running one of these servers 24/7 for a … Anyone know the rough cost of running one of these servers 24/7 for a year?



I have one of the N36L 4X2TBHDD 1X128SSD 4GB RAM 45 watts normal use 80 watts peak so 60 watts avg X 24 X 7 x 52 = 525 KW PA X 0.14p per KW approx = £73.50 for me.

BTW: I have a consumption meter on mine and while the PSU states 150 Watts it does not consume that all the time.

Edited by: "Bowler_man" 16th Jul 2014

Nathe

Voted ICE cold as could have been had for less months ago with cash back … Voted ICE cold as could have been had for less months ago with cash back that is no longer available etc etc etc.(Voted hot really ;)).



I've aterted all Tardis owners to start their engines

Edited by: "spannerzone" 16th Jul 2014

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splender

You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This … You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This means the kWhr is 0.150X 24 hours = 3.6kW , say 1KW is £0.15 => means £0.54/day when running 24 hrs/day. This is then ~£200 per year. If however the N54L on average (because of low activities) uses 75 Watts rather than 150 Watts then your cost is halved. However the generated 3.6 kW/day is handy to have at home in the Winter. This amount of heat is sufficient to warm up two bedrooms to comfortable temperature when well insulated. Bottom line is that these servers are expensive to run 24/7. If you are running 24/7 it is worth while to research low energy alternative computing.For the 150 Watt rating energy input to the PSU, say 70% is converted into useful power for the components in the N54L = 100 Watts 4 hard disks = 24 - 30 wattsMotherboard = 30- 40 wattsthe rest is then consumed using USB connected devices, PCI-e devices



PSU units measure peak output, not input.
I have a 160watt picopsu powering my htpc box, power draw at wall is 18-19watts idle, 39watts full load on a quad core i7 4790T Haswell htpc, quad tuner, bluray drive, hard drive, ssd while recording 4 HD streams.

I have an N36L microserver, the older slightly slower version, with an SSD and USB3 pcie card, no other drives card and it takes 21 Watts at the wall. That runs at 1.3GHz, the N54L is at 2.2GHz, so add 5 to 10 Watts on. Of course the 2.2 doesn't run at 2.2 all the time, it clocks down to 800GHz when idle.

robo989

Maybe hard to put a value on it but you're not looking at it … Maybe hard to put a value on it but you're not looking at it practially.2GB RAM is useless, 4GB isn't.250GB hard drive is useless so you'd need to buy one anyway.That's defo not £35 of value but it explains his thinking.



I'm definitely looking at this practically.

2GB RAM is ample for a media server or NAS. A 250GB drive can easily be used as an OS drive while extra drives can be added for storage. If you configure your box badly that doesn't mean that the components are useless.

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the__cat

I'm definitely looking at this practically.2GB RAM is ample for a media … I'm definitely looking at this practically.2GB RAM is ample for a media server or NAS. A 250GB drive can easily be used as an OS drive while extra drives can be added for storage. If you configure your box badly that doesn't mean that the components are useless.



I don't disagree or agree it just came across that you were adding up numbers in the post I quoted
If not using ZFS 2GB is plenty but if using ZFS as lots of people do these days then the 2GB is completely useless as you need a minimum of 8GB to get useable performance out of it, the issue is that the 250GB drive is using up a drive bay, most would just load nas4free on a heavy duty USB stick.

Vomit

Anyone know the rough cost of running one of these servers 24/7 for a … Anyone know the rough cost of running one of these servers 24/7 for a year?



According to this they use around 50w and peak at 70w at full load when you've got 5 drives in there, so unless you're caining the processor 24/7, it'd take about 20 hours to use a unit of electricity. That'd be 438 units a year or probably a lot less if you're not using all of the drive bays...
So it could be around £44 per year if you're paying 10p per unit. Possibly more if it's heavily utilised, or less if it's just sitting idle most of the time with only 2 drives in there.
Edited by: "dfunked" 16th Jul 2014

splender

You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This … You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This means the kWhr is 0.150X 24 hours = 3.6kW , say 1KW is £0.15 => means £0.54/day when running 24 hrs/day. This is then ~£200 per year. If however the N54L on average (because of low activities) uses 75 Watts rather than 150 Watts then your cost is halved. However the generated 3.6 kW/day is handy to have at home in the Winter. This amount of heat is sufficient to warm up two bedrooms to comfortable temperature when well insulated. Bottom line is that these servers are expensive to run 24/7. If you are running 24/7 it is worth while to research low energy alternative computing.For the 150 Watt rating energy input to the PSU, say 70% is converted into useful power for the components in the N54L = 100 Watts 4 hard disks = 24 - 30 wattsMotherboard = 30- 40 wattsthe rest is then consumed using USB connected devices, PCI-e devices


