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Apple iMac (2019) 27 inch with Retina 5K display, 3.1GHz 6-core 8th-Gen Intel® Core™ i5 processor, 1TB Fusion Drive with Optional MS Office 365 Home - Silver

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iMac now comes packed with the latest processors, faster memory, and powerful graphics. And it has the brightest, most vibrant Retina display on a Mac. It’s the total package—powered up.

  • 27-inch (diagonal) 5120-by-2880 Retina 5K display
  • Stunning 5mm thin design
  • 6-core 8th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
  • Radeon Pro graphics processor
  • Two Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) ports
  • 802.11ac Wi-Fi
  • Magic Mouse 2
  • Magic Keyboard
  • macOS Mojave, inspired by pros but designed for everyone, with Dark Mode, Stacks, easier screenshots, useful built-in apps, and more
Create your best work. With Office 365 Home, you and your family get the latest versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, and more. Work anywhere with apps that are always updated.

12-month subscription for up to 6 people including 1TB OneDrive cloud storage each for each person. One solution for your family across all your devices. (*IOS and Android require separate app download).
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Adi_H807/02/2020 08:13

Way too much money for only an i5 core



Adi_H807/02/2020 08:31

I'm honestly not sure why anyone would need 5k screen for.



Adi_H807/02/2020 08:34

I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would …I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would be working for a multi million pound company.




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Way too much money for only an i5 core
Adi_H807/02/2020 08:13

Way too much money for only an i5 core


You have to look at it all as a package really. Just buying that monitor standalone would be around 1100. Depends how much you care about the screen though. Really depends what your gonna be using it for as well
chrisredmayne07/02/2020 08:27

You have to look at it all as a package really. Just buying that monitor …You have to look at it all as a package really. Just buying that monitor standalone would be around 1100. Depends how much you care about the screen though. Really depends what your gonna be using it for as well


I'm honestly not sure why anyone would need 5k screen for.
Cheaper to build one yourself.
Adi_H807/02/2020 08:31

I'm honestly not sure why anyone would need 5k screen for.


For video and picture editing, not needed for most users. I can't tell the difference when using it most of the time to be honest
chrisredmayne07/02/2020 08:33

For video and picture editing, not needed for most users. I can't tell the …For video and picture editing, not needed for most users. I can't tell the difference when using it most of the time to be honest


I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would be working for a multi million pound company.
Adi_H807/02/2020 08:34

I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would …I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would be working for a multi million pound company.


I'd guess you would be freelance maybe? A lot of people on YouTube that make content would probably benefit from a monitor like that. Most of the YouTube people I've watched when they show off their equipment to make videos have a 5k monitor. Not sure if it's really needed to be honest but that's what they all use
chrisredmayne07/02/2020 08:36

I'd guess you would be freelance maybe? A lot of people on YouTube that …I'd guess you would be freelance maybe? A lot of people on YouTube that make content would probably benefit from a monitor like that. Most of the YouTube people I've watched when they show off their equipment to make videos have a 5k monitor. Not sure if it's really needed to be honest but that's what they all use


'most', 'all use'. Aye OK
powerbrick07/02/2020 08:47

'most', 'all use'. Aye OK


In fairness I only watch about 5 people on YouTube ha
Adi_H807/02/2020 08:13

Way too much money for only an i5 core



Adi_H807/02/2020 08:31

I'm honestly not sure why anyone would need 5k screen for.



Adi_H807/02/2020 08:34

I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would …I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would be working for a multi million pound company.




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I'm wary of the Very deal to buy this ,is there any way of just buying this in full via PP or debit card at this price?
Adi_H807/02/2020 08:34

I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would …I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would be working for a multi million pound company.


Nonsense. Thousands of amateur photographers out there who would appreciate a 5k screen.

This is too expensive though, for what it is. Even budgeting in £1000 for the screen.
Adi_H807/02/2020 08:31

I'm honestly not sure why anyone would need 5k screen for.


People who edit/work with a lot of 4k video - like @chrisredmayne said, YouTubers. You can see the whole frame on screen without having to zoom out.
8GB of RAM and a fusion drive as opposed to a discrete SSD for this price is disappointing.
If you are buying this for graphics/video work due to the screen then the rest of the specs don't cut it.
PsillyPseudonym07/02/2020 10:25

People who edit/work with a lot of 4k video - like @chrisredmayne said, …People who edit/work with a lot of 4k video - like @chrisredmayne said, YouTubers. You can see the whole frame on screen without having to zoom out.


I get that but if you want to see one to one pixel mapping then the size of the 4k area will maybe 24".
That seems small to me to be able to see all the detail clearly.
PeacePipe07/02/2020 11:55

I get that but if you want to see one to one pixel mapping then the size …I get that but if you want to see one to one pixel mapping then the size of the 4k area will maybe 24".That seems small to me to be able to see all the detail clearly.


When you are video editing you would generally have two video streams, a timeline and other gui elements on screen all at once so 5k and 27 inch is super beneficial. Actually you would ideally want this screen for working and another screen (A playback monitor which you correctly say could be a 4k 24 inch monitor) just for viewing the output full screen.

