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HPE Proliant ML10 Gen9 Pentium G4400 - 4 GB RAM, no HDD. from Ballicom - £167.00 inc. (£107.00 after cashback)
HPE Proliant ML10 Gen9 Pentium G4400 - 4 GB RAM, no HDD. from Ballicom - £167.00 inc. (£107.00 after cashback)

HPE Proliant ML10 Gen9 Pentium G4400 - 4 GB RAM, no HDD. from Ballicom - £167.00 inc. (£107.00 after cashback)

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Barebones Proliant tower server, 3.3GHz Pentium G4400, 4GB unbuffered ECC RAM. Model: 837826-421, There's a £60 cashback offer on UK stock - details here. Which ends Jan 31st 2017, Giving a final price of £89.57

2 x DisplayPort, 4 x USB 3.0 (rear), 2 x USB 2.0 (front), 1 x Gigabit Ethernet, 300W PSU, No hard disk, no optical drive. Main feature of interest is there are 6 x SATA ports. Faster CPUs (E3 Xeons) can be fitted.

I've checked with HPE promotions and Ballicom are an approved UK supplier. Reviews indicate this is a very basic tower box, room for 5+ HDDs (but may require extra hardware), but no drive cage.

**** Update 2016-12-22 09:53 - price now increased from £149.57 to £167.00 ...
**** Update 2016-12-23 21:10 - Installed Windows 10 onto my ML10, see details in comment #51

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Anyone know how this compares to the HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen8?

hennerz

Anyone know how this compares to the HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen8?



​this is better.

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hennerz

Anyone know how this compares to the HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen8?


It has a more powerful CPU (and can be upgraded to take a standard E3 Xeon), more SATA ports, more RAM capacity (can take up to 64GB) and more space inside. However, the Microserver has a proper disk cage (so it's easier to replace disks) and has full ILO support (the ML10 Gen9 doesn't). Nothing to choose in terms of idle power consumption.

I have a Microserver G9 but tempted to change!

it still tickles me how they throw a celly in it and call it a server, thats just all kinds of wrong!

If the cashback works out this would make a pretty decent multi purpose machine for poostorm money.

Add some ram and a 460/1050 and someones got an half decent christmas present.

Have some heat

Must. Resist. Buying. Another.

Does ML10 unofficially supports non-ecc RAM like Dell T20 or Lenovo TS140?

It's a good price so heat from me. I'd personally stick to a Xeon based ML10 though.

In fact I've 3 of the previous gen ML10s with ECC memory and half decent 7200rpm drives - they make great VMWare servers.

ActionHank

Does ML10 unofficially supports non-ecc RAM like Dell T20 or Lenovo TS140?



You can use either usually. ECC is preferred.

cheap

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DAZZ2000

... I'd personally stick to a Xeon based ML10 though...


Adding your own E3 1200 V5 CPU will add another £200+ to the price - still cheaper than buying the HPE Xeon equipped ML10s though you will lose your warranty.

Sf2rox

it still tickles me how they throw a celly in it and call it a server, … it still tickles me how they throw a celly in it and call it a server, thats just all kinds of wrong!If the cashback works out this would make a pretty decent multi purpose machine for poostorm money.Add some ram and a 460/1050 and someones got an half decent christmas present.Have some heat



​I'm kind of confused about that actually.... I've been looking at refurbished towers because I need something with a little but of grunt but don't have much cash... What's the difference between a server and a regular desktop? Could I use this as a regular desktop?

cjed

Adding your own E3 1200 V5 CPU will add another £200+ to the price - … Adding your own E3 1200 V5 CPU will add another £200+ to the price - still cheaper than buying the HPE Xeon equipped ML10s though you will lose your warranty.



True, it sounds a better prospect still than buying the already Xeon equipped version. As for warranty - it's a caveat yes but I'd still do it carefully and swap the chip back over in the event of a warranty claim

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technodai

... Could I use this as a regular desktop?


Certainly, TBH this server has more in common with standard consumer desktop construction than traditional tower servers. You'll need to add your own disk(s) and OS, and probably a DP to HDMI/DVI adapter. I use a Lenovo TS140 Thinkserver as my main desktop, and have built standard desktops using Dell T20s for friends.

