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ASUS X409FA-EK034T laptop 8GB, NVMe SSD, £399.97 at Box
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ASUS X409FA-EK034T laptop 8GB, NVMe SSD, £399.97 at Box

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Posted 21st Oct 2019

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  • Intel Core i5-8265U Quad Core Processor
  • 14" Full HD Anti Glare Screen
  • Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  • 8GB DDR4 RAM
  • 256GB NVMe SSD
  • Integrated Intel HD 620 Graphics
  • USB3 | HDMI | Bluetooth
  • X409FA-EK034T

Long time lurker, (virtually) first time poster so go easy on me Hopefully this will benefit some.

This laptop seems to tick almost all the boxes that a mid ranger should have.

Decent CPU - check
NVMe SSD - check
USB C - check
Upgradable RAM - check (although only one socket, so you need to replace the existing)
Under £400 - check

In fact the only boxes it doesn't tick are IPS, backlit keyboard and thunderbolt, but at this price point I think we can agree its a bit of a bargain

This was submitted on a mis-price the other day for £370 but seemed to be price corrected to £510 within 30 mins of the deal going live.

Edit: thought this had IPS to begin with. Turns out not.
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PureGolden21/10/2019 21:47

I'm not sure where you got your those numbers from but there is quite a …I'm not sure where you got your those numbers from but there is quite a lot of difference between an i5 and i7..It just depends on what you wanna use the laptop forE.g. for me an i5 is perfectly fine as a student for work, multitasking and everyday type useFor a professional, video editor, filmmaker, basically people who want the best of the best, they'd go for the i7


No, you are wrong. In this generation i5 and i7 are nearly the same and the only real difference is slightly bumped up base clock and turbot and slightly more cache, which corresponds to negligible performance difference between them. In fact, in some laptops due to thermal limitations i5 will perform better for professional use than i7 because i7 will throttle its speed more aggressively.

The difference between them two was more prominent when i5 was 2 cores and i7 was 4 cores. In 8th gen ulv they are both 4 cores.
There is also a 15.6" variant available for the same price, and both of these as i7-8565U for an extra £100.

IMO the i7 is not worth the extra as I've done my homework and makes about 3% difference. Feel free to correct me if you have more info.
PureGolden21/10/2019 22:21

.. but only the i7 has hyper-threading which (like i said before)


Nothing to you mate, but again, you are wrong and giving misleading information.

i7 used to have hyper-threading in previous generations and i5 in previous generations lacked it. From 8th gen ulv they both have hyper-threading.

There is hardly any difference between i5 and i7 in 8th gen ULV and it is coming from real life and professional tests (not just benchmarks). Especially when you take into consideration that i7 due to higher clock speeds and higher temperature will be throttled and will "run out" of turbo sooner than i5 and all the difference there was will just disappear.

The only benefit buying i7 8th gen over i5 8th gen is possibly - slightly better resell value, because people will buy products looking at number after letter "i" not really knowing what they mean and what they are capable of. On the other hand, it is good for people who know what they buying, as they are going to strike a better deal with used items as they will be undervalued.

If you truly are professional, than you already know you should be buying - HQ or MQ versions instead of ULV.
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There is also a 15.6" variant available for the same price, and both of these as i7-8565U for an extra £100.

IMO the i7 is not worth the extra as I've done my homework and makes about 3% difference. Feel free to correct me if you have more info.
Nice price and spec. Can't see much (or anything for that matter) in the way of reviews, but I doubt you'd go far wrong with it.
andymk321/10/2019 20:47

Nice price and spec. Can't see much (or anything for that matter) in the …Nice price and spec. Can't see much (or anything for that matter) in the way of reviews, but I doubt you'd go far wrong with it.