Personally I think iMacs are great editing machines because of the screen and keyboard mouse.... for VFX/3D work then you need something with some more oomph though. I run a Hackintosh with a 3950x which is only a bit more expensive than this, that would be my recommendation but at the same time for anyone wanting a good machine for editing then this is exceptional.
tempt07/02/2020 08:31

Cheaper to build one yourself.



I agree that you could build a faster PC for less, you could customise it to your hearts content and if that is what you want and need then fantastic. £1800 is a lot of money and you could build an awesome PC for that type of money.

However, if what you want is a sleek machine that just takes up the space of a display without all of the cable hell that comes with your standard PC then you can't just make it yourself.

Bear in mind that the display easily matches the LG UltraFine 5K Display which costs at least a £1000 wherever you look.

So that leaves you with £620 for the rest of the computer. Remember, no cheap and large PC case etc here. By the time you factor in the hardware, the case design, the cost for the Operating System, Keyboard, Mouse, etc, you're actually left with a pretty good deal.

Not for you? No problem, but just because you won't use the display to it's potential, or that you are happy to have a big tower on your desk along with a screen and all of the cables that goes with it doesn't mean that everyone else is.

Choice is a wonderful thing, no?
Edited by: "david_robinson94" 7th Feb
Adi_H807/02/2020 08:34

I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would …I'm pretty sure if you needed to edit pictures on a 5k screen, you would be working for a multi million pound company.



You'd be suprised. One of my friends runs a web design company. They cover all parts of the design process from the look and feel of the site to the media that gets uploaded to it. When charging upwards of £20,000 for a professional site the customer expects it to look amazing and these displays help him achieve just that.

Not every professional needs the sheer grunt of a Mac Pro or similar, for his needs this machine is perfect and it makes him money.
PeacePipe07/02/2020 11:44

8GB of RAM and a fusion drive as opposed to a discrete SSD for this price …8GB of RAM and a fusion drive as opposed to a discrete SSD for this price is disappointing. If you are buying this for graphics/video work due to the screen then the rest of the specs don't cut it.



It's a tough one, granted. The Fusion Drive is actually very good at what it does, all of the applications most used are stored in the Flash memory so it's quick, whilst the rest of the memory is on the good old HDD element.

Still, nothing stopping you from using a Thunderbolt SSD Drive to power things along if that is a requirement or opt for the SSD in the custom build options.
chrisredmayne07/02/2020 08:27

You have to look at it all as a package really. Just buying that monitor …You have to look at it all as a package really. Just buying that monitor standalone would be around 1100. Depends how much you care about the screen though. Really depends what your gonna be using it for as well



They are a nice package but I've never really used my 2009 iMacs, I am able to do every thing I needed to do on the sofa with a tablet / phone/ laptop so a pretty expensive experiment really. At least they had target display mode in those days ( and still working)
daveandvera07/02/2020 09:19

I'm wary of the Very deal to buy this ,is there any way of just buying …I'm wary of the Very deal to buy this ,is there any way of just buying this in full via PP or debit card at this price?


I posted a link in the first comment for the same Mac at a cheaper price without needing cashback.
powerbrick07/02/2020 08:47

'most', 'all use'. Aye OK




I’m a Tech YouTuber an I use a 2019 5K iMac,does the job and is a nice tidy one cable setup.
Edited by: "Biggunspaul" 7th Feb
Biggunspaul07/02/2020 15:12

I’m a Tech YouTuber an I use a 2019 5K iMac,does the job and is a nice t …I’m a Tech YouTuber an I use a 2019 5K iMac,does the job and is a nice tidy one cable setup.


don't really care if you are I was replying to the someone else's hyperbole.
powerbrick07/02/2020 17:02

don't really care if you are I was replying to the someone …don't really care if you are I was replying to the someone else's hyperbole.


Well excuse me,not
We have had a few of these at work and a load of the smaller ones.

They are rubbish because of the fusion drive, it makes it absolute dog dirt. Okay you can use an external drive but it feels like it defeats the point of having a nice tidy AIO. Internally there is plenty of room for a proper ssd and hdd it is nonsense that it didn't

Boot HDD's, fusion or otherwise should be made illegal.
Kyouken07/02/2020 21:00

We have had a few of these at work and a load of the smaller ones.They are …We have had a few of these at work and a load of the smaller ones.They are rubbish because of the fusion drive, it makes it absolute dog dirt. Okay you can use an external drive but it feels like it defeats the point of having a nice tidy AIO. Internally there is plenty of room for a proper ssd and hdd it is nonsense that it didn'tBoot HDD's, fusion or otherwise should be made illegal.

I set up a 120/1TB fusion in my old iMac works a treat. They obvs. want you to fork out for a thunderbolt HDD and/or their cloud data even though you pay premium price in first place !
Thanks ordered two
david_robinson9407/02/2020 12:28

It's a tough one, granted. The Fusion Drive is actually very good at what …It's a tough one, granted. The Fusion Drive is actually very good at what it does, all of the applications most used are stored in the Flash memory so it's quick, whilst the rest of the memory is on the good old HDD element.Still, nothing stopping you from using a Thunderbolt SSD Drive to power things along if that is a requirement or opt for the SSD in the custom build options.