In that case I'm struggling to find 'the catch' and there's got to be one... Even before the cash back this seems a far better buy than any refurb I can find, with better mobo/cpu AND I can upgrade graphics and RAM cheaply and easily?
Edited by: "technodai" 21st Dec 2016

technodai

In that case I'm struggling to find 'the catch' and there's got to be … In that case I'm struggling to find 'the catch' and there's got to be one... Even before the cash back this seems a far better buy than any refurb I can find, with better mobo/cpu AND I can upgrade graphics and RAM cheaply and easily?



Yup. The C2D this will replace will fetch £50 so this will cost me less than a takeaway.

technodai

In that case I'm struggling to find 'the catch' and there's got to be … In that case I'm struggling to find 'the catch' and there's got to be one... Even before the cash back this seems a far better buy than any refurb I can find, with better mobo/cpu AND I can upgrade graphics and RAM cheaply and easily?



I'm interested to know this too. Really tempted to order as I'd like a desktop, but wanted to know more before I bite

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technodai

In that case I'm struggling to find 'the catch' and there's got to be … In that case I'm struggling to find 'the catch' and there's got to be one...

The main one is that you'll get no help from HP for use in "unsupported" applications. That means no driver support for Windows 10 (Only Windows Server 2012 / 2016 and some Linux variants). Having said that, I would expect Windows 10 to have drivers for most of the on-board hardware. There may also be issues with getting BIOS updates from HP (they sometimes restrict these to users with a maintenance agreement).

really want this but ddr4 is putting me off I have 16gb ddr3 ecc in my hp gen8 that is retired due to being too noisy this would be ideal but don't want to buy ram is ddr4 cheap now I have ddr3 coming out of my ears so haven't looked into it

Is Ballicom an authorised HP partner though (needed for cashback)? Also nothing showing on the product page itself about the cashback offer compared with other resellers.

Yes, Ballicom is an authorised HPE reseller.

juux

Yes, Ballicom is an authorised HPE reseller.


Strange as i searched HPE find a partner with Ballicom's postcode and they don't appear.

findapartner.hpe.com/ (as per the link in the cashback pdf)

Awesome price with the cashback!

Couple of questions that someone might be able to answer:

- What is the max resolution it can output from the display ports? Will it output at 4k?
- Does the onboard SATA controller support RAID?

TIA

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Sh4rk_test

Is Ballicom an authorised HP partner though (needed for cashback)? Also … Is Ballicom an authorised HP partner though (needed for cashback)? Also nothing showing on the product page itself about the cashback offer compared with other resellers.


I e-mailed the promotions company that manages the cashback for HPE (e-mail on the cashback form), and received this reply : "Ballicom are an authorised supplier and provided that the serial number is verified by HPE as UK stock then you will be able to receive the rebate."

Purchased something from these guys few years ago which turned out to be faulty on arrival.

Wouldnt accept return and kept fobbing me off to manufacturer. Repeatedly told me if I returned without authorisation they would charge a 20% restocking fee.

An absolute nightmare to deal with, turned into a 2 week long saga and only refunded me when I approached trading standards.

I left multiple reviews on trust pilot but everytime Ballicom managed to have it deleted by claiming I was not a customer.

Check Reviews.co.uk for feedback they cant delete.

Id avoid.
Edited by: "callum84" 22nd Dec 2016

cjed

I e-mailed the promotions company that manages the cashback for HPE … I e-mailed the promotions company that manages the cashback for HPE (e-mail on the cashback form), and received this reply : "Ballicom are an authorised supplier and provided that the serial number is verified by HPE as UK stock then you will be able to receive the rebate."



There are always questions like this with cashback from HP, they don't help themselves with their website being incomplete/out of date and with their opaque tiers of partner.

technodai

​I'm kind of confused about that actually.... I've been looking at r … ​I'm kind of confused about that actually.... I've been looking at refurbished towers because I need something with a little but of grunt but don't have much cash... What's the difference between a server and a regular desktop? Could I use this as a regular desktop?



Of course. The statement I made about them "calling it a server " was an ironic one. Theres nothing "server" about this. Its nothing more than a desktop... they just choose to refer to it as a server.