I actually measured mine when running and at idle it was 44w, when playing videos it crept up to 54w
thats with 3xHD GFx card and 4gb ram.
The processor was not overclocked in any way So yes about the same as an old lightbulb

splender

You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This … You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This means the kWhr is 0.150X 24 hours = 3.6kW , say 1KW is £0.15 => means £0.54/day when running 24 hrs/day. This is then ~£200 per year. If however the N54L on average (because of low activities) uses 75 Watts rather than 150 Watts then your cost is halved. However the generated 3.6 kW/day is handy to have at home in the Winter. This amount of heat is sufficient to warm up two bedrooms to comfortable temperature when well insulated. Bottom line is that these servers are expensive to run 24/7. If you are running 24/7 it is worth while to research low energy alternative computing.For the 150 Watt rating energy input to the PSU, say 70% is converted into useful power for the components in the N54L = 100 Watts 4 hard disks = 24 - 30 wattsMotherboard = 30- 40 wattsthe rest is then consumed using USB connected devices, PCI-e devices



Rubbish! I monitored mine fitted with 4 HDDs and a dual satellite card using a watt meter, it used 1.3kwh which on my OVO tarrif is 15p a day!

robo989

I don't disagree or agree it just came across that you were adding up … I don't disagree or agree it just came across that you were adding up numbers in the post I quoted :)If not using ZFS 2GB is plenty but if using ZFS as lots of people do these days then the 2GB is completely useless as you need a minimum of 8GB to get useable performance out of it, the issue is that the 250GB drive is using up a drive bay, most would just load nas4free on a heavy duty USB stick.



I hear you! ZFS is quite heavy on RAM, although the spec states 1GB requirement. With that little RAM I suspect read-caching would be non-existent though so throughput from the box might be slow.

paperboy2

I did indeed wet my pants while reading this.



I wet my pants before reading this, then again I have a weak bladder

splender

You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This … You may wet your pants if you read this. The wattage has 150 watts. This means the kWhr is 0.150X 24 hours = 3.6kW , say 1KW is £0.15 => means £0.54/day when running 24 hrs/day. This is then ~£200 per year. If however the N54L on average (because of low activities) uses 75 Watts rather than 150 Watts then your cost is halved. However the generated 3.6 kW/day is handy to have at home in the Winter. This amount of heat is sufficient to warm up two bedrooms to comfortable temperature when well insulated. Bottom line is that these servers are expensive to run 24/7. If you are running 24/7 it is worth while to research low energy alternative computing.For the 150 Watt rating energy input to the PSU, say 70% is converted into useful power for the components in the N54L = 100 Watts 4 hard disks = 24 - 30 wattsMotherboard = 30- 40 wattsthe rest is then consumed using USB connected devices, PCI-e devices



If you were to stick a Watt meter on this Microserver, you'd see it wouldn't touch those amounts of usage. Also it will be idle for a reasonable period throughout the day and draw even less power. If you put a 700W PSU in this server it wouldn't use the 700W, it uses only what it requires.

Edited by: "fishmaster" 16th Jul 2014

Guys (& gals), can anyone recommend any forums or sites for a NAS beginner?

I have plex media server running on a mac. Ideally I want to set this up on a seperate NAS server but 1. Dunno where to start and 2. Don't know how I would transfer files from mac to server (mac doesnt use NTFS file format and FAT wont cut it)

Any pointers are appreciated!
Edited by: "defard" 16th Jul 2014

fishmaster

If you were to stick a Watt meter on this Microserver, you'd see it … If you were to stick a Watt meter on this Microserver, you'd see it wouldn't touch those amounts of usage. Also it will be idle for a reasonable period throughout the day and draw even less power. If you put a 700W PSU in this server it wouldn't use the 700W, it uses only what it requires.

That's why I also wrote "half" as well. Mine was a general answer as the prospective buyer gave no details for usage.The 150 Watts is a design factor by HP and caters for a hundreds of thousands of servers sold around the world of this model. Putting a watt meter which I have shows wattage used for one specific user. It is notable that for 24/7 at 75 watts the electricity use is near £100 so for some home users either switch off when not needed or go for lower energy alternatives especially if one has many many appliances on as they all add on towards £1000 electricity bill for a family of 4 or so. Like you say, if one's bill is high well worth getting an energy wattage meter and tote up "waste" around the house.

Good price. I paid 140 for one a few weeks ago as I needed it then. For another 40 quid I got an 8gb stick on ebay to give me a reasonable 12gb for virtualisation.

splender

That's why I also wrote "half" as well. Mine was a general answer as the … That's why I also wrote "half" as well. Mine was a general answer as the prospective buyer gave no details for usage.The 150 Watts is a design factor by HP and caters for a hundreds of thousands of servers sold around the world of this model. Putting a watt meter which I have shows wattage used for one specific user. It is notable that for 24/7 at 75 watts the electricity use is near £100 so for some home users either switch off when not needed or go for lower energy alternatives especially if one has many many appliances on as they all add on towards £1000 electricity bill for a family of 4 or so. Like you say, if one's bill is high well worth getting an energy wattage meter and tote up "waste" around the house.



I know what you mean, I think generally the power usage won't be that significant.
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