Yikes... tough? it is disgusting! for the price you are paying! as with most apple... apple can price whatever they want, but i just cant understand the hype and overglossing the pricing people are ok with... if you go for ssd options, apple charges like 4 times of actual price and use their own proprietary form to stop you from buying/upgrading it on your own... i dont know which one is worse? pricing 3x-4x actual value or stopping you from using your own? soon you wont even be able to add ram on your own... all these glued together mess and proprietary tech they keep pushing and not allowing even the simplest repairs... thanx, nothing to gloss about... i pass, i m sure some people are just too rich.... but you can do the same work half the price with better spec pcs... that why actual real world producers use real pcs and workstations... macs, some fancy youtube/ametuer short video editors... and some rich kids for status... dont ask how you know, i m an it engineer and did support some small studios, but majority of my clients who were getting macs were getting for status/show... some even were buying them for their primary school kids to do their homeworks... you know schools ask kids to do video editing on final cut pros on £1.5-2K laptops or imacs...
mysticus10/02/2020 01:22

Yikes... tough? it is disgusting! for the price you are paying! as with …Yikes... tough? it is disgusting! for the price you are paying! as with most apple... apple can price whatever they want, but i just cant understand the hype and overglossing the pricing people are ok with... if you go for ssd options, apple charges like 4 times of actual price and use their own proprietary form to stop you from buying/upgrading it on your own... i dont know which one is worse? pricing 3x-4x actual value or stopping you from using your own? soon you wont even be able to add ram on your own... all these glued together mess and proprietary tech they keep pushing and not allowing even the simplest repairs... thanx, nothing to gloss about... i pass, i m sure some people are just too rich.... but you can do the same work half the price with better spec pcs... that why actual real world producers use real pcs and workstations... macs, some fancy youtube/ametuer short video editors... and some rich kids for status... dont ask how you know, i m an it engineer and did support some small studios, but majority of my clients who were getting macs were getting for status/show... some even were buying them for their primary school kids to do their homeworks... you know schools ask kids to do video editing on final cut pros on £1.5-2K laptops or imacs...



SSD’s, let’s start with that, Apple does not charge 3-4X the price of the cost of the SSD. This is because they use the fastest and most expensive SSD’s available, in the range of the Samsung Professional NVMe variety. Do they have a very healthy 30-40% markup, sure they do, but these are not your budget friendly SSD's that most people use.
You are also correct to a point, if you don’t want that fancy fastest SSD and feel that a bog standard cheap SSD is more than fast enough for you then you do not have a choice, it’s their way or the highway.

With regards to your clients who bought their Mac’s for show. Either they are not true professional users or they are not in a business that heavily utilises the Mac, such as video, graphic design, mathematics, etc. It would be most unusual for a business to waste money on so much equipment “just for show”.

For example, in my own line of work, our top data science team use iMac Pro’s and they’ve just received a batch of the new Mac Pro. Linked in with our Unix and Linux backend servers they get improved performance out of Python and R for their data science models and as such these machines are worth every penny spent. They could use Windows and did trial it, but the Mac's were quicker and more efficient for their usage case.

I think that Apple has largely dropped out of the consumer price points, and I also think this is a HUGE mistake. Back in the day my first Mac was a £469 Mac Mini. One of my friends was a bit of an Apple Zealot and assured me I’d love the Mac. Had it been priced at today’s amount I’d never have given it a go and fallen in love with the platform.

To each their own of course. Nothing wrong with building your own PC and enjoying it or buying one off the shelf from PC World.

Macs usually get the difference back in resale value, so you don’t end up spending more if you take the whole
life of the machine into account. A 3 year old Mac will typically get 50% of its value back, assuming you look after it and keep the box. A 3 year old PC has no value.
Edited by: "david_robinson94" 10th Feb
david_robinson9410/02/2020 08:25

SSD’s, let’s start with that, Apple does not charge 3-4X the price of the c …SSD’s, let’s start with that, Apple does not charge 3-4X the price of the cost of the SSD. This is because they use the fastest and most expensive SSD’s available, in the range of the Samsung Professional NVMe variety. Do they have a very healthy 30-40% markup, sure they do, but these are not your budget friendly SSD's that most people use. You are also correct to a point, if you don’t want that fancy fastest SSD and feel that a bog standard cheap SSD is more than fast enough for you then you do not have a choice, it’s their way or the highway.With regards to your clients who bought their Mac’s for show. Either they are not true professional users or they are not in a business that heavily utilises the Mac, such as video, graphic design, mathematics, etc. It would be most unusual for a business to waste money on so much equipment “just for show”.For example, in my own line of work, our top data science team use iMac Pro’s and they’ve just received a batch of the new Mac Pro. Linked in with our Unix and Linux backend servers they get improved performance out of Python and R for their data science models and as such these machines are worth every penny spent. They could use Windows and did trial it, but the Mac's were quicker and more efficient for their usage case.I think that Apple has largely dropped out of the consumer price points, and I also think this is a HUGE mistake. Back in the day my first Mac was a £469 Mac Mini. One of my friends was a bit of an Apple Zealot and assured me I’d love the Mac. Had it been priced at today’s amount I’d never have given it a go and fallen in love with the platform.To each their own of course. Nothing wrong with building your own PC and enjoying it or buying one off the shelf from PC World.Macs usually get the difference back in resale value, so you don’t end up spending more if you take the wholelife of the machine into account. A 3 year old Mac will typically get 50% of its value back, assuming you look after it and keep the box. A 3 year old PC has no value.