There are a few on Youtube under X409FA. I've pulled the trigger as it seems a no frills decent laptop.
Good deal, would have bought it if it wasn't for backlit keyboard...
andymk321/10/2019 20:47

Nice price and spec. Can't see much (or anything for that matter) in the …Nice price and spec. Can't see much (or anything for that matter) in the way of reviews, but I doubt you'd go far wrong with it.


I'd always look for good reviews as it seems too common laptops can throttle the CPU because the cooling isn't up to the job.
Good deal. Its pretty light as well I believe.

Just checked and its 1.6kg so not that lightweight.
Edited by: "afroylnt" 21st Oct 2019
Is this really an IPS?
Looks like a TN panel?
GFunk21/10/2019 20:47

There is also a 15.6" variant available for the same price, and both of …There is also a 15.6" variant available for the same price, and both of these as i7-8565U for an extra £100.IMO the i7 is not worth the extra as I've done my homework and makes about 3% difference. Feel free to correct me if you have more info.


I'm not sure where you got your those numbers from but there is quite a lot of difference between an i5 and i7..

It just depends on what you wanna use the laptop for

E.g. for me an i5 is perfectly fine as a student for work, multitasking and everyday type use

For a professional, video editor, filmmaker, basically people who want the best of the best, they'd go for the i7
PureGolden21/10/2019 21:47

I'm not sure where you got your those numbers from but there is quite a …I'm not sure where you got your those numbers from but there is quite a lot of difference between an i5 and i7..It just depends on what you wanna use the laptop forE.g. for me an i5 is perfectly fine as a student for work, multitasking and everyday type useFor a professional, video editor, filmmaker, basically people who want the best of the best, they'd go for the i7


No, you are wrong. In this generation i5 and i7 are nearly the same and the only real difference is slightly bumped up base clock and turbot and slightly more cache, which corresponds to negligible performance difference between them. In fact, in some laptops due to thermal limitations i5 will perform better for professional use than i7 because i7 will throttle its speed more aggressively.

The difference between them two was more prominent when i5 was 2 cores and i7 was 4 cores. In 8th gen ulv they are both 4 cores.
michalko21/10/2019 21:59

No, you are wrong. In this generation i5 and i7 are nearly the same and …No, you are wrong. In this generation i5 and i7 are nearly the same and the only real difference is slightly bumped up base clock and turbot and slightly more cache, which corresponds to negligible performance difference between them. In fact, in some laptops due to thermal limitations i5 will perform better for professional use than i7 because i7 will throttle its speed more aggressively.The difference between them two was more prominent when i5 was 2 cores and i7 was 4 cores. In 8th gen ulv they are both 4 cores.


Saved me the time to reply. Glad my homework was correct
win2621/10/2019 21:36

Is this really an IPS?


The marketing speak mentions a NanoEdge 178° viewing angle. Pretty sure you don't get that on a TN. as a backup I googled X409 IPS and a few sites specifically mention it is an IPS.
Nice! I see the i3 is £299. Wonder if it has the same screen spec? Could upgrade it to 8gb and that's a cheap laptop.
michalko21/10/2019 21:59

No, you are wrong. In this generation i5 and i7 are nearly the same and …No, you are wrong. In this generation i5 and i7 are nearly the same and the only real difference is slightly bumped up base clock and turbot and slightly more cache, which corresponds to negligible performance difference between them. In fact, in some laptops due to thermal limitations i5 will perform better for professional use than i7 because i7 will throttle its speed more aggressively.The difference between them two was more prominent when i5 was 2 cores and i7 was 4 cores. In 8th gen ulv they are both 4 cores.


Bro trust me. An 8th i7 is worth the upgrade from 8th gen i5.