No "real server" would have any of this hardware, let alone a celeron processor, which is the complete opposite of what a "server" should be.

For example it would be no different walking into any car dealership and them promoting their cars as potential "Race" cars. Sure you could race them if you wanted but in reality they are just bog standard cars. So them referring to this as a "server" is nothing more than a suggestion of what you might choose to do with it. Given the hardware utilized its anything but a "server" in the traditional sense (its like calling a Nissan micra a formula 1 car.)

So rest assured, its nothing more than a quite well priced pre-built PC, no special hardware, and certainly NOT a "server."
Edited by: "deletedUser549343" 22nd Dec 2016

Sf2rox

Of course. The statement I made about them "calling it a server " was an … Of course. The statement I made about them "calling it a server " was an ironic one. Theres nothing "server" about this. Its nothing more than a desktop... they just choose to refer to it as a server.No "real server" would have any of this hardware, let alone a celeron processor, which is the complete opposite of what a "server" should be.



For a small office/domestic file and print server, a celeron is plenty enough. Not every server has to be overloaded with Xeons. Still a server. The other thing you have to pay attention to is the firmware. The Neo equipped Microservers lacked an S3 state in the bios meaning that it couldn't go to sleep. You either had to hibernate, close the machine down when idling or keep it running 24/7. Fine for servers, not so much for desktops. I also have an ML5, which only had 8x PCIe bus lanes and whose firmware clocked any graphics card down automatically to x1, so not much use as a desktop for any sort of gaming.

I would be wary of recommending any HP server as a desktop replacement without checking the innards - including the onboard firmware.
Edited by: "dheydl" 22nd Dec 2016

Price is now £167inc

hennerz

Anyone know how this compares to the HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen8?



This is better but bigger. If you don't mind the size the Dell T20 deal is better.

Sf2rox

Of course. The statement I made about them "calling it a server " was an … Of course. The statement I made about them "calling it a server " was an ironic one. Theres nothing "server" about this. Its nothing more than a desktop... they just choose to refer to it as a server.No "real server" would have any of this hardware, let alone a celeron processor, which is the complete opposite of what a "server" should be.

Not every server has to be overloaded with Xeons. Still a server. The … Not every server has to be overloaded with Xeons. Still a server. The other thing you have to pay attention to is the firmware. The Neo equipped Microservers lacked an S3 state in the bios meaning that it couldn't go to sleep. You either had to hibernate, close the machine down when idling or keep it running 24/7. Fine for servers, not so much for desktops. I also have an ML5, which only had 8x PCIe bus lanes and whose firmware clocked any graphics card down automatically to x1, so not much use as a desktop for any sort of gaming. I would be wary of recommending any HP server as a desktop replacement without checking the innards - including the onboard firmware.



Indeed. This would run rings round the dual Xeon Poweredge that pretty much ran my last company for ten years until a few months ago in terms of CPU, memory latency/bandwidth etc. The HP would not be as good if used as a boat anchor though - that Dell was HEAVY.

In reality, at the low-end the thing that separates servers from desktop is the support, both in terms of SLAs/expectations, and in terms of support for monitoring and management tools.



Yes, for this one I believe you'll probably have to acquire the RAID driver prior to installing a desktop OS as this probably won't be supported out of the box by Windows 10

Sf2rox

Of course. The statement I made about them "calling it a server " was an … Of course. The statement I made about them "calling it a server " was an ironic one. Theres nothing "server" about this. Its nothing more than a desktop... they just choose to refer to it as a server.No "real server" would have any of this hardware, let alone a celeron processor, which is the complete opposite of what a "server" should be.For example it would be no different walking into any car dealership and them promoting their cars as potential "Race" cars. Sure you could race them if you wanted but in reality they are just bog standard cars. So them referring to this as a "server" is nothing more than a suggestion of what you might choose to do with it. Given the hardware utilized its anything but a "server" in the traditional sense (its like calling a Nissan micra a formula 1 car.)So rest assured, its nothing more than a quite well priced pre-built PC, no special hardware, and certainly NOT a "server."


Oh stop it.