Respectfully disagree with majority of your points...

SSDs: Apple charges 3-4x comparable retail/consumer ones! they do not use top of the line crap you are talking about. Even a samsung pro model costs half as much, thats still 2x the price or 100% more than actual value! Apple doesnt use a comparable samsung type pro model sorry to burst it for you. And they do also do it non standard so you cant compare it to regular modules... also apple gets hugeeeee discounts from whole/bulk purchases so yeah i think apple charges 4x to even maybe more for a comparable retail ssd!

If your science team is attached to imac pros, i m sorry for them unless they are stuck due to specific app thats restricted to mac only... you can get much better performance/value from normal pc/server world if they are concerned about unix stuff which linux is on par nowadays in terms of stability and full support for it. they are better off with non apple pcs/servers! i guess your science team has no budget constraints and have something for apple stickers if certain criteria is not limiting them to apple...

actual professional markets for video/photo/audio situations, apart from smaller markets, going for pc/linux hardware... due to 2 - 3 x better value/performance!!!


"Macs usually get the difference back in resale value" really? "A 3 year old Mac will typically get 50% of its value back" do you mean it will retain at least 50% value? thats true in pc world too but losses when you say it like 50% is not much, unless you put a value to it... e.g a £3000 macbook pro from 1-2yrs ago (not 3) cost 1500 today... yeah it kept 50% of its value but still £1500 evaporated! vs £1500 pc in 1 yr will still cost a good 700-800 depending on the condition just like the macs does! you can get a 3 yrs old £2000 price range mac for 500-700 depending on the conditions... so not 1/2 but more like 1/3... and so forth
and macs with "pro" tag still sold with 128gb ssds i5, 8gb ram, 13 screen, for £1300 base price without discreet gfx chips they used to come with! make that 16gb ram +180???? up it to 256gb ssd add £200????? dont even mention 1tb ssd, a pro samsung model cost £250-£300! apple gets it for you +600 and thats not considering their 128gb's value! so in reality apple is charging you actually close to £700 for it because u started with 128!
seriously you are saying apple is not charging 3-4x, you are blinded!

To each their own of course like you said. And you are wrong, buying and building your pc, you can get built/branded machines too for still a lot better value/performance! my argument if you read, is overpricing not performance compared to pricing! you dont get comparable value from the price tag you are paying! and not even going into hackintoshing stuff...

edit: "With regards to your clients who bought their Mac’s for show, Either they are not true professional users or they are not in a business that heavily utilises the Mac" thats what majority of the buyers are for apple today, thats how their sales grown! actual academic/scientific/pro markets didnt grow exponentially! minor semi pro markets and consumers did! which apple is aiming at! in pro equipments/hardware apple is severely lagging behind and also as they stated before, they dont value business/pro markets as much as they used to! They are entirely consumer focused today! as less then 10% of their revenue comes from macs combined, and 90% are phones!!!!
Edited by: "mysticus" 11th Feb
mysticus11/02/2020 17:44

Respectfully disagree with majority of your points...SSDs: Apple charges …Respectfully disagree with majority of your points...SSDs: Apple charges 3-4x comparable retail/consumer ones! they do not use top of the line crap you are talking about. Even a samsung pro model costs half as much, thats still 2x the price or 100% more than actual value! Apple doesnt use a comparable samsung type pro model sorry to burst it for you. And they do also do it non standard so you cant compare it to regular modules... also apple gets hugeeeee discounts from whole/bulk purchases so yeah i think apple charges 4x to even maybe more for a comparable retail ssd!If your science team is attached to imac pros, i m sorry for them unless they are stuck due to specific app thats restricted to mac only... you can get much better performance/value from normal pc/server world if they are concerned about unix stuff which linux is on par nowadays in terms of stability and full support for it. they are better off with non apple pcs/servers! i guess your science team has no budget constraints and have something for apple stickers if certain criteria is not limiting them to apple...actual professional markets for video/photo/audio situations, apart from smaller markets, going for pc/linux hardware... due to 2 - 3 x better value/performance!!! "Macs usually get the difference back in resale value" really? "A 3 year old Mac will typically get 50% of its value back" do you mean it will retain at least 50% value? thats true in pc world too but losses when you say it like 50% is not much, unless you put a value to it... e.g a £3000 macbook pro from 1-2yrs ago (not 3) cost 1500 today... yeah it kept 50% of its value but still £1500 evaporated! vs £1500 pc in 1 yr will still cost a good 700-800 depending on the condition just like the macs does! you can get a 3 yrs old £2000 price range mac for 500-700 depending on the conditions... so not 1/2 but more like 1/3... and so forthand macs with "pro" tag still sold with 128gb ssds i5, 8gb ram, 13 screen, for £1300 base price without discreet gfx chips they used to come with! make that 16gb ram +180???? up it to 256gb ssd add £200????? dont even mention 1tb ssd, a pro samsung model cost £250-£300! apple gets it for you +600 and thats not considering their 128gb's value! so in reality apple is charging you actually close to £700 for it because u started with 128!seriously you are saying apple is not charging 3-4x, you are blinded!To each their own of course like you said. And you are wrong, buying and building your pc, you can get built/branded machines too for still a lot better value/performance! my argument if you read, is overpricing not performance compared to pricing! you dont get comparable value from the price tag you are paying! and not even going into hackintoshing stuff...edit: "With regards to your clients who bought their Mac’s for show, Either they are not true professional users or they are not in a business that heavily utilises the Mac" thats what majority of the buyers are for apple today, thats how their sales grown! actual academic/scientific/pro markets didnt grow exponentially! minor semi pro markets and consumers did! which apple is aiming at! in pro equipments/hardware apple is severely lagging behind and also as they stated before, they dont value business/pro markets as much as they used to! They are entirely consumer focused today! as less then 10% of their revenue comes from macs combined, and 90% are phones!!!!