You're not wrong when u said i5 2 core was worse than i7 4 core. Now they're both 4 cores yes. But you'll notice most premium laptops with i7 8th gen+ will have a higher base clocking speed than i5 8th gens,

The cache sizes are higher on many i7s than i5s, 9mb vs 12mb meaning you won't have to keep reloading those excel sheets you spent hours working on or relosd those many tabs where you spent hours researching stuff for etc..

then we have the i5 and i7 both having the capability of turbo boosting the clocking speeds... but only the i7 has hyper-threading which (like i said before) is only useful for the pros who use intensive software and need to be multi-tasking a lot like A LOT, e.g. photoshop, premiere etc. It's all good having 4 cores but its only useful if the cpu is able to utilise that effectively according to your needs. If you're not using adobe software or creating animation videos etc you don't need such a powerful cpu (tho that doesn't mean that having it is wrong it simply means even the smallest of tasks can now be done more efficiently than it would've on an i5).

If you're a gamer. I shouldn't have to explain why an i5 8th gen gaming laptop would be worse than a i7 8th gen one...

Sure the overall difference between an i5 and i7 isn't as huge as the difference between an i5 and 7. I dont think it'd be fair to say that the difference isn't worth an upgrade. For most people an i5 is more than enough. For people who want the best of the best like i said wouldn't hesitate to choose an i7 over an i5.

Like I said before, it all just comes down to how you're going to use the laptop.

Ok. I'm not gonna argue more on that its tiring and boring lol take care m8
PureGolden21/10/2019 22:21

Bro trust me. An 8th i7 is worth the upgrade from 8th gen i5.You're not …Bro trust me. An 8th i7 is worth the upgrade from 8th gen i5.You're not wrong when u said i5 2 core was worse than i7 4 core. Now they're both 4 cores yes. But you'll notice most premium laptops with i7 8th gen+ will have a higher base clocking speed than i5 8th gens,The cache sizes are higher on many i7s than i5s, 9mb vs 12mb meaning you won't have to keep reloading those excel sheets you spent hours working on or relosd those many tabs where you spent hours researching stuff for etc..then we have the i5 and i7 both having the capability of turbo boosting the clocking speeds... but only the i7 has hyper-threading which (like i said before) is only useful for the pros who use intensive software and need to be multi-tasking a lot like A LOT, e.g. photoshop, premiere etc. It's all good having 4 cores but its only useful if the cpu is able to utilise that effectively according to your needs. If you're not using adobe software or creating animation videos etc you don't need such a powerful cpu (tho that doesn't mean that having it is wrong it simply means even the smallest of tasks can now be done more efficiently than it would've on an i5).If you're a gamer. I shouldn't have to explain why an i5 8th gen gaming laptop would be worse than a i7 8th gen one...Sure the overall difference between an i5 and i7 isn't as huge as the difference between an i5 and 7. I dont think it'd be fair to say that the difference isn't worth an upgrade. For most people an i5 is more than enough. For people who want the best of the best like i said wouldn't hesitate to choose an i7 over an i5.Like I said before, it all just comes down to how you're going to use the laptop.Ok. I'm not gonna argue more on that its tiring and boring lol take care m8


Fair play - constructive discussion. I like this.

Well for me I really just want something to browse and play vids on when I'm not at home. I have a Ryzen 7 desktop for the majority of tbe time. Hopefully this puts me in the i5 best option category
Meathotukdeals21/10/2019 21:04

I'd always look for good reviews as it seems too common laptops can …I'd always look for good reviews as it seems too common laptops can throttle the CPU because the cooling isn't up to the job.



they get the CPU chips far cheaper on the condition that they will throttle them in manufacturing in a heat cooling limitation. And we know that the bamboozlers will dazzle people on social network with theoretical CPU-la-this-la-that, how many cores and threads, amunt of L2, L3 cache..none of them could even be bothered with heat sink, heat transfer rate, temperature throttling and turbo sustain rates and have no practical measurements as evidence of performance against real life workloads.
PureGolden21/10/2019 22:21