It has dual NICs, HPE iLO and ECC RAM. The clock speed is fine for small workloads and is upgradeable to Xeon E3 if needed. It supports Server 2012, Ubuntu, Red Hat and VMWare. That makes it a server in my book.

Of course you wouldn't host a big workload on it! It's a single-socket 4U tower server, good for remote sites and corporate branch offices running file/print, web messaging, and small vertical applications or databases.

It's also good for home labs, so you can prototype configs and bone up on install variants - review here

Excellent value for those of us on a tight budget - and it should be ok for basic home desktops as well - just normally these machines have customer motherboards, small PSUs and limited upgradeability, but I haven't looked closely so happy to be corrected.
Edited by: "Hootwo" 22nd Dec 2016

dheydl

For a small office/domestic file and print server, a celeron is plenty … For a small office/domestic file and print server, a celeron is plenty enough. Not every server has to be overloaded with Xeons. Still a server. The other thing you have to pay attention to is the firmware. The Neo equipped Microservers lacked an S3 state in the bios meaning that it couldn't go to sleep. You either had to hibernate, close the machine down when idling or keep it running 24/7. Fine for servers, not so much for desktops. I also have an ML5, which only had 8x PCIe bus lanes and whose firmware clocked any graphics card down automatically to x1, so not much use as a desktop for any sort of gaming. I would be wary of recommending any HP server as a desktop replacement without checking the innards - including the onboard firmware.



Whilst i agree most modern day SOHO servers don't have to have the same grunt of something more commercial a celeron is literally the last processor you'd want doing anything mission critical, so in that sense this is no more a server than my raspberry pi. Infact the only reason these are so popular with techies is that they are the next cheapest possible option to simply cobbling something together out of spare parts.

I don't think anyone here is suggesting this would make an excellent foundation for a hardcore gaming rig but theres certainly nothing stopping you from using this as a run-of-the-mill desktop with a certain amount of upgradability just as you would any other pc really.

As someone already stated servers are all about the uptime and support and less about what context the hardware is being used. If money was not a factor you wouldn't use a celeron in a server(or period tbh.) So it is what it is, a cheap pc.

Hootwo

Oh stop it.It has dual NICs, HPE iLO and ECC RAM. The clock speed is fine … Oh stop it.It has dual NICs, HPE iLO and ECC RAM. The clock speed is fine for small workloads and is upgradeable to Xeon E3 if needed. It supports Server 2012, Ubuntu, Red Hat and VMWare. That makes it a server in my book.Of course you wouldn't host a big workload on it! It's a single-socket 4U tower server, good for remote sites and corporate branch offices running file/print, web messaging, and small vertical applications or databases.It's also good for home labs, so you can prototype configs and bone up on install variants - review hereExcellent value for those of us on a tight budget - and it should be ok for basic home desktops as well - just normally these machines have customer motherboards, small PSUs and limited upgradeability, but I haven't looked closely so happy to be corrected.



It's got wheels, windows and seats. It must be a bus, right?

cjed

Adding your own E3 1200 V5 CPU will add another £200+ to the price - … Adding your own E3 1200 V5 CPU will add another £200+ to the price - still cheaper than buying the HPE Xeon equipped ML10s though you will lose your warranty.


No you won't so long as you use the HP provided heatsink and fans etc. You will only lose warranty if you damage the motherboard/CPU socket when installing the CPU

Detailed specifications of the ML10 Gen9 range are on the link below, gives product codes for options etc
https://www.hpe.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04922941.pdf
Search on 837826 (without the -421 ending) for more information on that specific model. Has a non hot plug drive cage so you just install/screw in drives inside the server (like most PCs) rather than slot loading (like most servers)
The included RAID controller can even do RAID 5 (if you have at least 3 drives) as well as the more common RAID 1 and RAID 0 options.

3guesses

Couple of questions that someone might be able to answer: - What is the … Couple of questions that someone might be able to answer: - What is the max resolution it can output from the display ports? Will it output at 4k? - Does the onboard SATA controller support RAID?TIA


Not sure on graphics
RAID 0, 1, 10, 5 all supported

Now at £165 for some reason.

Its £155 on here, no sure if you can claim cashback with them though:
comms-express.com/pro…vr/
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