Apple exclusively uses Samsung manufactured SSD drives in their MacBook Pro and iMac Line, this has been the case since 2017. All speed tests point to equivalent speed of the drive I listed. Mixing retail pricing with the bulk pricing Apple pays makes no sense as you, the consumer, only pay retail pricing to Apple.

I find it interesting that you would dismiss a team of professionals who use the Mac’s they have to process data models that are frequently multi-terabyte in size . Obviously they don’t know what they are doing and only chose the setup they have because they felt like wasting money....... Or perhaps, just perhaps they know what they are doing, it is their job after all.

That Apple makes more money from smartphones than the Mac is irrelevant, the computer side of Apple would be a Fortune 500 sized company all on it’s own.
Edited by: "david_robinson94" 11th Feb
david_robinson9411/02/2020 18:55

Apple exclusively uses Samsung manufactured SSD drives in their MacBook …Apple exclusively uses Samsung manufactured SSD drives in their MacBook Pro and iMac Line, this has been the case since 2017. All speed tests point to equivalent speed of the drive I listed. Mixing retail pricing with the bulk pricing Apple pays makes no sense as you, the consumer, only pay retail pricing to Apple.I find it interesting that you would dismiss a team of professionals who use the Mac’s they have to process data models that are frequently multi-terabyte in size . Obviously they don’t know what they are doing and only chose the setup they have because they felt like wasting money....... Or perhaps, just perhaps they know what they are doing, it is their job after all.That Apple makes more money from smartphones than the Mac is irrelevant, the computer side of Apple would be a Fortune 500 sized company all on it’s own.


"Apple exclusively uses Samsung manufactured SSD" no they dont, they used both toshiba and samsung chips... and you were lucky to get the samsung ones for sometime initially...

"Mixing retail pricing with the bulk pricing Apple pays makes no sense as you, the consumer, only pay retail pricing to Apple." well it does if you are trying to shrink the pricing apple charges customer and fanboys to justify it...

apple charges £600 for an upgrade, where as you can get a retail one for less than half the price for a pro model that is much better than the ones sold to oem for bulk sales models! apple does not use the top of the range models, they never did! it is not in their best interest for profit margin purposes! there are oem/bulk models, there are std retail models, and there are pro models that both performance and longevity is top notch as well as a 10 year warranty!!! ask apple to change your faulty ssd after one year (without an extended warranty that is fancy name and very expensive for an insurance policy!)? however you slice the argument, you are worse off!!!


"That Apple makes more money from smartphones than the Mac is irrelevant," They have been shifting to consumers more and more for quite sometimes now, and their product cycles/periods also showing the trend, maybe it is irrelevant to you, but most of their pro stuff super basic over priced "show off/status" items now... what was pro once becoming a niche for pros, and soon i m guessing will be really niche or abandoned.... "Fortune 500 sized company" will be relevant for consumer pc sales! because majority of their sales are to hipsters and show offs nowadays... if you are really pro/scientist, get a £1000 pc and turn it into a hackintosh within a few hours, make it a £5000 mac beater! soon you will see macs will start using amd cpus too, which will make them a much more generic brand than they are now, but because it will have the apple logo it will be the new magic machine that is so not a regular pc! only reason why you call hackintoshes unreliable is only due to apple using certain chips/tricks to stop people using mac os in non magic computers that are not apple branded! no other reasons... 90+% of their stuff are third party parts that you can actually buy off the shelf from pc parts stores anywhere local/online!

"Obviously they don’t know what they are doing and only chose the setup they have because they felt like wasting money....... Or perhaps, just perhaps they know what they are doing, it is their job after all." thats you saying it all, for me, i can put together a hackintosh that will run fine for your science club without hick up, for 1/4-1/5th of apple equivalent... but cant do so commercially due to obvious reasons... and apple doesnt want any company to run mac os, for obvious $$$£££ reasons... not because apple makes great hardware they dont! they just use off the shelf parts, for now... in mobile market, they are making their own cpu with licensed arm model, but if they switch on that arm cpus to macs, they may be relevant again but that is to be seen until their performance figures comes out that if it ever materializes!...
mysticus11/02/2020 22:38