Bro trust me. An 8th i7 is worth the upgrade from 8th gen i5.You're not …Bro trust me. An 8th i7 is worth the upgrade from 8th gen i5.You're not wrong when u said i5 2 core was worse than i7 4 core. Now they're both 4 cores yes. But you'll notice most premium laptops with i7 8th gen+ will have a higher base clocking speed than i5 8th gens,The cache sizes are higher on many i7s than i5s, 9mb vs 12mb meaning you won't have to keep reloading those excel sheets you spent hours working on or relosd those many tabs where you spent hours researching stuff for etc..then we have the i5 and i7 both having the capability of turbo boosting the clocking speeds... but only the i7 has hyper-threading which (like i said before) is only useful for the pros who use intensive software and need to be multi-tasking a lot like A LOT, e.g. photoshop, premiere etc. It's all good having 4 cores but its only useful if the cpu is able to utilise that effectively according to your needs. If you're not using adobe software or creating animation videos etc you don't need such a powerful cpu (tho that doesn't mean that having it is wrong it simply means even the smallest of tasks can now be done more efficiently than it would've on an i5).If you're a gamer. I shouldn't have to explain why an i5 8th gen gaming laptop would be worse than a i7 8th gen one...Sure the overall difference between an i5 and i7 isn't as huge as the difference between an i5 and 7. I dont think it'd be fair to say that the difference isn't worth an upgrade. For most people an i5 is more than enough. For people who want the best of the best like i said wouldn't hesitate to choose an i7 over an i5.Like I said before, it all just comes down to how you're going to use the laptop.Ok. I'm not gonna argue more on that its tiring and boring lol take care m8

Edited by: "splender" 21st Oct 2019
TN panel not IPS, laptopmedia.com/lap…09/

200 Cd/m2 according to eBuyer ebuyer.com/900…77t

The ASUS web site asus.com/Lap…ns/
says the ASUS Laptop 14 X409FA has three panels:-

14.0" (16:9) LED-backlit HD (1366x768) 60Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 45% NTSC
14.0" (16:9) LED-backlit FHD (1920x1080) 60Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 45% NTSC (<======= this is TN)
14.0" (16:9) LED-backlit FHD (1920x1080) 60Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 45% NTSC with wide 178° viewing angles (<=== this is IPS)
Edited by: "splender" 21st Oct 2019
splender21/10/2019 23:38

TN panel not IPS, https://laptopmedia.com/laptop-specs/asus-x509/200 Cd/m2 …TN panel not IPS, https://laptopmedia.com/laptop-specs/asus-x509/200 Cd/m2 according to eBuyer https://www.ebuyer.com/900685-asus-x509fa-ej077t-core-i5-8gb-256gb-ssd-15-6-win10-home-laptop-x509fa-ej077tThe ASUS web site https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-Laptop-14-X409FA/specifications/says the ASUS Laptop 14 X409FA has three panels:- 14.0" (16:9) LED-backlit HD (1366x768) 60Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 45% NTSC 14.0" (16:9) LED-backlit FHD (1920x1080) 60Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 45% NTSC (<======= this is TN)14.0" (16:9) LED-backlit FHD (1920x1080) 60Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 45% NTSC with wide 178° viewing angles (<=== this is IPS)


This is an X409

transparent-uk.com/asus-x409fa-ek034t-notebook-grey-35-6-cm-14-1920-x-1080-pixels-8th-gen-intelr-coretm-i5-i5-8265u-8-gb-ddr4-sdram-256-gb-ssd-x409fa-ek034t.html

intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/devices-systems/laptops/standard/asus-x409fa-ek034t-notebook-H71569765.html


The 178° wide viewing angle info is featured:

scan.co.uk/pro…n10

laptopsdirect.co.uk/-x4…asp

ebuyer.com/900…34t

and finally, straight from the horses mouth:

asus.com/Lap…FA/

I'm really hoping its IPS

If it does turn out to be a TN, its going straight back
Edited by: "GFunk" 22nd Oct 2019
splender21/10/2019 23:10

they get the CPU chips far cheaper on the condition that they will …they get the CPU chips far cheaper on the condition that they will throttle them in manufacturing in a heat cooling limitation. And we know that the bamboozlers will dazzle people on social network with theoretical CPU-la-this-la-that, how many cores and threads, amunt of L2, L3 cache..none of them could even be bothered with heat sink, heat transfer rate, temperature throttling and turbo sustain rates and have no practical measurements as evidence of performance against real life workloads.