"Apple exclusively uses Samsung manufactured SSD" no they dont, they used …"Apple exclusively uses Samsung manufactured SSD" no they dont, they used both toshiba and samsung chips... and you were lucky to get the samsung ones for sometime initially... "Mixing retail pricing with the bulk pricing Apple pays makes no sense as you, the consumer, only pay retail pricing to Apple." well it does if you are trying to shrink the pricing apple charges customer and fanboys to justify it...apple charges £600 for an upgrade, where as you can get a retail one for less than half the price for a pro model that is much better than the ones sold to oem for bulk sales models! apple does not use the top of the range models, they never did! it is not in their best interest for profit margin purposes! there are oem/bulk models, there are std retail models, and there are pro models that both performance and longevity is top notch as well as a 10 year warranty!!! ask apple to change your faulty ssd after one year (without an extended warranty that is fancy name and very expensive for an insurance policy!)? however you slice the argument, you are worse off!!!"That Apple makes more money from smartphones than the Mac is irrelevant," They have been shifting to consumers more and more for quite sometimes now, and their product cycles/periods also showing the trend, maybe it is irrelevant to you, but most of their pro stuff super basic over priced "show off/status" items now... what was pro once becoming a niche for pros, and soon i m guessing will be really niche or abandoned.... "Fortune 500 sized company" will be relevant for consumer pc sales! because majority of their sales are to hipsters and show offs nowadays... if you are really pro/scientist, get a £1000 pc and turn it into a hackintosh within a few hours, make it a £5000 mac beater! soon you will see macs will start using amd cpus too, which will make them a much more generic brand than they are now, but because it will have the apple logo it will be the new magic machine that is so not a regular pc! only reason why you call hackintoshes unreliable is only due to apple using certain chips/tricks to stop people using mac os in non magic computers that are not apple branded! no other reasons... 90+% of their stuff are third party parts that you can actually buy off the shelf from pc parts stores anywhere local/online!"Obviously they don’t know what they are doing and only chose the setup they have because they felt like wasting money....... Or perhaps, just perhaps they know what they are doing, it is their job after all." thats you saying it all, for me, i can put together a hackintosh that will run fine for your science club without hick up, for 1/4-1/5th of apple equivalent... but cant do so commercially due to obvious reasons... and apple doesnt want any company to run mac os, for obvious $$$£££ reasons... not because apple makes great hardware they dont! they just use off the shelf parts, for now... in mobile market, they are making their own cpu with licensed arm model, but if they switch on that arm cpus to macs, they may be relevant again but that is to be seen until their performance figures comes out that if it ever materializes!...


Ok, amaze me. Find a direct equivalent to the new Mac Pro from Dell, or whomever you wish. Then price it up.

I think you’ll be very surprised at just how well priced those machines are!

Hackintosh, in a corporate environment. What planet are you on. The team have these machines running pretty much 24/7 365 days a year. They don’t have time to mess around with dodgy software work arounds a etc!

The iMac Pro and Mac Pro are designed for that small niche of professionals who need the power they provide.

The average consumer doesn’t care if their computer has an Intel Core i5 instead of a Core i7, they just want it to work and work well. Out of the box the consumers Macs do just that, and millions of customers are very happy.

Can you buy a traditional PC cheaper? Of course you can. Can you build one even cheaper than buying one off the shelf, of course you can.

But that’s not really the point. I ran my previous MacBook Pro for 8 years before deciding to upgrade. I got £270 on Gumtree for it, and my initial buy in was £999.

The third extra I spent on buying the computer I got back when I sold it. I could have saved that £270 up front and just bought a Dell or something, but then I’d have had to use a crappy trackpad, plastic case, Windows 8, etc. Instead I got the Rolls Royce MacBook with the metal casing, wonderful trackpad, light up keyboard, etc, and my operating system of choice.

For me it’s a no brainer. I could buy a PC laptop or build an ugly hackintosh, but as I won’t save much, if any, money in the long run what’s the point.
david_robinson9412/02/2020 07:30

Ok, amaze me. Find a direct equivalent to the new Mac Pro from Dell, or …Ok, amaze me. Find a direct equivalent to the new Mac Pro from Dell, or whomever you wish. Then price it up.I think you’ll be very surprised at just how well priced those machines are!Hackintosh, in a corporate environment. What planet are you on. The team have these machines running pretty much 24/7 365 days a year. They don’t have time to mess around with dodgy software work arounds a etc!The iMac Pro and Mac Pro are designed for that small niche of professionals who need the power they provide.The average consumer doesn’t care if their computer has an Intel Core i5 instead of a Core i7, they just want it to work and work well. Out of the box the consumers Macs do just that, and millions of customers are very happy.Can you buy a traditional PC cheaper? Of course you can. Can you build one even cheaper than buying one off the shelf, of course you can. But that’s not really the point. I ran my previous MacBook Pro for 8 years before deciding to upgrade. I got £270 on Gumtree for it, and my initial buy in was £999.The third extra I spent on buying the computer I got back when I sold it. I could have saved that £270 up front and just bought a Dell or something, but then I’d have had to use a crappy trackpad, plastic case, Windows 8, etc. Instead I got the Rolls Royce MacBook with the metal casing, wonderful trackpad, light up keyboard, etc, and my operating system of choice.For me it’s a no brainer. I could buy a PC laptop or build an ugly hackintosh, but as I won’t save much, if any, money in the long run what’s the point.