Maybe i've just been luck in finding reviews that do stress and monitor the cpu over time. Some of them, well, it's hardly worth going for 'better' CPU's because they get so choked off because of the bad cooling. I remember m3racer(?) saying their laptop has fans that are loud but they allow the CPU to do it's thing. I think a lot of people prefer quiet laptops and wouldn't necessarily notice what the CPU is upto. I'd prefer a loud laptop that performs rather than the opposite.
splender21/10/2019 23:38

TN panel not IPS, https://laptopmedia.com/laptop-specs/asus-x509/200 Cd/m2 …TN panel not IPS, https://laptopmedia.com/laptop-specs/asus-x509/200 Cd/m2 according to eBuyer https://www.ebuyer.com/900685-asus-x509fa-ej077t-core-i5-8gb-256gb-ssd-15-6-win10-home-laptop-x509fa-ej077tThe ASUS web site https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-Laptop-14-X409FA/specifications/says the ASUS Laptop 14 X409FA has three panels:- 14.0" (16:9) LED-backlit HD (1366x768) 60Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 45% NTSC 14.0" (16:9) LED-backlit FHD (1920x1080) 60Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 45% NTSC (<======= this is TN)14.0" (16:9) LED-backlit FHD (1920x1080) 60Hz Anti-Glare Panel with 45% NTSC with wide 178° viewing angles (<=== this is IPS)


Ahh my apologies - I've seen the details of the X409 product page that you quoted during the edit of that post.

This would be highly annoying if by the full part number of X409FA-EK034T they can come with either a TN or IPS panel.
GFunk21/10/2019 23:56

This is an …This is an X409transparent-uk.com/asus-x409fa-ek034t-notebook-grey-35-6-cm-14-1920-x-1080-pixels-8th-gen-intelr-coretm-i5-i5-8265u-8-gb-ddr4-sdram-256-gb-ssd-x409fa-ek034t.htmlintel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/devices-systems/laptops/standard/asus-x409fa-ek034t-notebook-H71569765.htmlThe 178° wide viewing angle info is featured:https://www.scan.co.uk/products/14-asus-x409fa-fhd-i5-8265u-4gb-ddr4-256gb-nvme-ssd-intel-uhd-graphics-620-ac-wifi-win10https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/-x409fa-ek034t/version.asphttps://www.ebuyer.com/900693-asus-x409fa-ek034t-core-i5-8gb-256gb-ssd-14-win10-home-laptop-x409fa-ek034tand finally, straight from the horses mouth:https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-Laptop-14-X409FA/I'm really hoping its IPSIf it does turn out to be a TN, its going straight back


The horse's mouth ASUS web site say that do three screens with two FHD screens! If you go to the BOX web site, filter on ASUS laptops with IPS panels, what you ordered has no IPS, period because it was not in description and there was no 178 degree statement. On the other hand you will see other ASUS laptops with IPS and they are stated as such, but not for the ASUS X409FA-EK034T (may be ASUS X409FA-EK034T does come in two panel versions).
splender22/10/2019 00:37

The horse's mouth ASUS web site say that do three screens with two FHD …The horse's mouth ASUS web site say that do three screens with two FHD screens! If you go to the BOX web site, filter on ASUS laptops with IPS panels, what you ordered has no IPS, period because it was not in description and there was no 178 degree statement. On the other hand you will see other ASUS laptops with IPS and they are stated as such, but not for the ASUS X409FA-EK034T (may be ASUS X409FA-EK034T does come in two panel versions).