laptop
dell precision 7540 series (workstation class) top of the line base model with i9 8 core, 16gb ram 512nvme and quadro 4gb comes out to £1900
macbook pro 16 with i7 6c same ram same ssd starts at £2400 mind you this has lower spec cpu, identical cpu model starts at £2800!

imac pro range is new so not an exact like for like, but hp had z1 series with close enough specs at £2500 tags and dell had precision 5720 series around 1800 starting point...
no current imac pro comparable workstation models at moment so cant tell like for like...

desktop/tower (workstation)
hp z8: xeon 8 core, 64gb ram, +8gb quadro, 1tb ssd starts at £3384
dell precision 7920 same/similar spec below, specced at £3560
mac pro: xeon 8 core, 32gb ram, 8gb rad pro, 256gb ssd starts at £5500
and there are third party custom brands that will get same specs to mac pro less than half! go figure

if you go for full rack/server specs...
lest say hp dl385, spec with 2x 24c epyc cpu, 64gb ram, 8gb radeon pro, 1tb samsung nvme pro, will come around £3500-4000 depending on the supplier you purchase from and they all come with 3yrs on site warranty incl... apple u you know u have to purchase it yourself...
moreover there are cheaper brands too! also if your science team is really good and have no budget constraints, why dont they spec it themselves? at apple's price point you can custom build 2x32core machine with much higher ram and better ssd and gfx card?

not all pros have unlimited budget and/or free time to finish project at their own will... i wont name the studio but here is a hint a current blockbuster movie made using amd epyc speced servers and they got 5x time saving during project which translated to quick effects/results which allowed people to go home on time and finish projects early...

of course your science team maybe has certain specific requirements/limitations regarding hardware and software choices due to the projects and again software to run it...

and you are wrong, macs are not 24/7 365 smooth rides either... when things go wrong they go very wrong very quickly and cost arms and legs replace! i do this professionally long enough so i m not gonna further discuss why apple is way overpriced with you anymore because you are not getting it, my point is apple charges way too much for what you are getting due to eye candy design, i ve no qualm about quality, but your point about win/linux machines being too generic and unstable is unfounded, non apple branded machines/os are good, your point about stability comes from third party softwares... which apple itself suffers too! also your point about dodgy software? you mean mac os? or drivers/loaders that prevent you running mac os on non magic hardware? come on, have you done a hackintosh yourself nor used one? all you have to be careful about is apple's updates that reinstate third party blocks! they just run like normal macs to... anyway as i said i see no need to discuss with you further since you are stuck with apple being too stable for your projects and priced ok (for you) so you are happy with what you have no need for me to burst your buble...
mysticus12/02/2020 21:21

laptopdell precision 7540 series (workstation class) top of the line base …laptopdell precision 7540 series (workstation class) top of the line base model with i9 8 core, 16gb ram 512nvme and quadro 4gb comes out to £1900 macbook pro 16 with i7 6c same ram same ssd starts at £2400 mind you this has lower spec cpu, identical cpu model starts at £2800!imac pro range is new so not an exact like for like, but hp had z1 series with close enough specs at £2500 tags and dell had precision 5720 series around 1800 starting point...no current imac pro comparable workstation models at moment so cant tell like for like...desktop/tower (workstation)hp z8: xeon 8 core, 64gb ram, +8gb quadro, 1tb ssd starts at £3384dell precision 7920 same/similar spec below, specced at £3560mac pro: xeon 8 core, 32gb ram, 8gb rad pro, 256gb ssd starts at £5500and there are third party custom brands that will get same specs to mac pro less than half! go figureif you go for full rack/server specs...lest say hp dl385, spec with 2x 24c epyc cpu, 64gb ram, 8gb radeon pro, 1tb samsung nvme pro, will come around £3500-4000 depending on the supplier you purchase from and they all come with 3yrs on site warranty incl... apple u you know u have to purchase it yourself... moreover there are cheaper brands too! also if your science team is really good and have no budget constraints, why dont they spec it themselves? at apple's price point you can custom build 2x32core machine with much higher ram and better ssd and gfx card?not all pros have unlimited budget and/or free time to finish project at their own will... i wont name the studio but here is a hint a current blockbuster movie made using amd epyc speced servers and they got 5x time saving during project which translated to quick effects/results which allowed people to go home on time and finish projects early...of course your science team maybe has certain specific requirements/limitations regarding hardware and software choices due to the projects and again software to run it...and you are wrong, macs are not 24/7 365 smooth rides either... when things go wrong they go very wrong very quickly and cost arms and legs replace! i do this professionally long enough so i m not gonna further discuss why apple is way overpriced with you anymore because you are not getting it, my point is apple charges way too much for what you are getting due to eye candy design, i ve no qualm about quality, but your point about win/linux machines being too generic and unstable is unfounded, non apple branded machines/os are good, your point about stability comes from third party softwares... which apple itself suffers too! also your point about dodgy software? you mean mac os? or drivers/loaders that prevent you running mac os on non magic hardware? come on, have you done a hackintosh yourself nor used one? all you have to be careful about is apple's updates that reinstate third party blocks! they just run like normal macs to... anyway as i said i see no need to discuss with you further since you are stuck with apple being too stable for your projects and priced ok (for you) so you are happy with what you have no need for me to burst your buble...