Too true. Cancelling my order. Thanks, you've saved me the bother of a return. Will amend title. Still hopefully a good deal for non screen snobs
GFunk22/10/2019 00:35

Ahh my apologies - I've seen the details of the X409 product page that you …Ahh my apologies - I've seen the details of the X409 product page that you quoted during the edit of that post.This would be highly annoying if by the full part number of X409FA-EK034T they can come with either a TN or IPS panel.



I took a closer look as I would like another spare laptop, but, on the balance of probability I think this is a TN panel, as on BOX web sites, there is a filter search for IPS screen laptops. BOX does name Asus laptops with IPS screen clearly.
splender22/10/2019 00:45

I took a closer look as I would like another spare laptop, but, on the …I took a closer look as I would like another spare laptop, but, on the balance of probability I think this is a TN panel, as on BOX web sites, there is a filter search for IPS screen laptops. BOX does name Asus laptops with IPS screen clearly.


Yeah I've seen that now. Didn't realise they had that decent level of filtering. Quite nice actually!
The IPS models start at £499 with i3.

Trust me I cannot deal with a TN. My partner's and work laptop are both TNs and are horrific. Used to have an XPS 13 9343 which was gorgeous but the 5200U processor couldn't hack the pace, so don't regret selling it.
What type of ssd, a 2.5' or M.2 and is there a slot to add a GPU and a slot to add a 2.5' HDD?
Jeffcam22/10/2019 09:10

What type of ssd, a 2.5' or M.2 and is there a slot to add a GPU and a …What type of ssd, a 2.5' or M.2 and is there a slot to add a GPU and a slot to add a 2.5' HDD?


It has an NVMe M.2 and as far as I can tell from a review, 2 x 2.5" slots for expansion.

Definitely no way to change from the integrated 620 GPU.
Edited by: "GFunk" 22nd Oct 2019
What's the link for the i7 for £100 more for video editing please? Hopefully it can handle.
GFunk22/10/2019 00:49

Yeah I've seen that now. Didn't realise they had that decent level of …Yeah I've seen that now. Didn't realise they had that decent level of filtering. Quite nice actually!The IPS models start at £499 with i3.Trust me I cannot deal with a TN. My partner's and work laptop are both TNs and are horrific. Used to have an XPS 13 9343 which was gorgeous but the 5200U processor couldn't hack the pace, so don't regret selling it.


A bunch of us bought FX503's with the TN panel and it's truly horrific. It's worth paying the extra £ for IPS.
PureGolden21/10/2019 22:21

.. but only the i7 has hyper-threading which (like i said before)


Nothing to you mate, but again, you are wrong and giving misleading information.

i7 used to have hyper-threading in previous generations and i5 in previous generations lacked it. From 8th gen ulv they both have hyper-threading.

There is hardly any difference between i5 and i7 in 8th gen ULV and it is coming from real life and professional tests (not just benchmarks). Especially when you take into consideration that i7 due to higher clock speeds and higher temperature will be throttled and will "run out" of turbo sooner than i5 and all the difference there was will just disappear.

The only benefit buying i7 8th gen over i5 8th gen is possibly - slightly better resell value, because people will buy products looking at number after letter "i" not really knowing what they mean and what they are capable of. On the other hand, it is good for people who know what they buying, as they are going to strike a better deal with used items as they will be undervalued.

If you truly are professional, than you already know you should be buying - HQ or MQ versions instead of ULV.
michalko22/10/2019 11:39

Nothing to you mate, but again, you are wrong and giving misleading …Nothing to you mate, but again, you are wrong and giving misleading information. i7 used to have hyper-threading in previous generations and i5 in previous generations lacked it. From 8th gen ulv they both have hyper-threading. There is hardly any difference between i5 and i7 in 8th gen ULV and it is coming from real life and professional tests (not just benchmarks). Especially when you take into consideration that i7 due to higher clock speeds and higher temperature will be throttled and will "run out" of turbo sooner than i5 and all the difference there was will just disappear. The only benefit buying i7 8th gen over i5 8th gen is possibly - slightly better resell value, because people will buy products looking at number after letter "i" not really knowing what they mean and what they are capable of. On the other hand, it is good for people who know what they buying, as they are going to strike a better deal with used items as they will be undervalued.If you truly are professional, than you already know you should be buying - HQ or MQ versions instead of ULV.


Agreed. Even in synthetic benchmarks the difference is pretty small: cpu.userbenchmark.com/Com…107.

As you say, if you're a professional looking for a "best of the best" laptop to use for video editing and other CPU-intensive workloads... then the advice shouldn't be to get the i7 version of this machine, it should be to look elsewhere.
Fantastic deal
JosephRedfern22/10/2019 13:28

Agreed. Even in synthetic benchmarks the difference is pretty small: …Agreed. Even in synthetic benchmarks the difference is pretty small: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8565U-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8265U/m591977vsm566107.As you say, if you're a professional looking for a "best of the best" laptop to use for video editing and other CPU-intensive workloads... then the advice shouldn't be to get the i7 version of this machine, it should be to look elsewhere.


Or even don't get a ULV laptop full stop!
Seems good
There's a 15inch and a 14inch version for the same price. Is there any difference at all besides the slightly larger screen?
I just called them to cancel and they confirmed it is a TN panel. It’s a shame - would’ve been a brilliant deal if it was IPS!
michalko22/10/2019 11:39

<snip> i7 used to have hyper-threading in previous generations and i5 in …<snip> i7 used to have hyper-threading in previous generations and i5 in previous generations lacked it. From 8th gen ulv they both have hyper-threading. There is hardly any difference between i5 and i7 in 8th gen ULV and it is coming from real life and professional tests (not just benchmarks). Especially when you take into consideration that i7 due to higher clock speeds and higher temperature will be throttled and will "run out" of turbo sooner than i5 and all the difference there was will just disappear. <snip>


Props to both michalko and puregolden for a good discussion on why its not just cores and clock speed. Thanks & nicely done.
Hootwo22/10/2019 17:36

Props to both michalko and puregolden for a good discussion on why its not …Props to both michalko and puregolden for a good discussion on why its not just cores and clock speed. Thanks & nicely done.


It was such a 'golden' discussion




Cancelled mine this morning too. The hunt for a unicorn continues
PureGolden21/10/2019 22:21

The cache sizes are higher on many i7s than i5s, 9mb vs 12mb meaning you …The cache sizes are higher on many i7s than i5s, 9mb vs 12mb meaning you won't have to keep reloading those excel sheets you spent hours working on or relosd those many tabs where you spent hours researching stuff for etc..


This is exactly NOT how cache works.... you excel sheet doesnt just get shoved into the cache of your cpu. Anway this architecture doesnt respond that well from extra cache, it will be better in some tasks but nothing you would ever notice, partly aswell because only the L3 increases in size which is the slowest cache (throughput & latency).

Unlike amd zen or intels high core count chips they are not using a victim cache which would generally scale in performance alongside cache. Intels mainstream cpus are using write-back cache, data only gets cahced when it is very crucial to do so.

the bigest limit to performance is going to be the single channel ddr4 this laptop is running, not how much cache it has


> but only the i7 has hyper-threading which (like i said before)

no, what does that say

also i should point out intels turbo boost is time limited (and controled by the manufacture), so yes, they might boost higher theoretically but on average they are likely to be within 300mhz of each other when you start doing anything intensive on them for a long time.


also if you were a professional doing any kind of rendering you wouldnt be buying a thin and light with a low power cpu, you would be getting something with a i7/9-xxxxHK cpu or would have a render farm to connect to and use your laptop as a terminal
Edited by: "Altirix" 22nd Oct 2019
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