Sorry for the delayed response, have been rather busy of late.

I’ve no doubt the Dell notebook you linked is faster than the MacBook Pro, it’s also far bigger, thicker and heavier which makes it a lot easier to fit in the goodies that it has. Price wise I’d concur you get more power for your money there, but not really a fair comparison based on the dimensions.

The workstation you link is a great deal, it’s also using the previous generation Xeon CPU’s and has a much slower SSD.

I think you and I look at things from a different perspective, in effect neither of us are “wrong” we just have different priorities and see “value” in different areas.

On a personal level I want something that just works out of the box. Being heavily invested in the Apple Ecosystem everything talks to each other and I don’t have to mess around with multiples apps from different vendors who all want to sell my data.

I care about aesthetics, and much prefer the premium materials and design, yes I am aware that I pay for this, but I’d rather have less “stuff” but for what I do have to be of good quality. It’s why I use Bowers & Wilkins headphones. I don’t doubt that there are headphones out there that are louder or have more features. But I prefer the premium materials such as the calf skin leather on my ears.

Where you see needless expense for something that I could build myself for less I see a beautifully designed product that feels that someone cared about the look and feel. Apple is not perfect and I feel that with the previous generation MacBook Pro keyboards they strayed into the realm of form over function and am pleased to see them altering course with the new 16” MacBook Pro.

I’m a reasonably technical person, on occasion I’ll build a PC for someone else and enjoy staying up to date with the latest technology. But I’m in a different place to the young and broke geek I was 20 years ago. I have a reasonable salary and would rather spend my time with the wife and kids then building a custom rig or messing around with software patches.

To each their own, you’ll not be able to change me and I’ll not be able to change you, but perhaps one day we’ll meet by accident and share a couple of beers.
david_robinson9414/02/2020 10:25

Sorry for the delayed response, have been rather busy of late.I’ve no d …Sorry for the delayed response, have been rather busy of late.I’ve no doubt the Dell notebook you linked is faster than the MacBook Pro, it’s also far bigger, thicker and heavier which makes it a lot easier to fit in the goodies that it has. Price wise I’d concur you get more power for your money there, but not really a fair comparison based on the dimensions.The workstation you link is a great deal, it’s also using the previous generation Xeon CPU’s and has a much slower SSD.I think you and I look at things from a different perspective, in effect neither of us are “wrong” we just have different priorities and see “value” in different areas.On a personal level I want something that just works out of the box. Being heavily invested in the Apple Ecosystem everything talks to each other and I don’t have to mess around with multiples apps from different vendors who all want to sell my data.I care about aesthetics, and much prefer the premium materials and design, yes I am aware that I pay for this, but I’d rather have less “stuff” but for what I do have to be of good quality. It’s why I use Bowers & Wilkins headphones. I don’t doubt that there are headphones out there that are louder or have more features. But I prefer the premium materials such as the calf skin leather on my ears.Where you see needless expense for something that I could build myself for less I see a beautifully designed product that feels that someone cared about the look and feel. Apple is not perfect and I feel that with the previous generation MacBook Pro keyboards they strayed into the realm of form over function and am pleased to see them altering course with the new 16” MacBook Pro.I’m a reasonably technical person, on occasion I’ll build a PC for someone else and enjoy staying up to date with the latest technology. But I’m in a different place to the young and broke geek I was 20 years ago. I have a reasonable salary and would rather spend my time with the wife and kids then building a custom rig or messing around with software patches.To each their own, you’ll not be able to change me and I’ll not be able to change you, but perhaps one day we’ll meet by accident and share a couple of beers.


i been doing this job for over 20 years now, and this is my job, i ve to know ins and outs and stay up to date... for me apple has became more of a fashion brand and status item... i know people in design have to stick to certain apple products due to companies they work for and requirements of the tools... but apple is definitely over priced and it is their brand they can name the price, but people justifying the price based on design rather than function gets me really... because i have seen enough people buying mac for the sake of the name and buying it for their primary school kids too... 99% of the time people in my experience are buying for the status/brand not function...
macs' thin design features cause a lot more headache in the long run if you are doing serious work but as i said if you re happy and have to use it, you ll use it no matter what anyone says... i d much rather get a lenovo thinkpad than a macbook because a, it will work like a machine it is supposed to b without worrying bumps and liquids and drops, not like a fashion model fragile beauty that will be blown in the first wind... when things go wrong which when i usually invoice to fix, clients dont like what they see/hear... well... and i have seen soo many pro macs gone bust usually thanx to thinness and inadequate cooling space/materials due to design flaw! and apple usually admit these long after people got rid of the broken machines in the bins or paid hefty prices to fix them... but dont take it from me... you are the end user and your experience/mileage of course varies...
i m not trying to change you, like you, i m only pointing my opinions/experience and doing a civilized discussion...
i always tell my customers/clients my opinion and they decide... which they usually go apple brand despite saying for example a £700-800 laptop with i7/16gb ram/512gb nvme ssd/discreet gfx/ expensive machine, they go get a £2000 macbook with similar specs or lesser mac pro 13! and all they do is check email do a few spreadsheet...
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